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"Leonard Pulver" |
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25 Nov 2003 01:19:27 PM |
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Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam |
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ¯ and growing ¯ problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
By Barbara Amiel
LONDON ¯ The veins of living humans show a blue tinge,
characteristic of de-oxygenated blood coursing towards
the heart. In life, all humans spill red blood and a
lot is made out of this in literature. A lot less is
made out of the fact that, when incinerated, all human
beings turn into a grey-white ash, indistinguishable
from that of incinerated buildings. That ash covered
the pavements and the gardens - so carefully cultivated
by the wife of the dead British Consul-General - around
the British diplomatic mission in Istanbul last
Thursday.
The single most important lesson to be learnt from the
events in Turkey is the obvious one, and it is a lesson
for Muslims. Namely, that they have as much to fear
from militant Islam and its Islamist dictators and
strongmen as does the West - if not more. Whether it is
the depredations of the Taliban in Afghanistan or the
murderous militants in Algeria, it is clear that the
greatest enemy Muslim societies have are the extremists
in their midst: Ba'athists, fundamentalists and the
so-called "political Islamists". This is a battle for
the soul of Islam. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict may
be fruit on the tree of hate, but it is not its trunk,
nor its branches nor that "root" so often invoked.
I think it was the great Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis
who first had the notion, but Daniel Pipes coined the
sentence: "If the problem is militant Islam, the
solution is moderate Islam." This plain insight is a
lesson often pointed out, but so far not learnt. Even
if the West does learn it, that alone would not prevent
what happened in Istanbul. It is Muslim societies that
have to learn and genuinely understand that virtually
all the suffering they have endured over the past 30
years has come from the home-grown extremists within.
Western societies can only protect themselves against
militant Islam. They cannot provide a remedy for it.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the poverty of Africa
and the scourge of Aids are not the reasons for the
bombings in Bali or the blowing up of churches by
militant Islamists in Pakistan. The sufferings of the
Middle East and Africa are not a flea in the ear of
militant Islam.
Militant Islam has a number of strands, but it has a
straightforward ideology. First, to turn all Muslim
societies into Islamic theocracies and then to conquer
the world. Blatantly wanting to conquer the world has
been out of fashion for a while - unless you count the
attempt of Karl Marx's followers to put the proletariat
(in reality, the party's cadres) in charge of it. But
for the Islamists, world domination is a perfectly real
goal.
The notion that the ills of the Muslim world can be
cured and the glory, dominance and power of the early
Muslim caliphates can be recaptured by returning to
Sharia law and some real or imagined past, puts the
fundamentalists squarely up against Muslim reformists
wanting to go forward. No doubt the reformists are the
majority of Muslims in the West, but they seem
intimidated or curiously passive.
The Muslim organizations in Britain are an example of
this. Of the two main umbrella organizations, it is the
Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) that is viewed as the
home of moderate leadership. The MCB hosted a party
attended by the Prime Minister and Cherie Blair, at
which Cherie famously wore her "shalwar kameez". The
British Board of Deputies, made up of Jewish leaders,
chose the MCB as an ecumenical partner. And on
September 29, 2001, the MCB "convened a special meeting
of imams [leaders] and ulama [scholars] É to discuss
the events ofSeptember 11 in the United States of
America and their aftermath".
After the meeting, the MCB issued a statement
deploring the attacks of September 11. This was widely
greeted as a demonstration of domestic Muslim
moderation. That statement bears reading. In fact, it
condemns September 11 and the bombing of al-Qa'eda and
the Taliban in Afghanistan equally and in the same
terms - which translates into no condemnation of
September 11 at all.
Essentially, the statement was an example of the
verbal gymnastics of people trying to reconcile their
emotional support of militant Islam with their own
standing as respectable moderates.
Ultimately, the MCB is as ideological as the Muslim
Association of Britain, which gets its inspiration from
the radical Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Association
of Britain co-sponsors the "Stop the War" marches and
equates George W. Bush with Saddam Hussein. One never
knows how representative these sorts of organizations
are and I would hazard a totally unscientific guess
that their extreme views represent less than 20 per
cent of British Muslims, if that. But small comfort. I
know of no recognized Muslim leader or Muslim
organization in Britain speaking out publicly on behalf
of Western democracies or the war on terror - or, as
importantly, against militant Islam in all its
manifestations. Any statement has to be hedged with
moral equivalence.
Perhaps the MCB means well and simply lacks courage or
intelligence, or perhaps it has been hijacked. But no
matter. Without any organized opposition to these views
by moderate Muslims, the danger is apparent. A radical
minority can take over a country or a faith. Minorities
were more than sufficient to turn entire societies into
Communist or Nazi tyrannies. The last free elections in
eastern Europe after the war gave the communist party
only between 10 and 20 per cent of the vote. Hitler
took power with the support of one out of three
Germans.
In Britain we have our own problems. We have created
all sorts of human rights laws and regulators, busy
making sure that racial jokes are prohibited and that
people who use unpleasant adjectives that "poison" the
workplace are hauled up before tribunals. But we seem
unable to jail or deport people who incite terrorism -
or who incite British people to disregard existing
British laws when they conflict with Islamic law.
Compromising justice for even the best purpose is a
route to be avoided, but if the laws to rid ourselves
of radical Islamists such as Sheikh Bakri Muhammad or
Abu Hamza are insufficient, surely we could amend them
or promulgate new ones without compromising anything?
Foreign Office minister Denis MacShane was roundly
censured last week by Muslim organizations when he told
them to choose between the "British way" of political
dialogue and Islamic terrorism. Some of that outrage, I
suppose, comes from those who have a legitimate fear
that, if you keep invoking a peril, such as the clash
of civilizations, you will make it a self-fulfilling
prophecy.
But there is a parallel fallacy and it is that of
closing one's eyes to the devil that has already been
invoked. The question can be legitimately asked: how
many British consuls need to be blown up in Turkey
before Britain decides to stop appeasing the devil on
its own doorstep?
Barbara Amiel is a columnist with London's Daily
Telegraph,
© 2003, Barbara Amiel
Posted by Permission
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25 Nov 2003 03:48:27 PM |
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"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net...
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ? and growing ? problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
The other day someone in this group suggested that the United States might
become a military dictatorship if their was another large-scale attack on an
American city:
"Meanwhile, NewsMax reports "retired" general Tommy Franks as saying he
doubts the US constitution will survive a WMD attack with large
casualties. It would be replaced with a military form of government.
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20185048.shtml"
I suggested that this might happen if for instance a small nuclear device
was exploded in an American city.
If that were ever to take place Muslims would have plenty to fear, both
militant ones and moderate ones.
Personally I believe this is a likely scenario of things to come.
Amos
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| User: "Leonard Pulver" |
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25 Nov 2003 10:14:20 PM |
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Amos wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net...
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ? and growing ? problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
The other day someone in this group suggested that the United States might
become a military dictatorship if their was another large-scale attack on an
American city:
"Meanwhile, NewsMax reports "retired" general Tommy Franks as saying he
doubts the US constitution will survive a WMD attack with large
casualties. It would be replaced with a military form of government.
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20185048.shtml"
Somehow I doubt the accuracy of that report. Probably
edited out of context
I suggested that this might happen if for instance a small nuclear device
was exploded in an American city.
If that were ever to take place Muslims would have plenty to fear, both
militant ones and moderate ones.
Personally I believe this is a likely scenario of things to come.
Amos
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| User: "Amos" |
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26 Nov 2003 03:58:24 AM |
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"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> schreef in bericht
news:3FC427E5.189D673@gta.igs.net...
Amos wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net...
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ? and growing ? problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
The other day someone in this group suggested that the United States
might
become a military dictatorship if their was another large-scale attack
on an
American city:
"Meanwhile, NewsMax reports "retired" general Tommy Franks as saying he
doubts the US constitution will survive a WMD attack with large
casualties. It would be replaced with a military form of government.
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20185048.shtml"
Somehow I doubt the accuracy of that report. Probably
edited out of context
Possibly, but the events described may still take place, whether Franks said
this or not.
Amos
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| User: "Leonard Pulver" |
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26 Nov 2003 09:13:07 AM |
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Amos wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> schreef in bericht
news:3FC427E5.189D673@gta.igs.net...
Amos wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net...
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ? and growing ? problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
The other day someone in this group suggested that the United States
might
become a military dictatorship if their was another large-scale attack
on an
American city:
"Meanwhile, NewsMax reports "retired" general Tommy Franks as saying he
doubts the US constitution will survive a WMD attack with large
casualties. It would be replaced with a military form of government.
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20185048.shtml"
Somehow I doubt the accuracy of that report. Probably
edited out of context
Possibly, but the events described may still take place, whether Franks said
this or not.
The attack is possible the rest highly improbable
except in the minds of revisionists, conspiracy
theorists and usenet k00ks.
Take your pick.
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| User: "nobody" |
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25 Nov 2003 07:54:19 PM |
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In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ¯ and growing ¯ problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
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| User: "Leonard Pulver" |
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25 Nov 2003 10:34:37 PM |
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nobody wrote:
In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ¯ and growing ¯ problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
Brainwashed is more like it
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| User: "Hognoxious hognoxious" |
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26 Nov 2003 04:37:30 AM |
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"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC42CA5.B027407A@gta.igs.net...
nobody wrote:
In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
....
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
Brainwashed is more like it
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
The mullahs tell them their plight is due to the Americans & Jews.
The real reason is that they believe everything the mullahs tell them.
How to break the cycle?
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| User: "Leonard Pulver" |
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26 Nov 2003 10:11:18 AM |
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Hognoxious wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC42CA5.B027407A@gta.igs.net...
nobody wrote:
In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
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Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
Brainwashed is more like it
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Sometimes they go together but stupidity can never be
the 'cause'
The mullahs tell them their plight is due to the Americans & Jews.
The real reason is that they believe everything the mullahs tell them.
When it is drummed into them while they are still in
diapers it is hard to distinguish fact from fiction
How to break the cycle?
It will never happen in my lifetime.
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| User: "nobody" |
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26 Nov 2003 12:09:38 PM |
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In article <3FC4D0A5.F1230EBC@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
Hognoxious wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC42CA5.B027407A@gta.igs.net...
nobody wrote:
In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
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Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
Brainwashed is more like it
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Sometimes they go together but stupidity can never be
the 'cause'
And remember "none of is as dumb as all of us"
http://www.despair.com/meetings.html
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| User: "Hognoxious hognoxious" |
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26 Nov 2003 12:32:06 PM |
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"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-801AA3.13103326112003@netnews.attbi.com...
And remember "none of is as dumb as all of us"
Seems you've just proved the contrary...
http://www.despair.com/meetings.html
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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26 Nov 2003 02:33:57 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:37:30 +0100, "Hognoxious" <hognoxious
_k!o!s!h!e!r@not-so!h!o!t!m!a!i!l!.com> suddenly appeared and wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC42CA5.B027407A@gta.igs.net...
nobody wrote:
In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
...
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
Brainwashed is more like it
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
The mullahs tell them their plight is due to the Americans & Jews.
The real reason is that they believe everything the mullahs tell them.
How to break the cycle?
Simple. Kick the Americans out and kill the Jews ;-)
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| User: "Leonard Pulver" |
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26 Nov 2003 03:36:57 PM |
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hummingbird wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:37:30 +0100, "Hognoxious" <hognoxious
_k!o!s!h!e!r@not-so!h!o!t!m!a!i!l!.com> suddenly appeared and wrote:
"Leonard Pulver" <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3FC42CA5.B027407A@gta.igs.net...
nobody wrote:
In article <3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>,
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
...
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to figure that out.
Brainwashed is more like it
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
The mullahs tell them their plight is due to the Americans & Jews.
The real reason is that they believe everything the mullahs tell them.
How to break the cycle?
Simple. Kick the Americans out and kill the Jews ;-)
Another birdbrained barbarian is heard from the wilderness
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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25 Nov 2003 04:47:24 PM |
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Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message news:<3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>...
Her point of reference may be British,
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
By Barbara Amiel
Her point of view is Canadian, actually (or Israeli, I'm not sure). As
one of the hardest of hardline Sharon supporters regularly writing in
the UK press, I doubt her opinions will be taken seriously by *too*
many Muslims - more's the pity because whatever her views on Israel
the sentiment is obviously correct.
In fact, Muslims have more to fear from militant Islam than anyone
else in the world. After all, for the rest of us, militant Islam as a
doctrine is just silly superstitious rubbish; as a physical threat it
is certainly present, and occasionally worrying, but compared to the
threat to all of Islam it could provoke from the rest of the world
it's a mosquito bite on an elephant's arse.
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| User: "Leonard Pulver" |
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25 Nov 2003 10:17:37 PM |
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jackasskincaid whined:
Leonard Pulver <redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote in message news:<3FC3AAA5.C670AAC8@gta.igs.net>...
Her point of reference may be British,
Muslims have just as much to fear from militant Islam
By Barbara Amiel
Her point of view is Canadian, actually (or Israeli, I'm not sure). As
one of the hardest of hardline Sharon supporters regularly writing in
the UK press, I doubt her opinions will be taken seriously by *too*
many Muslims - more's the pity because whatever her views on Israel
the sentiment is obviously correct.
In fact, Muslims have more to fear from militant Islam than anyone
else in the world. After all, for the rest of us, militant Islam as a
doctrine is just silly superstitious rubbish; as a physical threat it
is certainly present, and occasionally worrying, but compared to the
threat to all of Islam it could provoke from the rest of the world
it's a mosquito bite on an elephant's arse.
Well jackasskincaid, once again proves that his
thinking is all screwed up
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| User: "neptune3" |
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25 Nov 2003 06:39:05 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:19:27 -0500, Leonard Pulver
<redlink@gta.igs.net> wrote:
Her point of reference may be British, but the message
is universal. It's time to connect the dots about a
global ¯ and growing ¯ problem that won't go away by
merely wishing it. And, more importantly, it's time for
some responsibility from "leadership."
Tiptoeing around Our Problems
By Dr. William Pierce
"We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
East
recently, just because so much is happening there, and undoubtedly
we'll
be talking about it much more in the future. For that reason I want to
make very clear what my motives and sympathies are, lest I lead anyone
astray and be thought a hypocrite for doing so.
First, regarding Palestine: although my sympathies definitely lie with
the Palestinians rather than with the Jews, it is not horror at what
the
Jews are doing to the Palestinians that motivates me. What motivates
me
is horror that my country is being used by the Jews in their war
against
the Palestinians. If America were not involved at all in the Middle
East
I still would sympathize with the Palestinians and I would wish that
they could be successful in driving the Jews into the sea and
annihilating the abomination that is Israel, but that conflict between
Jews and Palestinians would not be a major concern for me. At least,
my
concern there would be dwarfed by my concern for problems more
directly
involving my own people in America and in Europe and in southern
Africa.
Even now, with money and weapons being supplied by America and used to
slaughter Palestinians, my concern is much less with monsters like
Ariel
Sharon who are doing the slaughtering than it is with the filthy
creatures among my own people in America who are collaborating with
Jews
here to keep the weapons and money flowing to Sharon -- and are ready
to
do whatever else the Jews require of them here or abroad.
So when I tell you about Jews in occupied Palestine shooting
Palestinian
children, and disapproval and anger are evident in my voice, what I
really am angry about is that the American people, my people, are
being
used for this murderous activity. I am angry that America's whole
foreign policy has been perverted to serve Jewish interests at the
expense of American interests. I am angry that America's political
system has been perverted to ensure that we always have so-called
"leaders," whether Democrat or Republican, who are dependent on the
Jewish media or Jewish money or both for their election and
consequently
will do the bidding of the Jews. I am angry that our whole government
is
riddled with Jews -- Jews in our Defense Department, Jews in our State
Department, Jews in our Immigration and Naturalization Service, Jews
in
our Justice Department, Jews in the President's speech-writing staff
--
who really set the policies of our government behind the scenes, while
the politicians are out front in the spotlight making speeches and
kissing babies -- and doing as they're told by the Jews behind the
scenes.
Did you know that it was a Jewish speechwriter, David Frum, who put
the
phrase "axis of evil" in George Bush's mouth to justify America's
ongoing war against Israel's enemies? Did you know that a clique of
Jews
in the Defense Department and among George Bush's foreign policy
advisers are the people actually running the so-called "war on terror"
in Afghanistan: a war that they intend to expand to Iraq and any other
Middle Eastern country that gets uppity, in order to make that part of
the world safe for Israel at American expense? Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld is a front man for his nominal subordinates, Deputy
Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Deputy Undersecretary of
Defense
for Policy Douglas Feith; and George Bush's official foreign policy
adviser, Condoleezza Rice, helps him meet his Black quota for the
Cabinet, but it is the Jew Richard Perle, chairman of Bush's Defense
Policy Board, who gives him his foreign policy directives.
As I've said on more than one occasion, George Bush is a feckless
nincompoop who couldn't come up with a defense policy or a foreign
policy on his own if he had to -- which is why he's President. The
real
policymakers behind the scenes certainly don't want a man in the White
House who has ideas of his own, because those ideas might conflict
with
theirs.
And it is nothing but empty sophistry to make a distinction between
Jews
in Israel, such as Ariel Sharon and Simon Peres, and the Jews in Mr.
Bush's administration formulating his policies or the Jews controlling
our mass media. They all are Jews, and that's what really matters.
There are many knowledgeable Americans besides me who think that it's
not a good thing to have Jews using America to advance Israel's
interests at the expense of America's interests. They know how the
system works: how the Jews exert their control through money and media
and a well-entrenched network of Jewish operatives, such as Wolfowitz
and Feith and Perle. And many of these knowledgeable Americans also
understand how Jewish subterfuge and deceit work: they understand that
the Jews throw up a lot of smoke to conceal their control and make it
appear that they have much less influence than they actually do.
Despite this degree of understanding that many knowledgeable Americans
have, there seem to be very few who are willing or able to draw the
necessary conclusions. What I keep seeing are comments about the need
to
get the so-called "peace process" going again in the Middle East, and
how there are hardline supporters of Israel who are obstructing the
"peace process" because they think that it will give too much to the
Palestinians or will compromise Israel's security, or whatever. These
knowledgeable Americans seem to believe that if we could just get
around
the Jewish hardliners somehow -- if we could just neutralize Jews such
as Wolfowitz and Feith and Perle; if Ariel Sharon could be replaced by
a
"moderate" Jewish prime minister -- then the "peace process" could
proceed, America could gradually reduce its involvement in helping the
Jews keep the Palestinians repressed, and eventually Israel no longer
would be using America, and everything would be rosy. And so these
knowledgeable Americans expend all of their wit and energy in these
trivial pursuits.
Listen! Do you know what the most hopeful aspect of the conflict
between
Jews and Palestinians is now? It is the ongoing radicalization of the
Muslim masses throughout the whole Middle East. The collaborator
governments in Pakistan, in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia are terrified of
the
reaction they see among their own people to what Ariel Sharon is doing
to the Palestinians. When Sharon's Jewish troops shoot Palestinian
children, Muslim mobs riot, and governments that now collaborate with
the United States quake. Ariel Sharon is the best thing that has
happened in the Middle East in the last 54 years.
The Palestinian tactic of suicide bombing is being denounced by every
politician and every media spokesman over here now. It's nothing but
terrorism, they all say. There's no justification at all for suicide
bombing, they tell us. Of course, whenever you hear that sort of
unanimity from the politicians and the media people you should be
suspicious. In fact, suicide bombing is the best tactic for the
Palestinians to use now, because it provokes the Jews to step up
reprisals. And the reprisals radicalize the masses in every country in
the Middle East. If just one of the collaborator governments falls,
the
spines of all the rest will be stiffened, and the Bush government will
be far less likely to find collaborators for building its so-called
"coalition" to do the will of the Jews in the Middle East.
Suicide bombers now hardly put a dent in the population of five
million
Jews in occupied Palestine, and Sharon's bloody reprisals hardly put a
dent in the overall Palestinian population. But if conflict of this
sort
continues until just one collaborator government is overthrown, that
ultimately will be worth more than ten thousand successful suicide
bombings in which only 20 or so Jews are killed each time. In the long
run there can be no real peace in the Middle East and no end to
America's shameful role there -- and no future for the Palestinian
people -- as long as there is an Israel. There seems to be a better
understanding of these things among knowledgeable Palestinians than
among knowledgeable Americans.
Shallow thinking and the pursuit of trivial goals is even worse among
knowledgeable Americans when it comes to domestic problems. They
really
do not want to grasp these problems with both hands and deal with them
in a forthright way. Look, for example, at what uncontrolled
immigration
has done and is doing to America. And what do knowledgeable Americans
propose to do about that? Very little, really. They make much of the
fact that several of the al-Qaeda hijackers who carried out the
September 11 attack were in the United States only because of very lax
immigration policies, and so that's a good reason for tightening up
the
policies.
How about simply rounding up all illegal aliens immediately -- all 12
million of them -- and booting them and all of their offspring out of
the country without further ado?
Oh, no, no, no! We can't do that! Why not? Well, the media never would
stand for it. The media would be all over anyone who even proposed a
mass expulsion of illegal aliens. They would denounce any political
leader who tried to do that as a "racist" and a "neo-Nazi." And so
knowledgeable Americans, who understand the immigration disaster quite
well, continue tiptoeing around it, afraid to do or even say anything
really significant about it: terri
ied even to think about really
radical solutions that might actually end the problem. And it's the
same
with the rest of our domestic problems. Lots of people understand
these
problems and are worried about them, but they won't tackle them in any
significant way. They let the Jews -- the Jewish media and Jewish
money
and the entrenched Jewish network -- have their way, for all practical
purposes.
Why? Why are the Jews permitted to get away with all of their
destructive policies and activities without being challenged or
opposed
in any significant way? Part of the reason is that the Jews are very
powerful, and therefore many people are afraid to cross them. They're
afraid of the sort of media reaction I just mentioned in connection
with
immigration. Everyone understands that the Jews stick together and
will
viciously attack anyone who opposes them. It's the old story, so aptly
expressed by the late-16th-century writer, Sir John Harington.
Harington
wrote: "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it
prosper, none dare call it treason." Today the Jewish power structure
is
prospering, and none dare oppose it or even call it what it is.
Well, that's only part of the reason Jews are permitted to get away
with
so much. There's more to it than that. There's a mystique the Jews
have
built very carefully around themselves and nurtured diligently. It is
a
mystique of piety and injured innocence. It is a mystique that says to
the Gentile world: "We are a gentle and inoffensive race, and because
of
this everyone hates us. We're smart and we work hard and achieve
success, and because of this everyone hates us. We are a highly moral
and ethical race, and because of this everyone hates us. We are a very
talented race, with many gifted members, many geniuses, and because of
this everyone hates us. We are a very altruistic race, a race of
philanthropists who only want to make a better world for everyone, and
because of this everyone hates us."
Many simpletons among the lemmings simply accept these claims at face
value. Many knowledgeable people, however, who can see through these
claims to the real Jews hiding behind them, still hesitate to
challenge
them. Part of the Jewish mystique is the so-called "Holocaust." In its
most simpleminded form the "Holocaust" story is the claim that the
Germans hated the Jews for the reasons I just mentioned -- for their
gentleness and their success and their morality and their talent and
their altruism -- and because of this hatred roasted six million of
them
during the Second World War in "gas ovens," to use one of the Jews'
favorite "Holocaust" phrases.
Actually, the "Holocaust" is a very powerful part of the Jewish
mystique. The Jews crafted the "Holocaust" story with great care and
great effort -- well, actually not with as much care as they might
have
used: it's as full of holes as a Swiss cheese, but still it is
sufficient to make most people, even those who understand what Jews
are
really like, hesitate to attack them. People don't want to be seen as
bullies. They don't want to be seen as so insensitive that they would
criticize the Jews, who already have suffered so much, poor dears, at
the hands of anti-Semites.
In several past broadcasts we've looked at a number of the lies and
exaggerations and distortions that make up the "Holocaust" story.
There
are a number of good books available on the subject from the sponsor
of
this broadcast, National Vanguard Books, including Norman
Finklestein's
excellent book The Holocaust Industry, which I discussed in an earlier
broadcast. The point is that despite the lies, despite the fact that
many knowledgeable Americans are aware of the lies, the "Holocaust"
still serves its purpose for the Jews. People are afraid of the image
conjured up by the "Holocaust."
Perhaps it's that American life is too soft... Whatever the
reason, many otherwise knowledgeable and hardheaded Americans just
can't
entertain the idea of rounding up the Jews and getting rid of them,
even
when the situation is as urgent as it is in America today. And really,
in the long run that is the only way to solve the Jewish problem.
The Germans understood that, back in the 1930s, and they had the
courage
and the foresight to act on their understanding. Unlike Americans
today,
they had an honest government concerned above all with the survival,
welfare, and progress of the German people, and they began doing what
was necessary, forcing the Jews to emigrate wholesale from Germany
beginning in 1933. And because of that the Jewish propaganda machine
has
attacked the Germans so viciously, has so blackened and demonized
their
image, that today even knowledgeable people are afraid to be
associated
with that image. They are afraid to say that the Germans were right,
that the Germans were justified, and that we need to do the same if we
are to survive. So, as I said, the "Holocaust" story, despite its
glaring discrepancies and lies, still serves as a shield for the Jews;
it still protects them from criticism.
Well, mostly. In parts of Europe not quite as poisoned by Jewish
propaganda as America is, the shield has slipped a bit. A large
British
department store chain, Selfridges, has yielded to demands from
anti-Israel demonstrators and has removed from its shelves products
marked "Made in Israel." Last week the second largest supermarket
chain
in Norway, Coop Norge -- which is to say, Norway Coop, announced its
decision to boycott all Israeli imports. That decision was not the
result of pressure from anti-Israel demonstrators but was based on the
feeling by Coop Norge management that it would be immoral to continue
supporting the Israeli economy by selling Israeli imports under the
present circumstances. That is a step forward, though it is a long way
from what is needed.
The Jews, of course, immediately began waving their "Holocaust" story
around, and now, as the boycott movement catches hold in Scandinavia,
they are trying to portray themselves as injured innocents being
attacked once more by "anti-Semites." They are comparing the growing
Scandinavian boycott of Israeli products to the German boycott of
Jewish
merchants in the late 1930s. Certainly, a boycott of Israeli products
is
a good thing, and the fact that such a boycott is even thinkable by
big
businessmen today is a sign that the Jewish mystique -- and in
particular the Jewish "Holocaust" story -- is becoming a bit shopworn.
It no longer has the hypnotic power that it once had -- at least, in
some parts of the world.
And I suppose that we should be happy about that. The unfortunate fact
remains, however, that in America the Jews still have their money and
their media and their entrenched network of bureaucrats, and even if
the
"Holocaust" story has lost some of its charm in Europe, it still keeps
most knowledgeable Americans intimidated.
Knowledge isn't enough. Courage and boldness also are necessary.
Honesty
and forthrightness are necessary also. Tiptoeing around the critical
issues of our time isn't enough. Tiny reforms in our disastrous
foreign
policy and in our disastrous immigration policy and in a dozen other
disastrous policies aren't enough. We need to stop apologizing to the
people who are destroying us and go full bore at destroying them
instead.
Instead of being hypnotized by the "Holocaust" story we need to look
with clear eyes at why there was a need for action against the Jews in
Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. The Jews' claim today that the Germans
were suffering from collective insanity and had no reason for trying
to
get the Jews off their backs is as phony as George Bush's claim that
Osama bin Laden had no reason for attacking America on September 11.
Wherever Jews go they corrupt and destroy. That is their nature,
always
and everywhere. Let us be thankful to the Palestinians who now are
making such terrible sacrifices to help the world see what the Jews
are
like. And I suppose we also should be thankful to Ariel Sharon for
demonstrating so forthrightly to the world what Jews are like.
Let us hope that the conflict between Jews and Palestinians
intensifies
and lasts long enough to wake up many more of our people around the
world and fill them with disgust at America's continuing support for
the
Jews. Let us hope that it lasts long enough to bring about the
overthrow
of every collaborationist regime in the Muslim world. Let us hope that
it brings about an airtight oil embargo against the United States and
shuts off the lights in every shopping mall and every sports stadium
in
America long enough for the lemmings to become restless and begin
asking
questions. Let us hope that it makes the efforts of every fool and
every
traitor who is striving for a resumption of the so-called "peace
process" so obviously futile that these efforts no longer have the
power
to deceive anyone.
Ultimately, of course, we must not depend on the Palestinian suicide
bombers or on Ariel Sharon's murder squads to do for us what we should
be doing for ourselves. Ultimately we must stop tiptoeing and begin
marching boldly and forthrightly toward solving our own problems."
Thanks for being with me again today.
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neptune3 <nptn3@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<eft7svg8gc6r5rc9em098jhbsgc37i4ftd@4ax.com>...
Tiptoeing around Our Problems
By Dr. William Pierce
"We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
East
recently, just because so much is happening there, and undoubtedly
we'll
be talking about it much more in the future. For that reason I want to
make very clear what my motives and sympathies are, lest I lead anyone
astray and be thought a hypocrite for doing so.
First, regarding Palestine: although my sympathies definitely lie with
the Palestinians rather than with the Jews, it is not horror at what
the
Jews are doing to the Palestinians that motivates me. What motivates
me
is horror that my country is being used by the Jews in their war
against
the Palestinians. If America were not involved at all in the Middle
East
I still would sympathize with the Palestinians and I would wish that
they could be successful in driving the Jews into the sea and
annihilating the abomination that is Israel, but that conflict between
Jews and Palestinians would not be a major concern for me.
And then the Almighty thought: "Enough is enough, and took him away
from us."
The abomination that Pierce was referring to is Islam, not Israel. The
curious thing is that Israel is defending a culture in the Middle East
that is basically white. You know, freedom and democracy and that kind
of thing. Strictly speaking this is a Greek culture not a Jewish one.
So you would have expected Pierce to be in favor of Israel, not
against it, but then his irrational hatred of Jews got in the way.
Amompharetos
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