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User: ""
Date: 27 Jul 2005 05:53:00 PM
Object: Nationalism is not Racism
This came up in discussion with DC in another thread, so why not
expand?
I am not a racial, or individual, egalitarian. I recognize that all
people are different and some are more competent at others in the three
ways that count:
1. Intelligence
2. Strength/Beauty
3. Moral Character
I am a complete biological determinist. You are 80% determined by your
genetics, with 20% free space in which you can either improve yourself
or decrease yourself (cycle of karma). If you work upward, over
generations, you can make something more of yourself; this is how we
went from bacteria to chimps, and chimps to humans.
I am not interested, however, in classifying other races are lesser,
for two reasons:
I. It's bad science.
What is the objective purpose of life? It cannot be determined.
Therefore it's hard for us to rank superior/inferior except according
to our own values and for our own purposes.
II. It's bad nationalism.
If Asians and Whites are superior, why not breed with them and make an
ueberrace, as Nietzsche jokingly suggests? What about a black guy with
an IQ of 160 - shouldn't we breed with him? ***** NO. We breed only
among ourselves, and there's no variance on that issue.
There's another reason as well, although a tangential one. To think too
categorically about this issue is to miss the point: we want to breed
better whites, too, and not all stripes of whites should be bred
together. If we mix Slavs and Germans and Italians and Irish into one
pot, we basically accomplish what our enemies wanted us to: we've
obliterated our heritage and become generic people who will in due time
become interbred with others. We must breed not only tactically (breed
with own race) but strategically (breed according to developed trait
clusters, and breed for the best we can get within our own tribes).
Nationalism to me is the ability to say "I don't give a damn if Negroes
are the best people on earth; my own tribe stays my own tribe." I'm not
a "Pan-Aryan"; I laugh at such ideas, which are generally only endorsed
by low-quality people who want to feel that they are equal to the
mighty Aryans. That's like saying I should go to Harvard because a
distant cousin did... it's not eugenic, nor is it nationalism.
This doesn't mean the bottom line changes. Multiculturalism is insane
and will destroy my people; I wish to destroy it, by any means
necessary. Judaism is an alien religion and Jews are alien genetics;
they must be removed from among my people, by any means necessary. I
feel the same way, as did Dr. Pierce, about most Christian and Buddhist
sects. However, I'm pragmatic about what I do, and about what most
white people feel.
Most white people aren't interested in slagging other races. They
respond more to a positive message about their own, and having the
balls to say "I want to be with my own people" takes more guts than to
complain about how Negroes, etc. are bad and therefore we can "justify"
what we're doing. WE DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING. Our survival is
all we must know. Also, most white people now have friends of other
races and they recognize the positive traits of these people. So do I -
I don't feel a need to disdain them, only to separate them from our
people.
If you want to kvetch about "racial egalitarianism," I suppose you
might have a point to some. To me, the big picture is about building up
our own race and separating it, and the drama and egoism of
superior/inferior does not have a necessary place in that. I care only
about the end result. Everything else is just distraction.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=21207
.

User: "Historical Review"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 27 Jul 2005 10:15:46 PM
<srprozak@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122504780.708144.109990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

This came up in discussion with DC in another thread, so why not
expand?

I am not a racial, or individual, egalitarian. I recognize that all
people are different and some are more competent at others in the three
ways that count:

1. Intelligence
2. Strength/Beauty
3. Moral Character

I am a complete biological determinist. You are 80% determined by your
genetics,

The cells of a newborn baby's brain has no genetic code. Scientific evidence
proves this fact.
When a baby is born, all of the cells in the baby's body has a genetic code,
except for the brain cells. What this means, is that nothing mental is
inherited genetically.
All the other cells in a baby have a genetic code for hair color, skin tone,
height, weight and similar. Except for the brain cells. These are
genetically neutral when a baby is born. This means that all behavior is
learned while a child is growing up.
.

User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 27 Jul 2005 08:01:15 PM
Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...
.
User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 29 Jul 2005 05:24:13 PM
Parsifal wrote:

Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...

Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.
.
User: "Perfesser White"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 30 Jul 2005 06:20:05 PM
In article <nbTGe.2090$yq5.72007720@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:

Parsifal wrote:

Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...

Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.

Ah! Finally, some sanity in this NG. So you both condemn tribalism of
any kind, right?
Perfesser White
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User: "Perfesser White"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 31 Jul 2005 10:59:45 PM
In article
<perfesser_white-F74815.19200330072005@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>,
Perfesser White <perfesser_white@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:

In article <nbTGe.2090$yq5.72007720@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:

Parsifal wrote:

Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...

Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.


Ah! Finally, some sanity in this NG. So you both condemn tribalism of
any kind, right?

Perfesser White

Your silence is most telling, Day Brown and Parsifal. LOL
Perfesser White
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User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 04 Aug 2005 01:44:03 PM
Perfesser White wrote:

In article
<perfesser_white-F74815.19200330072005@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>,
Perfesser White <perfesser_white@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:


In article <nbTGe.2090$yq5.72007720@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:


Parsifal wrote:

Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...


Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.


Ah! Finally, some sanity in this NG. So you both condemn tribalism of
any kind, right?

Perfesser White



Your silence is most telling, Day Brown and Parsifal. LOL

There's a lotta posts. I guess you missed my response.
.
User: "Perfesser White"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 05 Aug 2005 09:04:30 PM
In article <2xOIe.2180$0m5.71893106@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:

Perfesser White wrote:

In article
<perfesser_white-F74815.19200330072005@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>,
Perfesser White <perfesser_white@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:


In article <nbTGe.2090$yq5.72007720@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:


Parsifal wrote:

Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...


Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.


Ah! Finally, some sanity in this NG. So you both condemn tribalism of
any kind, right?

Perfesser White



Your silence is most telling, Day Brown and Parsifal. LOL

There's a lotta posts. I guess you missed my response.

Sure did, and so did Google. The Google archive link below says you had
no response. :~)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/browse
_frm/thread/ee7f48477a6980ad/734cb52e174b4add?tvc=1&hl=en#734cb52e174b4ad
d
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User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 07 Aug 2005 07:26:29 PM
Perfesser White wrote:

In article <2xOIe.2180$0m5.71893106@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:


Perfesser White wrote:

In article
<perfesser_white-F74815.19200330072005@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>,
Perfesser White <perfesser_white@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:



In article <nbTGe.2090$yq5.72007720@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:



Parsifal wrote:


Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...


Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.


Ah! Finally, some sanity in this NG. So you both condemn tribalism of
any kind, right?

Perfesser White



Your silence is most telling, Day Brown and Parsifal. LOL


There's a lotta posts. I guess you missed my response.



Sure did, and so did Google. The Google archive link below says you had
no response. :~)

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/browse
_frm/thread/ee7f48477a6980ad/734cb52e174b4add?tvc=1&hl=en#734cb52e174b4ad
d

That link wont work. Its a two way street dude. I may not have replied
to *all* of your posts. A more rational response, rather than implied ad
hominum, is simply to restate your point, and perhaps include others
that have come up in the interim. alt.politics has several hundred posts
every day. To assume that just cause you dont see a response dont mean
that there was none, or that anyone paid attention to what you said. I
see posts of mine all the time that have no rebuttal.
I dont rag on anyone's case over it. Let them think a while.
.
User: "Perfesser White"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 08 Aug 2005 08:42:47 PM
In article <7QSJe.2246$zb7.75661378@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:

Perfesser White wrote:

In article <2xOIe.2180$0m5.71893106@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:


Perfesser White wrote:

In article
<perfesser_white-F74815.19200330072005@cosmos.uncensored-news.com>,
Perfesser White <perfesser_white@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:



In article <nbTGe.2090$yq5.72007720@typhoon.cei.net>,
Day Brown <daybrown@artelco.com> wrote:



Parsifal wrote:


Funny,
when you use expressions like "our people", I can hear the boots and
the masses screaming...
Personally, "my people" are people who are open-minded, intellectually
curious and not bigotted... Skin colour (interesting that you call the
Jews "alien"... do you feel like invading Poland too?), religion,
sexual orientation, age, even language and nationality... have
absolutely no relevance to my appreciation of people. On the other
hand, mediocre, repressed, frustrated whites like you are not part of
"my people". I also think that for our survival as civilized "people",
persons like you should be removed from the genes pool...


Can you imagine modern, well educated smart women choosing such men to
breed with? That's basically why they are so pissed.


Ah! Finally, some sanity in this NG. So you both condemn tribalism of
any kind, right?

Perfesser White



Your silence is most telling, Day Brown and Parsifal. LOL


There's a lotta posts. I guess you missed my response.



Sure did, and so did Google. The Google archive link below says you had
no response. :~)

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/browse
_frm/thread/ee7f48477a6980ad/734cb52e174b4add?tvc=1&hl=en#734cb52e174b4ad
d

Well, it does, but it wraps over 3 lines. This works better:
http://tinyurl.com/74a5o

That link wont work. Its a two way street dude. I may not have replied
to *all* of your posts. A more rational response, rather than implied ad
hominum, is simply to restate your point, and perhaps include others
that have come up in the interim. alt.politics has several hundred posts
every day. To assume that just cause you dont see a response dont mean
that there was none, or that anyone paid attention to what you said. I
see posts of mine all the time that have no rebuttal.

I dont rag on anyone's case over it. Let them think a while.

Okay, but be prepared to have your own hypocrisy pointed out to you if
you do reply.
Perfesser White
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User: "Day Brown"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 11 Aug 2005 01:45:18 PM
Perfesser White wrote:

That link wont work. Its a two way street dude. I may not have replied
to *all* of your posts. A more rational response, rather than implied ad
hominum, is simply to restate your point, and perhaps include others
that have come up in the interim. alt.politics has several hundred posts
every day. To assume that just cause you dont see a response dont mean
that there was none, or that anyone paid attention to what you said. I
see posts of mine all the time that have no rebuttal.

I dont rag on anyone's case over it. Let them think a while.



Okay, but be prepared to have your own hypocrisy pointed out to you if
you do reply.

Of course; civil discourse is always appreciated. I am a follower of
Epictetus, who was always glad to be shown where he was wrong so that
he would no longer be thinking in error.
But there is so much ad hominum, I just skip the threads that get into
it, and in so doing must miss some good points, but there's just too
much to deal with any other way.
.









User: "John Bull"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 27 Jul 2005 06:43:40 PM
You sure sound like a racist to me...
<srprozak@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122504780.708144.109990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

This came up in discussion with DC in another thread, so why not
expand?

I am not a racial, or individual, egalitarian. I recognize that all
people are different and some are more competent at others in the three
ways that count:

1. Intelligence
2. Strength/Beauty
3. Moral Character

I am a complete biological determinist. You are 80% determined by your
genetics, with 20% free space in which you can either improve yourself
or decrease yourself (cycle of karma). If you work upward, over
generations, you can make something more of yourself; this is how we
went from bacteria to chimps, and chimps to humans.

I am not interested, however, in classifying other races are lesser,
for two reasons:

I. It's bad science.

What is the objective purpose of life? It cannot be determined.
Therefore it's hard for us to rank superior/inferior except according
to our own values and for our own purposes.

II. It's bad nationalism.

If Asians and Whites are superior, why not breed with them and make an
ueberrace, as Nietzsche jokingly suggests? What about a black guy with
an IQ of 160 - shouldn't we breed with him? ***** NO. We breed only
among ourselves, and there's no variance on that issue.

There's another reason as well, although a tangential one. To think too
categorically about this issue is to miss the point: we want to breed
better whites, too, and not all stripes of whites should be bred
together. If we mix Slavs and Germans and Italians and Irish into one
pot, we basically accomplish what our enemies wanted us to: we've
obliterated our heritage and become generic people who will in due time
become interbred with others. We must breed not only tactically (breed
with own race) but strategically (breed according to developed trait
clusters, and breed for the best we can get within our own tribes).

Nationalism to me is the ability to say "I don't give a damn if Negroes
are the best people on earth; my own tribe stays my own tribe." I'm not
a "Pan-Aryan"; I laugh at such ideas, which are generally only endorsed
by low-quality people who want to feel that they are equal to the
mighty Aryans. That's like saying I should go to Harvard because a
distant cousin did... it's not eugenic, nor is it nationalism.

This doesn't mean the bottom line changes. Multiculturalism is insane
and will destroy my people; I wish to destroy it, by any means
necessary. Judaism is an alien religion and Jews are alien genetics;
they must be removed from among my people, by any means necessary. I
feel the same way, as did Dr. Pierce, about most Christian and Buddhist
sects. However, I'm pragmatic about what I do, and about what most
white people feel.

Most white people aren't interested in slagging other races. They
respond more to a positive message about their own, and having the
balls to say "I want to be with my own people" takes more guts than to
complain about how Negroes, etc. are bad and therefore we can "justify"
what we're doing. WE DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING. Our survival is
all we must know. Also, most white people now have friends of other
races and they recognize the positive traits of these people. So do I -
I don't feel a need to disdain them, only to separate them from our
people.

If you want to kvetch about "racial egalitarianism," I suppose you
might have a point to some. To me, the big picture is about building up
our own race and separating it, and the drama and egoism of
superior/inferior does not have a necessary place in that. I care only
about the end result. Everything else is just distraction.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=21207

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User: "Historical Review"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 28 Jul 2005 03:28:29 AM
"John Bull" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:1122507974_335@spool6-east.superfeed.net...

You sure sound like a racist to me...

<srprozak@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122504780.708144.109990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

This came up in discussion with DC in another thread, so why not
expand?

I am not a racial, or individual, egalitarian. I recognize that all
people are different and some are more competent at others in the three
ways that count:

1. Intelligence
2. Strength/Beauty
3. Moral Character

I am a complete biological determinist. You are 80% determined by your
genetics, with 20% free space in which you can either improve yourself
or decrease yourself (cycle of karma). If you work upward, over
generations, you can make something more of yourself; this is how we
went from bacteria to chimps, and chimps to humans.

I am not interested, however, in classifying other races are lesser,
for two reasons:

I. It's bad science.

What is the objective purpose of life? It cannot be determined.
Therefore it's hard for us to rank superior/inferior except according
to our own values and for our own purposes.

II. It's bad nationalism.

If Asians and Whites are superior, why not breed with them and make an
ueberrace, as Nietzsche jokingly suggests? What about a black guy with
an IQ of 160 - shouldn't we breed with him?

The cells of a newborn baby's brain has no genetic code. Scientific evidence
proves this fact.
When a baby is born, all of the cells in the baby's body has a genetic code,
except for the brain cells. What this means, is that nothing mental is
inherited genetically.
All the other cells in a baby have a genetic code for hair color, skin tone,
height, weight and similar. Except for the brain cells. These are
genetically neutral when a baby is born. This means that all behavior is
learned while a child is growing up.
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 28 Jul 2005 05:52:31 AM
"Historical Review" <reviews@spaming.not> wrote in message
news:NG0Ge.1083$QX2.454@trndny01...


"John Bull" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:1122507974_335@spool6-east.superfeed.net...

You sure sound like a racist to me...

<srprozak@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122504780.708144.109990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

This came up in discussion with DC in another thread, so why not
expand?

I am not a racial, or individual, egalitarian. I recognize that all
people are different and some are more competent at others in the three
ways that count:

1. Intelligence
2. Strength/Beauty
3. Moral Character

I am a complete biological determinist. You are 80% determined by your
genetics, with 20% free space in which you can either improve yourself
or decrease yourself (cycle of karma). If you work upward, over
generations, you can make something more of yourself; this is how we
went from bacteria to chimps, and chimps to humans.

I am not interested, however, in classifying other races are lesser,
for two reasons:

I. It's bad science.

What is the objective purpose of life? It cannot be determined.
Therefore it's hard for us to rank superior/inferior except according
to our own values and for our own purposes.

II. It's bad nationalism.

If Asians and Whites are superior, why not breed with them and make an
ueberrace, as Nietzsche jokingly suggests? What about a black guy with
an IQ of 160 - shouldn't we breed with him?


The cells of a newborn baby's brain has no genetic code. Scientific
evidence
proves this fact.

Wrong.


When a baby is born, all of the cells in the baby's body has a genetic
code,
except for the brain cells. What this means, is that nothing mental is
inherited genetically.

Wrong and wrong.


All the other cells in a baby have a genetic code for hair color, skin
tone,
height, weight and similar. Except for the brain cells. These are
genetically neutral when a baby is born. This means that all behavior is
learned while a child is growing up.

Completely wrong.
You really should find a better source for your "science."
.

User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Nationalism is not Racism 28 Jul 2005 10:33:54 AM
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Historical Review wrote
in message <NG0Ge.1083$QX2.454@trndny01>:

The cells of a newborn baby's brain has no genetic code. Scientific evidence
proves this fact.

Like your "facts" about copyright law?
.




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