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"Black Elk" |
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31 May 2006 08:26:47 PM |
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More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press Writer
Wed May 31, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces killed two Iraqi women - one of them about to
give birth - when the troops shot at a car that failed to stop at an
observation post in a city north of Baghdad, Iraqi officials and relatives
said Wednesday.
-snip-
Jassim's brother, who was wounded by broken glass, said he did not see any
warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Her husband was waiting for
her there.
-cont.-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_women_killed_7
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They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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| User: "Evil" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
31 May 2006 08:43:57 PM |
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Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press Writer
Wed May 31, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces killed two Iraqi women - one of them about to
give birth - when the troops shot at a car that failed to stop at an
observation post in a city north of Baghdad, Iraqi officials and relatives
said Wednesday.
-snip-
Jassim's brother, who was wounded by broken glass, said he did not see any
warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Her husband was waiting for
her there.
-cont.-
If this stuff is true these guys will get court martialed. This is an
aboration for US troops but SOP for the government they removed. If
the terrorists persuaded us to loose the war they will be free to do
this on a daily basis. Go look up the terror the troops found when
they liberated Faluja.
I know that those who want the US to loose are cheering. This may
persuade us to loose the war and this will happen more to innocent
people. It is OK for Non-white people to wipe each other out. It is
OK for Riwandians to kill each other bot not Bosnians.
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
31 May 2006 09:06:54 PM |
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"Evil" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149126237.038236.305150@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press Writer
Wed May 31, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces killed two Iraqi women - one of them about to
give birth - when the troops shot at a car that failed to stop at an
observation post in a city north of Baghdad, Iraqi officials and
relatives
said Wednesday.
-snip-
Jassim's brother, who was wounded by broken glass, said he did not see
any
warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Her husband was waiting
for
her there.
-cont.-
If this stuff is true these guys will get court martialed. This is an
aboration for US troops but SOP for the government they removed. If
the terrorists persuaded us to loose the war they will be free to do
this on a daily basis. Go look up the terror the troops found when
they liberated Faluja.
I know that those who want the US to loose are cheering. This may
persuade us to loose the war and this will happen more to innocent
people. It is OK for Non-white people to wipe each other out. It is
OK for Riwandians to kill each other bot not Bosnians.
There were no terrorists until Bush invaded and destroyed the country's
infrastructure and who knows how much the U.S. tells us about Fallujah is
misinformation to demonize their enemy.
The Bush cabal is guilty of invading a country based on warmongering and
lies and the killing of these two women are a direct result of it.
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They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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| User: "Evil" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
31 May 2006 10:10:37 PM |
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Black Elk wrote:
"Evil" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149126237.038236.305150@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press Writer
Wed May 31, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces killed two Iraqi women - one of them about to
give birth - when the troops shot at a car that failed to stop at an
observation post in a city north of Baghdad, Iraqi officials and
relatives
said Wednesday.
-snip-
Jassim's brother, who was wounded by broken glass, said he did not see
any
warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Her husband was waiting
for
her there.
-cont.-
If this stuff is true these guys will get court martialed. This is an
aboration for US troops but SOP for the government they removed. If
the terrorists persuaded us to loose the war they will be free to do
this on a daily basis. Go look up the terror the troops found when
they liberated Faluja.
I know that those who want the US to loose are cheering. This may
persuade us to loose the war and this will happen more to innocent
people. It is OK for Non-white people to wipe each other out. It is
OK for Riwandians to kill each other bot not Bosnians.
There were no terrorists until Bush invaded and destroyed the country's
infrastructure and who knows how much the U.S. tells us about Fallujah is
misinformation to demonize their enemy.
The Bush cabal is guilty of invading a country based on warmongering and
lies and the killing of these two women are a direct result of it.
So the mass graves and torture chaimbers are a hoax like the Holacost.
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
31 May 2006 10:26:07 PM |
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"Evil" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149131437.289871.199140@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Black Elk wrote:
"Evil" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149126237.038236.305150@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press Writer
Wed May 31, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces killed two Iraqi women - one of them about
to
give birth - when the troops shot at a car that failed to stop at an
observation post in a city north of Baghdad, Iraqi officials and
relatives
said Wednesday.
-snip-
Jassim's brother, who was wounded by broken glass, said he did not see
any
warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Her husband was
waiting
for
her there.
-cont.-
If this stuff is true these guys will get court martialed. This is an
aboration for US troops but SOP for the government they removed. If
the terrorists persuaded us to loose the war they will be free to do
this on a daily basis. Go look up the terror the troops found when
they liberated Faluja.
I know that those who want the US to loose are cheering. This may
persuade us to loose the war and this will happen more to innocent
people. It is OK for Non-white people to wipe each other out. It is
OK for Riwandians to kill each other bot not Bosnians.
There were no terrorists until Bush invaded and destroyed the country's
infrastructure and who knows how much the U.S. tells us about Fallujah is
misinformation to demonize their enemy.
The Bush cabal is guilty of invading a country based on warmongering and
lies and the killing of these two women are a direct result of it.
So the mass graves and torture chaimbers are a hoax like the Holacost.
Are you referring to Bush's mass graves or Saddam's? If you're referring to
Saddam's you might read up on your history and acknowledge that Bush's
political forefather's were Saddam's enablers.
On the other hand if you have any honesty you know that freeing Iraqis is
the Bush cabal's last lie before they go down in flames. It was about OIL,
nothing less, nothing more.
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| User: "Evil" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
01 Jun 2006 12:14:42 AM |
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Are you referring to Bush's mass graves or Saddam's? If you're referring to
Saddam's you might read up on your history and acknowledge that Bush's
political forefather's were Saddam's enablers.
I am not going to deny that we had some thing to do Saddam. People
from both parties supported unsavory characters durring the cold war in
the geopolitics of the cold war. Also with the events that recently
took place in Iran we wanted to contain the radical Islam of Iran.
On the other hand if you have any honesty you know that freeing Iraqis is
the Bush cabal's last lie before they go down in flames. It was about OIL,
nothing less, nothing more.
If we wanted oil wny not just lift the sanctions and buy oil from him?
Still it is realy a moot point now. In Dec 41 we were attacked by
Japan but put most of our effort in taking out Germany. If it is that
bad we should leave and put Saddam in power and deal with another
terrorist breading ground.
If it was all about oil why is the price going up? Oh, I think I saw a
consparicy somwhere that they took out Saddam because he was pumping
too much oil driving the price down. I bet you believe that Chavez and
invade Venezuela.
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| User: "David Raleigh Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
01 Jun 2006 04:03:29 AM |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her head.
Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more. In America
you get a ticket. In Iraq you get killed. Is someone saying it could
be different? It can't, as long as we're there. We shoot people at
checkpoints, or we leave. It's as simple as that.
Civilians, women and children who throw rocks at troops are going to
be shot dead. People who advocate throwing rocks at troops *ought*
to be shot dead, for sedition. What is this kind of idiot reporter
playing at? Why this *pseudo* humanitarian propaganda?
It is to *justify* our staying, because we are the "good guys".
And a majority are morons enough to believe that we can come out ahead or
break even. Actually, losing is the only option. daveA
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
01 Jun 2006 06:18:33 AM |
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"David Raleigh Arnold" <darnold4@cox.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.01.09.03.27.117596@cox.net...
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her head.
Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more.
She wasn't driving.
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| User: "Evil" |
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01 Jun 2006 08:28:10 AM |
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David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her head.
Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more. In America
you get a ticket. In Iraq you get killed. Is someone saying it could
be different? It can't, as long as we're there. We shoot people at
checkpoints, or we leave. It's as simple as that.
Civilians, women and children who throw rocks at troops are going to
be shot dead. People who advocate throwing rocks at troops *ought*
to be shot dead, for sedition. What is this kind of idiot reporter
playing at? Why this *pseudo* humanitarian propaganda?
It is to *justify* our staying, because we are the "good guys".
I get your sarcasm, but we are not justified when we kill people we are
not suppoded to. We are there to do a job and target certian people.
When we find militias killing we courtmartial those responsible. It is
not our mission to terrorize the people into submition, we could do
that it worked for Saddam Hussain.
And a majority are morons enough to believe that we can come out ahead or
break even. Actually, losing is the only option. daveA
The situation in Iraq is a difficult one. The people who fought there
tell me the new they see dosn't reflect their reality the experienced.
I have detected a pattern here. Bush has a not exactly a secular guy
and because of that has accumilated rage and hatred. This rage
translates in a loss for the US and those who fight to discredit Bush.
There is a great deal of killing in the country some is against us most
is against each other. Before we took back faluja the terrorist ruled.
It was not some islamic paradice. It was thugs reiging terror over
the people who lived there. Yes we do bad thing somtimes and when we
do we go after the people who do them, they don't get away with it.
The other side does bad stuff all the time and there is no
accountability.
Again I have spoken to the people that were there and it is not their
mission to kill people for no reason. Yes they somtimes do but often
it is situations where the terrorists are hiding behind civillians and
people's lives are at stake.
This is a war and public opinion is important in that struggle.
Creating this illusion that US troops just destroy and pillage is tool
of that war. We can only loose if convinced to do so. You are just
another peson demanding defeat.
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| User: "David Raleigh Arnold" |
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02 Jun 2006 08:34:27 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:28:10 -0700, Evil wrote:
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her head.
Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more. In America
you get a ticket. In Iraq you get killed. Is someone saying it could
be different? It can't, as long as we're there. We shoot people at
checkpoints, or we leave. It's as simple as that.
Civilians, women and children who throw rocks at troops are going to be
shot dead. People who advocate throwing rocks at troops *ought* to be
shot dead, for sedition. What is this kind of idiot reporter playing
at? Why this *pseudo* humanitarian propaganda?
It is to *justify* our staying, because we are the "good guys".
I get your sarcasm, but we are not justified when we kill people we are
not suppoded to. We are there to do a job and target certian people. When
we find militias killing we courtmartial those responsible. It is not our
mission to terrorize the people into submition,
Yes, it is. We are occupying that country, and it is our obligation
as occupiers to terrorize the people into submission by any means
necessary, and considerable turns out to be necessary.
The alternative and best option is to leave immediately.
We can only loose if convinced to do so. You are just another peson
demanding defeat.
It's over. There is *no* path to victory. daveA
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| User: "Evil" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
03 Jun 2006 07:00:43 PM |
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David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:28:10 -0700, Evil wrote:
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her head.
Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more. In America
you get a ticket. In Iraq you get killed. Is someone saying it could
be different? It can't, as long as we're there. We shoot people at
checkpoints, or we leave. It's as simple as that.
Civilians, women and children who throw rocks at troops are going to be
shot dead. People who advocate throwing rocks at troops *ought* to be
shot dead, for sedition. What is this kind of idiot reporter playing
at? Why this *pseudo* humanitarian propaganda?
It is to *justify* our staying, because we are the "good guys".
I get your sarcasm, but we are not justified when we kill people we are
not suppoded to. We are there to do a job and target certian people. When
we find militias killing we courtmartial those responsible. It is not our
mission to terrorize the people into submition,
Yes, it is. We are occupying that country, and it is our obligation
as occupiers to terrorize the people into submission by any means
necessary, and considerable turns out to be necessary.
You are being sarcastic?
The alternative and best option is to leave immediately.
Where do you come up with this choice? We don't terrorize as policy
which what those who we are fighting against. This is a war and people
do bad things in war. We have rules of engagment and proceedures for
combat. We have an objective and it is not the destruction of the
country.
War is politics by other means. We want the majority of people in Iraq
to set the adjenda in security. The theory is that democracies are
more peacful because war and conflict is against the intrests of most
people. This war dosn't affect most americans much and still there is
great deal off opposition.
We can only loose if convinced to do so. You are just another peson
demanding defeat.
It's over. There is *no* path to victory. daveA
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| User: "David Raleigh Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
05 Jun 2006 07:36:07 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:00:43 -0700, Evil wrote:
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:28:10 -0700, Evil wrote:
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her
head. Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more. In
America you get a ticket. In Iraq you get killed. Is someone saying
it could be different? It can't, as long as we're there. We shoot
people at checkpoints, or we leave. It's as simple as that.
Civilians, women and children who throw rocks at troops are going to
be shot dead. People who advocate throwing rocks at troops *ought*
to be shot dead, for sedition. What is this kind of idiot reporter
playing at? Why this *pseudo* humanitarian propaganda?
It is to *justify* our staying, because we are the "good guys".
I get your sarcasm, but we are not justified when we kill people we
are not suppoded to. We are there to do a job and target certian
people. When we find militias killing we courtmartial those
responsible. It is not our mission to terrorize the people into
submition,
Yes, it is. We are occupying that country, and it is our obligation as
occupiers to terrorize the people into submission by any means
necessary, and considerable turns out to be necessary.
You are being sarcastic?
The alternative and best option is to leave immediately.
Where do you come up with this choice? We don't terrorize as policy which
what those who we are fighting against. This is a war and people do bad
things in war. We have rules of engagment and proceedures for combat.
We have mickey mouse nonsense, and everyone knows it.
We
have an objective and it is not the destruction of the country.
You don't know your history. Genghis Khan spared the inhabitants of
Bagdad when the city submitted to his rule. They soon mounted an
insurgency, and Genghis Khan killed them all. All.
The Iraqis do not respect us. How could they? It is necessary
to be respected or be gone. Whatever works. You have been lied to.
Staying and being loved is not an option or possibility. We have not
governed Iraq responsibly the way an occupier is obligated to do. We
are not up to doing what must be done to stay, which is to kill all
opposers until the opposition stops. We must leave *now*. We have
lost in Afghanistan too. daveA
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| User: "David Raleigh Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: More Bush/GOP collateral damage |
05 Jun 2006 03:02:10 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:15:12 -0700, Evil wrote:
Sid9 wrote:
Evil wrote:
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:28:10 -0700, Evil wrote:
David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:26:47 -0600, Black Elk wrote:
U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
Her peripheral vision wan no doubt hampered by the garment on her
head. Too bad. Tough. Maybe she should have looked around more.
In America you get a ticket. In Iraq you get killed. Is someone
saying it could be different? It can't, as long as we're there. We
shoot people at checkpoints, or we leave. It's as simple as that.
Civilians, women and children who throw rocks at troops are going
to be shot dead. People who advocate throwing rocks at troops
*ought* to be shot dead, for sedition. What is this kind of idiot
reporter playing at? Why this *pseudo* humanitarian propaganda?
It is to *justify* our staying, because we are the "good guys".
I get your sarcasm, but we are not justified when we kill people we
are not suppoded to. We are there to do a job and target certian
people. When we find militias killing we courtmartial those
responsible. It is not our mission to terrorize the people into
submition,
Yes, it is. We are occupying that country, and it is our obligation
as occupiers to terrorize the people into submission by any means
necessary, and considerable turns out to be necessary.
You are being sarcastic?
The alternative and best option is to leave immediately.
Where do you come up with this choice? We don't terrorize as policy
which what those who we are fighting against. This is a war and
people do bad things in war. We have rules of engagment and
proceedures for combat. We have an objective and it is not the
destruction of the country.
War is politics by other means. We want the majority of people in
Iraq to set the adjenda in security. The theory is that democracies
are more peacful because war and conflict is against the intrests of
most people. This war dosn't affect most americans much and still
there is great deal off opposition.
We can only loose if convinced to do so. You are just another
peson demanding defeat.
It's over. There is *no* path to victory. daveA
bush,jr got our country into a *lose/lose* situation from which he is
unable to extricate our country.
We have two bad choices that bush,jr has inflicted on our country:
1. Stay and bury more of our people and more money with little hope for
a better outcome than if we leave.
Mostly propiganda. I have talked to people there. There is an enemy that
we are making progress on.
Making progress is like moving your arms and legs when you're going down
in quicksand. It just doesn't matter how well we do. Saudi Arabia will
supply whatever it has to through Iran and Syria to counter and subvert
all American and Iraqi efforts to make things better.
It
is not a lost cause. Part of Iraq is doing
well and moving into the modern world.
Iraq was the breadbasket of the Arab world and it had the best educated
people in the region except Israel. We haven't moved them into the
'modern world', we've moved them into the stone age. daveA
If you're in a hole stop digging.
To get out of a hole, first stop digging. Amen to that. daveA
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