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"The Green Troll" |
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29 Sep 2003 08:08:07 PM |
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Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
Jim Riley (jimrtex@pipeline.com) wrote:
* Determining a name for the new state
Perhaps 'Fillmore' in honor of native son Millard Fillmore (from
Cayuga County). Cleveland could also be used, though having a largest
city of Buffalo,Cleveland could be confusing. The Roosevelts are more
associated with NYC and downstate. Fillmore would allow use of FI as
a postal code. Or perhaps Erie in honor of the canal, though Erie,PA
would be outside the bounds, unless it chose to rejoin New York.
Clinton in honor of George Clinton?
Which should be added to <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/region/info.html>?
What about 'Iroquois'?
-- Rip van Winkle
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| User: "Tom Hand" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
29 Sep 2003 08:14:31 PM |
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"The Green Troll" <aloe@rev.net> wrote in message
news:5f6363d3.0309291708.561f850@posting.google.com...
Jim Riley (jimrtex@pipeline.com) wrote:
* Determining a name for the new state
Perhaps 'Fillmore' in honor of native son Millard Fillmore (from
Cayuga County). Cleveland could also be used, though having a largest
city of Buffalo,Cleveland could be confusing. The Roosevelts are more
associated with NYC and downstate. Fillmore would allow use of FI as
a postal code. Or perhaps Erie in honor of the canal, though Erie,PA
would be outside the bounds, unless it chose to rejoin New York.
Clinton in honor of George Clinton?
Which should be added to <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/region/info.html>?
What about 'Iroquois'?
-- Rip van Winkle
Oh God! Is this foreshadowing the return of Jerry?
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| User: "Dave Hitt" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
01 Oct 2003 09:34:04 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:14:31 -0400, "Tom Hand"
<troybuoy@earthling.net> wrote:
"The Green Troll" <aloe@rev.net> wrote in message
news:5f6363d3.0309291708.561f850@posting.google.com...
Jim Riley (jimrtex@pipeline.com) wrote:
* Determining a name for the new state
Perhaps 'Fillmore' in honor of native son Millard Fillmore (from
Cayuga County). Cleveland could also be used, though having a largest
city of Buffalo,Cleveland could be confusing. The Roosevelts are more
associated with NYC and downstate. Fillmore would allow use of FI as
a postal code. Or perhaps Erie in honor of the canal, though Erie,PA
would be outside the bounds, unless it chose to rejoin New York.
Clinton in honor of George Clinton?
Which should be added to <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/region/info.html>?
What about 'Iroquois'?
-- Rip van Winkle
Oh God! Is this foreshadowing the return of Jerry?
Please, don't even mention his name! He might hear you and come
running. We already have to kill file three new ides from the
webTV/Yahoo ***** every single day, let's not have him in here
twisting every single thread to his stupid cause.
---
Don't settle for watching Improv on TV. See it live, and join in the fun!
http://www.insertsomethingfunny.com/index.php
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
30 Sep 2003 04:10:34 PM |
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No dorky names!
Upstate New York should be combined with the far reaches of Ohio, as
the state of Erie.
Either that or just join one day with that famous part of Ontario --
State of Niagara.
Dave Simpson
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
01 Oct 2003 09:41:55 PM |
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"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:23e7f86e.0309301310.4431bf10@posting.google.com...
No dorky names!
Upstate New York should be combined with the far reaches of Ohio, as
the state of Erie.
And what would happen to the part of Pennsylvania that separates NY from
Ohio?
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| User: "The Green Troll" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
03 Oct 2003 12:16:18 AM |
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(Dave Simpson) wrote in message news:<23e7f86e.0309301310.4431bf10@posting.google.com>...
No dorky names!
Please be more specific.
Upstate New York should be combined with the far reaches of Ohio, as
the state of Erie.
Either that or just join one day with that famous part of Ontario --
State of Niagara.
Can you provide boundaries? (Coordinates and compass directions should
be clear enough.)
-- Sir Veyor <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/region>
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
03 Oct 2003 12:02:23 PM |
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The Green Troll wrote:
No dorky names!
Please be more specific.
New states should not have dorky, or silly, names. That was true
for many of the states on that map you found. (Not that you shouldn't
still keep the map handy, but the names of the states are silly.)
The names should make sense given their location and history -- not
because of some neurotic obscession with old Indian tribes, etc. Only
a handful of tribes became truly famous (Iriquois, Apache, Comanche)
and few people associate locations with tribes, etc..
An example of a name that makes sense other than the examples I gave
earlier would be the state of Powell named after John Wesley Powell,
who put the area which would form that state "on the map." What puts
a place "on the map" should be the new state name if at all possible.
Upstate New York should be combined with the far reaches of Ohio, as
the state of Erie.
Either that or just join one day with that famous part of Ontario --
State of Niagara.
Can you provide boundaries? (Coordinates and compass directions should
be clear enough.)
Farthest northeastern Ohio as needed, the obvious western part of
Pennsylvania west of the Eastern Continental Divide (west and north of
it, in fact), and that area beyond the Eastern Continental Divide in
upstate New York should be Erie. It faces Lake Erie, after all, not
the Atlantic, even if much land is in the Ohio River watershed.
Regarding Niagara, it includes Buffalo and everything in Buffalo's
sphere of influence, including the microscopic equivalent "going back
around" the US Erie shore of Ontario's Golden Horseshoe, much of which
lies beyond the Niagara peninsula, which would be the part of Ontario
combined with Buffalo and (only) the closest, influence-bound parts of
New York.
(Niagara is the peninsula, the border zone, and the part of New York
related to and dependent upon it; Erie would be west of that on the US
side of the Lake.)
Dave Simpson
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| User: "The Green Troll" |
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| Title: Re: Names (was CHARTER: us.issues.statehood.upstate-ny) |
03 Oct 2003 08:12:53 PM |
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(Dave Simpson) wrote in message news:<23e7f86e.0310030902.2ea8c10c@posting.google.com>...
Only
a handful of tribes became truly famous (Iriquois, Apache, Comanche)
and few people associate locations with tribes, etc..
How many states adopted them? 23?
the state of Powell named after John Wesley Powell,
who put the area which would form that state "on the map."
That involves several of Pearcy's states and several of Cleaver's
regions. You might be more specific.
Farthest northeastern Ohio as needed,
Ashtabula? Geneva?
-- Prince Metternich <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/region>
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| User: "The Green Troll" |
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| Title: Re: Names |
03 Oct 2003 08:15:35 PM |
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(Dave Simpson) wrote in message news:<23e7f86e.0310030902.2ea8c10c@posting.google.com>...
the obvious western part of
Pennsylvania west of the Eastern Continental Divide
Uniontown? That's near Morgantown.
and that area beyond the Eastern Continental Divide in
upstate New York
Plattsburgh?
Regarding Niagara, it includes Buffalo and everything in Buffalo's
sphere of influence, including the microscopic equivalent "going back
around" the US Erie shore of Ontario's Golden Horseshoe, much of which
lies beyond the Niagara peninsula,
Nanticoke? Simcoe?
-- Prince Metternich <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/region>
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