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Must see tv program - Stupid In America - we need choice and competition to improve schools |
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Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
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13 Jul 2006 08:57:16 AM |
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"videonovels@yahoo.com" <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
If you are so sure that Belgium has a better education system then
ours, get your plane ticket and move. ...
Don't have your plane ticket yet? I guess like the rest of us, you
think that the US has a better system, despite "lousy schools".
The US has millions of people trying to enter this country illegally
so their kids can attend our "lousy schools". Millions are NOT trying
to enter Belgium.
The good capitalist pays attention to what the market actually does,
not what he thinks it should do.
lojbab
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| User: "Bruce McGuffin" |
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13 Jul 2006 11:30:47 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> writes:
"videonovels@yahoo.com" <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
If you are so sure that Belgium has a better education system then
ours, get your plane ticket and move. ...
I do know at least one family that left the US because of school quality.
They went to Britain, but moved back recently, leaving two adult children
behind.
Don't have your plane ticket yet? I guess like the rest of us, you
think that the US has a better system, despite "lousy schools".
The US has millions of people trying to enter this country illegally
so their kids can attend our "lousy schools". Millions are NOT trying
to enter Belgium.
See now, if you had a good education, you would probably know that
Western European countries, including Belgium. do have a problem with
illegal immigrants.
The good capitalist pays attention to what the market actually does,
not what he thinks it should do.
The good economist knows that the market isn't really efficient, and
it takes more than mediocre schools to make most people emigrate.
But anyway, what you seem to be saying is it could be worse, so stop
trying to make things better. Do I have that right?
Bruce
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14 Jul 2006 04:43:13 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"videonovels@yahoo.com" <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
If you are so sure that Belgium has a better education system then
ours, get your plane ticket and move. ...
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Because I CARE about the american children; so I stay and lobby for a
better schools. I don't run away from a problem; I stay and I work to
solve it.
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The US has millions of people trying to enter this country illegally
so their kids can attend our "lousy schools". Millions are NOT trying
to enter Belgium.
That's funny; I was just reading an article about how millions of
Muslims are flooding into Belgium, France, England, and the rest of the
European Union. Why? to get a better education (among other things).
It's time for you to stop looking down upon the E.U. as inferior to the
U.S. I would not personally choose to live there, but the E.U. has
many positive aspects. SUCH AS school choice/competition to improve
their future.
Why not copy what we know works for the E.U. and bring it to the U.S.?
We copied their western literary & cultural traditions, and we copied
their British constitution/legal system. Let's copy their educational
ideas too, rather than act elitist (as you are doing) and pretend
everything is okay (when it is not).
The United States is a free market economy (read: competitive). Let's
use that free market to improve Education in the same fashion we killed
the AT&T monopoly & improved phone service. And computers. And cars.
And so on.
The good capitalist pays attention to what the market
actually does, not what he thinks it should do.
The "good capitalist" would not support a monopoly on people's
education dollars.
Also, try WATCHING the video next time.
I posted the link for a reason-- so you could learn;
you might not agree with the video, but you could at least TRY it.
Be open-minded; not closed.
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| User: "Herman Rubin" |
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14 Jul 2006 01:49:43 PM |
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In article <1152870193.674620.141220@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
videonovels@yahoo.com <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"videonovels@yahoo.com" <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
If you are so sure that Belgium has a better education system then
ours, get your plane ticket and move. ...
Because I CARE about the american children; so I stay and lobby for a
better schools. I don't run away from a problem; I stay and I work to
solve it.
The US has millions of people trying to enter this country illegally
so their kids can attend our "lousy schools". Millions are NOT trying
to enter Belgium.
The millions are not trying to enter from Belgium, but
from Mexico and Nicaragua, which do not have better schools,
or from Cuba or Haiti, to escape misery and persecution.
We CANNOT improve the schools; they are doing everything
wrong, and their teachers are even more so administrators
are brainwashed into it.
1. A genius cannot be more advanced than someone who
cannot understand. We MUST have social adjustment.
This must change at the beginning; if a child who can
read is put into a class with those who cannot, those
responsible need to provide at least a year of private
tutoring in that subject not under school control, and
pay the value of a years' pay out of their pockets.
2. We must teach what can be tested by multiple choice
tests; none of this structured education or concepts.
The kiddies need to learn how to answer questions of fact,
and to be able to do routine problems, not to understand
and be able to apply their knowledge. Can teachers who
have been TRAINED to do that be EDUCATED so they can teach
why and not how, how to look at the general not merely as
extensions of the particular.
3. No matter what the achievement criteria are, trying to
get all to fulfill them is hopeless. It can only lower the
criteria. Trying to get them to do it at roughly the same
time is even worse.
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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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| User: "Bill Steele" |
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14 Jul 2006 02:31:57 PM |
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In article <e98p07$5hk0@odds.stat.purdue.edu>,
(Herman Rubin) wrote:
We CANNOT improve the schools; they are doing everything
wrong, and their teachers are even more so administrators
are brainwashed into it.
Allow me to propose a somewhat politically incorrect theory:
Once upon a time, women who chose to pursue a professional career had
very limited choices. Of those, the most intellectually interesting was
teaching. So, of the group who chose careers--already brighter and more
driven than others--the brightest and best became teachers. In effect we
had a draft system that channelled the smartest and most dedicated
members of half the population into the schools.
Today we have a system that makes the old "Those that can, do..." joke a
reality.
Two choices: reinstate the draft (gender neutral, of course) or raise
teachers' salaries to corporate CEO levels.
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| User: "Herman Rubin" |
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| Title: Re: Must see tv program - Stupid In America - we need choice and competition to improve schools |
14 Jul 2006 08:49:41 PM |
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In article <ws21-6BA6AB.15315714072006@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
Bill Steele <ws21@cornell.edu> wrote:
In article <e98p07$5hk0@odds.stat.purdue.edu>,
hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) wrote:
We CANNOT improve the schools; they are doing everything
wrong, and their teachers are even more so administrators
are brainwashed into it.
Allow me to propose a somewhat politically incorrect theory:
Once upon a time, women who chose to pursue a professional career had
very limited choices. Of those, the most intellectually interesting was
teaching. So, of the group who chose careers--already brighter and more
driven than others--the brightest and best became teachers. In effect we
had a draft system that channelled the smartest and most dedicated
members of half the population into the schools.
Today we have a system that makes the old "Those that can, do..." joke a
reality.
Two choices: reinstate the draft (gender neutral, of course) or raise
teachers' salaries to corporate CEO levels.
This is not the problem. The teachers of that generation
were not that much better educated than the ones of today;
what has happened is that the TRAINING by the schools of
education and the dumbing down and removing the structure
and reasons from the curriculum have effectively destroyed
the schools.
Most subject matter teachers in the high schools before
WWII were men. How many of today's high school teachers
of mathematics understand the importance of proofs in
Euclidean geometry, or what "mathematical induction" means?
How many of the English teachers today have the understanding
of grammar which the elementary teachers used to have, and
which was covered in grammar school?
Before the Depression, the idea of "grade a year" progress
no matter what was accomplished was not a rule. The local
idiot did not benefit too much from languishing in second
or third grade, but did not louse up the curriculum. It
is not merely rate, but can it be done.
I saw the changes happening, and how they have continued.
We cannot put the smartest people into schoolteaching;
they will not be able to tolerate the routine. This was
found among the college students who volunteered for
defense work in WWII; the boring routine can only be
tolerated for a short time.
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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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13 Jul 2006 09:38:34 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"videonovels@yahoo.com" <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
If you are so sure that Belgium has a better education system then
ours, get your plane ticket and move. ...
Don't have your plane ticket yet? I guess like the rest of us, you
think that the US has a better system, despite "lousy schools".
No one thinks the US has a better system, since it's complete *****. But
better luck lying next time, dipshit.
The US has millions of people trying to enter this country illegally
so their kids can attend our "lousy schools". Millions are NOT trying
to enter Belgium.
The good capitalist pays attention to what the market actually does,
not what he thinks it should do.
lojbab
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| User: "Bill Steele" |
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13 Jul 2006 02:17:06 PM |
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In article <1152801509.969099.52170@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
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- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
Wonderful in theory. The devil is in the details.
What if the better school is ten miles away?
What about the parents who are so stupid or drugged or whatever that
they don't give a crap?
So called "choice" programs in the U.S., mostly designed by Republicans,
give the family a chunk of money that is nowhere near enough to pay for
a good school. They just subsidize the rich people who don't want their
kids going to city schools that have blacks in them.
What we need is to start paying all the teachers in all the schools a
competitive wage.
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| User: "Bruce McGuffin" |
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14 Jul 2006 12:19:58 PM |
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Bill Steele <ws21@cornell.edu> writes:
In article <1152801509.969099.52170@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
Wonderful in theory. The devil is in the details.
What if the better school is ten miles away?
What about the parents who are so stupid or drugged or whatever that
they don't give a crap?
What if they are? Are you saying everybody should get a crappy education
because some people won't or can't get a better one?
So called "choice" programs in the U.S., mostly designed by Republicans,
give the family a chunk of money that is nowhere near enough to pay for
a good school. They just subsidize the rich people who don't want their
kids going to city schools that have blacks in them.
In fact, rich people are the only ones who have school choice now. Giving
public school students a choice will increase equality, not reduce it.
Bruce
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| User: "Scott Bryce" |
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13 Jul 2006 02:26:07 PM |
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Bill Steele wrote:
So called "choice" programs in the U.S., mostly designed by Republicans,
give the family a chunk of money that is nowhere near enough to pay for
a good school. They just subsidize the rich people who don't want their
kids going to city schools that have blacks in them.
Which is why inner city blacks are among the biggest proponents of
school choice?
What we need is to start paying all the teachers in all the schools a
competitive wage.
Competitive to what? There is no competition when the government has a
near monopoly.
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| User: "Grinch" |
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| Title: Sweden's voucher schools (Re: Must see tv program - Stupid In America - we need choice and competition to improve schools |
16 Jul 2006 12:33:25 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:17:06 -0400, Bill Steele <ws21@cornell.edu>
wrote:
In article <1152801509.969099.52170@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
Wonderful in theory. The devil is in the details.
It works fine in practice in Sweden, which has a universal voucher
system.
Over there all parents can send their children to any school --
public, private or for-profit -- with the state paying the bill and
the money following the student.
The results have been exactly what proponents of voucher reform
predict ...
"An independent study found that competition from independent schools
has improved results in state schools. Moreover, it has been found
that new independent schools are more likely to be established in
areas of under-performing state schools serving disadvantaged
children."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/01/20/do2002.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/01/20/ixop.html
.... to quote the first of many googled-up reports.
And the people are universally happy with it.
So there's a test involving millions of people and a whole nation that
works. Is that good enough to get any more support for voucher
experiments from the education establishment here?
Nah ... you know Swedish socialist social policy -- too right-wing for
US "progressives". ;-)
(They've got private investment accounts in their social security
system too!!)
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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13 Jul 2006 11:49:05 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:57:16 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
"videonovels@yahoo.com" <videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
If you are so sure that Belgium has a better education system then
ours, get your plane ticket and move. ...
Don't have your plane ticket yet? I guess like the rest of us, you
think that the US has a better system, despite "lousy schools".
The US has millions of people trying to enter this country illegally
so their kids can attend our "lousy schools".
Oh is that why they come? For the great schools?
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| User: "Bart Van Hemelen" |
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14 Jul 2006 05:11:16 AM |
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wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
US also spends significantly more on healthcare per capita than most
European countries, yet manages to produce far less results.
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BVH
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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14 Jul 2006 02:36:06 PM |
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Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
I wonder how they do on a race by race basis. White vs white, ect.
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15 Jul 2006 08:08:09 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
I wonder how they do on a race by race basis. White vs white, ect.
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I don't think we should separate ourselves by an arbitrary thing like
skin color. We're all "american" or we're all "belgium". Color should
not matter.
Now if you want to separate people based on Location, such as city vs.
rural, then that makes more sense. I can believe a city school might
be underperforming.
Which is why we NEED to give parents choices... so like Belgium
parents, Americans can take the money that was assigned to their
student, and transfer it from a lousy city school to a better suburban
or rural school. (Let the lousy city school die from lack of
students.)
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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15 Jul 2006 10:02:44 AM |
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wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
Summary: In Belgium and other European countries they spend *less*
money per pupil, but outscore Americans ~80% versus ~50% on
international tests. European nations also provide school choice:
- The money is given to the *student* not the school
- And the parents decide which school they want to attend.
- Which allows them to leave lousy schools & move to better schools.
LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA
I wonder how they do on a race by race basis. White vs white, ect.
I don't think we should separate ourselves by an arbitrary thing like
skin color.
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind? IMHO, we
should look at everything and give up on the PC bs.
We're all "american" or we're all "belgium". Color should
not matter.
Yea It shouldn't, but it does.
Now if you want to separate people based on Location, such as city vs.
rural, then that makes more sense. I can believe a city school might
be underperforming.
Yea, do that too. Maybe add sex in equation while you are at it.
Which is why we NEED to give parents choices... so like Belgium
parents, Americans can take the money that was assigned to their
student, and transfer it from a lousy city school to a better suburban
or rural school. (Let the lousy city school die from lack of
students.)
Agree.
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15 Jul 2006 04:50:50 PM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
videonovels@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't think we should separate ourselves by an arbitrary thing like
skin color.
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind?
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Yes; a hunting lioness (part of "mother nature") is not going to care
if I'm as white as a ghost, or as black as midnight. To her color is
irrelevant & the only thing in her mind is: "Yum; that was a tasty
human". So yes, nature is color-blind. So should we be.
Other considerations like location and finances are FAR more important
considerations.
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Now if you want to separate people based on Location, such as city vs.
rural, then that makes more sense. I can believe a city school might
be underperforming.
Yea, do that too. Maybe add sex in equation while you are at it.
Which is why we NEED to give parents choices... so like Belgium
parents, Americans can take the money that was assigned to their
student, and transfer it from a lousy city school to a better suburban
or rural school. (Let the lousy city school die from lack of
students.)
Agree.
GOOD!
:-D <-------big friendly smile
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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15 Jul 2006 05:55:51 PM |
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wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
wrote:
I don't think we should separate ourselves by an arbitrary thing like
skin color.
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind?
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Yes; a hunting lioness (part of "mother nature") is not going to care
if I'm as white as a ghost, or as black as midnight. To her color is
irrelevant & the only thing in her mind is: "Yum; that was a tasty
human". So yes, nature is color-blind. So should we be.
Nature is not color blind(far from it). Case in point: How do albino
alligators do in the wild? They die from starvation because they can't
sneak up on their prey.
Other considerations like location and finances are FAR more important
considerations.
Consider everything. The more data the better.
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Now if you want to separate people based on Location, such as city vs.
rural, then that makes more sense. I can believe a city school might
be underperforming.
Yea, do that too. Maybe add sex in equation while you are at it.
Which is why we NEED to give parents choices... so like Belgium
parents, Americans can take the money that was assigned to their
student, and transfer it from a lousy city school to a better suburban
or rural school. (Let the lousy city school die from lack of
students.)
Agree.
GOOD!
:-D <-------big friendly smile
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16 Jul 2006 06:25:48 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
videonovels@yahoo.com wrote:
Anonymous Infidel -
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind?
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Yes; a hunting lioness (part of "mother nature") is not going to care
if I'm as white as a ghost, or as black as midnight. To her color is
irrelevant & the only thing in her mind is: "Yum; that was a tasty
human". So yes, nature is color-blind. So should we be.
Nature is not color blind(far from it). Case in point: How do albino
alligators do in the wild? They die from starvation because they can't
sneak up on their prey.
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That's nice, but that's totally off-topic. We were discussing humans.
Give me an example using HUMANS where color matters in nature.
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16 Jul 2006 10:11:00 AM |
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wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
wrote:
Anonymous Infidel -
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind?
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Yes; a hunting lioness (part of "mother nature") is not going to care
if I'm as white as a ghost, or as black as midnight. To her color is
irrelevant & the only thing in her mind is: "Yum; that was a tasty
human". So yes, nature is color-blind. So should we be.
Nature is not color blind(far from it). Case in point: How do albino
alligators do in the wild? They die from starvation because they can't
sneak up on their prey.
That's nice, but that's totally off-topic.
Then why did you do that whole lioness schtick?
We were discussing humans.
Are you saying humans are removed from nature?
Give me an example using HUMANS where color matters in nature.
La Griffe du Lion
THE COLOR OF MERITOCRACY
In a society based on meritocratic principles, a pattern of color will
emerge that reflects the distribution of human attributes among racial
and ethnic groups. Such patterns have developed in America in
professional sports. In other areas, however, we have been more
circumspect. In this essay, La Griffe takes a mostly dispassionate look
at how to calculate, by race and ethnicity, the outcome of any
competition in which group abilities differ. We focus on cognitive
differences, saving other group variations for later consideration.
Depending on where in the culture wars you stand, the method can be
used to test claims of equity or inequity. Illustrations are provided
that range from the promotion of police officers to law school
admissions.
http://tinyurl.com/lud23
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17 Jul 2006 06:43:19 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
videonovels@yahoo.com wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
videonovels@yahoo.com wrote:
Anonymous Infidel -
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind?
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Yes; a hunting lioness (part of "mother nature") is not going to care
if I'm as white as a ghost, or as black as midnight. To her color is
irrelevant & the only thing in her mind is: "Yum; that was a tasty
human". So yes, nature is color-blind. So should we be.
Nature is not color blind(far from it). Case in point: How do albino
alligators do in the wild? They die from starvation because they can't
sneak up on their prey.
That's nice, but that's totally off-topic.
Then why did you do that whole lioness schtick?
The subject was not lions; the subject was humans and how it does not
matter what color you are... either way you're going to get eaten.
That's the way mother nature works: Color blind.
La Griffe du Lion
THE COLOR OF MERITOCRACY
In a society based on meritocratic principles, a pattern of color will
emerge that reflects the distribution of human attributes among racial
and ethnic groups. Such patterns have developed in America in
professional sports. .......
Read it.
And I disagree. I don't think the difference lies not in color, but
in economic backgrounds I.E. Most basketball players come from city
blocks where they played a lot of basketball.... it's not the color;
it's the environment.
There was a time when girls performed poorly in school, falling behind
boys. Some claimed "oh it's because women are dumber".
Fast-forward 20 years, pass a couple laws requiring equality for girls,
and now we see girls are having more success than guys. Turns out it
was NOT the sex, but the environment that mattered; change the
environment and the girls were doing just as well (or better) than
their male peers.
I think the same is true for black students; they are just as
intelligent as whites, but they need better environments (i.e. not
drug-ridden inner-city schools). Change the environment and I think
we'll see the same dramatic improvement that we saw when we improved
Girls' education.
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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17 Jul 2006 09:48:56 AM |
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wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
wrote:
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
wrote:
Anonymous Infidel -
Why? Was Darwin full of *****, is Mother Nature color blind?
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Yes; a hunting lioness (part of "mother nature") is not going to care
if I'm as white as a ghost, or as black as midnight. To her color is
irrelevant & the only thing in her mind is: "Yum; that was a tasty
human". So yes, nature is color-blind. So should we be.
Nature is not color blind(far from it). Case in point: How do albino
alligators do in the wild? They die from starvation because they can't
sneak up on their prey.
That's nice, but that's totally off-topic.
Then why did you do that whole lioness schtick?
The subject was not lions; the subject was humans and how it does not
matter what color you are... either way you're going to get eaten.
That's the way mother nature works: Color blind.
As I have proven...mother nature is not color blind.
La Griffe du Lion
THE COLOR OF MERITOCRACY
In a society based on meritocratic principles, a pattern of color will
emerge that reflects the distribution of human attributes among racial
and ethnic groups. Such patterns have developed in America in
professional sports. .......
Read it.
And I disagree. I don't think the difference lies not in color, but
in economic backgrounds I.E. Most basketball players come from city
blocks where they played a lot of basketball.... it's not the color;
it's the environment.
More whites live in the city and are poor...With that said if we went
with you environment schtick all sports should be a majority white.
There was a time when girls performed poorly in school, falling behind
boys. Some claimed "oh it's because women are dumber".
They still underperform.
Fast-forward 20 years, pass a couple laws requiring equality for girls,
and now we see girls are having more success than guys.
No, they still underperform compared to their male counterparts. Been
several studies.
Turns out it
was NOT the sex, but the environment that mattered; change the
environment and the girls were doing just as well (or better) than
their male peers.
Read above.
I think the same is true for black students; they are just as
intelligent as whites, but they need better environments (i.e. not
drug-ridden inner-city schools).
No they underperform in all schools. Also been several studies.
Change the environment and I think
we'll see the same dramatic improvement that we saw when we improved
Girls' education.
Nope.
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17 Jul 2006 10:24:12 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
videonovels@yahoo.com wrote:
There was a time when girls performed poorly in school, falling behind
boys. Some claimed "oh it's because women are dumber".
Fast-forward 20 years, pass a couple laws requiring equality for girls,
and now we see girls are having more success than guys.Turns out it
was NOT the sex, but the environment that mattered; change the
environment and the girls were doing just as well (or better) than
their male peers.
No, they still underperform compared to their male counterparts. Been
several studies.
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You need to go read more recent studies. It is now the boys who have
fallen behind the girls in academics.
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No blacks underperform in all schools. Also been several studies.
I don't buy that. You're basically saying "blacks are stupid", and I
don't bull that racist *****. Blacks have just as much intelligence
as their white or asian counterparts.
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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17 Jul 2006 01:39:46 PM |
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You need to go read more recent studies.
No need...You argue my point.
It is now the boys who have
fallen behind the girls in academics.
See, either way it fits my point....Nature has hardwired the sexes
differently.
Note: From what I have seen(PSAT, SAT) males/females do better in
certain areas. Boys do better at math. Girls are better at writing.
No blacks underperform in all schools. Also been several studies.
Races are hardwired differently too.
I don't buy that. You're basically saying "blacks are stupid",
I am not saying anything...Just pointing to the data that shows they
just underperform vs other races.
and I don't bull that racist *****.
Again , I am just pointing to data.
Blacks have just as much intelligence
as their white or asian counterparts.
They just score lower....
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| User: "" |
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18 Jul 2006 04:21:11 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
You need to go read more recent studies. It is now the boys
who have fallen behind the girls in academics.
See, either way it fits my point....Nature has hardwired the sexes
differently.
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Bull. If that were true, girls would still be trailing behind the
boys. The fact that girls have no equaled or even surpassed boys'
ability proves that there's NO hardwiring.
It's environment not genes.
Ditto in blacks vs asian vs white comparisons.
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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18 Jul 2006 06:35:07 PM |
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Bull. If that were true, girls would still be trailing behind the
boys. The fact that girls have no equaled or even surpassed boys'
ability proves that there's NO hardwiring.
Yes it is.
http://tinyurl.com/prwyg
http://tinyurl.com/n7usg
It's environment not genes.
It's both.
Ditto in blacks vs asian vs white comparisons.
http://www.azomed.com/?id=9530
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| User: "" |
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21 Jul 2006 05:35:19 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
It's environment not genes. Ditto in blacks vs asian vs white comparisons.
Read this - http://www.azomed.com/?id=9530
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It's like reading a modern version of that "scientist" Menghela.
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| User: "Lesa" |
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21 Jul 2006 05:51:51 AM |
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<videonovels@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153478119.634332.221810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
It's environment not genes. Ditto in blacks vs asian vs white
comparisons.
Read this - http://www.azomed.com/?id=9530
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It's like reading a modern version of that "scientist" Menghela.
Are you perhaps referring to Josef Mengele. A web search for "Menghela"
gives results which do not refer to a scientist, but to an inspirational
poet from the Indonesian region.
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| User: "Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger" |
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21 Jul 2006 07:12:17 AM |
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It's like reading a modern version of that "scientist" Menghela.
It reminds me of the movie Gattaca.
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| User: "" |
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21 Jul 2006 10:47:06 AM |
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Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger wrote:
It's like reading a modern version of that "scientist" Menghela.
It reminds me of the movie Gattaca.
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Which pretty supports MY point - it is NOT genes that determine
success. Thanks for that useful example to back me up. ;-)
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