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| User: |
"Harry Hope" |
| Date: |
11 Dec 2007 11:51:49 AM |
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Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
So there you have it:
Mitt's plan to win over the fundies involves deflecting their
attention from his own beliefs by holding up people who aren't
religious as the common enemy.
Disgusting.
By EarlG
Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "SyVyN11" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 12:23:47 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
So there you have it:
Mitt's plan to win over the fundies involves deflecting their
attention from his own beliefs by holding up people who aren't
religious as the common enemy.
Disgusting.
By EarlG
Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "David and Nancy O xdfwcouple1remove this and the 2" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 02:47:07 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams never
said this.
So there you have it:
Mitt's plan to win over the fundies involves deflecting their
attention from his own beliefs by holding up people who aren't
religious as the common enemy.
Disgusting.
By EarlG
Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "SyVyN11" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 05:24:03 PM |
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"David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2 x's)@xbigfoot.com>
wrote in message news:fHC7j.17624$dX.7239@trnddc08...
"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams never
said this.
SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Not freedom from religion. If you don't want to worship any religion,
MITT Rhomey wouldn't care less. You are still a america, but you can't
stand the fact that religion is part of the american culture, you can't
stand that a person of faith might be president. You fuckers sicken me!
So there you have it:
Mitt's plan to win over the fundies involves deflecting their
attention from his own beliefs by holding up people who aren't
religious as the common enemy.
Disgusting.
By EarlG
Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "David and Nancy O xdfwcouple1remove this and the 2" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 05:44:54 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2 x's)@xbigfoot.com>
wrote in message news:fHC7j.17624$dX.7239@trnddc08...
"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the
purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of
his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is
as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right
before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams
never
said this.
SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Not freedom from religion. If you don't want to worship any religion,
MITT Rhomey wouldn't care less. You are still a america, but you can't
stand the fact that religion is part of the american culture, you can't
stand that a person of faith might be president. You fuckers sicken me!
I just don't like manipulative pricks like you ... religion has nothing to
do with it ...
So there you have it:
Mitt's plan to win over the fundies involves deflecting their
attention from his own beliefs by holding up people who aren't
religious as the common enemy.
Disgusting.
By EarlG
Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 10:21:01 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2 x's)@xbigfoot.com>
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right
before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams
never
said this.
SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Not freedom from religion.
Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a civics
class.
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 10:34:15 AM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
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"David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2 x's)@xbigfoot.com>
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the
purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of
his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is
as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right
before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams
never
said this.
SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Not freedom from religion.
Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a
civics class.
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
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| User: "Frank Pittel" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 01:13:09 PM |
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In alt.politics.usa.republican SyVyN11 <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
: news:fjp1q1$l06$1@news.albasani.net...
: >
: > "SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:fjn67k$4fj$1@news.albasani.net...
: >>
: >> "David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2 x's)@xbigfoot.com>
: >> wrote in message news:fHC7j.17624$dX.7239@trnddc08...
: >>>
: >>> "SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >>> news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
: >>>>
: >>>> "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: >>>> news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
: >>>> > - but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
: >>>> > Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
: >>>> > this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
: >>>> > Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
: >>>> > Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
: >>>> > Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
: >>>> > Association.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the
: >>>> > purpose
: >>>> > was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
: >>>> > the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
: >>>> > flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
: >>>> > HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of
: >>>> > his
: >>>> > own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
: >>>> > is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
: >>>> >
: >>>> > As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
: >>>> > on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > But really, who cares?
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
: >>>> > Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
: >>>> >
: >>>> > That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
: >>>> > believe what they want without persecution.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > That's freedom, baby!
: >>>> >
: >>>> > And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
: >>>> > defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
: >>>> > public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
: >>>> > utmost importance, then it's all good.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
: >>>> > those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > And...
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
: >>>> > has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
: >>>> > remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
: >>>> > seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is
: >>>> > as
: >>>> > if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
: >>>> > religion of secularism. They are wrong."
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > And perhaps most egregious of all...
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "Freedom requires religion."
: >>>>
: >>>> He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
: >>>>
: >>>> ***** to him!
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right
: >>> before
: >>> his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams
: >>> never
: >>> said this.
: >>
: >> SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
: >> Not freedom from religion.
: >
: > Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a
: > civics class.
: and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect to
: those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to respect
: anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
The looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems can't do that. After all Christians
disagree with the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems and there for must
be destroyed.
--
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 01:19:12 PM |
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"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:yPKdnayZBMZYr_3anZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@giganews.com...
In alt.politics.usa.republican SyVyN11 <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
: news:fjp1q1$l06$1@news.albasani.net...
: >
: > "SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:fjn67k$4fj$1@news.albasani.net...
: >>
: >> "David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2
x's)@xbigfoot.com>
: >> wrote in message news:fHC7j.17624$dX.7239@trnddc08...
: >>>
: >>> "SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >>> news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
: >>>>
: >>>> "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: >>>> news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last
week
: >>>> > - but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
: >>>> > Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely
in
: >>>> > this context) that he's not going to take the country on some
crazy
: >>>> > Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush
Presidential
: >>>> > Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
: >>>> > Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
: >>>> > Association.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the
: >>>> > purpose
: >>>> > was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign -
off
: >>>> > the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
: >>>> > flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION
RIGHT
: >>>> > HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion
of
: >>>> > his
: >>>> > own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I
believe
: >>>> > is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
: >>>> >
: >>>> > As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So
come
: >>>> > on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > But really, who cares?
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or
a
: >>>> > Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
: >>>> >
: >>>> > That is one of the things that makes America great - that people
can
: >>>> > believe what they want without persecution.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > That's freedom, baby!
: >>>> >
: >>>> > And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is
to
: >>>> > defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected
into
: >>>> > public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
: >>>> > utmost importance, then it's all good.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans
tire of
: >>>> > those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > And...
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and
state
: >>>> > has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They
seek to
: >>>> > remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion
is
: >>>> > seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It
is
: >>>> > as
: >>>> > if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America -
the
: >>>> > religion of secularism. They are wrong."
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > And perhaps most egregious of all...
: >>>> >
: >>>> >
: >>>> > "Freedom requires religion."
: >>>>
: >>>> He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
: >>>>
: >>>> ***** to him!
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right
: >>> before
: >>> his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams
: >>> never
: >>> said this.
: >>
: >> SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM!
: >> Not freedom from religion.
: >
: > Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a
: > civics class.
: and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect
to
: those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to
respect
: anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
The looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems can't do that. After all
Christians
disagree with the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems and there
for must
be destroyed.
Cite?
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12 Dec 2007 11:00:23 AM |
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On Dec 12, 11:34 am, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a
civics class.
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
Atheists have not been murdering people for the last 2000 years who
dared to think differently than they do - Christians however have
quite an impressive body count on that score. BTW - have I told you
recently what a supreme idiot you are?
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| User: "SyVyN11" |
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12 Dec 2007 01:45:27 PM |
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"ztc" <johnnycat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b916a5b-07f7-4bb9-9794-f4055f101409@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 12, 11:34 am, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a
civics class.
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect
to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to
respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
Atheists have not been murdering people for the last 2000 years who
dared to think differently than they do - Christians however have
quite an impressive body count on that score. BTW - have I told you
recently what a supreme idiot you are?
and it doesn't hold a candle to radical islam.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
13 Dec 2007 10:07:19 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjpdpe$l03$1@news.albasani.net...
"ztc" <johnnycat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b916a5b-07f7-4bb9-9794-f4055f101409@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 12, 11:34 am, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religious freedom includes freedom from religion, Shitburner. Take a
civics class.
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect
to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to
respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
Atheists have not been murdering people for the last 2000 years who
dared to think differently than they do - Christians however have
quite an impressive body count on that score. BTW - have I told you
recently what a supreme idiot you are?
and it doesn't hold a candle to radical islam.
Actually, radical Christianity far exceeds anything that radical Islam has
to offer. The total number of deaths due to the Crusades has been estimated
to be nine million, half of which were Christians.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
13 Dec 2007 10:13:13 AM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
news:fjrlae$8sk$1@news.albasani.net...
Actually, radical Christianity far exceeds anything that radical Islam has
to offer. The total number of deaths due to the Crusades has been
estimated to be nine million, half of which were Christians.
You might want to narrow down what you mean by "the Crusades".
There have been several.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
13 Dec 2007 11:12:56 AM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:UTc8j.3896$Vq.356@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
news:fjrlae$8sk$1@news.albasani.net...
Actually, radical Christianity far exceeds anything that radical Islam
has to offer. The total number of deaths due to the Crusades has been
estimated to be nine million, half of which were Christians.
You might want to narrow down what you mean by "the Crusades".
There have been several.
I know. I meant all of them. That's why I used the plural form.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
13 Dec 2007 12:25:25 PM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
news:fjrp5f$kai$1@news.albasani.net...
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
You might want to narrow down what you mean by "the Crusades".
There have been several.
I know. I meant all of them. That's why I used the plural form.
So - 9M Christians lost to crusades, eh?
They don't sound so bad when you put it like that.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
13 Dec 2007 01:43:59 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:Mof8j.3986$Vq.3152@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
news:fjrp5f$kai$1@news.albasani.net...
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
You might want to narrow down what you mean by "the Crusades".
There have been several.
I know. I meant all of them. That's why I used the plural form.
So - 9M Christians lost to crusades, eh?
They don't sound so bad when you put it like that.
lol
That's a good point.
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| User: "ztc" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 01:54:40 PM |
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On Dec 12, 2:45 pm, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show respect
to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to
respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
Atheists have not been murdering people for the last 2000 years who
dared to think differently than they do - Christians however have
quite an impressive body count on that score. BTW - have I told you
recently what a supreme idiot you are?
and it doesn't hold a candle to radical islam
So you admit that Christians are fanatical murderers who have a long
history of either successfully converting their victims or killing
them - only they're not quite as bad as radical Islam. Gotcha.
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| User: "SyVyN11" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 04:15:22 PM |
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"ztc" <johnnycat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d50fcffe-68e3-4047-aba1-77169641372e@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 12, 2:45 pm, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show
respect
to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to
respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
Atheists have not been murdering people for the last 2000 years who
dared to think differently than they do - Christians however have
quite an impressive body count on that score. BTW - have I told you
recently what a supreme idiot you are?
and it doesn't hold a candle to radical islam
So you admit that Christians are fanatical murderers who have a long
history of either successfully converting their victims or killing
them - only they're not quite as bad as radical Islam. Gotcha.
Sure about 500 years ago. Radical islam is killing people NOW!!!!
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. His name is Mohammad!
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
13 Dec 2007 10:08:12 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjpmih$a18$1@news.albasani.net...
"ztc" <johnnycat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d50fcffe-68e3-4047-aba1-77169641372e@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 12, 2:45 pm, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
and if you don't want to worship. THAT'S FINE! Just show
respect
to
those who do want to worship. But that is beyond you fuckers to
respect
anyone who disagrees with your athist dogma!
Atheists have not been murdering people for the last 2000 years who
dared to think differently than they do - Christians however have
quite an impressive body count on that score. BTW - have I told you
recently what a supreme idiot you are?
and it doesn't hold a candle to radical islam
So you admit that Christians are fanatical murderers who have a long
history of either successfully converting their victims or killing
them - only they're not quite as bad as radical Islam. Gotcha.
Sure about 500 years ago. Radical islam is killing people NOW!!!! Pay
no attention to the man behind the curtain. His name is Mohammad!
You've confused the Wizard of Oz with Mohammad.
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| User: "fargo116" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 05:44:08 PM |
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On Dec 11, 4:24 pm, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"David and Nancy O" <xdfwcouple1(remove this and the 2 x's)@xbigfoot.com>
wrote in messagenews:fHC7j.17624$dX.7239@trnddc08...
"SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams never
said this.
SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? America is a country based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Not freedom from religion. If you don't want to worship any religion,
MITT Rhomey wouldn't care less. You are still a america, but you can't
stand the fact that religion is part of the american culture, you can't
stand that a person of faith might be president. You fuckers sicken me!
LOL...Aw c'mon. Since when have the Fundies gotten what they wanted
from the GOP Cocksuckers? They just want their votes. Then they call
'em crazies behind their backs.
S. Olson
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| User: "David and Nancy O xdfwcouple1remove this and the 2" |
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11 Dec 2007 02:47:07 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
Not true you manipulative *****. Mutt's quote of Adams ended right before
his "Freedom requires religion." bull ***** line. Additionally Adams never
said this.
So there you have it:
Mitt's plan to win over the fundies involves deflecting their
attention from his own beliefs by holding up people who aren't
religious as the common enemy.
Disgusting.
By EarlG
Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 02:19:41 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams.
No, he wasn't, dumbass, and that's a good thing because Adams never said it.
Here is the relevent portion of his speech from that well-know liberal
website, www.mittromney.com/News/Speeches/Faith_In_America :
"...In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of
contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. ... Our
constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'
Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens
the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs
and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish
alone."
Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
No, Shitburner, ***** to you. As always, you're simple and simply wrong.
www.crwflags.com/art/mil/misc/fl-1204.jpg
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| User: "SyVyN11" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 02:37:58 PM |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
- but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association.
The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
But really, who cares?
Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
believe what they want without persecution.
That's freedom, baby!
And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
utmost importance, then it's all good.
Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
"Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
And...
"...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
religion of secularism. They are wrong."
And perhaps most egregious of all...
"Freedom requires religion."
He was quoting John Adams.
No, he wasn't, dumbass, and that's a good thing because Adams never said
it.
Here is the relevent portion of his speech from that well-know liberal
website, www.mittromney.com/News/Speeches/Faith_In_America :
"...In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable
of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. ...
Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'
Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens
the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs
and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish
alone."
Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
***** to him!
No, Shitburner, ***** to you. As always, you're simple and simply wrong.
www.crwflags.com/art/mil/misc/fl-1204.jpg
you are just a stupid little *****, aren't you?
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| User: "Tim Crowley" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 10:52:36 AM |
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On Dec 11, 12:37 pm, "SyVyN11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
you are just a stupid little *****, aren't you?
Aww, the wit and wisdom of a Romney Supporter. Good luck.
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| User: "Frank Pittel" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 07:14:14 PM |
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In alt.politics.usa.republican Lamont Cranston <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com> wrote:
: "SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
: >
: > "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: > news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
: >>
: >> Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
: >> - but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
: >> Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
: >> this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
: >> Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
: >>
: >> Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
: >> Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
: >> Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
: >> Association.
: >>
: >> The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
: >> was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
: >> the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
: >> flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
: >> HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
: >>
: >> Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
: >> own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
: >> is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
: >>
: >> As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
: >>
: >> "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
: >> on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
: >>
: >> But really, who cares?
: >>
: >> Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
: >> Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
: >>
: >> That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
: >> believe what they want without persecution.
: >>
: >> That's freedom, baby!
: >>
: >> And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
: >> defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
: >> public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
: >> utmost importance, then it's all good.
: >>
: >> Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
: >>
: >> Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
: >>
: >>
: >> "Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
: >> those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
: >>
: >>
: >> And...
: >>
: >>
: >> "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
: >> has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
: >> remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
: >> seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
: >> if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
: >> religion of secularism. They are wrong."
: >>
: >>
: >> And perhaps most egregious of all...
: >>
: >>
: >> "Freedom requires religion."
: >
: > He was quoting John Adams.
: No, he wasn't, dumbass, and that's a good thing because Adams never said it.
: Here is the relevent portion of his speech from that well-know liberal
: website, www.mittromney.com/News/Speeches/Faith_In_America :
: "...In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of
: contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. ... Our
: constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'
: Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens
: the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs
: and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish
: alone."
"Freedom requires religion" Adams was a brilliant man.
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 10:23:09 AM |
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"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:MY6dnUZC9KB7qMLanZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com...
In alt.politics.usa.republican Lamont Cranston <Lamont.Cranston@umbra.com>
wrote:
: "SyVyN11" <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:fjmkk6$j9k$1@news.albasani.net...
: >
: > "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: > news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
: >>
: >> Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
: >> - but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
: >> Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
: >> this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
: >> Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
: >>
: >> Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
: >> Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
: >> Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
: >> Association.
: >>
: >> The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the
purpose
: >> was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
: >> the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
: >> flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
: >> HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
: >>
: >> Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of
his
: >> own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
: >> is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
: >>
: >> As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
: >>
: >> "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
: >> on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
: >>
: >> But really, who cares?
: >>
: >> Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
: >> Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
: >>
: >> That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
: >> believe what they want without persecution.
: >>
: >> That's freedom, baby!
: >>
: >> And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
: >> defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
: >> public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
: >> utmost importance, then it's all good.
: >>
: >> Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
: >>
: >> Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
: >>
: >>
: >> "Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
: >> those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
: >>
: >>
: >> And...
: >>
: >>
: >> "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
: >> has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
: >> remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
: >> seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is
as
: >> if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
: >> religion of secularism. They are wrong."
: >>
: >>
: >> And perhaps most egregious of all...
: >>
: >>
: >> "Freedom requires religion."
: >
: > He was quoting John Adams.
: No, he wasn't, dumbass, and that's a good thing because Adams never said
it.
: Here is the relevent portion of his speech from that well-know liberal
: website, www.mittromney.com/News/Speeches/Faith_In_America :
: "...In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power
capable of
: contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. ...
Our
: constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'
: Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom
opens
: the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound
beliefs
: and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish
: alone."
"Freedom requires religion" Adams was a brilliant man.
He was especially brilliant in NOT EVER SAYING, "Freedom requires religion."
Only a moron could say something so fucking stupid.
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| User: "Frank Pittel" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
11 Dec 2007 07:11:43 PM |
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In alt.politics.usa.republican SyVyN11 <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
: >
: > Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
: > - but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
: > Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
: > this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
: > Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
: >
: > Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
: > Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
: > Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
: > Association.
: >
: > The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
: > was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
: > the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
: > flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
: > HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
: >
: > Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
: > own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
: > is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
: >
: > As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
: >
: > "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
: > on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
: >
: > But really, who cares?
: >
: > Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
: > Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
: >
: > That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
: > believe what they want without persecution.
: >
: > That's freedom, baby!
: >
: > And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
: > defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
: > public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
: > utmost importance, then it's all good.
: >
: > Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
: >
: > Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
: >
: >
: > "Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
: > those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
: >
: >
: > And...
: >
: >
: > "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
: > has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
: > remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
: > seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
: > if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
: > religion of secularism. They are wrong."
: >
: >
: > And perhaps most egregious of all...
: >
: >
: > "Freedom requires religion."
: He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
Don't you know that the official looney tune brain dead lying loser lib
dem lie is that the founding fathers were athiests??
--
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 10:23:57 AM |
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"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:MY6dnUdC9KDSqMLanZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com...
In alt.politics.usa.republican SyVyN11 <robhorine711@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: news:9hjtl3p1q9d1nc9152ngh9f55ob8t819nn@4ax.com...
: >
: > Mitt Romney didn't seem particularly bothered about the NIE last week
: > - but that's probably because he was too busy trying to convince
: > Christian conservatives (and I use the term "Christian" loosely in
: > this context) that he's not going to take the country on some crazy
: > Mormon rollercoaster ride to Outer Hades.
: >
: > Romney gave a speech last week at the George H.W. Bush Presidential
: > Library which was intended to conjure up the spirit of John F.
: > Kennedy's famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
: > Association.
: >
: > The only difference of course being that in Kennedy's case the purpose
: > was to put religion where it belongs in a presidential campaign - off
: > the table - whereas in Romney's case the purpose was to put a big
: > flashing neon sign over his head which read "HOT FRESH RELIGION RIGHT
: > HERE!! COME AND GET IT!!"
: >
: > Romney's line of attack appeared to be to avoid much discussion of his
: > own particular faith and instead talk about "a topic which I believe
: > is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty."
: >
: > As such Romney managed to use the word "Mormon" just once:
: >
: > "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it." So come
: > on fundamentalists, pay no attention to the magic underpants.
: >
: > But really, who cares?
: >
: > Who cares if the president is a Mormon, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a
: > Wiccan, or a Pastafarian?
: >
: > That is one of the things that makes America great - that people can
: > believe what they want without persecution.
: >
: > That's freedom, baby!
: >
: > And as long as the president understands that his (or her) job is to
: > defend the Constitution, that religion should not be injected into
: > public policy, and that the separation of church and state is of
: > utmost importance, then it's all good.
: >
: > Which is why, when it comes to Mitt Romney, it's all bad.
: >
: > Here are a few more excerpts from his oh-so-inclusive speech:
: >
: >
: > "Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of
: > those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world."
: >
: >
: > And...
: >
: >
: > "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state
: > has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to
: > remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is
: > seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as
: > if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the
: > religion of secularism. They are wrong."
: >
: >
: > And perhaps most egregious of all...
: >
: >
: > "Freedom requires religion."
: He was quoting John Adams. Y'know, a FOUNDING FATHER!!!
Don't you know that the official looney tune brain dead lying loser lib
dem lie is that the founding fathers were athiests??
Cite?
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| User: "fargo116" |
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| Title: Re: Mutt Romney: "Freedom requires religion" |
12 Dec 2007 02:55:21 PM |
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