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"Transition Zone" |
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21 Jul 2007 09:21:53 AM |
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MAGIC army vehicle fails ... |
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
Troops in Iraq get safer vehicle
Will withstand blasts better than Humvees
By Tom Vanden Brook
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon will phase out its armored Humvees in Iraq
and Afghanistan and send in vehicles that better withstand roadside
bomb blasts, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday.
Replacing the Humvee, the military's main troop-transport vehicle,
will be the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle, known as an MRAP.
Military officials say the new vehicles provide twice as much
protection against improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which cause
70% of all U.S. casualties in Iraq.
Armored Humvees were "the best we had," Gates said. "Now we have
something better, and we're going to get that to the field as best we
can."
No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19. Last week, two Army soldiers
were killed when a bomb struck their MRAP in Iraq.
Humvees have had a tortured history since the Iraq war started in
March 2003. Few had armor in the early months of the war, but the rise
of IEDs led troops to add their own armor. Then Congress pushed the
Pentagon to buy armor kits and new, fully armored Humvees. The added
armor, though, made it more likely for the Humvee to roll over, and
its heavier doors trapped troops inside after attacks or accidents.
Getting the MRAPs is "the highest priority Department of Defense
acquisition program," Gates said in a memo last week to the
secretaries of the Army and Navy. In that memo, first reported
Wednesday by InsideDefense.com, Gates said he was concerned the
Marines has ordered 3,700 of the vehicles, while the Army only sought
2,500. The Army has about 100,000 troops in Iraq; the Marines have
25,000.
Gates and other Pentagon officials plan to meet Friday to determine
how many more vehicles the military will buy. "My understanding ... is
that the Army has been recalibrating its interest and has
substantially increased the number of these vehicles they think they
can use," Gates said.
The new vehicles feature a V-shaped hull that disperses explosions
below. All services have ordered a total of 7,700 MRAPs for $8 billion
over the next 18 months, but Gates indicated the Pentagon could buy
many more.
The Army now has 18,000 armored Humvees in Iraq. It originally planned
to spend another $2.5 billion this year to buy more, Army budget
records show.
Army spokesman Paul Boyce said Wednesday that the service has 1,100
mine-protected vehicles in Iraq. The MRAP won't completely replace the
Humvee in Iraq or future conflicts, he said.
Gates said production capacity is "nowhere near what it needs to be to
meet the demand on the part of either the Army or the Marine Corps."
In January, the Marines awarded testing and development contracts for
the MRAP to nine different defense contractors. A Marine contract for
1,000 MRAPs awarded last month indicated the order would be completed
by May 2008.
It's about time the Pentagon changed to the MRAP, said Sen. Joseph
Biden, D-Del., who has advocated buying more of the vehicles. "I am
glad they finally get it," he said.
Gates said Wednesday he learned of the Marines' success with the
vehicles from a newspaper article he did not identify. "That certainly
got my attention."
It also indicates that future U.S. adversaries will mimic the
insurgents' use of IEDs, which "have now been recognized as a national
Achilles' heel," said Michael O'Hanlon, an analyst at the Brookings
Institution. "If you're the military, you'd better fix it."
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The pro-invasion media's much touted fabulous Cougar MRAP military so-
called mine resistant vehicle has failed.
The invasion has failed. There is now NO defense for people who invade
other people's countries.
The US must now leave that region.
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| User: "GatherNoMoss" |
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21 Jul 2007 09:32:17 AM |
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This will no doubt save lives.
And if we get all these welfare frauds and deadweights off the public
trough...maybe we can afford to get our soldiers even better
equipment.
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| User: "-the HoSt-" |
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| Title: Re: MAGIC army vehicle fails ... |
21 Jul 2007 04:42:27 PM |
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"GatherNoMoss" <saints2060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185028337.385390.192240@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
This will no doubt save lives.
And if we get all these welfare frauds and deadweights off the public
trough...maybe we can afford to get our soldiers even better
equipment.
We'll start with you and all of the Deadbeat corporations receiving
corporate welfare...
H.
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| User: "Transition Zone" |
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21 Jul 2007 09:46:24 AM |
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On Jul 21, 10:32 am, GatherNoMoss <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
This will no doubt save lives.
You're a good reader.
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
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| User: "mee too" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:16:31 PM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185029184.234673.291830@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 10:32 am, GatherNoMoss <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
This will no doubt save lives.
You're a good reader.
he is a good reader,
"No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19"
It is you who does not comprehend the article you chose to support your
incorrect notion and subject line.
You are dismissed!
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
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| User: "JHR" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:40:40 PM |
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"mee too" <shelly@downlow.net> wrote in message
news:34soi.2292$ib7.1674@trnddc02...
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185029184.234673.291830@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 10:32 am, GatherNoMoss <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
This will no doubt save lives.
You're a good reader.
he is a good reader,
"No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19"
It is you who does not comprehend the article you chose to support your
incorrect notion and subject line.
You are dismissed!
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
"No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19. Last week, two Army soldiers were
killed when a bomb struck their MRAP in Iraq."
So why did they choose to go to war without adequate protection for the
troops?
Oh yeah, that's right...
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was quoted as saying:
"As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you
might want or wish to have at a later time."
And of course, we all know who said this:
"We're gonna smoke 'em out, then git 'em runnin."
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2007 09:03:55 PM |
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On Jul 21, 2:40 pm, "JHR" <BadEnergyPol...@USA.com> wrote:
"mee too" <she...@downlow.net> wrote in message
news:34soi.2292$ib7.1674@trnddc02...
"Transition Zone" <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185029184.234673.291830@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 10:32 am, GatherNoMoss <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
This will no doubt save lives.
You're a good reader.
he is a good reader,
"No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19"
It is you who does not comprehend the article you chose to support your
incorrect notion and subject line.
You are dismissed!
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
"No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19. Last week, two Army soldiers were
killed when a bomb struck their MRAP in Iraq."
So why did they choose to go to war without adequate protection for the
troops?
Oh yeah, that's right...
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was quoted as saying:
"As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you
might want or wish to have at a later time."
We know. That's why we also invented PCs, laser jets,
reactive armour, smart bombs, and magi-phones.
Since you also go to war with the Secretary of Defense you have,
rather than the one you want or wish to have at a later time.
And of course, we all know who said this:
"We're gonna smoke 'em out, then git 'em runnin."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: MAGIC army vehicle fails ... |
03 Sep 2007 06:02:51 PM |
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On Jul 21, 10:21 am, Transition Zone <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
Troops in Iraq get safer vehicle
Will withstand blasts better than Humvees
By Tom Vanden Brook
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon will phase out its armored Humvees in Iraq
and Afghanistan and send in vehicles that better withstand roadside
bomb blasts, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday.
Replacing the Humvee, the military's main troop-transport vehicle,
will be the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle, known as an MRAP.
Military officials say the new vehicles provide twice as much
protection against improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which cause
70% of all U.S. casualties in Iraq.
Armored Humvees were "the best we had," Gates said. "Now we have
something better, and we're going to get that to the field as best we
can."
No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19. Last week, two Army soldiers
were killed when a bomb struck their MRAP in Iraq.
Humvees have had a tortured history since the Iraq war started in
March 2003. Few had armor in the early months of the war, but the rise
of IEDs led troops to add their own armor. Then Congress pushed the
Pentagon to buy armor kits and new, fully armored Humvees. The added
armor, though, made it more likely for the Humvee to roll over, and
its heavier doors trapped troops inside after attacks or accidents.
Getting the MRAPs is "the highest priority Department of Defense
acquisition program," Gates said in a memo last week to the
secretaries of the Army and Navy. In that memo, first reported
Wednesday by InsideDefense.com, Gates said he was concerned the
Marines has ordered 3,700 of the vehicles, while the Army only sought
2,500. The Army has about 100,000 troops in Iraq; the Marines have
25,000.
That's simple to understand why.
Since the army primarily excels at procuring oil rigs and C-4,
rather than vehicles.
Gates and other Pentagon officials plan to meet Friday to determine
how many more vehicles the military will buy. "My understanding ... is
that the Army has been recalibrating its interest and has
substantially increased the number of these vehicles they think they
can use," Gates said.
The new vehicles feature a V-shaped hull that disperses explosions
below. All services have ordered a total of 7,700 MRAPs for $8 billion
over the next 18 months, but Gates indicated the Pentagon could buy
many more.
The Army now has 18,000 armored Humvees in Iraq. It originally planned
to spend another $2.5 billion this year to buy more, Army budget
records show.
Army spokesman Paul Boyce said Wednesday that the service has 1,100
mine-protected vehicles in Iraq. The MRAP won't completely replace the
Humvee in Iraq or future conflicts, he said.
Gates said production capacity is "nowhere near what it needs to be to
meet the demand on the part of either the Army or the Marine Corps."
In January, the Marines awarded testing and development contracts for
the MRAP to nine different defense contractors. A Marine contract for
1,000 MRAPs awarded last month indicated the order would be completed
by May 2008.
It's about time the Pentagon changed to the MRAP, said Sen. Joseph
Biden, D-Del., who has advocated buying more of the vehicles. "I am
glad they finally get it," he said.
Gates said Wednesday he learned of the Marines' success with the
vehicles from a newspaper article he did not identify. "That certainly
got my attention."
It also indicates that future U.S. adversaries will mimic the
insurgents' use of IEDs, which "have now been recognized as a national
Achilles' heel," said Michael O'Hanlon, an analyst at the Brookings
Institution. "If you're the military, you'd better fix it."
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http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20070510/1a_lede10_dom.art.htm
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The pro-invasion media's much touted fabulous Cougar MRAP military so-
called mine resistant vehicle has failed.
The invasion has failed. There is now NO defense for people who invade
other people's countries.
The US must now leave that region.
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| User: "Scotius Ponti Fickatur" |
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03 Sep 2007 05:35:43 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:21:53 -0700, Transition Zone
<mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote:
-- "Last week [May], two Army soldiers were killed when a bomb struck
their MRAP in Iraq."
Troops in Iraq get safer vehicle
Will withstand blasts better than Humvees
By Tom Vanden Brook
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon will phase out its armored Humvees in Iraq
and Afghanistan and send in vehicles that better withstand roadside
bomb blasts, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday.
Replacing the Humvee, the military's main troop-transport vehicle,
will be the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle, known as an MRAP.
Military officials say the new vehicles provide twice as much
protection against improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which cause
70% of all U.S. casualties in Iraq.
Armored Humvees were "the best we had," Gates said. "Now we have
something better, and we're going to get that to the field as best we
can."
No Marines had been killed in the 300 attacks on Marine MRAPs in Anbar
province, USA TODAY reported on April 19. Last week, two Army soldiers
were killed when a bomb struck their MRAP in Iraq.
Humvees have had a tortured history since the Iraq war started in
March 2003. Few had armor in the early months of the war, but the rise
of IEDs led troops to add their own armor. Then Congress pushed the
Pentagon to buy armor kits and new, fully armored Humvees. The added
armor, though, made it more likely for the Humvee to roll over, and
its heavier doors trapped troops inside after attacks or accidents.
Getting the MRAPs is "the highest priority Department of Defense
acquisition program," Gates said in a memo last week to the
secretaries of the Army and Navy. In that memo, first reported
Wednesday by InsideDefense.com, Gates said he was concerned the
Marines has ordered 3,700 of the vehicles, while the Army only sought
2,500. The Army has about 100,000 troops in Iraq; the Marines have
25,000.
Gates and other Pentagon officials plan to meet Friday to determine
how many more vehicles the military will buy. "My understanding ... is
that the Army has been recalibrating its interest and has
substantially increased the number of these vehicles they think they
can use," Gates said.
The new vehicles feature a V-shaped hull that disperses explosions
below. All services have ordered a total of 7,700 MRAPs for $8 billion
over the next 18 months, but Gates indicated the Pentagon could buy
many more.
The Army now has 18,000 armored Humvees in Iraq. It originally planned
to spend another $2.5 billion this year to buy more, Army budget
records show.
Army spokesman Paul Boyce said Wednesday that the service has 1,100
mine-protected vehicles in Iraq. The MRAP won't completely replace the
Humvee in Iraq or future conflicts, he said.
Gates said production capacity is "nowhere near what it needs to be to
meet the demand on the part of either the Army or the Marine Corps."
In January, the Marines awarded testing and development contracts for
the MRAP to nine different defense contractors. A Marine contract for
1,000 MRAPs awarded last month indicated the order would be completed
by May 2008.
It's about time the Pentagon changed to the MRAP, said Sen. Joseph
Biden, D-Del., who has advocated buying more of the vehicles. "I am
glad they finally get it," he said.
Gates said Wednesday he learned of the Marines' success with the
vehicles from a newspaper article he did not identify. "That certainly
got my attention."
It also indicates that future U.S. adversaries will mimic the
insurgents' use of IEDs, which "have now been recognized as a national
Achilles' heel," said Michael O'Hanlon, an analyst at the Brookings
Institution. "If you're the military, you'd better fix it."
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http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20070510/1a_lede10_dom.art.htm
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The pro-invasion media's much touted fabulous Cougar MRAP military so-
called mine resistant vehicle has failed.
The invasion has failed. There is now NO defense for people who invade
other people's countries.
The US must now leave that region.
An MRAP having exploded does not mean the design is not good
or that the product is not a worthwhile one. If you set off an atom
bomb next to the toughest tank in the World, you still won't find any
part of it afterward. Just say that you think that if Bush is going to
have the equivalent of weapons at his disposal, you want them to be
rubber band guns that are only available to him in a locked room when
no one else is around. Ditto for Cheney, obviously.
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