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"Charles Farley" |
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30 Jul 2004 10:17:15 PM |
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Michael Moore Caught Faking Newspaper Headline in Film |
The Pantagraph
July 30, 2004
Pantagraph to Moore: Headline use 'misleading'
By Bill Flick
BLOOMINGTON -- The Pantagraph has a message for Michael Moore, creator
of the movie hit, "Fahrenheit 9/11":
If he wants to "edit" The Pantagraph, he should apply for a
copy-editing job and not simply show made-over and "falsely
represented" pages from the newspaper in his movie -- or he should at
least ask for permission first.
In a letter drafted Thursday and sent to Moore and the movie's Santa
Monica, Calif.-based distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment, the
newspaper admonished him for his "unauthorized ... misleading" use of
The Pantagraph in the film. He also was cited for copyright
infringement.
"While we are highly flattered to be included in the movie," said
Pantagraph President and Publisher Henry Bird, "we are a bit disturbed
that our pages were misrepresented."
Previous attempts to reach Moore through Lions Gate by phone and
e-mail were unsuccessful.
In a moment early in the movie, newspaper headlines from around
America that relate to the legally contested 2000 presidential
election flash across the screen. One of them is purported to be from
a Dec. 19, 2001, edition of The Pantagraph.
But a check of that day's newspaper revealed the large headline
prominently flashed in the movie -- "Latest Florida recount shows Gore
won election" -- never appeared in that edition.
Instead, the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition -- but not
as a news headline. It was in much smaller type above a letter to the
editor. Those headlines reflect only the opinions of the letter writer
and are not considered "factual" news stories.
The letter calls into question the ethics of how Moore made his movie,
a movie whose primary purpose is to call into question the ethics of
the Bush White House.
http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new_20040730034.shtml
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| User: "JJ" |
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30 Jul 2004 10:29:29 PM |
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Charles Farley wrote:
The Pantagraph
July 30, 2004
Pantagraph to Moore: Headline use 'misleading'
By Bill Flick
BLOOMINGTON -- The Pantagraph has a message for Michael Moore, creator
of the movie hit, "Fahrenheit 9/11":
If he wants to "edit" The Pantagraph, he should apply for a
copy-editing job and not simply show made-over and "falsely
represented" pages from the newspaper in his movie -- or he should at
least ask for permission first.
In a letter drafted Thursday and sent to Moore and the movie's Santa
Monica, Calif.-based distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment, the
newspaper admonished him for his "unauthorized ... misleading" use of
The Pantagraph in the film. He also was cited for copyright
infringement.
"While we are highly flattered to be included in the movie," said
Pantagraph President and Publisher Henry Bird, "we are a bit disturbed
that our pages were misrepresented."
Previous attempts to reach Moore through Lions Gate by phone and
e-mail were unsuccessful.
In a moment early in the movie, newspaper headlines from around
America that relate to the legally contested 2000 presidential
election flash across the screen. One of them is purported to be from
a Dec. 19, 2001, edition of The Pantagraph.
But a check of that day's newspaper revealed the large headline
prominently flashed in the movie -- "Latest Florida recount shows Gore
won election" -- never appeared in that edition.
Instead, the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition -- but not
as a news headline. It was in much smaller type above a letter to the
editor. Those headlines reflect only the opinions of the letter writer
and are not considered "factual" news stories.
The letter calls into question the ethics of how Moore made his movie,
a movie whose primary purpose is to call into question the ethics of
the Bush White House.
http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new_20040730034.shtml
It is amazing how the stupid buffoon can make a movie questioning Bush's
ethics, yet he is completely unethical in making the movie.
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| User: "hol99" |
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31 Jul 2004 01:02:01 AM |
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Michael Moore and Michael Savage are different ends of the same piece of
*****.
Dave
"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a12aa624.0407301917.4a11d9e5@posting.google.com...
The Pantagraph
July 30, 2004
Pantagraph to Moore: Headline use 'misleading'
By Bill Flick
BLOOMINGTON -- The Pantagraph has a message for Michael Moore, creator
of the movie hit, "Fahrenheit 9/11":
If he wants to "edit" The Pantagraph, he should apply for a
copy-editing job and not simply show made-over and "falsely
represented" pages from the newspaper in his movie -- or he should at
least ask for permission first.
In a letter drafted Thursday and sent to Moore and the movie's Santa
Monica, Calif.-based distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment, the
newspaper admonished him for his "unauthorized ... misleading" use of
The Pantagraph in the film. He also was cited for copyright
infringement.
"While we are highly flattered to be included in the movie," said
Pantagraph President and Publisher Henry Bird, "we are a bit disturbed
that our pages were misrepresented."
Previous attempts to reach Moore through Lions Gate by phone and
e-mail were unsuccessful.
In a moment early in the movie, newspaper headlines from around
America that relate to the legally contested 2000 presidential
election flash across the screen. One of them is purported to be from
a Dec. 19, 2001, edition of The Pantagraph.
But a check of that day's newspaper revealed the large headline
prominently flashed in the movie -- "Latest Florida recount shows Gore
won election" -- never appeared in that edition.
Instead, the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition -- but not
as a news headline. It was in much smaller type above a letter to the
editor. Those headlines reflect only the opinions of the letter writer
and are not considered "factual" news stories.
The letter calls into question the ethics of how Moore made his movie,
a movie whose primary purpose is to call into question the ethics of
the Bush White House.
http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new_20040730034.shtml
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| User: "Scotius" |
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10 Aug 2004 09:29:16 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2004 20:17:15 -0700, (Charles
Farley) wrote:
The Pantagraph
July 30, 2004
Pantagraph to Moore: Headline use 'misleading'
By Bill Flick
BLOOMINGTON -- The Pantagraph has a message for Michael Moore, creator
of the movie hit, "Fahrenheit 9/11":
If he wants to "edit" The Pantagraph, he should apply for a
copy-editing job and not simply show made-over and "falsely
represented" pages from the newspaper in his movie -- or he should at
least ask for permission first.
In a letter drafted Thursday and sent to Moore and the movie's Santa
Monica, Calif.-based distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment, the
newspaper admonished him for his "unauthorized ... misleading" use of
The Pantagraph in the film. He also was cited for copyright
infringement.
"While we are highly flattered to be included in the movie," said
Pantagraph President and Publisher Henry Bird, "we are a bit disturbed
that our pages were misrepresented."
Previous attempts to reach Moore through Lions Gate by phone and
e-mail were unsuccessful.
In a moment early in the movie, newspaper headlines from around
America that relate to the legally contested 2000 presidential
election flash across the screen. One of them is purported to be from
a Dec. 19, 2001, edition of The Pantagraph.
But a check of that day's newspaper revealed the large headline
prominently flashed in the movie -- "Latest Florida recount shows Gore
won election" -- never appeared in that edition.
Instead, the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition -- but not
as a news headline. It was in much smaller type above a letter to the
editor. Those headlines reflect only the opinions of the letter writer
and are not considered "factual" news stories.
The letter calls into question the ethics of how Moore made his movie,
a movie whose primary purpose is to call into question the ethics of
the Bush White House.
http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new_20040730034.shtml
I think Bush is a crook, and I think it's too bad this guy
can't make an honest movie so he doesn't end up getting discreditied
the few times he is right.
He was wrong in Bowling for Columbine, and lied heinously
throughout it, but in 9-11 he told a lot of truths that I think needed
telling. Like I said, too bad he can't play it straight.
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| User: "Matt" |
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11 Aug 2004 01:24:11 AM |
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Listen, I think Bush is an idiot, but why be an apologist for Moore?
Moore isn't doing ANYTHING in anyone's interest but his own. I'm sure there
are a lot of truths in the movie, but when they're surrounded by
mis-statements, innuendo, half-truths and outright lies, why does this film
get any credibility whatsoever?
I don't understand why liberals insist on picking and choosing facts and
making a complete story out of it to make their own case, but then when
defending themselves, accuse their attackers of taking things out of
context.
It's a double standard.
"Scotius" <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote in message
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On 30 Jul 2004 20:17:15 -0700, (Charles
Farley) wrote:
I think Bush is a crook, and I think it's too bad this guy
can't make an honest movie so he doesn't end up getting discreditied
the few times he is right.
He was wrong in Bowling for Columbine, and lied heinously
throughout it, but in 9-11 he told a lot of truths that I think needed
telling. Like I said, too bad he can't play it straight.
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| User: "Company Man" |
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11 Aug 2004 12:10:48 PM |
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Never, never, never, never forget the Dims gave MM the royal treatment at
the DNC.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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31 Jul 2004 05:26:00 AM |
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Pantagraph is just going for some cheap publicity on Michael's coat
tails and will probably launch a friviolous lawsuit - one of a type that
the Republicans want to block.
Further, there is no copyright infringement. The use of the material was
consistent with US laws - If it wasn't, Pentagraph would be in court
already.
As well, Pentagraph did print exactly what Michael showed on the film.
One can't blame the film for making Pantagraphs statement easier to read.
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| User: "phantom" |
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31 Jul 2004 10:22:35 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:26:00 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Pantagraph is just going for some cheap publicity on Michael's coat
tails and will probably launch a friviolous lawsuit - one of a type that
the Republicans want to block.
Further, there is no copyright infringement. The use of the material was
consistent with US laws - If it wasn't, Pentagraph would be in court
already.
As well, Pentagraph did print exactly what Michael showed on the film.
One can't blame the film for making Pantagraphs statement easier to read.
LOL. Listen to how these pieces of ***** still need to lie even after
the've been outted.
You'd be comical if you weren't so pathetic.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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31 Jul 2004 11:52:41 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:26:00 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Pantagraph is just going for some cheap publicity on Michael's coat
tails and will probably launch a friviolous lawsuit - one of a type that
the Republicans want to block.
Further, there is no copyright infringement. The use of the material was
consistent with US laws - If it wasn't, Pentagraph would be in court
already.
As well, Pentagraph did print exactly what Michael showed on the film.
One can't blame the film for making Pantagraphs statement easier to read.
You don't find trying to pass off a letter to the editor as a headline
and changing the date a little dishonest?
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'That ideological base (Kyoto) can be juxtaposed and compared with
man-hating totalitarian ideology with which we had the bad fortune to
deal during the 20th century, such as National Socialism, Marxism,
Eugenics, Lysenkoism and so on. All methods of distorting information
existing in the world have been committed to prove the alleged validity
of these theories. Misinformation, falsification, fabrication, mythology,
propaganda. Because what is offered cannot be qualified in any other way
than myth, nonsense and absurdity.' - Andrei Illarionov Russian Economist
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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01 Aug 2004 05:46:22 AM |
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You don't find trying to pass off a letter to the editor as a headline
and changing the date a little dishonest?
What are you talking about? Michael corectly quoted and attributed the
paper.
Have you given up on your claim that there is a copyright violation?
What, the Right-Wing hate machine couldn't make that one stick?
And as for trying to silence Michael, you folks have done a miserable
job. Are you finding the truth about Bush and the war hard to supress?
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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01 Aug 2004 01:51:32 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:46:22 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
You don't find trying to pass off a letter to the editor as a headline
and changing the date a little dishonest?
What are you talking about? Michael corectly quoted and attributed the
paper.
The date on the paper shown in F9/11 was dated in December 2000 while
the actual letter to the editor was in 2001.
Have you given up on your claim that there is a copyright violation?
What, the Right-Wing hate machine couldn't make that one stick?
And as for trying to silence Michael, you folks have done a miserable
job. Are you finding the truth about Bush and the war hard to supress?
My only claim is that Moore Tried to pass off a letter to the editor
as a major news headline and changed the date on the article. My claim
is that he's dishonest. The courts will decide on the copyright issue.
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'That ideological base (Kyoto) can be juxtaposed and compared with
man-hating totalitarian ideology with which we had the bad fortune to
deal during the 20th century, such as National Socialism, Marxism,
Eugenics, Lysenkoism and so on. All methods of distorting information
existing in the world have been committed to prove the alleged validity
of these theories. Misinformation, falsification, fabrication, mythology,
propaganda. Because what is offered cannot be qualified in any other way
than myth, nonsense and absurdity.' - Andrei Illarionov Russian Economist
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "PagCal" |
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02 Aug 2004 05:13:29 AM |
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Michael Dishonest ???
All I ask is that we hold Bush to the same standards as Michael.
For example, when Bush announced a (lie) in the SITU that Iraq was
trying to get Yellow-Cake from Africa, and then later when it was
disproved, blamed his advisors for the mis-statement (lie).
So, in the Right's eyes, Bush didn't actually lie.
Michael too, may have bad staffers, so your claim of dishonesty is
premature. For all we know, the paper in question might have
misrepresented the facts to Michael so they could get some publicity.
So, just like Bush, Michael didn't lie, nor, just like Bush, is Michael
dishonest.
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| User: "Charles Farley" |
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02 Aug 2004 10:23:59 PM |
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PagCal wrote:
All I ask is that we hold Bush to the same standards as Michael.
For example, when Bush announced a (lie) in the SITU that Iraq was
trying to get Yellow-Cake from Africa, and then later when it was
disproved, blamed his advisors for the mis-statement (lie).
Geez, every time you touch the keyboard, you embarrass
yourself further.
Here is what GWB said in his State of the Union address:
"The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s
that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development
program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five
different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British
government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought
significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence
sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength
aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam
Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly
has much to hide."
President Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
The July 14 2004 Butler report concluded:
We conclude that, on the basis of intelligence estimates at
the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of
Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from
Africa in the Government's dossier, and by the Prime Minister
in the House of Commons, were well founded. By extension, we
conclude also that the statement in President Bush's State of
the Union address of January 28, 2003 that "The British government
has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant
quantities of uranium from Africa" was well founded.
http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/
The 9-11 Commission report established that Saddam sought
uranium in Africa:
Associated Press
July 18, 2004
Reports bolster Bush Iraq-uranium claim
A Senate Intelligence Committee report ... cited various
reports, however, that Iraq had sought uranium in Africa.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5458642
See also:
Financial Times
June 27, 2004
Intelligence backs claim Iraq tried to buy uranium
By Mark Huband in Rome
Illicit sales of uranium from Niger were being negotiated with
five states including Iraq at least three years before the US-led
invasion, senior European intelligence officials have told the
Financial Times.
Intelligence officers learned between 1999 and 2001 that uranium
smugglers planned to sell illicitly mined Nigerian uranium ore, or
refined ore called yellow cake, to Iran, Libya, China, North Korea
and Iraq.
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1087373295002&p=1012571727085
Moore lies, lemmings swoon.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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03 Aug 2004 03:02:14 AM |
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Now that you bring it up, the second lie was that the Aluminum tubes
were being used in centrafuges, when in fact, they were for mlrs.
The third lie was that Sadam had mobile germ labs, when in fact, they
were sold to Iraq by Brittian.
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On and on, you try to refute Bush's lies, but you keep making the hole
deeper.
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| User: "The Prophet Bush" |
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17 Aug 2004 09:41:41 PM |
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In article <10guhk75bcgcuc4@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Now that you bring it up, the second lie was that the Aluminum tubes
were being used in centrafuges, when in fact, they were for mlrs.
The third lie was that Sadam had mobile germ labs, when in fact, they
were sold to Iraq by Brittian.
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On and on, you try to refute Bush's lies, but you keep making the hole
deeper.
How many moms and dads relied on this to bring their kids back
into the area after 9/11? It's disgusting. Yup, those are Bush
family values, little kids don't matter.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/23/MN300070.DTL
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04 Aug 2004 06:43:16 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:02:14 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Now that you bring it up, the second lie was that the Aluminum tubes
were being used in centrafuges, when in fact, they were for mlrs.
The third lie was that Sadam had mobile germ labs, when in fact, they
were sold to Iraq by Brittian.
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On and on, you try to refute Bush's lies, but you keep making the hole
deeper.
Here is what Bush has stated, word for word regarding Iraq lies :
Bush's statements, in chronological order :
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving
facilities that were used for the production
of biological weapons."
United Nations Address, Sept. 12, 2002
"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical
weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used
to make more of those weapons."
"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein
recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use
chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator
tells us he does not have."
Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002
"The Iraqi regime... possesses and produces chemical
and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."
"We know that the regime has produced thousands of
tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin
nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq
has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial
vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or
biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned
that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for
missions targeting the United States."
"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting
its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held
numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a
group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear
holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq
is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part
of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted
to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other
equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used
to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech, Oct. 7, 2002
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam
Hussein had the materials to produce as much as
500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments
leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to
possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons
ever devised."
Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003"
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| User: "Charles Farley" |
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03 Aug 2004 08:29:04 PM |
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PagCal wrote:
Now that you bring it up, the second lie was that the Aluminum tubes
were being used in centrafuges, when in fact, they were for mlrs.
How about John Edwards, was he lying?
When asked about "Axis of Evil" countries Iran, Iraq, and North Korea,
Senator Edwards said:
"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all
present serious problems for the United States -- they're
dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation
of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear
and present threat to our country is not the same from those three
countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to
our country."
Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
February 24, 2002
During an interview on CNN's "Late Edition"
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/24/le.00.html
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| User: "PagCal" |
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03 Aug 2004 09:46:25 PM |
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If he said it, did he mean those donkey carts Iraq cobbled together with
the rocket launchers on them?
But, Iran and N. Korea are developing nukes. Edwards isn't responsible
for dealing with them, and Bush is. What has Bush done? Why, nothing.
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| User: "User" |
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06 Aug 2004 10:58:37 AM |
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Israel already has nukes, and apparently doesn't mind the idea of using
them.
Mordechai Vannunu says they assassinated President Kennedy, and we know they
attacked the USS Liberty at the same time.
The communist Chinese have nukes and are ready to launch them. They seem
like right folks, except for periodic desires to crush Taiwan in
vengeance-death-fantasy.
India has nukes, and is overpopulated, and other than flagging US
outsourcing, has no future except overpopulation, starvation, and warfare
with Pakistan, who already has nukes.
North Korea is starving and possibly has nukes and possibly a delivery
system. Conceivably, they could lob one into South Korea so that they'd
receive international aid.
I hear we're very worried about Iran and Iraq, both 25+ years from having
nukes, having nukes.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fanatical Christian and Jewish
beliefs of America's leaders...
--
I wish that death to mankind comes so quickly that mankind will not have
time to destroy natures potential for future evolution.
- Pentti Linkola
Music writing:
http://www.*****.com/zine/music/
Political beliefs:
http://www.blackplague.org/holocaust/
Philosophy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas
http://tinyurl.com/6l2nk
http://www.*****.com/zine/philosophy/nihilism.html
We forfeit three-fourths of ourselves in order to be like other people.
- Arthur Schopenhauer
"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:10h0jg255e28u3a@corp.supernews.com...
If he said it, did he mean those donkey carts Iraq cobbled together with
the rocket launchers on them?
But, Iran and N. Korea are developing nukes. Edwards isn't responsible
for dealing with them, and Bush is. What has Bush done? Why, nothing.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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06 Aug 2004 01:58:11 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:58:37 GMT, "User" <user@email.domain> wrote:
Israel already has nukes, and apparently doesn't mind the idea of using
them.
What good is having Nukes if you lack the will to use them?
Mordechai Vannunu says they assassinated President Kennedy, and we know they
attacked the USS Liberty at the same time.
The communist Chinese have nukes and are ready to launch them. They seem
like right folks, except for periodic desires to crush Taiwan in
vengeance-death-fantasy.
India has nukes, and is overpopulated, and other than flagging US
outsourcing, has no future except overpopulation, starvation, and warfare
with Pakistan, who already has nukes.
North Korea is starving and possibly has nukes and possibly a delivery
system. Conceivably, they could lob one into South Korea so that they'd
receive international aid.
I hear we're very worried about Iran and Iraq, both 25+ years from having
nukes, having nukes.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fanatical Christian and Jewish
beliefs of America's leaders...
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'That ideological base (Kyoto) can be juxtaposed and compared with
man-hating totalitarian ideology with which we had the bad fortune to
deal during the 20th century, such as National Socialism, Marxism,
Eugenics, Lysenkoism and so on. All methods of distorting information
existing in the world have been committed to prove the alleged validity
of these theories. Misinformation, falsification, fabrication, mythology,
propaganda. Because what is offered cannot be qualified in any other way
than myth, nonsense and absurdity.' - Andrei Illarionov Russian Economist
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
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07 Aug 2004 05:13:54 AM |
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What good is having Nukes if you lack the will to use them?
The military actually doesn't want them on the battlefield. They dirty
up the place and make it dangerous for our own troops. As well, with
modern delivery systems, you can get conventional explosives to do the
job with one shot one kill.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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03 Aug 2004 05:45:32 AM |
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Usually, we look for a 'lie' in a politicians statements to look deeper
into their mental functioning. With Bush, we don't have to completely
rely on this tool however, as we have other means.
Please read the attached Capital Hill Blue piece on Bush's eratic
behavior. As you can see, he isn't at all mentally well.
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From Capitol Hill Blue
Bush Leagues
Bush Using Drugs to Control Depression, Erratic Behavior
By TERESA HAMPTON
Editor, Capitol Hill Blue
Jul 28, 2004, 08:09
President George W. Bush is taking powerful anti-depressant drugs to
control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue
has learned.
The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the White
House physician, can impair the President’s mental faculties and
decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to a
crisis, administration aides admit privately.
“It’s a double-edged sword,” says one aide. “We can’t have him flying
off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a President
who is alert mentally.”
Angry Bush walked away from reporter's questions. Tubb prescribed the
anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July 8,
refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with
indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay.
“Keep those motherfuckers away from me,” he screamed at an aide
backstage. “If you can’t, I’ll find someone who can.”
Bush’s mental stability has become the topic of Washington whispers in
recent months. Capitol Hill Blue first reported on June 4 about
increasing concern among White House aides over the President’s wide
mood swings and obscene outbursts.
Although GOP loyalists dismissed the reports an anti-Bush propaganda,
the reports were later confirmed by prominent George Washington
University psychiatrist Dr. Justin Frank in his book Bush on the Couch:
Inside the Mind of the President. Dr. Frank diagnosed the President as a
“paranoid meglomaniac” and “untreated alcoholic” whose “lifelong streak
of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode
frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over state executions and
pumping his hand gleefully before the bombing of Baghdad” showcase
Bush’s instabilities.
“I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything he
did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt he
was disturbed,” Dr. Frank said. “He fits the profile of a former drinker
whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated.”
Dr. Frank’s conclusions have been praised by other prominent
psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA Medical
Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at Stanford
University Medical School.
The doctors also worry about the wisdom of giving powerful
anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical dependency.
Bush is an admitted alcoholic, although he never sought treatment in a
formal program, and stories about his cocaine use as a younger man
haunted his campaigns for Texas governor and his first campaign for
President.
“President Bush is an untreated alcoholic with paranoid and megalomaniac
tendencies,” Dr. Frank adds.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on this article.
Although the exact drugs Bush takes to control his depression and
behavior are not known, White House sources say they are “powerful
medications” designed to bring his erratic actions under control. While
Col. Tubb regularly releases a synopsis of the President’s annual
physical, details of the President’s health and any drugs or treatment
he may receive are not public record and are guarded zealously by the
secretive cadre of aides that surround the President.
Veteran White House watchers say the ability to control information
about Bush’s health, either physical or mental, is similar to Ronald
Reagan’s second term when aides managed to conceal the President’s
increasing memory lapses that signaled the onslaught of Alzheimer’s Disease.
It also brings back memories of Richard Nixon’s final days when the
soon-to-resign President wandered the halls and talked to portraits of
former Presidents. The stories didn’t emerge until after Nixon left office.
One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked
not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional
candidates to keep their distance from Bush.
“We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the
United States is loony tunes,” he says sadly. “That’s not good for my
candidates, it’s not good for the party and it’s certainly not good for
the country.”
© Copyright 2004 Capitol Hill Blue
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03 Aug 2004 09:17:42 AM |
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Is there a reputable source for this story?
PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote in message news:<10gur6d9fsggi63@corp.supernews.com>...
Usually, we look for a 'lie' in a politicians statements to look deeper
into their mental functioning. With Bush, we don't have to completely
rely on this tool however, as we have other means.
Please read the attached Capital Hill Blue piece on Bush's eratic
behavior. As you can see, he isn't at all mentally well.
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From Capitol Hill Blue
Bush Leagues
Bush Using Drugs to Control Depression, Erratic Behavior
By TERESA HAMPTON
Editor, Capitol Hill Blue
Jul 28, 2004, 08:09
President George W. Bush is taking powerful anti-depressant drugs to
control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue
has learned.
The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the White
House physician, can impair the President’s mental faculties and
decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to a
crisis, administration aides admit privately.
“It’s a double-edged sword,” says one aide. “We can’t have him flying
off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a President
who is alert mentally.”
Angry Bush walked away from reporter's questions. Tubb prescribed the
anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July 8,
refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with
indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay.
“Keep those motherfuckers away from me,” he screamed at an aide
backstage. “If you can’t, I’ll find someone who can.”
Bush’s mental stability has become the topic of Washington whispers in
recent months. Capitol Hill Blue first reported on June 4 about
increasing concern among White House aides over the President’s wide
mood swings and obscene outbursts.
Although GOP loyalists dismissed the reports an anti-Bush propaganda,
the reports were later confirmed by prominent George Washington
University psychiatrist Dr. Justin Frank in his book Bush on the Couch:
Inside the Mind of the President. Dr. Frank diagnosed the President as a
“paranoid meglomaniac” and “untreated alcoholic” whose “lifelong streak
of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode
frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over state executions and
pumping his hand gleefully before the bombing of Baghdad” showcase
Bush’s instabilities.
“I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything he
did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt he
was disturbed,” Dr. Frank said. “He fits the profile of a former drinker
whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated.”
Dr. Frank’s conclusions have been praised by other prominent
psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA Medical
Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at Stanford
University Medical School.
The doctors also worry about the wisdom of giving powerful
anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical dependency.
Bush is an admitted alcoholic, although he never sought treatment in a
formal program, and stories about his cocaine use as a younger man
haunted his campaigns for Texas governor and his first campaign for
President.
“President Bush is an untreated alcoholic with paranoid and megalomaniac
tendencies,” Dr. Frank adds.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on this article.
Although the exact drugs Bush takes to control his depression and
behavior are not known, White House sources say they are “powerful
medications” designed to bring his erratic actions under control. While
Col. Tubb regularly releases a synopsis of the President’s annual
physical, details of the President’s health and any drugs or treatment
he may receive are not public record and are guarded zealously by the
secretive cadre of aides that surround the President.
Veteran White House watchers say the ability to control information
about Bush’s health, either physical or mental, is similar to Ronald
Reagan’s second term when aides managed to conceal the President’s
increasing memory lapses that signaled the onslaught of Alzheimer’s Disease.
It also brings back memories of Richard Nixon’s final days when the
soon-to-resign President wandered the halls and talked to portraits of
former Presidents. The stories didn’t emerge until after Nixon left office.
One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked
not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional
candidates to keep their distance from Bush.
“We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the
United States is loony tunes,” he says sadly. “That’s not good for my
candidates, it’s not good for the party and it’s certainly not good for
the country.”
© Copyright 2004 Capitol Hill Blue
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| User: "PagCal" |
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03 Aug 2004 09:53:01 AM |
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As it says in the article 'From Capitol Hill Blue' ?
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03 Aug 2004 09:59:11 AM |
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(PagCal) wrote in news:10gv9mdgkc1n801
@corp.supernews.com:
As it says in the article 'From Capitol Hill Blue' ?
By which you mean it's NOT from a reputable source, right?
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| User: "PagCal" |
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03 Aug 2004 11:05:14 AM |
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Did Bush storm off stage as mentioned in the article? Yes, and they've
got a pic of him doing it.
Bush could also deny he's taking SSRI's, but that'd be another lie.
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01 Aug 2004 09:55:42 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:46:22 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
You don't find trying to pass off a letter to the editor as a headline
and changing the date a little dishonest?
What are you talking about? Michael corectly quoted and attributed the
paper.
Have you given up on your claim that there is a copyright violation?
What, the Right-Wing hate machine couldn't make that one stick?
And as for trying to silence Michael, you folks have done a miserable
job. Are you finding the truth about Bush and the war hard to supress?
Please keep it up. YOU are the one looking like a horse's *****. Your
problem is that you're too dumb to realize it.
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31 Jul 2004 11:53:30 AM |
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PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
As well, Pentagraph did print exactly what Michael showed on the film.
One can't blame the film for making Pantagraphs statement easier to read.
Further proof that Moore lemmings are either absurdly stupid,
ignorant of the facts, willfully ignorant, or a combination
of all three.
It is a fabrication (i.e., a LIE) to represent a letter to the
editor as a news headline.
Fabricated headline as presented in Moore film:
http://67.19.19.67/images/uploads/pantagraph_f911.jpg
Actual headline as appeared in the newspaper:
http://67.19.19.67/images/uploads/pantagraph_sm.jpg
And if Moore wanted to publish some headlines about the 2000
election, he might have looked here:
The New York Times
November 12, 2001
Who Won Florida? The Answer Emerges, but Surely Not the Final Word
By RICHARD L. BERKE
WASHINGTON -- The comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida
ballots solidifies George W. Bush's legal claim on the White House
because it concludes that he would have won under the ground rules
prescribed by the Democrats.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0A12FA385C0C718DDDA80994D9404482
Or here:
The New York Times
November 12, 2001
Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER
A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last
year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have
won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide
manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered
to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have
charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr.
Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination
of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin
over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000
ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
http://query.nytimes.com/search/abstract?res=FA071FFA385C0C718DDDA80994D9404482
Moore lies, lemmings swoon.
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