<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iotyb.50658$uw5.18312@fe2.columbus.rr.com...

Well, Honey, the average murder rate in the state of California, in

was 6.6 people per day, by the state figures. Vastly exceeds the number
killed in Iraq since PRESIDENT Bush made this statement.

In other words you're justifying the loss of America's sons and daughters

Iraq by the murders in CA.

Does that mean we are losing, no, even fighting a "war" in California?

It has no relevance to the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

You leftists are really a sick bunch of unwashed, dope sucking morons,

would sell our country to elect another of your airheaded hippies

president,

simply so you could continue to live on taxpayer welfare..

Translation: You don't have a rebut but rely on demonizing "leftists" with
namecalling and foolishness.


--
"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."

- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."

"NotBush2004" <notbush@whitehouse.org> wrote in message
news:3fca56af$0$60294$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com...

President Bush proclaimed aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham

Lincoln

on

May 1, 2003:

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card (ph), officers and sailors of the USS

Abraham

Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have

ended.

In

the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

http://www.milparts.net/bush-on-uss-lincoln.html

----------------------------------------------------

Iraq attacks leave 15 dead

Sunday, November 30, 2003

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Fifteen people have been killed in five weekend
attacks on troops, diplomats, agents and contractors from countries
participating in the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq.

The attacks came at the close of the deadliest month for coalition

forces

since the war began, but U.S. and coalition officials reiterated their
determination to stay in Iraq despite such strikes.

Two South Korean power company contractors were killed and two others
wounded, one critically, in an attack in northern Iraq, South Korean
officials said.

On Saturday, Iraqi insurgents killed seven Spanish intelligence agents

and

wounded another as their convoy moved south from Baghdad. Spain's

defense

minister called the highway ambush an "assassination."

Two Japanese diplomats and their Iraqi driver were shot and killed

Tikrit when they made a stop for food en route to an Iraqi

reconstruction

conference, U.S. military and Japanese officials said.

Assailants armed with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms

a

U.S. military convoy east of Qusaybah near Iraq's border with Syria,

killing

two U.S. soldiers and wounding another, according to the Coalition

Information Center.

And coalition officials say a civilian -- a senior security

representative

of a U.S. company providing contracted services in Iraq -- was shot

killed Saturday as he drove to a U.S. base north of Baghdad near

The representative was a citizen of Colombia and an employee of

Brown & Root Services, a subsidiary of Halliburton Co., U.S. Gen. Mark
Kimmitt said. Colombia is among the members of the coalition.

With the deaths of the two U.S. soldiers Saturday, the number of

coalition

troops killed in Iraq during November reached 100 -- more than in

or

April, when the war was in full force. Eighty-eight of the soldiers

under hostile fire.

The deaths include 81 Americans, 17 Italians killed in the bombing of

the

Italian military headquarters in Nasiriya, a British soldier who died

a

traffic accident and a Polish major killed when his convoy was

(Deaths by month)
And the U.S. military Sunday admitted the downing of two Black Hawk
helicopters, which collided in midair over Mosul, was probably the

result

of

a rocket-propelled grenade fired at one of the aircraft.

Army officer Col. Joe Anderson said that while the investigation into

the

November 15 crash is not conclusive, "it appears that the collision

caused by one of them being hit by something from the ground, probably

rocket."

A coalition spokesman said Iraqi insurgents "are trying to break the
coalition's will."

"The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are grateful for the
liberation, and they don't want us to leave," Coalition Provisional
Authority spokesman Dan Senyor said.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a coalition military spokesman, said the

attacks

reflected the insurgents' apparent shift from military targets to

civilian

or diplomatic "soft" targets.

"We have said for the last couple of weeks that we have seen the enemy
starting to attack soft targets, Iraqi targets, rather than military
targets," Kimmitt said. "He is attempting to intimidate the people of

Iraq.

He will not succeed."

In Madrid, a transport plane carrying the bodies of the seven slain
Spaniards landed Sunday night at an air base near the capital.

Earlier, Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar told his nation in a
televised address that Spain would stay in Iraq and continue to

the

U.S-led coalition despite the agents' deaths.

Spain has about 1,300 troops in Iraq stationed in the

sector of the country between Baghdad and Basra.

Coalition forces secure the road near where seven Spanish intelligence
agents were killed in Iraq.

The Japanese victims were identified as Katsuhiko Oku, 45, who worked

for

the Japanese Embassy in London and who had been in Iraq for several

months,

and Masamori Inoue, 30, who worked for the Japanese Embassy in

Foreign Minister Yoriko Kawaguchi said the attack occurred as the two

men

were traveling to attend an Iraqi reconstruction conference.

"There's no change in the Japanese government's foreign policy,"

Kawaguchi

said. Japan will not close its embassy in Baghdad and officials are

considering reducing staffing levels there, she added.

Hours before Saturday's attacks, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, head of

coalition

ground forces in Iraq, told reporters that attacks against coalition

forces

in Iraq had dropped by 30 percent over the past two weeks.

He said the average of 22 engagements per day over the past week was

down

from more than 35 per day in prior weeks.

That trend, however, has reversed for Iraqis working with the U.S.-led
coalition.

Since the start of Ramadan, attacks on Iraqis have more than doubled,
Sanchez said, noting in the 32 days since the start of the Muslim holy
month, 74 attacks had been directed against Iraqi civilians and

government

officials and 82 attacks against Iraqi security forces.

CNN Seoul Bureau Chief Sohn Jie-Ae and CNN Madrid Bureau Chief Al

Goodman

contributed to this report

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/30/sprj.irq.main/index.html


--
"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."

- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."

<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:<iotyb.50658$uw5.18312@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...

Well, Honey, the average murder rate in the state of California, in 2002,
was 6.6 people per day, by the state figures. Vastly exceeds the number
killed in Iraq since PRESIDENT Bush made this statement.

Does that mean we are losing, no, even fighting a "war" in California?

The population of California is 35 million. The number of US troops in
Iraq is ~ 135,000. If the number of "murders" in California were in
line with the number of murders per day in Iraq, then there would be
1700+ murders per day in California.

You are an idiot who does not understand basic math.

You leftists are really a sick bunch of unwashed, dope sucking morons, who
would sell our country to elect another of your airheaded hippies president,
simply so you could continue to live on taxpayer welfare..
"NotBush2004" <notbush@whitehouse.org> wrote in message
news:3fca56af$0$60294$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com...

President Bush proclaimed aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln

on

May 1, 2003:

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card (ph), officers and sailors of the USS Abraham
Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended.

In

the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

http://www.milparts.net/bush-on-uss-lincoln.html

----------------------------------------------------

Iraq attacks leave 15 dead

Sunday, November 30, 2003

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Fifteen people have been killed in five weekend
attacks on troops, diplomats, agents and contractors from countries
participating in the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq.

The attacks came at the close of the deadliest month for coalition forces
since the war began, but U.S. and coalition officials reiterated their
determination to stay in Iraq despite such strikes.

Two South Korean power company contractors were killed and two others
wounded, one critically, in an attack in northern Iraq, South Korean
officials said.

On Saturday, Iraqi insurgents killed seven Spanish intelligence agents and
wounded another as their convoy moved south from Baghdad. Spain's defense
minister called the highway ambush an "assassination."

Two Japanese diplomats and their Iraqi driver were shot and killed near
Tikrit when they made a stop for food en route to an Iraqi reconstruction
conference, U.S. military and Japanese officials said.

Assailants armed with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms ambushed a
U.S. military convoy east of Qusaybah near Iraq's border with Syria,

killing

two U.S. soldiers and wounding another, according to the Coalition Press
Information Center.

And coalition officials say a civilian -- a senior security representative
of a U.S. company providing contracted services in Iraq -- was shot and
killed Saturday as he drove to a U.S. base north of Baghdad near Balad.

The representative was a citizen of Colombia and an employee of Kellogg
Brown & Root Services, a subsidiary of Halliburton Co., U.S. Gen. Mark
Kimmitt said. Colombia is among the members of the coalition.

With the deaths of the two U.S. soldiers Saturday, the number of coalition
troops killed in Iraq during November reached 100 -- more than in March or
April, when the war was in full force. Eighty-eight of the soldiers died
under hostile fire.

The deaths include 81 Americans, 17 Italians killed in the bombing of the
Italian military headquarters in Nasiriya, a British soldier who died in a
traffic accident and a Polish major killed when his convoy was shelled.
(Deaths by month)
And the U.S. military Sunday admitted the downing of two Black Hawk
helicopters, which collided in midair over Mosul, was probably the result

of

a rocket-propelled grenade fired at one of the aircraft.

Army officer Col. Joe Anderson said that while the investigation into the
November 15 crash is not conclusive, "it appears that the collision was
caused by one of them being hit by something from the ground, probably a
rocket."

A coalition spokesman said Iraqi insurgents "are trying to break the
coalition's will."

"The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are grateful for the
liberation, and they don't want us to leave," Coalition Provisional
Authority spokesman Dan Senyor said.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a coalition military spokesman, said the attacks
reflected the insurgents' apparent shift from military targets to civilian
or diplomatic "soft" targets.

"We have said for the last couple of weeks that we have seen the enemy
starting to attack soft targets, Iraqi targets, rather than military
targets," Kimmitt said. "He is attempting to intimidate the people of

Iraq.

He will not succeed."

In Madrid, a transport plane carrying the bodies of the seven slain
Spaniards landed Sunday night at an air base near the capital.

Earlier, Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar told his nation in a
televised address that Spain would stay in Iraq and continue to support

the

U.S-led coalition despite the agents' deaths.

Spain has about 1,300 troops in Iraq stationed in the Polish-controlled
sector of the country between Baghdad and Basra.

Coalition forces secure the road near where seven Spanish intelligence
agents were killed in Iraq.

The Japanese victims were identified as Katsuhiko Oku, 45, who worked for
the Japanese Embassy in London and who had been in Iraq for several

months,

and Masamori Inoue, 30, who worked for the Japanese Embassy in Baghdad.

Foreign Minister Yoriko Kawaguchi said the attack occurred as the two men
were traveling to attend an Iraqi reconstruction conference.

"There's no change in the Japanese government's foreign policy," Kawaguchi
said. Japan will not close its embassy in Baghdad and officials are not
considering reducing staffing levels there, she added.

Hours before Saturday's attacks, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, head of

coalition

ground forces in Iraq, told reporters that attacks against coalition

forces

in Iraq had dropped by 30 percent over the past two weeks.

He said the average of 22 engagements per day over the past week was down
from more than 35 per day in prior weeks.

That trend, however, has reversed for Iraqis working with the U.S.-led
coalition.

Since the start of Ramadan, attacks on Iraqis have more than doubled,
Sanchez said, noting in the 32 days since the start of the Muslim holy
month, 74 attacks had been directed against Iraqi civilians and government
officials and 82 attacks against Iraqi security forces.

CNN Seoul Bureau Chief Sohn Jie-Ae and CNN Madrid Bureau Chief Al Goodman
contributed to this report

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/30/sprj.irq.main/index.html


--
"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."

- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."