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07 May 2006 12:38:52 AM |
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Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
07 May 2006 12:49:20 AM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT
"Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
He's a malicious loopin who damaged nothing more than Islam's reputation.
Loooony Bin. Slam-dunk. Birds, flower and bees. For the rest of his days.
Dhu
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| User: "Franc Zabkar" |
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
07 May 2006 03:36:13 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
- Franc Zabkar
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| User: "Gordon Levi" |
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
08 May 2006 10:13:44 AM |
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Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
Probably because they had a difficult time convicting him in the first
place. He has never been accused of doing anything to bring about the
September 11 attack. Killing people because they _might_ have
prevented a crime seems excessive to me. With hindsight, it is clear
that there are several U.S. citizens who are guilty of that.
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| User: "KANGAROOISTAN" |
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
09 May 2006 12:33:23 PM |
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Gordon Levi wrote:
Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
Probably because they had a difficult time convicting him in the first
place. He has never been accused of doing anything to bring about the
September 11 attack. Killing people because they _might_ have
prevented a crime seems excessive to me. With hindsight, it is clear
that there are several U.S. citizens who are guilty of that.
EXACTLY
BY THIS PRECEDENT EVERY AMERICAN IS GUILTY OF MURDERING 100,000 IRAQI
CIVILLIANS
THEY COULD HAVE STOPPED BUSH FROM MURDERING THEM AND THEY DID NOT
SAME FOR AUSTRALIA AND ENGLAND
ALL THOSE WHO HAVE KEPT EVIDENCE OF THE THINGS THEY DID TO PREVENT THE
MURDER OF 100,000 INNOCENT MUSLIMS SO FAR
AND SEVERAL BILLION PEOPLE BY THE TIME THE WAR ENDS
WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR ATTEMPTS TO STOP THE WAR
WHEN THEY GET CHARGED AS WAR CRIMINALS
THOSE WITH EVEIDENCE THEY DID ALL IN THEIR POWER TO STOP THE WAR MAY BE
ABLE TO SAVE THEIR FAMILY FROM A DEATH SENTENCE
SO KEEP RECORD OF ALL YOU EFFORTS TO STOP THE ILLEGAL WARS
AND ALSO KEEP ALL EVIDENCE OF THOSE WHO PROMOTE THE WAR
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| User: "WD" |
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
09 May 2006 09:14:33 PM |
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Gordon Levi wrote:
Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
And why was court time and money wasted filling up his trial with
emotional retelling of the 9/11 story when we already know how horrible
murder is? A terrible waste of resources and a very dubious form of
justice.
Probably because they had a difficult time convicting him in the first
place. He has never been accused of doing anything to bring about the
September 11 attack. Killing people because they _might_ have
prevented a crime seems excessive to me. With hindsight, it is clear
that there are several U.S. citizens who are guilty of that.
He was not convicted because he failed to prevent a crime. He was
convicted because he actually participated in a crime.
The 6 charges are as follows:
* Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism Transcending National
Boundaries
* Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
* Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
* Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
* Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
* Conspiracy to Destroy Property
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
Admitting that he knew about the attacks and failed to do anything
about it simply proved his guilt.
W.D.
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| User: "judgejudy" |
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
13 May 2006 03:03:57 PM |
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On 9 May 2006 19:14:33 -0700, "WD" <tuariki1@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
#He was not convicted because he failed to prevent a crime. He was
#convicted because he actually participated in a crime.
#
#The 6 charges are as follows:
#
#* Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism Transcending National
#Boundaries
#* Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
#* Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
#* Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
#* Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
#* Conspiracy to Destroy Property
#
#http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
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#Admitting that he knew about the attacks and failed to do anything
#about it simply proved his guilt.
#
#
#W.D.
Both Condezza Rice and George W. Bush were warned about the attacks
seven months before 9-11 but did not do anything about it. So why
isn't G.W. Bush impeached? Why isn't Bush a cellmate with Moussaoui?
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| User: "WD" |
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| Title: Re: Moussaoui will never rot in prison |
13 May 2006 11:42:52 PM |
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judgejudy wrote:
On 9 May 2006 19:14:33 -0700, "WD" <tuariki1@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
#He was not convicted because he failed to prevent a crime. He was
#convicted because he actually participated in a crime.
#
#The 6 charges are as follows:
#
#* Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism Transcending National
#Boundaries
#* Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
#* Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
#* Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
#* Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
#* Conspiracy to Destroy Property
#
#http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
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#Admitting that he knew about the attacks and failed to do anything
#about it simply proved his guilt.
#
#
#W.D.
Both Condezza Rice and George W. Bush were warned about the attacks
seven months before 9-11 but did not do anything about it.
What would you suggest? Grouding all flights for eternity? Barring
all muslims from flights in the US?
The US receives threats all the time. It can't take drastic action in
response to each one. Perhaps something more could have been done.
It's easy to look back with hindsight and see what those at the time
couldn't see.
So why
isn't G.W. Bush impeached? Why isn't Bush a cellmate with Moussaoui?
Read the charges again. Where is Moussaoui charged with failing to
prevent 9/11?
W.D.
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| User: "judgejudy" |
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15 May 2006 02:56:05 PM |
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On 13 May 2006 21:42:52 -0700, "WD" <tuariki1@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
#
#judgejudy wrote:
#
#> On 9 May 2006 19:14:33 -0700, "WD" <tuariki1@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
#>
#> #He was not convicted because he failed to prevent a crime. He was
#> #convicted because he actually participated in a crime.
#> #
#> #The 6 charges are as follows:
#> #
#> #* Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism Transcending National
#> #Boundaries
#> #* Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
#> #* Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
#> #* Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
#> #* Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
#> #* Conspiracy to Destroy Property
#> #
#> #http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
#> #
#> #Admitting that he knew about the attacks and failed to do anything
#> #about it simply proved his guilt.
#> #
#> #
#> #W.D.
#>
#>
#> Both Condezza Rice and George W. Bush were warned about the attacks
#> seven months before 9-11 but did not do anything about it.
#
#What would you suggest? Grouding all flights for eternity? Barring
#all muslims from flights in the US?
#
#The US receives threats all the time. It can't take drastic action
in
#response to each one. Perhaps something more could have been done.
#It's easy to look back with hindsight and see what those at the time
#couldn't see.
#
#> So why
#> isn't G.W. Bush impeached? Why isn't Bush a cellmate with
Moussaoui?
#
#Read the charges again. Where is Moussaoui charged with failing to
#prevent 9/11?
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#
#W.D.
Your list of charges do not address what the charges relate to.
According to the boston Globe,
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/03/31/jury_weighs_wording_of_moussaoui_charges/
the jury was supposed to decide the following:
"The nine men and three women, who got the case late Wednesday, then
returned to deliberate whether Moussaoui is a calculating terrorist
responsible for the deaths of Americans on Sept. 11, or an Al Qaeda
lackey with delusions of grandeur who had no role in the attacks".
And according to Forbes, May 5, 2006,
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/05/12/ap2743309.html
Moussaoui confessed to ,
Since his sentencing, Moussaoui has said he lied when testifying at
his sentencing trial that he was to hijack a fifth jetliner on Sept.
11, 2001. He has returned to claiming - as he had for four years
before the trial testimony - that he had nothing to do with the
suicide hijackings that took nearly 3,000 lives on Sept. 11, 2001.
Moussaoui was in jail in Minnesota on immigration charges on 9/11, but
he has admitted he was training to hijack a 747 jetliner and fly it
into the White House as part of a later plot to gain release of a
radical Egyptian sheik who is serving a life term for terrorist acts.
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America wants a symbolic person like Moussaoui to punish for the 9-11
attacks even if he is a scape goat for the blundering Bush
administration.
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| User: "WD" |
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15 May 2006 08:32:56 PM |
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judgejudy wrote:
snip
Your list of charges do not address what the charges relate to.
I referenced the actual indictment which details the charges against
him.
According to the boston Globe,
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/03/31/jury_weighs_wording_of_moussaoui_charges/
the jury was supposed to decide the following:
"The nine men and three women, who got the case late Wednesday, then
returned to deliberate whether Moussaoui is a calculating terrorist
responsible for the deaths of Americans on Sept. 11, or an Al Qaeda
lackey with delusions of grandeur who had no role in the attacks".
Indeed.. and nowhere in there are they asking whether he is guilty of
not preventing the 9/11 attacks. The question is whether or not he was
actually involved or whether he's just a crazy nut (or both).
And according to Forbes, May 5, 2006,
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/05/12/ap2743309.html
Moussaoui confessed to ,
Since his sentencing, Moussaoui has said he lied when testifying at
his sentencing trial that he was to hijack a fifth jetliner on Sept.
11, 2001. He has returned to claiming - as he had for four years
before the trial testimony - that he had nothing to do with the
suicide hijackings that took nearly 3,000 lives on Sept. 11, 2001.
Moussaoui was in jail in Minnesota on immigration charges on 9/11, but
he has admitted he was training to hijack a 747 jetliner and fly it
into the White House as part of a later plot to gain release of a
radical Egyptian sheik who is serving a life term for terrorist acts.
I'm not sure I see the distinction to be made here (in terms of
punishment at least). Since section 2332b. Acts of terrorism
transcending national boundaries states:
(c)(1)(f)
"for attempting or conspiring to commit an offense, for any term of
years up to the maximum punishment that would have applied had the
offense been completed"
The maximum punishment being death.
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America wants a symbolic person like Moussaoui to punish for the 9-11
attacks even if he is a scape goat for the blundering Bush
administration.
Did he commit the crimes he is charged with or not? If you don't think
so, then say why. So far you have only shown his guilt.
W.D.
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| User: "Brian Dooley" |
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11 May 2006 08:30:45 PM |
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On 9 May 2006 19:14:33 -0700, "WD" <tuariki1@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
Gordon Levi wrote:
Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
And why was court time and money wasted filling up his trial with
emotional retelling of the 9/11 story when we already know how horrible
murder is? A terrible waste of resources and a very dubious form of
justice.
Probably because they had a difficult time convicting him in the first
place. He has never been accused of doing anything to bring about the
September 11 attack. Killing people because they _might_ have
prevented a crime seems excessive to me. With hindsight, it is clear
that there are several U.S. citizens who are guilty of that.
He was not convicted because he failed to prevent a crime. He was
convicted because he actually participated in a crime.
The 6 charges are as follows:
* Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism Transcending National
Boundaries
* Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
* Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
* Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
* Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
* Conspiracy to Destroy Property
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
Admitting that he knew about the attacks and failed to do anything
about it simply proved his guilt.
Were these conspiracies actually crimes at the time he alledgedly
committed them?
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
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| User: "WD" |
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11 May 2006 10:02:26 PM |
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Brian Dooley wrote:
On 9 May 2006 19:14:33 -0700, "WD" <tuariki1@woosh.co.nz> wrote:
Gordon Levi wrote:
Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
And why was court time and money wasted filling up his trial with
emotional retelling of the 9/11 story when we already know how horrible
murder is? A terrible waste of resources and a very dubious form of
justice.
Probably because they had a difficult time convicting him in the first
place. He has never been accused of doing anything to bring about the
September 11 attack. Killing people because they _might_ have
prevented a crime seems excessive to me. With hindsight, it is clear
that there are several U.S. citizens who are guilty of that.
He was not convicted because he failed to prevent a crime. He was
convicted because he actually participated in a crime.
The 6 charges are as follows:
* Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism Transcending National
Boundaries
* Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
* Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
* Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
* Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
* Conspiracy to Destroy Property
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm
Admitting that he knew about the attacks and failed to do anything
about it simply proved his guilt.
Were these conspiracies actually crimes at the time he alledgedly
committed them?
Yes.
W.D.
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| User: "Guppy the Tailgunner" |
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07 May 2006 04:17:26 PM |
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Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 05:38:52 GMT, "Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110008338
"Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial
weren't allowed to see the movie 'United 93' the day before reaching a
verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is
likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box
to deliver the death sentence himself ..."
I don't get it. Why wasn't the murder of 3000 innocent victims enough
to convince the jury that ZM deserved the death penalty?
because the jurors know that the Israelis did it.
- Franc Zabkar
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| User: "Duncan Patton" |
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09 May 2006 11:22:59 AM |
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On 7 May 2006 14:17:26 -0700
"Guppy the Tailgunner" <bunghole-jonnie@lycos.com> wrote:
because the jurors know that the Israelis did it.
Nah. My bet's on Tim McVeigh's ghost.
Dhu
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Contact Fubar the Hack: fubar AT neotext.ca
Area code seven eight zero, Exchange four six six, Local zero one zero nine
Highland terms, Canadian workmanship.
All persons named herein are purely fictional victims
of the Canidian Bagle Breeder's Association.
Save the Bagle!
Sun Dhu
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| User: "Duncan Patton" |
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08 May 2006 07:25:32 AM |
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On 7 May 2006 14:17:26 -0700
"Guppy the Tailgunner" <bunghole-jonnie@lycos.com> wrote:
because the jurors know that the Israelis did it.
That's the problem with logic. Needs genuine intelligence to operate it.
Dhu
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Open Systems Integration
Contact Fubar the Hack: fubar AT neotext.ca
Area code seven eight zero, Exchange four six six, Local zero one zero nine
Highland terms, Canadian workmanship.
All persons named herein are purely fictional victims
of the Canidian Bagle Breeder's Association.
Save the Bagle!
Sun Dhu
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