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"M. Niekum" |
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10 Nov 2003 07:56:50 PM |
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Nat'l. Cancer Institute advocates torture of substance abusers |
I just read with unmitigated disgust NCI's guidelines for the treatment
of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers, on their
cancer.gov web site. I was investigating this topic because my late
friend, Geri, was labeled a so-called substance abuser and her family
now believes that this compromised her treatment by doctors.
Here are some lovely examples of what this site advocates as to the
treatment of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers (I
use the term "so-called" because I believe that "substance abuse" is a
culturally-loaded term).
Apparently NCI's definition of "theraputic drugs" unfortunately means
pain medication.
In the section "Set realistic goals for therapy", they say "Some
patients who have severe substance abuse and related psychological
problems may never be able to use therapeutic drugs as prescribed." (So
the poor person is supposed to sit there and die in agony?)
Under the heading "Outpatient Treatment":
"The health care provider may outline for the patient the role of the
treatment team, what is expected of the patient, and the consequences to
the patient should he or she continue to abuse drugs..." (EXCUSE ME!!!
Cancer patients should not be "expected" to do--sorry for the
language--jack *****!)
"Recognizing drug abuse behaviors"
Very Nazi-like recommendations here: "The patient may be reassessed
frequently, and the patient's significant others may be asked to provide
observations about the patient's drug use. The physician may find it
appropriate to thest the patient's urine for illegal or unprescribed
drugs" (to quote my husband, "the only urine ANYBODY will ever get out
of me is if they drink it from the tap!!")
Then these little human-rights darlings go on to say, under the section
"Outpatient Treatment":
"Outpatients may be required to undergo periodic drug testing. The
patient should be informed in advance of the consequences of a positive
test. A urine test that indicates the patient is using illegal drugs may
result in the need to visit the outpatient department more frequently,
smaller quantities of prescribed drugs, referral to a drug
rehabilitation program, or other restrictions." (Ja wohl, mein
Kommandant!!) (excuse poor German spelling).Hmm--"smaller quantities of
prescribed drugs"--sounds like torture to me!! If it walks like a duck
and talks like a duck---
Here's the one that really gets me--it is even sort of funny--more like
ludicrous:
"Use nondrug approaches":
"The patient may benefit from nondrug approaches, such as learning about
the complexities of the medical system (yeah, like what they won't pay
for, even though you're dying?) communicating with the medical staff
(like communicating with guards at Dachau), and learning relaxation and
coping techniques (oh right--like it really works, especially if you are
terrified for your life).
Gee, in case these idiots didn't realize it, I drank alcohol and doubled
up on pain meds all through my chemotherapy! I figured that if they were
going to be stingy on the pain medication, well then I was just going to
give it a little "push." Doctors should NEVER be allowed to restrict
pain medication to anyone!!!
My point in posting this message is that now I NEVER want ANYBODY from
NCI touching me or having anything to do with my treatment! And if you
guys think that this post was rude, just wait until you see the letter
that I am drafting to the "wonderful" National Cancer Institute!
Melinda
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| User: "BlackWater" |
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| Title: Re: Nat'l. Cancer Institute advocates torture of substance abusers |
11 Nov 2003 03:24:23 PM |
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"M. Niekum" <porter@pacbell.net> wrote:
I just read with unmitigated disgust NCI's guidelines for the treatment
of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers, on their
cancer.gov web site. I was investigating this topic because my late
friend, Geri, was labeled a so-called substance abuser and her family
now believes that this compromised her treatment by doctors.
Here are some lovely examples of what this site advocates as to the
treatment of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers (I
use the term "so-called" because I believe that "substance abuse" is a
culturally-loaded term).
Apparently NCI's definition of "theraputic drugs" unfortunately means
pain medication.
In the section "Set realistic goals for therapy", they say "Some
patients who have severe substance abuse and related psychological
problems may never be able to use therapeutic drugs as prescribed." (So
the poor person is supposed to sit there and die in agony?)
Yep.
The anti-drug crusade is finally reaching it's
logical conclusion - spawining inhuman, fascistic
policies. The simple idea that it's not a great
idea to take lots of dope turned into a sort of
religious crusade, complete with rabid zealots,
an Inquisition and Holy Warriors. This 'cure'
has been far worse than the 'disease' it proports
to fight for a LONG time now. You'd think there
were a lot more important things in the world to
worry about than whether poor dying aunt Millie
might take two Vicodins instead of one. Apparently
not ...
Unfortunately, America still hasn't fully caught
on to the pure insanity of this 'war'. Hell, most
of the soccer moms think it's better to turn
their kids into felons than risk them smoking a
joint once in a while. They are in the grip of
this religious fevor and will not be swayed even
if it destroys their children, their own lives
and the "Land of the Free". I fear this will
have to get a LOT worse before the whole thing
finally crashes and burns.
If you want to see what a "Drug-free America"
actually looks like - just surf until you find
some pictures from that South Carolina high-
school the local gestapo raided last week. The
images of kids lying on the floor with guns
pointed at their heads while the administrators
mouth "zero tolerance" ... THAT'S what a "drug-
free America" looks like.
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| User: "Joe S." |
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| Title: Re: Nat'l. Cancer Institute advocates torture of substance abusers |
10 Nov 2003 08:07:42 PM |
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You would find it helpful if you'd learn to (a) read and (b) understand what
you are reading
The passage that you posted is not especially difficult -- it's written on
about a 10th grade level and it certainly does not say what you claim it
says.
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Joe S.
"M. Niekum" <porter@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3FB041E2.6389@pacbell.net...
I just read with unmitigated disgust NCI's guidelines for the treatment
of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers, on their
cancer.gov web site. I was investigating this topic because my late
friend, Geri, was labeled a so-called substance abuser and her family
now believes that this compromised her treatment by doctors.
Here are some lovely examples of what this site advocates as to the
treatment of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers (I
use the term "so-called" because I believe that "substance abuse" is a
culturally-loaded term).
Apparently NCI's definition of "theraputic drugs" unfortunately means
pain medication.
In the section "Set realistic goals for therapy", they say "Some
patients who have severe substance abuse and related psychological
problems may never be able to use therapeutic drugs as prescribed." (So
the poor person is supposed to sit there and die in agony?)
Under the heading "Outpatient Treatment":
"The health care provider may outline for the patient the role of the
treatment team, what is expected of the patient, and the consequences to
the patient should he or she continue to abuse drugs..." (EXCUSE ME!!!
Cancer patients should not be "expected" to do--sorry for the
language--jack *****!)
"Recognizing drug abuse behaviors"
Very Nazi-like recommendations here: "The patient may be reassessed
frequently, and the patient's significant others may be asked to provide
observations about the patient's drug use. The physician may find it
appropriate to thest the patient's urine for illegal or unprescribed
drugs" (to quote my husband, "the only urine ANYBODY will ever get out
of me is if they drink it from the tap!!")
Then these little human-rights darlings go on to say, under the section
"Outpatient Treatment":
"Outpatients may be required to undergo periodic drug testing. The
patient should be informed in advance of the consequences of a positive
test. A urine test that indicates the patient is using illegal drugs may
result in the need to visit the outpatient department more frequently,
smaller quantities of prescribed drugs, referral to a drug
rehabilitation program, or other restrictions." (Ja wohl, mein
Kommandant!!) (excuse poor German spelling).Hmm--"smaller quantities of
prescribed drugs"--sounds like torture to me!! If it walks like a duck
and talks like a duck---
Here's the one that really gets me--it is even sort of funny--more like
ludicrous:
"Use nondrug approaches":
"The patient may benefit from nondrug approaches, such as learning about
the complexities of the medical system (yeah, like what they won't pay
for, even though you're dying?) communicating with the medical staff
(like communicating with guards at Dachau), and learning relaxation and
coping techniques (oh right--like it really works, especially if you are
terrified for your life).
Gee, in case these idiots didn't realize it, I drank alcohol and doubled
up on pain meds all through my chemotherapy! I figured that if they were
going to be stingy on the pain medication, well then I was just going to
give it a little "push." Doctors should NEVER be allowed to restrict
pain medication to anyone!!!
My point in posting this message is that now I NEVER want ANYBODY from
NCI touching me or having anything to do with my treatment! And if you
guys think that this post was rude, just wait until you see the letter
that I am drafting to the "wonderful" National Cancer Institute!
Melinda
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| User: "D.G. Porter" |
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| Title: Re: Nat'l. Cancer Institute advocates torture of substance abusers |
11 Nov 2003 11:48:04 AM |
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Before my wife kicks your *****, I just want to say that the breast cancer
list to which she originally sent this seems to bsd in total agreement
with her opinion.
Joe S. wrote:
You would find it helpful if you'd learn to (a) read and (b) understand what
you are reading
The passage that you posted is not especially difficult -- it's written on
about a 10th grade level and it certainly does not say what you claim it
says.
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Joe S.
"M. Niekum" <porter@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3FB041E2.6389@pacbell.net...
I just read with unmitigated disgust NCI's guidelines for the treatment
of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers, on their
cancer.gov web site. I was investigating this topic because my late
friend, Geri, was labeled a so-called substance abuser and her family
now believes that this compromised her treatment by doctors.
Here are some lovely examples of what this site advocates as to the
treatment of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers (I
use the term "so-called" because I believe that "substance abuse" is a
culturally-loaded term).
Apparently NCI's definition of "theraputic drugs" unfortunately means
pain medication.
In the section "Set realistic goals for therapy", they say "Some
patients who have severe substance abuse and related psychological
problems may never be able to use therapeutic drugs as prescribed." (So
the poor person is supposed to sit there and die in agony?)
Under the heading "Outpatient Treatment":
"The health care provider may outline for the patient the role of the
treatment team, what is expected of the patient, and the consequences to
the patient should he or she continue to abuse drugs..." (EXCUSE ME!!!
Cancer patients should not be "expected" to do--sorry for the
language--jack *****!)
"Recognizing drug abuse behaviors"
Very Nazi-like recommendations here: "The patient may be reassessed
frequently, and the patient's significant others may be asked to provide
observations about the patient's drug use. The physician may find it
appropriate to thest the patient's urine for illegal or unprescribed
drugs" (to quote my husband, "the only urine ANYBODY will ever get out
of me is if they drink it from the tap!!")
Then these little human-rights darlings go on to say, under the section
"Outpatient Treatment":
"Outpatients may be required to undergo periodic drug testing. The
patient should be informed in advance of the consequences of a positive
test. A urine test that indicates the patient is using illegal drugs may
result in the need to visit the outpatient department more frequently,
smaller quantities of prescribed drugs, referral to a drug
rehabilitation program, or other restrictions." (Ja wohl, mein
Kommandant!!) (excuse poor German spelling).Hmm--"smaller quantities of
prescribed drugs"--sounds like torture to me!! If it walks like a duck
and talks like a duck---
Here's the one that really gets me--it is even sort of funny--more like
ludicrous:
"Use nondrug approaches":
"The patient may benefit from nondrug approaches, such as learning about
the complexities of the medical system (yeah, like what they won't pay
for, even though you're dying?) communicating with the medical staff
(like communicating with guards at Dachau), and learning relaxation and
coping techniques (oh right--like it really works, especially if you are
terrified for your life).
Gee, in case these idiots didn't realize it, I drank alcohol and doubled
up on pain meds all through my chemotherapy! I figured that if they were
going to be stingy on the pain medication, well then I was just going to
give it a little "push." Doctors should NEVER be allowed to restrict
pain medication to anyone!!!
My point in posting this message is that now I NEVER want ANYBODY from
NCI touching me or having anything to do with my treatment! And if you
guys think that this post was rude, just wait until you see the letter
that I am drafting to the "wonderful" National Cancer Institute!
Melinda
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| User: "M. Niekum" |
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11 Nov 2003 12:14:49 PM |
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Joe S. wrote:
You would find it helpful if you'd learn to (a) read and (b) understand what
you are reading
The passage that you posted is not especially difficult -- it's written on
about a 10th grade level and it certainly does not say what you claim it
says.
----
Joe S.
Dear Joe S.,
You are getting a little bit "ad hominem" with me!
You have questioned my ability to read this information? I think that
you ought to know that I have an MA degree in cultural anthropology, was
a presenter at the International Institute for Central Asian Studies
Conference in Samarkand, Uzbekistan, last year, and I currently am a
teaching intern (Anthropology 100) at Cerritos College, where I work
with mostly ESL students who read at a very low level.
And in case you don't think my intellectual qualifications are adequate
enough to comment on the Nazi Cancer Institute's policies regarding
substance abuse and cancer patients, get this: I am also a cancer
patient, and a low-income one, too! The medical profession treats us
like a bunch of lab rats with no rights! (I underwent chemotherapy that
would kill an elephant and was made to sign a document acknowledging
that the treatment could kill me).
Doctors have NO RIGHT to withhold treatment from patients because they
think that they are "substance abusers" or anything else. When it comes
to cancer treatment, the patient should be in the driver's seat, not the
doctors!
My friend Geri died because the medical establishment responsible for
treating her felt that she was a worthless human being because of her
"social history." That is abominable! And people wonder why I don't
support the "war" in Iraq? Hey, Saddam Hussein did not murder Geri
Willinger--the U.S. medical and social services establishment did!
Melinda Niekum
D.G. Porter's wife
"M. Niekum" <porter@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3FB041E2.6389@pacbell.net...
I just read with unmitigated disgust NCI's guidelines for the treatment
of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers, on their
cancer.gov web site. I was investigating this topic because my late
friend, Geri, was labeled a so-called substance abuser and her family
now believes that this compromised her treatment by doctors.
Here are some lovely examples of what this site advocates as to the
treatment of cancer patients who are also so-called substance abusers (I
use the term "so-called" because I believe that "substance abuse" is a
culturally-loaded term).
Apparently NCI's definition of "theraputic drugs" unfortunately means
pain medication.
In the section "Set realistic goals for therapy", they say "Some
patients who have severe substance abuse and related psychological
problems may never be able to use therapeutic drugs as prescribed." (So
the poor person is supposed to sit there and die in agony?)
Under the heading "Outpatient Treatment":
"The health care provider may outline for the patient the role of the
treatment team, what is expected of the patient, and the consequences to
the patient should he or she continue to abuse drugs..." (EXCUSE ME!!!
Cancer patients should not be "expected" to do--sorry for the
language--jack *****!)
"Recognizing drug abuse behaviors"
Very Nazi-like recommendations here: "The patient may be reassessed
frequently, and the patient's significant others may be asked to provide
observations about the patient's drug use. The physician may find it
appropriate to thest the patient's urine for illegal or unprescribed
drugs" (to quote my husband, "the only urine ANYBODY will ever get out
of me is if they drink it from the tap!!")
Then these little human-rights darlings go on to say, under the section
"Outpatient Treatment":
"Outpatients may be required to undergo periodic drug testing. The
patient should be informed in advance of the consequences of a positive
test. A urine test that indicates the patient is using illegal drugs may
result in the need to visit the outpatient department more frequently,
smaller quantities of prescribed drugs, referral to a drug
rehabilitation program, or other restrictions." (Ja wohl, mein
Kommandant!!) (excuse poor German spelling).Hmm--"smaller quantities of
prescribed drugs"--sounds like torture to me!! If it walks like a duck
and talks like a duck---
Here's the one that really gets me--it is even sort of funny--more like
ludicrous:
"Use nondrug approaches":
"The patient may benefit from nondrug approaches, such as learning about
the complexities of the medical system (yeah, like what they won't pay
for, even though you're dying?) communicating with the medical staff
(like communicating with guards at Dachau), and learning relaxation and
coping techniques (oh right--like it really works, especially if you are
terrified for your life).
Gee, in case these idiots didn't realize it, I drank alcohol and doubled
up on pain meds all through my chemotherapy! I figured that if they were
going to be stingy on the pain medication, well then I was just going to
give it a little "push." Doctors should NEVER be allowed to restrict
pain medication to anyone!!!
My point in posting this message is that now I NEVER want ANYBODY from
NCI touching me or having anything to do with my treatment! And if you
guys think that this post was rude, just wait until you see the letter
that I am drafting to the "wonderful" National Cancer Institute!
Melinda
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