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25 Nov 2005 03:31:02 PM |
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Muslim Terrorists Put Bombs into Toys |
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
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25 Nov 2005 04:07:02 PM |
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Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Iraqi kids have not done well these past 15 or so years. They have
suffered greatly under the sanctions, many were killed during the
invasion and current occupation, and our cluster bombs will keep killing
them for years to come: "Unexploded bombs from cluster bombs pose an
ongoing threat to civilians – particularly children‚ who sometimes
mistake the brightly colored bombs for toys."
http://www.thereporteronline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13446827&BRD=2275&PAG=461&dept_id=466404&rfi=8
or http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2DF1473C
Praised be Allah that the incorruptible Iraqi Army is telling us about
these dolls.
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| User: ". T James" |
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25 Nov 2005 08:53:39 PM |
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In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Iraqi kids have not done well these past 15 or so years.
Ain't you one of them liberals? I understand that you have no moral compass,
and thus won't let a lie keep you from the objective of scoring political
points. Your spin on the "children" falls flat, unbelievable. Hey look!
Schools! Hey look! Hospitals! Hey look! Milk and honey! All thanks to
us, despite the best efforts of a brutal dictator to deny them their
humanity.
No Iraqi child's mother has been raped by Saddam or his two dead sons, nor has
any of their fathers been tortured or killed by Saddam or his two dead
sons, since the shock and awe of the US Military toppled Saddam's regime
and killed his two thuggish sons. The regime has been dismantled,
democracy is abound, freedom, security, and incrementally--full blown peace,
is the order of an Iraqi's day.
This was made possible by the clear vision and resolve of President Bush
and all that supported him. You weak-kneed liberals couldn't have been
successful leading a fight against that which you abhor: freedom. You
sound like a yapping chihuahua, all yap.
--
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"The Purpose and Limits of Government,"
by Roger Pilon, 1999 (PDF, screen optimized, 256 kb)
http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletters/cl-13.pdf
(Hardcopy $1.00, call 800-767-1241)
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| User: "SgtMinor" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Terrorists Put Bombs into Toys |
25 Nov 2005 10:40:02 PM |
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T James wrote:
In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Iraqi kids have not done well these past 15 or so years.
Ain't you one of them liberals? I understand that you have no moral compass,
and thus won't let a lie keep you from the objective of scoring political
points. Your spin on the "children" falls flat, unbelievable. Hey look!
Schools! Hey look! Hospitals! Hey look! Milk and honey! All thanks to
us, despite the best efforts of a brutal dictator to deny them their
humanity.
Those who attack what they perceive as a liberal position frequently
personalize those attacks. Suddenly the poster has "no moral compass"
and will use lies to support his arguments. I have no idea what lie I
am supposed to be basing my position on, or what "spin" you may have
found in my post.
No Iraqi child's mother has been raped by Saddam or his two dead sons, nor has
any of their fathers been tortured or killed by Saddam or his two dead
sons, since the shock and awe of the US Military toppled Saddam's regime
and killed his two thuggish sons. The regime has been dismantled,
democracy is abound, freedom, security, and incrementally--full blown peace,
is the order of an Iraqi's day.
Not only has the regime been dismantled, but so has a great deal of the
country's infrastructure. Terrorist attacks keep occurring more
frequently and living in Iraq has become increasingly dangerous for the
population at large. Whatever shock and awe we once brought to the
table has melted. The "enemy" seems to move about the country without
much difficulty, and the world's most powerful military appears
handcuffed, unable to provide security on the road to the airport. The
majority of Iraqis want us to leave and the government has stated that
fighting against and killing our troops is not terrorism. If we're
making progress you have to wonder what our goal is.
This was made possible by the clear vision and resolve of President Bush
and all that supported him. You weak-kneed liberals couldn't have been
successful leading a fight against that which you abhor: freedom. You
sound like a yapping chihuahua, all yap.
I don't think that the act of sending young men and women to die in
battle, even for a good reason, is brave. And that applies even more
when the person doing the sending avoided combat himself. And it's real
hard to get freedom by the invasion, occupation, and physical
destruction of a sovereign country. That hardly ever works out.
Let's see how much water this toy story holds. We've been told so many
lies about Iraq and by Iraqis that a healthy dose of skepticism is
warranted.
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| User: ". T James" |
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25 Nov 2005 11:51:09 PM |
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In article <KtKdnSnZ1ru8ehrenZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
T James wrote:
In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
<SNIP>
Let's see how much water this toy story holds. We've been told so many
lies about Iraq and by Iraqis that a healthy dose of skepticism is
warranted.
There you go again Chiuhauha. Along with the annoying yap, you demonstrate
your willingness to be dishonest. It ain't skepticism, it's called
"destructive criticism". It's a pre-determined response to all you oppose,
regardless of merit. It's rooted in the left's "Critical Theory" strategy for
obtaining power; purely destructive criticism without providing your own
alternative plan or running and hiding with a "heh heh just kidding" when
called to commit to your sick suggestions:
(http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2005&rollnumber=608 ).
"Let's see how much water this toy story holds" to you
means "how much political damage can we inflict on the otherwise
flawless foriegn policy conducted by Republicans?"
It's forgone that regardless of the circumstances of the economy, the war,
the "environment", etc.; your sick ideology is out of power,
and you'll be putting a negative spin on anything and everything, hoping it
will create a negative perception and a sense of needed change to
the mythical wavering voter.
I've noticed this general strategy by the left since getting your asses
handed to you by the work of the American people in '94.
Please do keep a'yappin!
http://www.club100.yaf.org/freedom_week/FreedomWeek2.pdf
--
..
"The Purpose and Limits of Government,"
by Roger Pilon, 1999 (PDF, screen optimized, 256 kb)
http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletters/cl-13.pdf
(Hardcopy $1.00, call 800-767-1241)
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| User: "SgtMinor" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim Terrorists Put Bombs into Toys |
26 Nov 2005 12:20:01 PM |
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T James wrote:
In article <KtKdnSnZ1ru8ehrenZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
T James wrote:
In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
<SNIP>
Let's see how much water this toy story holds. We've been told so many
lies about Iraq and by Iraqis that a healthy dose of skepticism is
warranted.
There you go again Chiuhauha.
Some day, when you can argue without name calling, I may respond to you.
And, BTW, it's spelled Chihuahua
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| User: "TUKA" |
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26 Nov 2005 11:34:22 AM |
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On 2005-11-26, SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
T James wrote:
In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Iraqi kids have not done well these past 15 or so years.
Ain't you one of them liberals? I understand that you have no moral compass,
and thus won't let a lie keep you from the objective of scoring political
points. Your spin on the "children" falls flat, unbelievable. Hey look!
Schools! Hey look! Hospitals! Hey look! Milk and honey! All thanks to
us, despite the best efforts of a brutal dictator to deny them their
humanity.
Those who attack what they perceive as a liberal position frequently
personalize those attacks. Suddenly the poster has "no moral compass"
and will use lies to support his arguments. I have no idea what lie I
am supposed to be basing my position on, or what "spin" you may have
found in my post.
The spin comes from the lack of comment on the issue at hand (bombs
in toys) and the immediate deflection to things which attempt to
blame the west and minimize or ignore the faults of the Arabs. It
is all you can do, of course, because the moral ground you defend
is nothing but shiftless sands.
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I don't want to get to the end of my life and find I have just
lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as
well. -- Diane Ackerman
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| User: "SgtMinor" |
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26 Nov 2005 12:26:42 PM |
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TUKA wrote:
On 2005-11-26, SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
T James wrote:
In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Iraqi kids have not done well these past 15 or so years.
Ain't you one of them liberals? I understand that you have no moral compass,
and thus won't let a lie keep you from the objective of scoring political
points. Your spin on the "children" falls flat, unbelievable. Hey look!
Schools! Hey look! Hospitals! Hey look! Milk and honey! All thanks to
us, despite the best efforts of a brutal dictator to deny them their
humanity.
Those who attack what they perceive as a liberal position frequently
personalize those attacks. Suddenly the poster has "no moral compass"
and will use lies to support his arguments. I have no idea what lie I
am supposed to be basing my position on, or what "spin" you may have
found in my post.
The spin comes from the lack of comment on the issue at hand (bombs
in toys) and the immediate deflection to things which attempt to
blame the west and minimize or ignore the faults of the Arabs. It
is all you can do, of course, because the moral ground you defend
is nothing but shiftless sands.
The story itself is spin, more than likely. I will doubt it until it's
confirmed by credible sources.
And even if it were found to be true, it's anecdotal and not
representative of anything. If one of our soldiers happens to shoot a
child, does that make the entire military a baby-killing machine?
Many of "the Arabs" whose faults you want me to focus on are defending
their country against an unwanted invader.
Try to keep things in perspective.
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| User: "TUKA" |
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26 Nov 2005 11:48:27 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to talk.politics.mideast.]
On 2005-11-26, SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
TUKA wrote:
On 2005-11-26, SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
T James wrote:
In article <i7idnSCf0NOYFhreRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid says...
Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Iraqi kids have not done well these past 15 or so years.
Ain't you one of them liberals? I understand that you have no moral compass,
and thus won't let a lie keep you from the objective of scoring political
points. Your spin on the "children" falls flat, unbelievable. Hey look!
Schools! Hey look! Hospitals! Hey look! Milk and honey! All thanks to
us, despite the best efforts of a brutal dictator to deny them their
humanity.
Those who attack what they perceive as a liberal position frequently
personalize those attacks. Suddenly the poster has "no moral compass"
and will use lies to support his arguments. I have no idea what lie I
am supposed to be basing my position on, or what "spin" you may have
found in my post.
The spin comes from the lack of comment on the issue at hand (bombs
in toys) and the immediate deflection to things which attempt to
blame the west and minimize or ignore the faults of the Arabs. It
is all you can do, of course, because the moral ground you defend
is nothing but shiftless sands.
The story itself is spin, more than likely. I will doubt it until it's
confirmed by credible sources.
What do you consider credible? Al-Jazeera?
And even if it were found to be true, it's anecdotal and not
representative of anything. If one of our soldiers happens to shoot a
child, does that make the entire military a baby-killing machine?
So many would have us believe.
Many of "the Arabs" whose faults you want me to focus on are defending
their country against an unwanted invader.
???? You are addled. All they have to do is have peace break out for
6 months and the US can do naught but leave. Their "defense" is keeping
the US there.
Try to keep things in perspective.
Your perspective? No thanks -- I am not interested in a perspective
where "defense" is random bombing, and "defenders" kill the people they
are defending.
--
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. -- ***** Feynman
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| User: "Independant" |
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27 Nov 2005 11:32:26 AM |
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Charles Farley wrote:
Agence France-Presse
November 24, 2005
Iraq seizes booby-trapped toys
Baghdad -- The Iraqi army said on Thursday it had seized a number of
booby-trapped children's dolls, accusing insurgents of using the
explosive-filled toys to target children.
The dolls were found in a car, each one containing a grenade or other
explosive, said an army statement.
The government said that two men driving the car had been arrested in
western Baghdad.
"This is the same type of doll as that handed out on several occasions
by US soldiers to children," said government spokesperson Leith Kubba.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1840119,00.html
Maybe they were just trying to compete with a major toy maker like
Irving Mainway. Especially his big sellers like Bag O' Glass and Johnny
Switchblade Punk action figure.
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26 Nov 2005 06:16:25 PM |
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How To Explain American Apathy Over Israeli Killings of Palestinian
Children?
By Stephen J. Sosebee
July 1991, Page 24
Nothing has deepened the collective despair that is life in
Palestine today more than the killing of children, nor has any one
dimension produced greater anger and fuel for the intifada. Though it
may be so common now that it is hardly noticed in Israel, every
injured or dead child is mourned by the 1.7 million Palestinians
resisting occupation.
"They steal our land, imprison our leaders, and deny us our flag
and peace, but we will forgive them when we have our state, " said the
father of Said, a boy killed in Rafah. "But to keep shooting our
children; this I cannot forgive..."
A week after Said's death, his 19-year-old brother was also
killed by IDF troops in Rafah.
Some places in Palestine seem to have become Israeli free-fire
zones for children. In the Shatti refugee camp in Gaza, for example,
10 of the 19 civilians shot dead by the IDF during the uprising have
been under 16 years of age. Among them were three girls, a 3-year-old,
a 6-year-old and a 1 0-year-old, all shot to death within a
three-month period at the end of 1989.
"Do the Israelis think that by shooting our children they can
make us submit?" asks Ahmed, a Shatti resident. "Is it supposed to cow
us or lessen our resolve? Every new martyr confirms again to all why
we must rid ourselves of this occupation."
While the blood of Palestinian children obviously seems cheap to
the Israeli soldiers spilling it, Palestinian parents are at a loss to
understand how the Israeli public justifies and the American public
ignores the killing of their children.
"When my son was killed the entire camp defied the curfew and
beatings to pay him respect," says the mother of Bassani, a
12-year-old killed by an Israeli Defense Forces sniper while tending
sheep during the curfew last February. "The people know his blood is
for Palestine and they supported us during our pain and loss. There is
no greater sacrifice than to lose your child, and there is nothing
greater to sacrifice for than your freedom and country. Still, it
hurts so."
Whether American correspondents are to blame, or whether the
fault lies with dishonest editors, US newspapers are not informing the
American public concerning the frequency with which Palestinian
children have been killed by Israeli soldiers over the past four
years. From Dec. 12, 1990 to April 1, 199 1, for example, 14
Palestinian children under the age of 16 were shot dead. During the
same period of time in the first year of the intifada, 15 kids were
killed by gunfire. In all, 239 children have been killed by Israeli
forces during the uprising, while more than 55,000 more have been
seriously wounded.
"What is the most disturbing fact about the numbers concerning
injured children is that the soldiers don't seem to care who is in the
sight at the end of their rifles when they pull the trigger," says Dr.
Adnan Marshoud, a physician at Shifa Hospital in Gaza. "To most of
them, we must be animals, not living and breathing human beings. They
don't consider that we love our children, or the pain and anger that
burns us when our children are killed or injured."
According to UNRWA statistics compiled just in the Gaza Strip
from the start of the intifada to the first of March this year, 19,715
children under the age of 15 required medical attention due to IDF
acts of violence. Of these, 2,590 were wounded by live ammunition, not
rubber bullets.
"What do they say in America to justify shooting our children?"
is perhaps the most common question asked of foreigners in Palestine.
Always, I wonder if "they don't know" can really be an acceptable
answer.
Rivaling the absolute evil in any situation in which soldiers
kill unarmed civilians (not to mention children) are the tactics of
hard-line supporters of present Israeli government policies. It defies
logic to claim moral superiority and refuse to talk with the PLO
because it is just a "terrorist organization," while Israeli troops
continue to entrap and shoot children on a rather consistent basis.
Even more sickening is the hypocrisy displayed by all sides of
Israel's political establishment, as if Israel's leaders are not
really responsible for the acts that take place on the ground in
Palestine. How is it Defense Minister Moshe Arens can call the Arabs
"an uncivilized people" who "don't value human life, " when Israeli
troops have killed dozens and maimed hundreds of children just in the
period he has been minister of defense. Is he really such a hypocrite,
or does he truly think the circumstances and manner in which his
troops have shot children indiscriminately go unnoticed?
And who can still believe Yossi Sarid, a left-wing politican
from the "peace camp, " when he writes that the "stray bullets" that
"find" Palestinian children "pierced our hearts as well"? Leaders with
"pierced hearts" would demand that their own children stop the
slaughter in which more than 10,000 Palestinian children have been
shot over a four-year period.
Four years is enough time for both Israelis and Palestinians to
contemplate the directions in which they are heading, and to alter
their course if it involves acts for which they do not wish to be held
responsible.
Zion has decided that land is of greater value than the lives of
those living on it. For its part, the occupied population has pledged
not to submit to foreign domination, whatever the costs and suffering.
Thus, it seems the unequal relationship that has spilled so much
needless blood is to continue to be one based on domination and
hatred. And, unless Israelis come to their senses, or Americans refuse
to further condone their actions, the killing of Palestinian children
will continue unabated.
Stephen J. Sosebee is a free-lance writer who divides his time
between Ohio and occupied Palestine.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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