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"Paul J. Berg" |
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18 Dec 2006 06:29:04 PM |
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Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
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Hood River County (Oregon) Sheriff Joe Wampler said the search would
have been easier if any of the three climbers were wearing either a GPS
Receiver or Mountain Locator Unit (MLU).
Both pieces of equipment serve as beacons that, when activated,
immediately signal the location of lost skiers, climbers and hikers.
"Unfortunately, we don't have very many people who use these devices =97
but it sure would be helpful," Wampler said.
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
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| User: "Paul J. Berg" |
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21 Dec 2006 06:08:20 PM |
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I got an email today from a cousin in the Midwest. They think the
search should continue, because they're worried that a bear or other
animals may drag off and eat the remains of the missing two climbers.
Now, that gave me a good laugh. Unlike some humans, the wild animals
have the good sense to stay off the mountain.
Most likely the bodies of the two missing climbers wont be recover until
spring. And, if they fell into one the mountain's hundreds of crevasses
this early in the winter season, the bodies may never be found.
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
18 Dec 2006 10:05:32 PM |
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In article <525-45873250-203@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net>,
pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
They probably just didn't want to take the time to get one of them. If I
remember right, they are rented out of the ranger station in Zig Zag,
while they started off on Cooper Spur, on the north side of the mountain -
opposite Zig Zag. Even if the units were available right next to the
Cooper Spur road, they probably wouldn't have wanted to delay things at
all. To do the type of trip they were trying to do, you have to start
early in the morning and finish late at night. Some people don't like to
think that 5 minutes of well though out time might save them days or weeks
or a lifetime of trouble later on.
--
-Glennl
The despammed service works OK, but unfortunately
now the spammers grab addresses for use as "from" address too!
e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317.
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| User: "hal lillywhite" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
18 Dec 2006 10:21:40 PM |
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wrote:
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
They probably just didn't want to take the time to get one of them. If I
remember right, they are rented out of the ranger station in Zig Zag,
You remember wrong. They are rented from any of several different
climbing shops, or the Mount Hood Inn in government Camp. If you want
one I'd call the store first to be sure they handle it.
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Spread_Eagle_=AE?=" |
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19 Dec 2006 12:28:23 AM |
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hal lillywhite wrote:
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
Too bulky and heavy for climbers. Pack space is at a premium.
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| User: "Grim Reaper" |
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19 Dec 2006 10:25:50 AM |
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Spread Eagle =AE wrote:
hal lillywhite wrote:
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
Too bulky and heavy for climbers. Pack space is at a premium.
"Pack space is at a premium."
How much space is your life worth???
As I indicated in an earlier post, I have a lot of outdoor experience
-- I am NOT a climber. Growing up and living in the southeast, I am
not confronted with the likes of Mt. Hood -- our mountains are not as
tall or steep -- but you can die on Mt. Guyot in the Smokies as easily
as you can die on Mt. Hood.
I am constantly amused -- and not a little bit ***** -- at the
young guys I encounter along the Appalachian Trial and other eastern
trails -- they are the "ultra-light" hikers and campers. They work and
work to see just how light they can make their backpacks -- if they
even carry backpacks. Of course, they spend much of their time
mooching off everyone else -- "Say, could I use one of your band-aids
on this blister?" "May I share your shelter?" Being a nice guy I
always say yes, but, I really want to say "Kiss my *****. I hauled it up
here, you carry your own."
But, when you're young, you're ten feet tall and bulletproof.
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| User: "hal lillywhite" |
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19 Dec 2006 12:56:45 PM |
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Spread Eagle =AE wrote:
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
Too bulky and heavy for climbers. Pack space is at a premium.
Ham 2 meter sets can be had as small as the small cell phones you see
and some GPS units are at least that small.
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| User: "Sam Brown" |
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19 Dec 2006 01:17:22 PM |
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hal lillywhite wrote:
Spread Eagle ® wrote:
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
Too bulky and heavy for climbers. Pack space is at a premium.
Ham 2 meter sets can be had as small as the small cell phones you see
and some GPS units are at least that small.
Good point, and line of sight on VHF can be 100 miles or more.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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20 Dec 2006 10:26:55 AM |
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hal lillywhite wrote:
Spread Eagle ® wrote:
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
Too bulky and heavy for climbers. Pack space is at a premium.
Ham 2 meter sets can be had as small as the small cell phones you see
and some GPS units are at least that small.
Verizon even has a phone with GPS
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http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebullhorn/WarOnTerror/ClintonsFailures/
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| User: "Paul Johnson" |
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20 Dec 2006 04:56:18 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
hal lillywhite wrote:
Spread Eagle ® wrote:
Another option (what I do) is carry a GPS and radio. A 2 meter ham
radio works all over the mountain and indeed on most US mountains, much
more reliable than a cell phone which often doesn't work away from
population centers and highways.
Too bulky and heavy for climbers. Pack space is at a premium.
Ham 2 meter sets can be had as small as the small cell phones you see
and some GPS units are at least that small.
Verizon even has a phone with GPS
....that never works because it's a Verizon phone. Verizon: We never start
working for you.
--
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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18 Dec 2006 06:41:38 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:04 -0800, (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:
Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
Because Climbers are adrenaline junkies.
And like most adrenaline junkies, anything they might do to ensure
their own safety somehow detracts from the experience.
Skiers do the same thing with helmets. Some drivers do the same thing
with seat belts. (I always did like the "I'd rather be thrown clear"
excuse for not wearing one. We have a descriptive term for those who
are Thrown Clear. DOA.)
Adrenaline junkies don't act rationally.
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| User: "Curt" |
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18 Dec 2006 07:41:34 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:07deo21jrulotf68sp8mat03q8aa17gpin@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:04 -0800, (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:
Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
Because Climbers are adrenaline junkies.
And like most adrenaline junkies, anything they might do to ensure
their own safety somehow detracts from the experience.
Skiers do the same thing with helmets. Some drivers do the same thing
with seat belts. (I always did like the "I'd rather be thrown clear"
excuse for not wearing one. We have a descriptive term for those who
are Thrown Clear. DOA.)
Or DRT. Don, if you're curious from our conversation before about how much
mt climbing costs.. I was chatting with a friend of mine last night about
his gear. It's a few thousand for a basic setup -- the tent is $500, the
sleeping bag $700, the jacket $750, the down pants I think he said $300, and
the boots $350 IIRC. Gloves $125 and hat $75. Plus there's a million other
odds n ends you need -- rope, ice ax, etc.
Curt
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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19 Dec 2006 11:28:52 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:41:34 -0800, "Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:07deo21jrulotf68sp8mat03q8aa17gpin@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:04 -0800, (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:
Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
Because Climbers are adrenaline junkies.
And like most adrenaline junkies, anything they might do to ensure
their own safety somehow detracts from the experience.
Skiers do the same thing with helmets. Some drivers do the same thing
with seat belts. (I always did like the "I'd rather be thrown clear"
excuse for not wearing one. We have a descriptive term for those who
are Thrown Clear. DOA.)
Or DRT. Don, if you're curious from our conversation before about how much
mt climbing costs.. I was chatting with a friend of mine last night about
his gear. It's a few thousand for a basic setup -- the tent is $500, the
sleeping bag $700, the jacket $750, the down pants I think he said $300, and
the boots $350 IIRC. Gloves $125 and hat $75. Plus there's a million other
odds n ends you need -- rope, ice ax, etc.
Perhaps, if you buy new for the journey and buy top of the line.
Certainly not Tens of thousands, as initially claimed.
On a light and quick climb, less.
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| User: "Baxter" |
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18 Dec 2006 06:56:17 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:04 -0800, (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:
Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
Because Climbers are adrenaline junkies.
And like most adrenaline junkies, anything they might do to ensure
their own safety somehow detracts from the experience.
Skiers do the same thing with helmets. Some drivers do the same thing
with seat belts. (I always did like the "I'd rather be thrown clear"
excuse for not wearing one. We have a descriptive term for those who
are Thrown Clear. DOA.)
Adrenaline junkies don't act rationally.
The morning they started their climb, they left a note at the ranger
station - which apparently wasn't open. My question is: how easy is it to
rent these GPS/MLU units?
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| User: "Paul Johnson" |
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19 Dec 2006 06:56:41 PM |
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Baxter wrote:
The morning they started their climb, they left a note at the ranger
station - which apparently wasn't open.
As I understand it, the note was left on the dashboard of their truck left
at the trailhead they took, not at any location of significant
civilization.
My question is: how easy is it to rent these GPS/MLU units?
Not hard. They're a rental item most places climbing equipment is sold.
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| User: "Bill Z." |
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18 Dec 2006 09:10:23 PM |
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> writes:
Some drivers do the same thing with seat belts. (I always did like
the "I'd rather be thrown clear" excuse for not wearing one. We
have a descriptive term for those who are Thrown Clear. DOA.)
I have an idiot relative who once subscribed to the "I'd rather be
thrown clear" excuse, citing the bizarre case, if true, of someone who
was actually better off being thrown clear: it seems some bozo's car
was hit by a freight train. Being "thrown clear" is better than being
completely crushed by a train, but train accidents are exceedingly
rare, and you have to really screw up to not see the warning signals
or gates that close when a train goes by. When I pointed out that
being hit by a train is among the least likely accidents you can be
in, that went completely over his head (or at least, he pretended it
did, since he was obviously just looking for an excuse not to use a
seatbelt).
--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB
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| User: "gatt" |
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19 Dec 2006 05:11:39 PM |
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"Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87fybclgw7.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
Some drivers do the same thing with seat belts. (I always did like
the "I'd rather be thrown clear" excuse for not wearing one. We
have a descriptive term for those who are Thrown Clear. DOA.)
I have an idiot relative who once subscribed to the "I'd rather be thrown
clear" excuse, citing the bizarre case, if true, of someone who
was actually better off being thrown clear: it seems some bozo's car was
hit by a freight train.
The thing about those sayings is they're almost always nonsensical either
way. OSP had a high school campaign in the '80s with some trooper saying
"I've never unbuckled a dead man." My grandfather (a cop) quipped that the
guy must have had a desk job or something.
-c
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| User: "Mr. T" |
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20 Dec 2006 03:48:52 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:04 -0800, (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:
Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
Because Climbers are adrenaline junkies.
I wouldn't agree with this assessment. I think the vast majority of
climbers do it in spite of the risk, not because of any sort of rush
the risk gives them.
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| User: "Bill Shatzer" |
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19 Dec 2006 12:45:59 AM |
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Paul J. Berg wrote:
Hood River County (Oregon) Sheriff Joe Wampler said the search would
have been easier if any of the three climbers were wearing either a GPS
Receiver or Mountain Locator Unit (MLU).
Both pieces of equipment serve as beacons that, when activated,
immediately signal the location of lost skiers, climbers and hikers.
"Unfortunately, we don't have very many people who use these devices —
but it sure would be helpful," Wampler said.
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
Don't think the MLUs are available for rental at any locations on the
north or east sides of the mountain - which is the route these folks took.
They're available in Portland proper and at Government Camp but not, I
think, on the other sides.
Hal will correct me, I'm sure, if I'm wrong.
Peace and justice,
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| User: "hal lillywhite" |
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19 Dec 2006 12:58:51 PM |
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
Don't think the MLUs are available for rental at any locations on the
north or east sides of the mountain - which is the route these folks took.
They're available in Portland proper and at Government Camp but not, I
think, on the other sides.
Hal will correct me, I'm sure, if I'm wrong.
No he won't cause he doesn't know if they are available in Hood River
and like places. That's why I suggested that those interested call the
mountaineering shops before assuming they will have them.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Spread_Eagle=AE?=" |
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18 Dec 2006 09:33:20 PM |
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Paul J. Berg wrote:
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
It isn't the money. Nor is it the bulk or weight, although some claim
that. But these devices are small and the weight is minimal. Their
batteries expend themselves after 2 days, so in a long rescue like this
they may not be all that useful. But the real reason is because
emergency locator devices of any kind are not considered by most
serious climbers to be sporting. Kind of like a high wire trapeze
artist not wanting a net.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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18 Dec 2006 11:22:16 PM |
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"Spread Eagle®" <redsky@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
Paul J. Berg wrote:
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of
the climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on
other equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely
wasn't the five dollar rental fee.
It isn't the money. Nor is it the bulk or weight, although some claim
that. But these devices are small and the weight is minimal. Their
batteries expend themselves after 2 days, so in a long rescue like
this they may not be all that useful. But the real reason is because
emergency locator devices of any kind are not considered by most
serious climbers to be sporting. Kind of like a high wire trapeze
artist not wanting a net.
Let 'em die.
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| User: "Ms Jetson" |
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20 Dec 2006 11:53:03 PM |
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Spread Eagle=AE wrote:
Paul J. Berg wrote:
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
It isn't the money. Nor is it the bulk or weight, although some claim
that. But these devices are small and the weight is minimal. Their
batteries expend themselves after 2 days, so in a long rescue like this
they may not be all that useful.
But if used initially - rescue would be shorter, no?
But the real reason is because
emergency locator devices of any kind are not considered by most
serious climbers to be sporting. Kind of like a high wire trapeze
artist not wanting a net.
I get that part - but I really don't dig that the climbers are so
heartless toward their future rescuers - or the rescuers' families. Of
course, some of the rescuers are themselves danger junkies, which is
cool. But for some, it's a job.
The disconnect between the climbers and their own families is also
quite palpable to me. They obviously have a different type of family
life and order than I do. As much as I detest devices, I really do
understand how seriously my family would be upset by me merely
disappearing - experienced or not. Why take a cell phone then?
And I believe those beacons last more than 2 days. You wouldn't turn
it on unless you needed rescue, right? Accidents could still happen,
but with three beacons, the chances of three people getting found -
somehow - even if dead - would be increased. And that works to save
the hearts and minds of the rescuers and the family.
It disturbs me terribly that a 6 year old got a cell call (apparently)
from a now deceased dad and was dad's final lifeline to the existing
universe as the 6 year old knows it. That may well haunt the kid for
awhile - or for life. But then, I guess that toughens up a 6 year old
who is now "man of the family," now that dad is dead, right? Must be
sort of how they think about things. Still seems sort of heavy handed
to me - what if junior doesn't want to be a great adventurer and would
have enjoyed having dad around instead? Kid had no choice in the
matter - but if the beacon had been there, the kid would feel more let
off the hook.
A=2E
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| User: "Drag Nag Ri" |
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21 Dec 2006 08:31:48 AM |
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"Ms Jetson" <atalanta.brilliante@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166680383.352865.223660@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
The disconnect between the climbers and their own families is also
quite palpable to me. They obviously have a different type of family
life and order than I do. As much as I detest devices, I really do
understand how seriously my family would be upset by me merely
disappearing - experienced or not. Why take a cell phone then?
Climbers arn't always adrenalin junkies. People climb for many reasons.
Although we know there are significant risks, we fully expect to come home
every time. The media protrays us like we have a death wish and have this
need to live on the edge. I've been climbing for over 20 years and I would
say that constitutes a very small minority. Additionally, there is this
perceptoin that the frequency of accidents is extermely high. Considers that
millions of people climb and the annual number of rescues, the overall rate
is not that high, although higher than for most other activities.
Unfortunatly it does make a sellable news story that drives the media and
creates a negative perception of climbers. I don't see this "disconnect
between the climbers and their own families". We don't go out expecting to
leaves widows and orphans behind.
And I believe those beacons last more than 2 days. You wouldn't turn
it on unless you needed rescue, right? Accidents could still happen,
but with three beacons, the chances of three people getting found -
somehow - even if dead - would be increased. And that works to save
the hearts and minds of the rescuers and the family.
In this case the weather would have prevented the rescue even with beacons.
I agree that they may have helped with body recovery. I general, I don't
think these beacons are that useful. In bad weather a helichopter won't be
able to fly and in good weather it is easy enough to make your self visible
if you have already notified rescue personel your aproximate location.
It disturbs me terribly that a 6 year old got a cell call (apparently)
from a now deceased dad and was dad's final lifeline to the existing
universe as the 6 year old knows it. That may well haunt the kid for
awhile - or for life. But then, I guess that toughens up a 6 year old
who is now "man of the family," now that dad is dead, right? Must be
sort of how they think about things. Still seems sort of heavy handed
to me - what if junior doesn't want to be a great adventurer and would
have enjoyed having dad around instead? Kid had no choice in the
matter - but if the beacon had been there, the kid would feel more let
off the hook.
A.
We will never know why he called home rather than 911. Speculating on 2
possibilities.
1. He didn't think he was in that much trouble yet. He was injured and his
friends went for help and just called to reassure his family?
2. He was hypothermic already and not thinking clearly?
I'm sure he didn't call to traumatize his kid.
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| User: "lein" |
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21 Dec 2006 10:18:09 AM |
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Ms Jetson wrote:
Spread Eagle=AE wrote:
Paul J. Berg wrote:
The rental fee for a MLU is $5.00 (five dollars). Why didn't any of =
the
climbers have a MLU? Considering what the climbers spent on other
equipment and the cost of getting to Mount Hood, it surely wasn't the
five dollar rental fee.
It isn't the money. Nor is it the bulk or weight, although some claim
that. But these devices are small and the weight is minimal. Their
batteries expend themselves after 2 days, so in a long rescue like this
they may not be all that useful.
But if used initially - rescue would be shorter, no?
But the real reason is because
emergency locator devices of any kind are not considered by most
serious climbers to be sporting. Kind of like a high wire trapeze
artist not wanting a net.
I get that part - but I really don't dig that the climbers are so
heartless toward their future rescuers - or the rescuers' families. Of
course, some of the rescuers are themselves danger junkies, which is
cool. But for some, it's a job.
<snip>
You know, I wonder what these climbers do when they have to drive
across a desert. Do the remove the spare tire from their car, leave
the phone and AAA card behind?
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| User: "Dawn Alguard" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
21 Dec 2006 11:04:19 AM |
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lein wrote:
You know, I wonder what these climbers do when they have to drive
across a desert. Do the remove the spare tire from their car, leave
the phone and AAA card behind?
We might be brave enough to do it without the portable
refrigerator, air mattress, GPS, and snake bite kit. Let me
ask you this, when you drive across a desert, do you bring a
PLB?
Dawn
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
21 Dec 2006 12:29:00 PM |
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Dawn Alguard <me@privacy.net> wrote:
lein wrote:
You know, I wonder what these climbers do when they have to drive
across a desert. Do the remove the spare tire from their car, leave
the phone and AAA card behind?
We might be brave enough to do it without the portable
refrigerator, air mattress, GPS, and snake bite kit. Let me
ask you this, when you drive across a desert, do you bring a
PLB?
Not if I'm on well traveled roads. If I knew I could be on foot 40 or 50
miles from help, it might be a good idea. Depending on what else I had with
me. But, of course, it's fairly flat, doesn't get blizzards, hard to fall
off, temps a bit high in the daytime, but you don't get hypothermia. Oh,
and 300 people don't have to come looking for your sorry ***** when you can't
cut it or don't have the brains to pour ***** out of a boot.
Oregon - A Nice Place For Idiots To Die In Winter
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| User: "Drag Nag Ri" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
21 Dec 2006 03:32:27 PM |
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MnAih.5431$WS4.1551@trndny07...
Oregon - A Nice Place For Idiots To Die In Winter
Couches - A nice place for pathetic lard-asses to die anytime.
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| User: "gatt" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
21 Dec 2006 03:52:37 PM |
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"Drag Nag Ri" <nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:23Dih.6345$cB6.626@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Oregon - A Nice Place For Idiots To Die In Winter
Couches - A nice place for pathetic lard-asses to die anytime.
Idiots die in Oregon year round, but mostly in the summer. Water recreation
is almost always involved. (Including snow and ice.)
-c
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
21 Dec 2006 06:35:44 PM |
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"gatt" <LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Drag Nag Ri" <nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:23Dih.6345$cB6.626@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Oregon - A Nice Place For Idiots To Die In Winter
Couches - A nice place for pathetic lard-asses to die anytime.
Idiots die in Oregon year round, but mostly in the summer. Water
recreation is almost always involved. (Including snow and ice.)
The Sandy claims what 6 or 7 every summer? And they all seem to be in the
same spot.
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| User: "gatt" |
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| Title: Re: Mount Hood: EGO versus MLU |
21 Dec 2006 06:55:09 PM |
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ALFih.5325$JL5.3006@trndny03...
Idiots die in Oregon year round, but mostly in the summer. Water
recreation is almost always involved. (Including snow and ice.)
The Sandy claims what 6 or 7 every summer? And they all seem to be in the
same spot.
Yep. If not there, then the Stark Street Bridge where we've actually
watched people die after jumping off the Danger! Do Not Jump From Bridge
sign.
Between that, jet skiers and drunks along the Clackamas, there's plenty of
support for natural selection theories.
-c
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