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Muslim fury grows at Pope's speech
Last updated at 13:42pm on 15th September 2006
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Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
The furore over comments made by Pope Benedict about the Islamic
concept of Holy War continues to grow. Today British Muslims joined
in, fiercely criticising his remarks.
The pontiff was accused of falling into "the trap of bigots and
racists" with the comments he made on a visit to Germany.
• Muslims must do more to integrate, says Archbishop
Last night Vatican officials were scrambling to defend the comments,
saying the Pope had never intended to offend Muslims.
During a speech, he quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor who said
the prophet Mohammed had brought "things only evil and inhuman".
But Britain's Ramadhan Foundation, a youth organisation based in
Rochdale, reacted angrily to the comments, comparing the Pope
unfavourably to his predecessor John Paul II.
In a statement it said: "If the Pope wanted to attack Islam and
Prophet Muhammad teachings he could have been brave enough to say it
personally without quoting a 14th century Byzantine Christian emperor.
"The late Pope John Paul II spent over 25 years to build bridges and
links with the Muslim community. He showed the world that its
perception of Islam was false and that we are peace-loving people.
"The Ramadhan Foundation is disappointed that the current Pope has not
followed the example of his predecessor; it is essential in today's
world that we link together and encourage a wider understanding of our
different faiths, celebrating our religious differences is essential
in a ever expanding world."
Muhammad Umar, chairman of the foundation, said: "This attack on Islam
and Prophet Muhammad by Pope Benedict is recognition that he has
fallen into the trap of the bigots and racists when it comes to
judging Islam on the actions of a small number of extreme elements."
The Pope's speech quoted from a book recounting a conversation between
14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an
educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam.
"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the
Pope said.
"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new,
and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his
command to spread by the sword the faith he preached'."
Benedict described the phrases on Islam as "brusque", while neither
explicitly agreeing with nor repudiating them.
Pakistan's parliament condemned the "derogatory" remarks today and
demanded an apology. The country's foreign ministry said they were
"regrettable" and claimed they would encourage violence.
Vatican spokesman the Rev Federico Lombardi issued a statement
defending the speech after Pope Benedict returned to Rome. "It
certainly wasn't the intention of the Pope to carry out a deep
examination of jihad (holy war) and on Muslim thought on it, much less
to offend the sensibility of Muslim believers," he said.
He insisted that the pontiff wanted to "cultivate an attitude of
respect and dialogue toward the other religions and cultures,
obviously also toward Islam".
But Turkey's top Islamic cleric Ali Bardakoglu asked Benedict to
apologise and made a string of accusations against Christianity,
raising tensions ahead of a planned papal visit to the country in
November.
He said he was deeply offended by the remarks and called them
"extraordinarily worrying, saddening and unfortunate".
The 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference, based in Jeddah,
Saudi Arabia, said it regretted "the Pope's quote and for the other
falsifications". Militant Islamic websites also attacked the Pope.
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"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
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15 Sep 2006 03:33:36 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" wrote:
Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
YEP. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ***** OFF A RAGHEAD THESE DAYS. I BUMPED MY
SHOPPING CART INTO ONE OF THEM THE OTHER DAY AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT I JUST
PISSED ON HIS COPY OF THE KORAN.
- KODIAK
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15 Sep 2006 04:56:55 PM |
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KODIAK wrote:
"Captain Compassion" wrote:
Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
YEP. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ***** OFF A RAGHEAD THESE DAYS. I BUMPED MY
SHOPPING CART INTO ONE OF THEM THE OTHER DAY AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT I JUST
PISSED ON HIS COPY OF THE KORAN.
- KODIAK
Hit 'em harder next time.
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| User: "Parmenides" |
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15 Sep 2006 11:01:06 PM |
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wrote:
KODIAK wrote:
"Captain Compassion" wrote:
Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
YEP. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ***** OFF A RAGHEAD THESE DAYS. I BUMPED MY
SHOPPING CART INTO ONE OF THEM THE OTHER DAY AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT I JUST
PISSED ON HIS COPY OF THE KORAN.
- KODIAK
Hit 'em harder next time.
I'm with Allah on this one:
YUSUFALI: If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back their
covenant to them, so as to be on equal terms:
for Allah loveth not the treacherous.
PICKTHAL: And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back
to them their treaty fairly.
Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous.
SHAKIR: And if you fear treachery on the part of a people, then throw
back to them on terms of equality; surely Allah does not love the
treacherous.
Hale to the Mighty Aesir!
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| User: "Z" |
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16 Sep 2006 11:32:58 AM |
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The Pope will bow toward Mecca & say he is sorry.
Z
"Parmenides" <zeno@velia.io> wrote in message
news:p_CdnXKPL8GT6pbYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
awthrawthr@yahoo.com wrote:
KODIAK wrote:
"Captain Compassion" wrote:
Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
YEP. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ***** OFF A RAGHEAD THESE DAYS. I BUMPED MY
SHOPPING CART INTO ONE OF THEM THE OTHER DAY AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT I
JUST
PISSED ON HIS COPY OF THE KORAN.
- KODIAK
Hit 'em harder next time.
I'm with Allah on this one:
YUSUFALI: If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back their
covenant to them, so as to be on equal terms:
for Allah loveth not the treacherous.
PICKTHAL: And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back
to them their treaty fairly.
Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous.
SHAKIR: And if you fear treachery on the part of a people, then throw
back to them on terms of equality; surely Allah does not love the
treacherous.
Hale to the Mighty Aesir!
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| User: "Bob" |
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16 Sep 2006 11:35:42 AM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message news:mGVOg.211$lC3.75@newsfe07.lga...
The Pope will bow toward Mecca & say he is sorry.
And when will the radical Muslims bow
toward Rome and say they are sorry?
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| User: "Topaz" |
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17 Sep 2006 06:24:48 PM |
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By Liam Hulin
St. George's Cathedral in Jerusalem. On 3 Feb. 1944 three Jews were
surprised as they tried to set a bomb at the gate of St. George's
Cathedral through which the British High Commissioner would pass on
his way to Sunday service.
French Catholic Ratisbonne School. On 20 Nov, 1947 Jews smashed the
statue of the Virgin Mary in the enclosure.
German Catholic Church of Jerusalem. On 16 Feb. 1948 Jews threw hand
grenades into the yard of the church.
Dormito Abbey, Mt. Zion. Also on 16 Feb. 1948 a bomb was thrown by the
Haganah into the garden barely missing two fathers.
The War Against the Christian Palestinians 1948-49
The Zionist attack on Christianity in Jerusalem:
.. In 1947 Christian Population of Palestine was 350,000. In 1948 the
Israelis grabbed 80% of Palestine and expelled 800,000 Muslim and
Christian Arabs. In 1969 the Christian population of Israel was less
than 45,000.
Convent of St. George of the Greek Orthodox- occupied 14 May 1948;
struck on
18 May by a mortar shell
Hospice "Notre Dame de France" of the Assumptionist Fathers- occupied
15 May 1948; used as a main base to attack Jerusalem. Large part of it
was destroyed by the occupation.
Convent of Reparatrice Sisters- occupied 15 May 1948; used in the
attack on Jerusalem. Set on fire and mostly destroyed.
French Hospital- occupied 15 May 1948 in defiance of the International
Red Cross and French flags flying over it.
Italian Hospital- occupied 15 May 1948 despite its being under the
protection of the Red Cross; used to shell Jerusalem.
Seminary of Ste. Anne was bombed on 17 & 19 May 1948 suffering heavy
damage and many of the refugees within were wounded.
Church of St. Constantin and Helena- struck by a bomb on 17 May 1948
the fragments of which damaged the Church of the Holy Sepulcher
next-door.
The Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was hit with about one hundred
mortar bombs launched by the Zionists from the monastery of the
Benedictine Fathers on Mount Sion. These bombs also damaged St.
Jacob's Convent, the Archangels Convent and their churches, their two
Elementary and Seminary schools along with their libraries. 8 killed
and 120 wounded.
The Apostolic Delegation (protected by the Holy See)- occupied 18 May
1948.
Monastery of the German Benedictine Fathers (Dormition)- occupied 18
May 1948; used as one of the main bases for the attack on Jerusalem.
The English School at Mount Sion- occupied 18 May 1948
Convent of St. John (Greek Orthodox)- occupied 18 May 1948; struck by
a
mortar shell on 23 May 1948
St. Abraham convent struck by mortar fire on 23 May 1948
St. Spiridon convent struck by mortar fire on 23 May 1948
Convent of the Archangel (belonging to the Coptic Patriarchate)
forming part
of the Holy Sepulcher struck by a mortar shell on 23 May 1948
The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate hit by mortar shells on 23 & 24 May
1948
wounding many refugees
Franciscan Convent (St. Saviour) near the Holy Sepulcher hit by mortar
shells on 19, 23, 24, & 28 May 1948- orphanage damaged; general
secretariat
damaged; many nearby houses destroyed; many sheltering children killed
and
wounded
Latin Patriarche hit by mortar shelling on 23, 26, 27 & 28 May 1948
damaging
the Patriarchal Palace, especially the Cathedral
Greek Catholic Patriarchate struck by mortar shells on 16 & 29 May
1948
damaging the building and wounding several people
Church of St. Mark (Syrian Orthodox)- struck by mortar shell killing
the monk Peter Saymy, secretary to the bishop, and wounding two
others.
Zionists fired on Jerusalem from the Hebrew University, Hadassah
Hospital and from two synagogues located in the Old City.
Desecration in Peace: 1949-1967
.. On Mt. Zion in Jerusalem Israeli forces first seized then looted
various churches and convents. Gold and silver religious objects were
taken and the churches and convents turned into military posts. The
soldiers desecrated and vandalized the Armenian and Greek Orthodox
cemeteries. Fourteen tombs of Christian patriarchs were smashed open
and their contents desecrated. In the Greek Orthodox cemetery
practically every tomb was smashed. Many graves were dynamited or
ripped open. Fragments of marble crosses, angles' wings and
inscriptions lie inextricably mixed with human skeletons and skulls,
blackened tree stumps, and the remains of rockets and shells.
"The Jews actually dragged the corpses out of the tombs and scattered
the coffins and remains of the dead all around the cemetery." The Very
Reverend Father Andres, Procurator-General in the Holy Land writing in
1968 of the attack on the Catholic cemetery.
.. Churches were destroyed in Damound & Somata.
.. Christmas Day 1952 the Israeli army blew up the village of Ikret,
whose population was 100% Catholic. Its beautiful church was destroyed
and the population were scattered to other parts of Galilee.
.. October 1953 the Israeli army destroyed the Christian village of
Kafr Bur'om in Galilee. Its churches and schools were demolished and
the population scattered to various parts of Galilee.
.. 16 April 1954 Zionist attack the cemetery of the Greek Catholic
Community in Haifa. Desecration was the point- they danced on the
graves; they dug up the remains destroying many tombs, 73 crosses and
50 statues of angles were smashed.
.. July 1954 Israeli fundamentalists attack a Christian religious
procession of the Carmelite Fathers and the Christian community of
Haifa on Mt. Carmel near Haifa. The procession was dispersed, many
crosses were destroyed and many Christians were injured.
.. 12 July 1954, a Protestant Minister in Tiberias went to a house
where some families of Christian and Jews had gathered. a rabbi
provoked Jews to riot by spreading the rumor that many Jews were to be
baptized in that house. Hundreds of Jews gathered and attacked the
house. The police were rushed to disperse the mob, and it was only the
presence of the police which saved the Protestant Minister from being
lynched.
.. July 1961 a Christian Fundamentalist missionary group in Jerusalem
was forced to cancel it services when attacked by stone-throwing
Jewish religious fanatics. They chanted "Eichmann! Eichmann!" and
began tossing rocks.
.. 10 January 1963 the Finnish Christian Mission School in Jerusalem is
attacked by seventy Jews, mostly Yeshiva students. They smashed
windows and beat Mr. Risto Santala, the school pastor. Further along
the street the plate glass windows of the Zion Mission shop run by
Reverend William Hall were smashed. All of this was the result of an
editorial in the Jewish newspaper Yediot Aharonot of 23 Dec. 1962
which accused the Christian Mission of converting Jews to
Christianity, and calling on Jews to demonstrate outside the Finnish
School.
Attacks on Christianity-- 1967 & After
The War:
.. Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem shelled by Israeli forces
.. Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem-
Israeli soldiers and youths throw stink bombs into the church
Israelis inappropriately dressed entered the church;
they smoked cigarettes;
they littered the church;
they brought dogs with them
.. Church of the Nativity suffered some of the same desecretions as the
Holy
Sepulchre
.. Israeli forces shot up the Episcopal Cathedral just as they had done
in
1948
.. They smashed the Episcopal school for boys with their tanks
.. Israeli army wrecked and looted the YMCA
.. Israeli army wrecked the Lutheran Hospital, even though it was being
used
by the UN
.. The Lutheran center for cripples was also heavily damaged by the
Israelis
.. In Ramallah (a Christian city near Jerusalem) the Episcopal school
for
girls was fired upon by Israeli forces and some of the girls were
killed
.. The Reverend S.J. Mattar, warden of the Garden Tomb in Jerusalem,
was murdered in his home by Israeli soldiers- without cause according
to witnesses who were also fired upon.
.. The villages of Yalu, Beit Nuba and Emmaus were totally destroyed-
The Jewish writer Amos Kenan who was a soldier in the Israeli army
gave this account to the Jewish magazine Haolem Hazeh:
The unit commander told us that it had been decided to blow up three
villages in our sector; they were Beit-Nuba, Emmaus and Yalu. This was
explained by strategic, tactical and security considerations. At noon
the first bulldozer arrived and pulled down the first house at the
edge of the village. Within ten minutes the house was turned into
rubble. The olive trees and cypresses were all uprooted. After the
destruction of the three houses the first refugee column arrived from
the direction of Ramallah. We told them to go to Beit Sura. They told
us that they were driven out everywhere, forbidden to enter any
village, that they were wandering like this for four days, without
food, without water, some dying on the road. They asked to return to
the village, and said we'd better kill them. Some had a goat, a lamb,
a donkey or a camel. A father ground wheat by hand to feed his four
children. On the horizon we could see the next group arriving. The
children cried. Some of our soldiers started to crying too. We went to
fetch them water. We stopped a car with a major, two captains and a
woman. We took a jerrican of water and distributed it to the
refugees. We also handed out cigarettes and candy. More soldiers burst
out crying. We asked the officers why are these refugees sent from one
place to another and driven out everywhere. They told us this was good
for them. Let them go. Moreover, said the officers, why do you care
about the Arabs anyway. We drove them out. they go on wandering in the
south like lost cattle. The weak die. In the evening we found out we
had been deceived, for in Beit-Sura too, bulldozers commenced
destruction and they were forbidden to enter. We found out that not
only in our sector was the border straightened out for security
reasons but in all sectors. Our unit was outraged. At night we were
ordered to guard the bulldozers, but the unit was so enraged that no
soldier was willing to carry out such duties. None of us understood
how Jews could behave like this. the chickens and doves were buried in
the rubble. the fields were turned into wasteland in front of our
eyes. The children who went on crying on the road will be Fedayeen in
19 years, in the next round. Thus have we lost on that day the
victory.
After the War: 1967--
1972 Arson destroys the bookstore of the Baptist Church in Jerusalem.
The church suffers several attacks per year- usually window breaking.
The bookstore also is a favorite target for vandalism. The chapel had
recently been vandalized by a member of the ultra-right Kach movement.
1974 Two American Jewish girls attempt to set fire to the Baptist
Church bookstore.
1975 A grenade damages the Baptist Church. Slogans were painted on the
Church's property- a common practice in these attacks.
1978 Law against missionaries.
8 Oct. 1982 "Unknown persons" set fire to the Baptist Church in
Jerusalem destroying it. The adjacent church library suffered damage
also.
23 Dec. 1982 "Unknown persons" drew swastikas on the entrances of two
churches in Jerusalem. They also tried to set the two churches on
fire. In addition to the swastikas the word "OUT" was painted on the
entrance of the Notre Dame Church- the second such desecration.
Dec. 1982 Meir Kahane's Kach group burned to the ground a Baptist
church in Jerusalem.
23 May 1983 "Unknown persons" attacked a convent run by German nuns in
Jerusalem. Al-Fajr, a Jerusalem weekly, reported that this was just
the latest incident in a series of many anti-Christian incidents in
Jerusalem.
June 1983 The Mother Superior and another nun of the Russian Orthodox
Church were stabbed to death by an American Jew. In mid-month men
entered the church and threatened the nuns. At another Russian
Orthodox church, directly across the street from Jerusalem's main
police center, swastikas were painted on the main entrance.
Nov. 1983 Father Fawzi Khoury of the Fassouta Roman Catholic Church
was held for weeks without charge.
25 Dec. 1983 A fire was started in the Hotel Nitzan in Tiberias on
Christmas Day. Jews claimed that the hotel is a center for missionary
activity and that various Christian sects are offering clothes,
jewelry and sneakers to Jews who would attend missionary lectures. The
Jerusalem Post noted the incident as one of many such actions
harassing the group; meetings interrupted and photos of the
participants taken and sometimes published later in anti-missionary
tracts; windows smashed; stones tossed into meetings; homes of members
broken into; and converts are often harassed. The owners closed the
hotel and asked the group to leave. The anti-missionary group Yad Le'
Achim and a local yeshiva, Kolel Yad Rambam, seemed to the instigators
of the attacks.
Dec 1983 Explosives placed outside several Christian and Muslim
religious institutions in Jerusalem injured a number of people.
5 Jan. 1984 "Unknown persons" set fire to the Messianic Assemblies
Church in Jerusalem-the latest of a number of arsons and bombings
against Christian and Muslim targets. The church's address had been
placed on copies of Biblical literature later distributed in Orthodox
Jewish circles. The church had nothing to do with the literature to
which its name had been affixed.
15 Jan. 1984 At the Russian Orthodox convent Ain Karem an Israeli army
issue hand grenade exploded as a nun opened her door. The door was
blown to pieces but the nun eluded death by ducking around a corner
just before the grenade exploded. Israeli police point to the terror
group Terror Against Terror group held responsible for at least 14
such bomb attacks throughout the West Bank.
Jan. 1984 Plans to build a Christian hotel near Bethlehem were
scrapped by the Jewish municipality which refused to issue a building
permit.
After the fire meetings are held in tent like structures.
Their rebuilding plan is approved by Mayor Teddy Kollek but in the
fall the district planning commission decided to allow only the
building of a structure similar to the congregation's original 60 seat
chapel built in 1929.
The Church filed suit in Israel's High Court.
Yad Le' Achim organized protests against the rebuilding plans. an
unnamed ultraconservative Orthodox Jewish leader told the Jerusalem
Post that his political party would withdraw from the municipal
coalition if approval were granted.
The High Court in mid 1985 asked the Baptist congregation to leave the
area before it builds a new sanctuary. the court said it would not
rule on the church's suit for two months. The delay is designed to
give the congregation and the Baptist Convention of Israel time to
consider trading the church property for another site in Jerusalem.
Lawyers for the church have recommended that the Baptists move on
condition the church's building will be approved as submitted.
23 Jan. 1985 Ultra-Orthodox Jews protest opposite the Baptist Church
against plans to rebuild the burnt-out church. The signs read: "Get
Out," "We don't want a missionary center here." One demonstrator said:
The Church disrupts the Shabbat peace and lowers the quality of life
in our quiet residential area."
13 Apr. 1985 Members of the Assyrian community (the oldest Christian
community in Jerusalem), led by their archbishop, were walking to
their quarter of the Old City on the occasion of Holy Fire when they
were bombarded with hot water and rocks by a Jewish family from their
home. This was the fifth time an Assyrian procession had been attacked
during Christian holidays. several Assyrian youths ran into the
building to search for the family's apartment. They were met by Jewish
residents aiming cocked submachine guns at them. Israeli police with
the procession fired into the air to prevent the youths from being
gunned down. The Jerusalem Post reported that the attackers were newly
converted Orthodox Jews from America. Israeli police were more
interested in ascertaining the identities of the Assyrian youths who
rushed into the building than in those who attacked the procession.
The Jewish neighborhood in the vicinity of the Assyrian convent is all
Assyrian property confiscated after 1967 to build the Jewish quarter.
Aug. 1986 Grenade thrown at an Arab family's house.
Oct. 1986 An Arab school was broken into and racist slogans painted on
the walls.
12 Apr. 1987 "Unknown persons" set fire to St. Savior's Episcopal
Church in Akka. The arsonists also painted racists slogans in Hebrew
on the church walls: "Kahane the Great," "Get Out Christians and
Muslims, " and Death to the Pope." The statement of the church:
"No doubt this event . . . took place in the absence of any deterring
force to stop such racial and undesirable acts. this aggression is an
aggression against spiritual values, against freedom of worship, and
against democracy."
1988 In Gaza, 18-year old Kader Tarazi, on his way to but groceries
was caught in a crowd fleeing Israeli soldiers. He ducked into the
house of a friend but the soldiers dragged him out. While beating him
they demanded to know his religion. when he replied "Christian" the
soldiers spread him cruciform on the hood of a jeep and beat him on
the head. Then they drove him around the streets of Gaza for hours as
an example. He died from the beatings.
Statement of the Heads of the Christian Community in Jerusalem
We, the heads of the Christian communities in the Holy City, have met
together in view of the grave situation prevailing in Jerusalem and
the whole of our country.
It is our Christian conviction that as spiritual leaders we have an
urgent duty to follow up the developments in this situation and to
make known to the world the conditions of life of our people here in
the Holy Land.
In Jerusalem, on the West Bank and in Gaza, our people experience in
their daily lives constant deprivation of their fundamental rights
because on arbitrary actions deliberately taken by the authorities.
Our people are often subject to unprovoked harassment and hardship.
We are particularly concerned by the tragic and unnecessary loss of
Palestinian lives, especially among minors. Unarmed and innocent
people are being killed by the unwarranted use of firearms and
hundreds are wounded by the excessive use of force.
We protest against the frequent shooting incidents in the vicinity of
Holy Places.
We also condemn the practice of mass administrative arrests and of
continuing detention of adults and minors without trial.
We further condemn the use of all forms of collective punishment,
including the demolition of homes and depriving whole communities of
basic services such as water and electricity.
We appeal to the world community to support our demand for the
reopening of schools and universities, closed for the past sixteen
months, so that thousands of our children can enjoy again their basic
right to education.
We demand that the authorities respect the rights of believers to
enjoy free access to all places of worship on the Holy Days of all
religions.
We affirm our human solidarity and sympathy with al who are suffering
and oppressed; we pray for the return of peace based on justice to
Jerusalem and the Holy Land; and we request the international
community and the United Nations Organization to give urgent attention
to the plight of the Palestinian people and to work for a speedy and
just resolution of the Palestinian problem.
Signed 27 April 1989 by: H.B. Diodoros (Greek Orthodox Patriarch);
H.B.
Michel Sabbah (Latin Patriarch); Bishop Samir Kafity (Episcopal
Church);
Archbishop Lufti Laham (Greek Catholic Patriarchate); H.B. Yeghishe
Derderian (Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate); Bishop Naim Nassar
(Evangelical Luthern Church in Jordan); H.B. Basilios (Coptic Orthodox
Patriarche);
Archbishop Dionysios Behnam Jijjawi (Syrian Orthodox Patriarchal
Vicar);
Most Rev. Father Cechitelli (O.F.M.) (Cusios of the Holy Land).
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22 May 1995 An Israeli soldier sprayed the inside of St. Anthony's
church in Jaffa with automatic weapon fire. Seven people were injured
outside the church in clashes between police and Arab residents. The
gunman fired hundreds of bullets with an M-16 assault weapon and threw
several concussion grenades. When he began firing those inside fled
and no one was injured. However, paintings, statues, pews and walls
were heavily damaged or destroyed.
Christian Symbols Under Attack:
"Dishonoring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in
Judaism. Spitting on the cross, and especially on the Crucifix, and
spitting when a Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from around
AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic
hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their
rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be
unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or
openly before the church. The increasing strength of the Jewish state
has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be
no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity
to Judaism, organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli
government is an act of traditional Jewish piety. It does not cease to
be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary,
it is worse because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as
well, just as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous,
because in part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.
This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for Christian symbols has
grown in Israel. In the 1950s Israel issued a series of stamps
representing pictures of Israeli cities. In the picture of Nazareth,
there was a church and on its top a cross-almost invisible, perhaps
the size of a millimeter. Nevertheless, the religious parties,
supported by many on the Zionist "left" made a scandal and the stamps
were quickly withdrawn and replaced by an almost identical series from
which the microscopic cross was withdrawn.
Then there was the long-drawn-out battle about Christian influence in
elementary arithmetic. Pious Jews object to the international plus
sign for it is a cross, and it may in their opinion, influence little
children to convert to Christianity, Another "explanation" holds: it
would then be difficult to "educate" them to spit on the cross, if
they become used to it in their arithmetic exercises. Until the early
1970s two different sets of arithmetic books were used in Israel. One
for the secular schools, employing the inverted "T" sign. In the early
70s the religious fanatics "converted" the Labour Party to the great
danger of the cross in arithmetic, and from that time, in all Hebrew
elementary schools (and now many high schools as well) the
international plus sign has been forbidden.
Similar development is visible in other areas of education> Teaching
the New Testament was always forbidden, but in the old times
conscientious teachers of history used to circumvent the prohibition,
by organizing seminars or sending the students to libraries (not the
school libraries, of course). About 10 years ago there was a wave of
denouncing such teachers. One in Jerusalem was almost sacked, for
advising her history pupils, who were studying the history of Jews in
Palestine around 30-40 AD, that it would be a god thing if they would
read a few chapters of the New Testament as a historical aid. She
retained her post only after humbly promising not to do this again.
However, in recent years, anti-Christian feelings are literally
exploding in Israel (and among the Israel-worshipping Jews in Diaspora
too) together with the increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other
areas.
The worse enemies of the truth here, as in many other aspects of the
Israel reality, are the socialist, "liberals," "radicals," etc. in the
USA. Imagine the reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as
The Nation and New York Review of Books, not to mention The New York
Times if in any state whatsoever, the government financed spitting on
the Star of David? But when here in Israel, the government finances
the spitting on a cross, they are and will continue to be, quite
silent. More than this, they help to finance it. United States
taxpayers, who are of course mostly Christians, are financing at least
half the Israeli budget, one way or another, and therefore the
spitting on the cross too."
Statement by Israel Shahak,
Tourism:
1967- The Tourism Ministry begins its policy of granting guide
licenses only to Jewish Israelis.
1978- Israeli Government now requires all tour groups to be
accompanied by a licensed guide.
Result- The movement and experiences of Christian pilgrims are now
closely controlled by Jewish Israeli guides. These guides use this
control to propagandize subordinating Christian history to Jewish
history. Tour groups stay in West Jerusalem and are advised to stay
clear of the Christian Palestinians of East Jerusalem because they are
"terrorists." Denying Christian Palestinians tour guide licenses also
aids in the destabilization of the Palestinian economy. Guiding
pilgrims has been a traditional occupation among the native Christians
in the Holy Land for centuries.
This compilation was made possible by the monumental work of Issa
Nakhleh and published in his two volume work Encyclopedia of the
Palestine Problem.
See also the statements of the different relgious leaders on:
1) http://www.al-bushra.org/hedchrch/0hdchrch.htm
2) http://www.al-bushra.org/Religious/world.html
3) http://www.al-bushra.org/vatican/0vatican.htm
4) http://www.al-bushra.org/temp/uscath.htm
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
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16 Sep 2006 11:37:39 AM |
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Next time put his fucking lights out...he'll think he's back in Baghdad.
As usual...
ROFLMAO!
<awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158357415.702556.264950@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
KODIAK wrote:
"Captain Compassion" wrote:
Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
YEP. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ***** OFF A RAGHEAD THESE DAYS. I BUMPED MY
SHOPPING CART INTO ONE OF THEM THE OTHER DAY AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT I
JUST
PISSED ON HIS COPY OF THE KORAN.
- KODIAK
Hit 'em harder next time.
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15 Sep 2006 05:08:38 PM |
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KODIAK wrote:
"Captain Compassion" wrote:
Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
YEP. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ***** OFF A RAGHEAD THESE DAYS. I BUMPED MY
SHOPPING CART INTO ONE OF THEM THE OTHER DAY AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT I JUST
PISSED ON HIS COPY OF THE KORAN.
- KODIAK
P.S. Where I live there are a fair number of Muslim women who dress
like the slaves of the Middle East. On more than one occasion in the
grocery store, we've approached from opposite directions. They like to
gradually push their cart so that it takes up more of the aisle until
you must 'submit' to moving off to the side.
I refuse to submit. On a couple of occasions, they've had to suddenly
readjust their approach at the last second. Oh, they do get miffed! Or
they realize that homey don't play. I look'em right in the eye to let
them know not to mess with me. Their arrogance is quite apparent. And
you can bet that they would NEVER try the same tactic on a Muslim man.
If you want to know why I don't confront Muslim men the same
way...Muslim men in this town don't push shopping carts.
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| User: "" |
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15 Sep 2006 05:05:09 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Muslim fury grows at Pope's speech
The furore over comments made by Pope Benedict about the Islamic
concept of Holy War continues to grow. Today British Muslims joined
in, fiercely criticising his remarks.
The irony, of course, is not lost on anyone about the indignation being
taken against the perceived revival of the Crusades mentality when
ill-mention (subjunctive, no less) was made of the Islamic parallel
concept of the "Crescades" (i.e. Jihad).
The very concept Jihad is as offensive to the rest of the planet as
Crusades is to the world of Islam -- if not more. Sure it has laudable
precepts in the teachings of the religions and non-violent connotation
.... precisely as the concept of the Crusades does and did. And its dark
side is just as prevalent.
Witness how the world of Islam takes umbrage at the speck in its
neighbors' eye (the "Crusades") while ignoring the beam in its own (the
"jihad").
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15 Sep 2006 02:55:25 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Muslim fury grows at Pope's speech
Last updated at 13:42pm on 15th September 2006
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_art=
icle_id=3D405238&in_page_id=3D1811&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEW=
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Muslim activists burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI during a protest
in Srinagar, India.
The furore over comments made by Pope Benedict about the Islamic
concept of Holy War continues to grow. Today British Muslims joined
in, fiercely criticising his remarks.
The pontiff was accused of falling into "the trap of bigots and
racists" with the comments he made on a visit to Germany.
=B7 Muslims must do more to integrate, says Archbishop
Last night Vatican officials were scrambling to defend the comments,
saying the Pope had never intended to offend Muslims.
During a speech, he quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor who said
the prophet Mohammed had brought "things only evil and inhuman".
But Britain's Ramadhan Foundation, a youth organisation based in
Rochdale, reacted angrily to the comments, comparing the Pope
unfavourably to his predecessor John Paul II.
In a statement it said: "If the Pope wanted to attack Islam and
Prophet Muhammad teachings he could have been brave enough to say it
personally without quoting a 14th century Byzantine Christian emperor.
"The late Pope John Paul II spent over 25 years to build bridges and
links with the Muslim community. He showed the world that its
perception of Islam was false and that we are peace-loving people.
"The Ramadhan Foundation is disappointed that the current Pope has not
followed the example of his predecessor; it is essential in today's
world that we link together and encourage a wider understanding of our
different faiths, celebrating our religious differences is essential
in a ever expanding world."
Muhammad Umar, chairman of the foundation, said: "This attack on Islam
and Prophet Muhammad by Pope Benedict is recognition that he has
fallen into the trap of the bigots and racists when it comes to
judging Islam on the actions of a small number of extreme elements."
The Pope's speech quoted from a book recounting a conversation between
14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an
educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam.
"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the
Pope said.
"He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new,
and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his
command to spread by the sword the faith he preached'."
Benedict described the phrases on Islam as "brusque", while neither
explicitly agreeing with nor repudiating them.
Pakistan's parliament condemned the "derogatory" remarks today and
demanded an apology. The country's foreign ministry said they were
"regrettable" and claimed they would encourage violence.
Vatican spokesman the Rev Federico Lombardi issued a statement
defending the speech after Pope Benedict returned to Rome. "It
certainly wasn't the intention of the Pope to carry out a deep
examination of jihad (holy war) and on Muslim thought on it, much less
to offend the sensibility of Muslim believers," he said.
He insisted that the pontiff wanted to "cultivate an attitude of
respect and dialogue toward the other religions and cultures,
obviously also toward Islam".
But Turkey's top Islamic cleric Ali Bardakoglu asked Benedict to
apologise and made a string of accusations against Christianity,
raising tensions ahead of a planned papal visit to the country in
November.
He said he was deeply offended by the remarks and called them
"extraordinarily worrying, saddening and unfortunate".
The 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference, based in Jeddah,
Saudi Arabia, said it regretted "the Pope's quote and for the other
falsifications". Militant Islamic websites also attacked the Pope.
Bravo, Pope Benedict.
We'll have to wait and see how many assassinations and Catholic
churches get burned to the ground because some Muslims heard some words
they didn't like.
And isn't it interesting how slow the rapid-fire complainers previously
responded to the cartoon contest designed to insult Jews. Nor was there
outrage at such things as the beheading of Nicholas Berg and the wanton
slaughter on 9/11...other than the dancing with glee in the streets.
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15 Sep 2006 05:35:03 PM |
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I'd say they were in a "fury" long before the Pope's speech
How do you reason with this ?
Click here: http://www.youtube.com/v/-HlaVpqUXF0
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