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01 May 2005 08:44:18 AM |
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N. Korea says no resolution with Bush in office. |
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world a
less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you believe.
N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards reunification
when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been down hill ever
since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it means they won't
have to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
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DPRK: Not expect to solve nuke issue in Bush term
www.chinaview.cn 2005-04-30 23:16:20
PYONGYANG, April 30 (Xinhuanet) -- The Democratic People's Republic of
Korea (DPRK) on Saturday said that it does not expect any solution to the
nuclear issue or any progress in the DPRK-US relations during the tenure of
incumbent US president George W. Bush.
"Because, Bush is, indeed, a world dictator whose hands are stained with
the blood shed by innocent civilians," the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA)
quoted a spokesman of the DPRK's Foreign Ministry as saying. "Peace can
never settle in the world as long as Bush stays in power."
The spokesman said that over more than four years since Bush's
inauguration, the DPRK has shown "utmost magnanimity and patience." He
stressed that it can no longer do so, "waiting for any shift in the US
policy."
The DPRK's anger came after Bush made accusation against the DPRK's top
leader Kim Jong-il at a press conference on Friday, when Bush branded Kim as
a "tyrant and a dangerous man."
When asked about whether the DPRK can mount a nuclear device on a
missile, Bush said it was best to expect the worst from the DPRK leader.
"There is concern about his capability to deliver a nuclear weapon. We
don't know if he can or not but I think it's best, when you're dealing with
a tyrant like Kim Jong-il, to assume he can," Bush said at the press
conference.
In return, the DPRK spokesman termed Bush as "a hooligan bereft of any
personality as a human being, to say nothing of stature as president of a
country."
"He is a half-baked man in terms of morality and a philistine whom we
can never deal with," he added.
Tension between the US and the DPRK has grown since earlier this week
after a senior official of the US Defense Intelligence Agency said the DPRK
may have mastered the technology for mounting a nuclear warhead on a missile
capable of hitting the West Coast of the United States.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-04/30/content_2901865.htm
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Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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01 May 2005 09:50:30 AM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114955074.0cb5bd8d265e84951cb45b29ea78e831@teranews...
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world a
less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you believe.
N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards reunification
when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been down hill ever
since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it means they won't have
to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
North Korea is always willing to make
deals that will not be verified. You
leftists should know that by now.
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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01 May 2005 10:10:38 AM |
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Bob wrote:
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114955074.0cb5bd8d265e84951cb45b29ea78e831@teranews...
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world a
less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you believe.
N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards reunification
when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been down hill ever
since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it means they won't have
to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
North Korea is always willing to make
deals that will not be verified. You
leftists should know that by now.
But they don't. They're blinded by their hatred of Bush and their love
of all things Carter and Clinton.
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| User: "Racist Democrat Senator Chris Dodd I love KKK Senator Robert Sheets Byrd @senate.gov" |
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01 May 2005 12:50:08 PM |
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"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Oj6de.18337$lZ.15553@trnddc04...
Bob wrote:
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114955074.0cb5bd8d265e84951cb45b29ea78e831@teranews...
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world
a
less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you
believe.
N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards
reunification
when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been down hill ever
since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it means they won't
have
to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
North Korea is always willing to make
deals that will not be verified. You
leftists should know that by now.
But they don't. They're blinded by their hatred of Bush and their love
of all things Carter and Clinton.
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N Korea loves Clinton because Clinton sold them our Nuclear technology thats
why.
Could it be said that President Bush was so focused on Iraq that another far
greater threat emerged - and that six nuclear bombs were developed by North
Korea on his watch?"
Card: North Korea Got Nukes on Clinton's Watch
White House chief of staff Andrew Card fired back at New York Sen. Hillary
Clinton on Sunday, pointing out that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il
obtained his first nuclear weapon while her husband was president.
After citing Mrs. Clinton's claim Friday that Pyongyang developed a nuclear
intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the U.S. during the
Bush administration, NBC's "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert asked Card
Card shot back:
"Or on President Clinton's watch. Some of those weapons may well have been
produced as they were violating the agreement they had with President
Clinton. That's what a North Korean delegation said to an American diplomat.
And they said it with great pride."
On Friday, Mrs. Clinton blamed the Bush administration for not stopping
Pyongyang as it perfected its ability to strike the U.S. with ICBMs.
"They couldn't do that when George Bush became president, and now they can,"
she told the New York Times.
In fact, two years before her husband left office, a Congressional study
warned that North Korea would soon gain the capacity to make nuclear bombs
thanks to the plutonium produced by two light water nuclear reactors given
to Pyongyang by the Clinton administration.
The report by the House North Korea Advisory Group also flatly stated:
"Unlike five years ago [before the Clinton administration's Agreed Framework
was implemented], North Korea can now strike the United States with a
missile that could deliver high explosive, chemical, biological, or possibly
nuclear weapons."
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| User: "Racist Democrat Senator Chris Dodd I love KKK Senator Robert Sheets Byrd @senate.gov" |
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01 May 2005 09:34:28 AM |
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A 1999 Congressional finding that North Korea first obtained the capacity to
develop nuclear weapons under her husband's administration, which actually
gave Kim Jong Il nuclear technology in exchange for the promise that he
would not make weapons.
A report compiled at the time by the House North Korea Advisory Group
warned: "If the [Clinton administration's] 1994 Agreed Framework is
implemented and two [U.S. Light Water Reactors] are eventually built and
operated in North Korea, the reactors could produce close to 500 kilograms
of plutonium in spent reactor fuel each year; enough for nearly 100 bombs
annually if North Korea decides to break its obligations and reprocess the
material
MR. RUSSERT: You heard the secretary of state say that when the Bush
administration took over in 2001, they were told by your administration, the
Clinton administration, in terms of North Korea, "There was nothing to worry
about."
But didn't North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton's watch?
MS. ALBRIGHT: No, what they were doing, as it turns out, they were
cheating. And the reason that you have arms control agreements is you don't
make them with your friends, you make them with your enemies. And it's the
process that is required to hold countries accountable. The worst part that
has happened under the agreed framework, there was these fuel rods, and the
nuclear program was frozen. Those fuel rods have now been reprocessed, as
far as we know, and North Korea has a capability, which at one time might
have been two potential nuclear weapons, up to six to eight now, we're not
really clear. But in this period of time when there has not enough action
been taken, I think that the threat from North Korea has increased.
MR. RUSSERT: And it is now an imminent threat?
MS. ALBRIGHT: Well, I think it's a very dangerous threat, and I also think
they get the wrong message out of Iraq. You know, we invade countries that
don't have nuclear weapons and we don't invade those that do. We didn't
invade the Soviet Union and China, so why not build up nuclear weapons as
quickly as possible?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5981265/
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: If N. Korea has nuclear bombs then why did we invade Iraq? | Re: How the Clinton's Sold N Korea Nukes |
01 May 2005 08:51:40 PM |
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"Racist Democrat Senator Chris Dodd" <I love KKK Senator Robert Sheets Byrd
@senate.gov> wrote in message news:gvCdna51dONvdenfRVn-hg@adelphia.com...
A 1999 Congressional finding that North Korea first obtained the capacity
to
develop nuclear weapons under her husband's administration, which actually
gave Kim Jong Il nuclear technology in exchange for the promise that he
would not make weapons.
A report compiled at the time by the House North Korea Advisory Group
warned: "If the [Clinton administration's] 1994 Agreed Framework is
implemented and two [U.S. Light Water Reactors] are eventually built and
operated in North Korea, the reactors could produce close to 500 kilograms
of plutonium in spent reactor fuel each year; enough for nearly 100 bombs
annually if North Korea decides to break its obligations and reprocess the
material
Is this part of MSNBC's article? If so point it out or link to where this
come from.
The majority of nukes, if not all of them were produced under the Bush
regime. Instead of dealing with the country will real WMD Bush invaded the
country with no WMD and the world's second largest oil reserves. Go figure.
The world has become less safe under the Bush cabal.
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Words mean nothing -- nothing to George Bush. They are just utterances. They
have no meaning. Bush can say again and again, “well, we don't do torture.”
We know what happened. We know about Abu Ghraib. We know, we see
anecdotally.
http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=05/01/26/1450204
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| User: "JimK" |
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01 May 2005 02:25:28 PM |
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On Sun, 1 May 2005 10:34:28 -0400, "Racist Democrat Senator Chris
Dodd" <I love KKK Senator Robert Sheets Byrd @senate.gov> wrote:
A 1999 Congressional finding that North Korea first obtained the capacity to
develop nuclear weapons under her husband's administration, which actually
gave Kim Jong Il nuclear technology in exchange for the promise that he
would not make weapons.
It quoted the North’s Kang as having said, ``U.S. President George
Bush designated North Korea as part of an `axis of evil’ and your
nation has armed forces in the South, so we are pursuing the nuclear
weapons program.’’
http://www.hankooki.com/times/200210/t2002101717421040110.htm
Some analysts in Seoul suspect that Washington might have exaggerated
what Pyongyang officials said during James Kelly's trip.
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2002/10/18/200210180041.asp
Talks Were Frozen by New Administration
The Clinton administration had tried to reach an agreement with the
North Koreans to shut down their missile research program if other
nations would launch its satellites. However, the Bush administration
had initially suspended those discussions.
Pyongyang had shown frustration with President Bush's delay in
restarting talks, and had recently threatened to reconsider its
previous commitments, including the freeze on its nuclear program and
missile testing.
But now, as part of an extensive foreign policy review, the
administration says it is prepared to renew that dialog. But U.S.
officials say what happens next is up to Pyongyang.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/korea_bush010606.html
President Bush's Deferral of North Korean Negotiations: A Missed
Opportunity to Curb North Korea's Missile Program
President Bush said at a March 7 press conference with visiting South
Korean President Kim Dae Jung that there were no plans at this time to
resume talks with North Korea to end its ballistic missile program and
missile exports because of concerns about Pyongyang's trustworthiness
and the verifiability of current and future agreements. The North
Korean missile program is frequently cited as the leading motivation
for development of a national missile defense. Arms Control
Association Press Conference Rush Transcript, March 23, 2001
http://www.nyu.edu/globalbeat/asia-nor.html
March 8, 2001 Updated Daily
Bush Won't Resume Missile Talks With North Korea
In a sharp reversal from Clinton administration foreign policy,
President Bush has told South Korea's president that the United States
has no plans to resume missile talks with North Korea anytime soon.
http://www.publicagenda.org/headlines/headline030801.htm
METHOD OR MADNESS?
On January 29, President George W. Bush announced what seemed a new
U.S. policy toward the Korean Peninsula -- and threw observers
worldwide into confusion. In his state of the union address that
night, Bush outlined the steps to come in his administration's "war on
terrorism." Among them was a tough new approach to what he termed an
"axis of evil": North Korea, Iraq, and Iran
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20020501faessay8059/victor-d-cha/korea-s-place-in-the-axis.html
White House Signals an End to North Korea Negotiations as Bush
Administration Pursues National Missile Defense Program
http://www.wpkn.org/wpkn/news/btl033001.html
When South Korean President Kim Dae-jung visited Washington, DC, in
early March, Bush uttered some pleasantries about Kim's peace efforts
and congratulated him on winning the Nobel Prize, but otherwise
rebuffed and embarrassed him saying the US wouldn't talk to North
Korea about anything
http://www.atimes.com/editor/CD18Ba01.htm
A report compiled at the time by the House North Korea Advisory Group
warned: "If the [Clinton administration's] 1994 Agreed Framework is
implemented and two [U.S. Light Water Reactors] are eventually built and
operated in North Korea, the reactors could produce close to 500 kilograms
of plutonium in spent reactor fuel each year; enough for nearly 100 bombs
annually if North Korea decides to break its obligations and reprocess the
material
MR. RUSSERT: You heard the secretary of state say that when the Bush
administration took over in 2001, they were told by your administration, the
Clinton administration, in terms of North Korea, "There was nothing to worry
about."
But didn't North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton's watch?
MS. ALBRIGHT: No, what they were doing, as it turns out, they were
cheating. And the reason that you have arms control agreements is you don't
make them with your friends, you make them with your enemies. And it's the
process that is required to hold countries accountable. The worst part that
has happened under the agreed framework, there was these fuel rods, and the
nuclear program was frozen. Those fuel rods have now been reprocessed, as
far as we know, and North Korea has a capability, which at one time might
have been two potential nuclear weapons, up to six to eight now, we're not
really clear. But in this period of time when there has not enough action
been taken, I think that the threat from North Korea has increased.
MR. RUSSERT: And it is now an imminent threat?
MS. ALBRIGHT: Well, I think it's a very dangerous threat, and I also think
they get the wrong message out of Iraq. You know, we invade countries that
don't have nuclear weapons and we don't invade those that do. We didn't
invade the Soviet Union and China, so why not build up nuclear weapons as
quickly as possible?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5981265/
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| User: "Racist Democrat Senator Chris Dodd I love KKK Senator Robert Sheets Byrd @senate.gov" |
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01 May 2005 03:34:52 PM |
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"JimK" <1alpha@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:scba719v3dp3ojvl4d9355ptneghol6u5a@4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 May 2005 10:34:28 -0400, "Racist Democrat Senator Chris
Dodd" <I love KKK Senator Robert Sheets Byrd @senate.gov> wrote:
A 1999 Congressional finding that North Korea first obtained the capacity
to
develop nuclear weapons under her husband's administration, which
actually
gave Kim Jong Il nuclear technology in exchange for the promise that he
would not make weapons.
It quoted the North's Kang as having said, ``U.S. President George
Bush designated North Korea as part of an `axis of evil' and your
nation has armed forces in the South, so we are pursuing the nuclear
weapons program.''
http://www.hankooki.com/times/200210/t2002101717421040110.htm
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So you think N Korea bought Nuclear Material from Clinton just for the
amusement of it eh?
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| User: "Charles Aulds" |
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01 May 2005 08:52:40 AM |
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On Sun, 1 May 2005 07:44:18 -0600, "Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world a
less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you believe.
N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards reunification
when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been down hill ever
since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it means they won't
have to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
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Hence, the importance to the White House of John Bolton's UN ambassadorship
appoinment.
Bolton's appointment to the UN is a major deal. It indicates (at least to me)
that the President does not want a "diplomat" as the US representative to the
UN. He wants another hard-liner who will take a compromising stand on anything
.... a person who will not negotiate. Definitely not a "diplomat."
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, apparently, knows that.
How about the current Secy of State Condoleeza Rice's statement to Vladimir
Putin in Russia a couple of weeks back that the US expects him to step down
after his term expires? Is that diplomacy? Hardly.
Bolton, if confirmed, will definitely further the administration's plans for
their next war, which may well be a bigger war than they expect. The Iraqi
experience has convinced me that we count on it being a "cakewalk."
More war isn't going to solve any of the problems that face this nation ... no,
not even high gasoline prices. We are burdened with a government that cares
more about centralized power than traditional principles of limited federal
government, fiscal responsibility, respect for individual liberty, and restraint
in the use of our military forces to fight unnecessary foreign wars (all
traditional "conservative" values).
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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01 May 2005 09:02:37 AM |
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Charles Aulds wrote:
On Sun, 1 May 2005 07:44:18 -0600, "Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world a
less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you believe.
N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards reunification
when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been down hill ever
since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it means they won't
have to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
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Hence, the importance to the White House of John Bolton's UN ambassadorship
appoinment.
Bolton's appointment to the UN is a major deal. It indicates (at least to me)
that the President does not want a "diplomat" as the US representative to the
UN. He wants another hard-liner who will take a compromising stand on anything
... a person who will not negotiate. Definitely not a "diplomat."
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, apparently, knows that.
How about the current Secy of State Condoleeza Rice's statement to Vladimir
Putin in Russia a couple of weeks back that the US expects him to step down
after his term expires? Is that diplomacy? Hardly.
Bolton, if confirmed, will definitely further the administration's plans for
their next war, which may well be a bigger war than they expect. The Iraqi
experience has convinced me that we count on it being a "cakewalk."
More war isn't going to solve any of the problems that face this nation ... no,
not even high gasoline prices. We are burdened with a government that cares
more about centralized power than traditional principles of limited federal
government, fiscal responsibility, respect for individual liberty, and restraint
in the use of our military forces to fight unnecessary foreign wars (all
traditional "conservative" values).
You believe that diplomacy means obfuscating, sending mixed signals,
confusing so that inaction occurs.
But diplomacy is not that. Diplomacy is avoiding war. And straight talk,
not confusing statements, makes it clear how a nation can avoid war, can
avoid difficulties with the US.
As far as Colin Powell "knowing that", what do you mean?
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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01 May 2005 09:09:23 AM |
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"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1k5de.6279$eC.2184@trnddc07...
Charles Aulds wrote:
On Sun, 1 May 2005 07:44:18 -0600, "Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Again and again we've seen Bush and the neo-fascist cabal make the world
a less safer, not more, as their propaganda would attempt to have you
believe. N. Korea and S. Korea were on the cusp of negotiations towards
reunification when Bush was appointed to his first term and it has been
down hill ever since. The neo-fascists want bad feelings and war if it
means they won't have to compromise and can be the bullies they prefer.
---------------------------------
Hence, the importance to the White House of John Bolton's UN
ambassadorship
appoinment.
Bolton's appointment to the UN is a major deal. It indicates (at least
to me)
that the President does not want a "diplomat" as the US representative to
the
UN. He wants another hard-liner who will take a compromising stand on
anything
... a person who will not negotiate. Definitely not a "diplomat."
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, apparently, knows that.
How about the current Secy of State Condoleeza Rice's statement to
Vladimir
Putin in Russia a couple of weeks back that the US expects him to step
down
after his term expires? Is that diplomacy? Hardly.
Bolton, if confirmed, will definitely further the administration's plans
for
their next war, which may well be a bigger war than they expect. The
Iraqi
experience has convinced me that we count on it being a "cakewalk." More
war isn't going to solve any of the problems that face this nation ...
no,
not even high gasoline prices. We are burdened with a government that
cares
more about centralized power than traditional principles of limited
federal
government, fiscal responsibility, respect for individual liberty, and
restraint
in the use of our military forces to fight unnecessary foreign wars (all
traditional "conservative" values).
You believe that diplomacy means obfuscating, sending mixed signals,
confusing so that inaction occurs.
But diplomacy is not that. Diplomacy is avoiding war. And straight talk,
not confusing statements, makes it clear how a nation can avoid war, can
avoid difficulties with the US.
Bush's warmongering and invasion of Iraq were in direct contradiction to
Christian's propaganda. Are we surprised that Christian is an example of
obfuscation and mixed signals? No, he's a neo-fascist cut from Bush/Bolton
cloth.
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1435181,00.html
www.iraqbodycount.net
www.costofwar.com
http://icasualties.org/oif/
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01 May 2005 09:35:35 AM |
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I thought you could trust a commie by selling them Nukes and believeing
them when they say they won't cheat on us!
MR. RUSSERT: You heard the secretary of state say that when the Bush
administration took over in 2001, they were told by your administration, the
Clinton administration, in terms of North Korea, "There was nothing to worry
about."
But didn't North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton's watch?
MS. ALBRIGHT: No, what they were doing, as it turns out, they were
cheating. And the reason that you have arms control agreements is you don't
make them with your friends, you make them with your enemies. And it's the
process that is required to hold countries accountable. The worst part that
has happened under the agreed framework, there was these fuel rods, and the
nuclear program was frozen. Those fuel rods have now been reprocessed, as
far as we know, and North Korea has a capability, which at one time might
have been two potential nuclear weapons, up to six to eight now, we're not
really clear. But in this period of time when there has not enough action
been taken, I think that the threat from North Korea has increased.
MR. RUSSERT: And it is now an imminent threat?
MS. ALBRIGHT: Well, I think it's a very dangerous threat, and I also think
they get the wrong message out of Iraq. You know, we invade countries that
don't have nuclear weapons and we don't invade those that do. We didn't
invade the Soviet Union and China, so why not build up nuclear weapons as
quickly as possible?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5981265/
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| User: "Charles Aulds" |
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01 May 2005 09:10:50 AM |
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On Sun, 01 May 2005 14:02:37 GMT, Christian Williamson <c.willi@verizon.net>
wrote:
You believe that diplomacy means obfuscating, sending mixed signals,
confusing so that inaction occurs.
Excuse me, but you have NO IDEA what I believe.
I could just as well say that you believe diplomacy means "getting along with
our world neighbors by letting them use the American military as their
international police force."
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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01 May 2005 09:33:30 AM |
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Charles Aulds wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2005 14:02:37 GMT, Christian Williamson <c.willi@verizon.net>
wrote:
You believe that diplomacy means obfuscating, sending mixed signals,
confusing so that inaction occurs.
Excuse me, but you have NO IDEA what I believe.
Sure, I do. Here's what you said:
How about the current Secy of State Condoleeza Rice's statement to
Vladimir Putin in Russia a couple of weeks back that the US expects
him to step down after his term expires? Is that diplomacy?
Hardly.
You would rather not have her speak directly, in a straightforward
manner. Never mind that Putin pledged to step down in 2008.
Here's what she said: "There's no doubt when we talk about the trends —
the trends have not been positive on the democracy side", and
""Obviously it would not be a positive development if there were some
changes in that circumstance. I don't expect that there will be. We take
President Putin at his word." What she said is completely appropriate.
You, however, being a Bush-hater, continue to look for reasons...
Yes, you are looking for dishonesty and obfuscation. But we need a clear
message from the State Department these days. And we're getting it in
Rice's leadership.
I could just as well say that you believe diplomacy means "getting along with
our world neighbors by letting them use the American military as their
international police force."
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| User: "Charles Aulds" |
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| Title: Re: N. Korea says no resolution with Bush in office. |
01 May 2005 09:40:37 AM |
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On Sun, 01 May 2005 14:33:30 GMT, Christian Williamson <c.willi@verizon.net>
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Yes, you are looking for dishonesty and obfuscation. But we need a clear
message from the State Department these days. And we're getting it in
Rice's leadership.
Honesty. We're getting honesty from this Administration.
You've said enough.
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| User: "What love is not..." |
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| Title: Re: N. Korea says no resolution with Bush in office. |
01 May 2005 01:11:22 PM |
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In article <khq9719u645r7tep6hti67d92q394u2oka@4ax.com>,
Charles Aulds <caulds@hiwaayX.net> wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2005 14:33:30 GMT, Christian Williamson <c.willi@verizon.net>
wrote:
Yes, you are looking for dishonesty and obfuscation. But we need a clear
message from the State Department these days. And we're getting it in
Rice's leadership.
Honesty. We're getting honesty from this Administration.
You've said enough.
What if the is honesty is incorrect or harmful? Does one stick their
ground? That I have heard Bush say on several occasion. That is what
concerns me.
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