Politics > Politics-USA > Natural disasters have become a tool of the liberal bigot internationalists
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"Robert Henderson" |
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31 Dec 2004 05:09:11 AM |
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Natural disasters have become a tool of the liberal bigot internationalists |
For more than twenty years Third World disasters, natural and manmade,
have been used by the liberal bigot elite as an engine to drive the
internationalist agenda. We have now reached the stage where the media,
especially broadcasters, feed the public with what is virtually a
continuous diet of Third World woe accompanied by exhortations for the
West to do more and more to make up for their terrible sin of being
richer and successful.
This trait is now reaching its mature stage as politicians and
mediafolk increasing call for supranational action to "deal with the
problem" left by Third World disasters, taxpayers' money in the West
is given away without any democratic control being exercised and the
media censors out anyone who wishes to question the internationalist
propaganda. .
A significant natural disaster will occur somewhere in the world with
great regularity - finding one a month on average would not be
difficult. The developed world deals with them competently, vide North
America which regularly meets with the type of natural phenomenon that
devastates the Third World. Nothing the West can do will aid the Third
World in this because the problem is social and structural - there is
plenty of money in the Third World but their governments do not
generally have either the will or the ability to take even rudimentary
steps to prevent the worst effects of events such as tidal waves.
Manmade disasters through Third World wars or government negligence or
oppression are always with us. Nothing the West can do will change
that.
RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Alex Woodward" |
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| Title: Re: Natural disasters have become a tool of the liberal bigot internationalists |
31 Dec 2004 10:39:58 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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For more than twenty years Third World disasters, natural and manmade,
have been used by the liberal bigot elite as an engine to drive the
internationalist agenda. .
Robert, how on earth can you condemn anyone for helping people who have
suffered in a manner they empathise and sympathise for?
Everytime people choose to unite and help people who find themselves in
unfortunate circumanstances, there is a tendency by some to ridicule and see
only conspiracy theories etc. In this instance why don't you just accept
that what the world has seen is an absolute catastrophe for everyone
concerned. Instead of criticising any joint efforts led by the UN, the EU or
any other organisation, just accept that they are attempting to act in an
ethical fashion in order to help aid harmonised actions to be taken on
issues such as the asian tsunami.
I, for one, am glad that my tax money is going to help those who have been
left homeless. Wars can be averted but, as you suggest, natural disasters
rarely can. Why then, should we not applaud the actions taken by people and
international organisations who are seeking to lessen the impact of an
absolute nightmare situation in asia?
It may be a wise thing to recognise that globalisation is not a bad thing.
It only becomes un-acceptable if corrupt individuals or governments attempt
to mis-use it. It is up to the supranational bodies to prevent un-ethical
acts on the international stage. I find it ironic that your latest
criticism, appears to favour a world where no checks or balances are put in
place to prevent the powerful from doing exactly as they wish at the expense
of the majority.
Alex
Lies, damned lies and The Sun
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| User: "Harry Krause" |
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| Title: Re: Natural disasters have become a tool of the liberal bigot internationalists |
31 Dec 2004 10:42:22 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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For more than twenty years Third World disasters, natural and manmade,
have been used by the liberal bigot elite as an engine to drive the
internationalist agenda. .
Another lunatic.
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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31 Dec 2004 10:57:53 AM |
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In article <yhfBd.417$fo.406@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c$oJFKAXNT1BFwHD@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
For more than twenty years Third World disasters, natural and manmade,
have been used by the liberal bigot elite as an engine to drive the
internationalist agenda. .
Robert, how on earth can you condemn anyone for helping people who have
suffered in a manner they empathise and sympathise for?
I don't condemn people who are using their own money. Governments do not
use their own money. They use ours. RH
Everytime people choose to unite and help people who find themselves in
unfortunate circumanstances, there is a tendency by some to ridicule and see
only conspiracy theories etc. In this instance why don't you just accept
that what the world has seen is an absolute catastrophe for everyone
concerned. Instead of criticising any joint efforts led by the UN, the EU or
any other organisation, just accept that they are attempting to act in an
ethical fashion in order to help aid harmonised actions to be taken on
issues such as the asian tsunami.
I, for one, am glad that my tax money is going to help those who have been
left homeless.
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
Wars can be averted but, as you suggest, natural disasters
rarely can. Why then, should we not applaud the actions taken by people and
international organisations who are seeking to lessen the impact of an
absolute nightmare situation in asia?
It may be a wise thing to recognise that globalisation is not a bad thing.
Only to the liberal bigot mind. RH
It only becomes un-acceptable if corrupt individuals or governments attempt
to mis-use it. It is up to the supranational bodies to prevent un-ethical
acts on the international stage. I find it ironic that your latest
criticism, appears to favour a world where no checks or balances are put in
place to prevent the powerful from doing exactly as they wish at the expense
of the majority.
Alex
Lies, damned lies and The Sun
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Alex Woodward" |
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31 Dec 2004 01:05:15 PM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:FU5$fKARUY1BFwWb@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <yhfBd.417$fo.406@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c$oJFKAXNT1BFwHD@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
For more than twenty years Third World disasters, natural and manmade,
have been used by the liberal bigot elite as an engine to drive the
internationalist agenda. .
Robert, how on earth can you condemn anyone for helping people who have
suffered in a manner they empathise and sympathise for?
I don't condemn people who are using their own money. Governments do not
use their own money. They use ours. RH
Everytime people choose to unite and help people who find themselves in
unfortunate circumanstances, there is a tendency by some to ridicule and
see
only conspiracy theories etc. In this instance why don't you just accept
that what the world has seen is an absolute catastrophe for everyone
concerned. Instead of criticising any joint efforts led by the UN, the EU
or
any other organisation, just accept that they are attempting to act in an
ethical fashion in order to help aid harmonised actions to be taken on
issues such as the asian tsunami.
I, for one, am glad that my tax money is going to help those who have been
left homeless.
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would act
ethicaly? Governments are there to ensure that anarchy does not reign.
Remove governmental decisions and all that you do is to allow some
individual with enough power to take over its role.
In this instance, government is absolutely correct in using taxpayers money
to help other areas of the world. After all, even with a selfish point of
view, it is in the British interest to get the area back to normal asap. I
am sure you can at least empathise with that selfish point of view Robert.
Alex
Lies, damned lies and The Sun
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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01 Jan 2005 01:12:49 AM |
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In article <LphBd.494$Ih.467@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would act
ethicaly?
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
Governments are there to ensure that anarchy does not reign.
Remove governmental decisions and all that you do is to allow some
individual with enough power to take over its role.
In this instance, government is absolutely correct in using taxpayers money
to help other areas of the world. After all, even with a selfish point of
view, it is in the British interest to get the area back to normal asap. I
am sure you can at least empathise with that selfish point of view Robert.
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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01 Jan 2005 07:51:25 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:joR2QUAx1k1BFww0@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <LphBd.494$Ih.467@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would act
ethicaly?
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
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| User: "Colin Reed" |
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01 Jan 2005 09:17:39 AM |
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"Aardvark" <ambidextrous_aardvark@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:joR2QUAx1k1BFww0@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <LphBd.494$Ih.467@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to
private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would
act
ethicaly?
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every individual
tax expenditure. The idea that a party should be elected to government with
a commitment to foreign aid as part of its policy and then, heaven forbid,
actually follow that policy without RH's express permission seems alien to
him. As has been suggested before maybe he could try standing or persuade
others to stand on a policy of no foreign aid or charity and then see how
many votes he gets.
Colin
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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01 Jan 2005 10:19:32 AM |
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In article <33nt8fF409p2fU1@individual.net>, Colin Reed <colin-reed@no-
spam.lineone.net> writes
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every individual
tax expenditure.
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
The idea that a party should be elected to government with
a commitment to foreign aid as part of its policy and then, heaven forbid,
actually follow that policy without RH's express permission seems alien to
him.
That makes democracy a sham because no meaningful democratic choice
can be made on policies, especially so where, as is the present
condition, all the majority parties offer the same basic policies on the
major issues. RH
As has been suggested before maybe he could try standing or persuade
others to stand on a policy of no foreign aid or charity and then see how
many votes he gets.
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Colin Reed" |
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01 Jan 2005 12:24:13 PM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gwo2GWAU2s1BFwQK@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33nt8fF409p2fU1@individual.net>, Colin Reed <colin-reed@no-
spam.lineone.net> writes
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every
individual
tax expenditure.
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Well not on every individual policy decision, because that becomes
impractical. I realise you are merely being argumentative on this point
because you have a minority opinion. I am sure that you do understand the
concept of electing an executive, even if you happen to disagree with the
policy of our currently elected executive.
The idea that a party should be elected to government with
a commitment to foreign aid as part of its policy and then, heaven
forbid,
actually follow that policy without RH's express permission seems alien
to
him.
That makes democracy a sham because no meaningful democratic choice
can be made on policies, especially so where, as is the present
condition, all the majority parties offer the same basic policies on the
major issues. RH
The majority parties only become so because large numbers of people vote for
them. The only way to test if we can have a meaningful democratic choice is
to stand, or to support someone else standing, on the very issues that you
complain about. You are not restricted in voting for or promoting the
"majority" parties. If you find that many other people agree with your
proposed policies then you will get the support you need. If you find that
people are not willing to stand on or support such policies then you will
have to accept that they are minority views and as such are not adopted as
policy by the elected executive.
Colin
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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01 Jan 2005 02:12:01 PM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gwo2GWAU2s1BFwQK@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33nt8fF409p2fU1@individual.net>, Colin Reed <colin-reed@no-
spam.lineone.net> writes
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every individual
tax expenditure.
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Yes we can. It's called an elective democracy. We have one.
Only someone as dim as you could imagine that government run on the basis of
a referendum on every matter of import - such as the appropriate level of
tax - is workable.
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| User: "Alan G" |
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01 Jan 2005 02:37:29 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:12:01 -0000, "Aardvark"
<ambidextrous_aardvark@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gwo2GWAU2s1BFwQK@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33nt8fF409p2fU1@individual.net>, Colin Reed <colin-reed@no-
spam.lineone.net> writes
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every individual
tax expenditure.
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Yes we can. It's called an elective democracy. We have one.
No we don't.
We have a *quasi* elective democracy
Only someone as dim as you could imagine that government run on the basis of
a referendum on every matter of import - such as the appropriate level of
tax - is workable.
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| User: "" |
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01 Jan 2005 02:03:10 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:19:32 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every individual
tax expenditure.
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Not at that level of detail, no.
Is this news to you?
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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02 Jan 2005 02:31:48 AM |
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In article <ge0et0lsghbduuhcsd794mp5pa4cnic7dq@4ax.com>, libraryofalex@*
nospam*btinternet.com writes
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Is this news to you?
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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02 Jan 2005 04:29:22 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <ge0et0lsghbduuhcsd794mp5pa4cnic7dq@4ax.com>, libraryofalex@*
nospam*btinternet.com writes
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
And do try and imagine the chaos if determination of essential public
funding - through setting a workable tax rate - was left to a plebiscite.
It's not very difficult, Hendo.
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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02 Jan 2005 05:42:44 AM |
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In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
And do try and imagine the chaos if determination of essential public
funding - through setting a workable tax rate - was left to a plebiscite.
It's not very difficult, Hendo.
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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02 Jan 2005 07:36:16 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:phwkCIA0491BFwAR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
So we'd have postcode-dependent taxation? Idiot.
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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02 Jan 2005 08:07:39 AM |
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In article <33qbm7F40j3ljU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:phwkCIA0491BFwAR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
So we'd have postcode-dependent taxation? Idiot.
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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02 Jan 2005 12:19:44 PM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XsU7BRArAA2BFwOR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33qbm7F40j3ljU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:phwkCIA0491BFwAR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have
tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
So we'd have postcode-dependent taxation? Idiot.
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
Perhaps Rabbie can explain how pan-UK expenditure (such as roads or the
armed forces) will be efficiently administered by his plan of having
separate votes in every village.
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| User: "Alan G" |
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| Title: Re: Natural disasters have become a tool of the liberal bigot internationalists |
02 Jan 2005 12:59:32 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:19:44 -0000, "Aardvark"
<ambidextrous_aardvark@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XsU7BRArAA2BFwOR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33qbm7F40j3ljU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:phwkCIA0491BFwAR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have
tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
So we'd have postcode-dependent taxation? Idiot.
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
Perhaps Rabbie can explain how pan-UK expenditure (such as roads or the
armed forces) will be efficiently administered by his plan of having
separate votes in every village.
The bigot has a point.
Up until the 40s my home town had it's own municipal electricity
company, gas company and water company. All owned and ran by the local
authority or by a number of them sharing the responsibility. Lots of
things used to be under local authority control. No reason why power
and responsibility could not be handed back again for many things the
government tries to run centrally. Instead of mocking why not try and
think of what would be better run at local level without any
government control. I'll toss policing and schools into the pot for a
start.
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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| Title: Re: Natural disasters have become a tool of the liberal bigot internationalists |
02 Jan 2005 01:59:52 PM |
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"Alan G" <me@invalid.privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:19:44 -0000, "Aardvark"
<ambidextrous_aardvark@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XsU7BRArAA2BFwOR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33qbm7F40j3ljU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:phwkCIA0491BFwAR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark
<ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have
tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
So we'd have postcode-dependent taxation? Idiot.
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
Perhaps Rabbie can explain how pan-UK expenditure (such as roads or the
armed forces) will be efficiently administered by his plan of having
separate votes in every village.
The bigot has a point.
Up until the 40s my home town had it's own municipal electricity
company, gas company and water company. All owned and ran by the local
authority or by a number of them sharing the responsibility. Lots of
things used to be under local authority control. No reason why power
and responsibility could not be handed back again for many things the
government tries to run centrally. Instead of mocking why not try and
think of what would be better run at local level without any
government control. I'll toss policing and schools into the pot for a
start.
This government has started, with its plans for regional devolution; not
that they have been a roaring success.
But the vast majority of public expenditure is on the armed forces, roads,
infrastructure, power generation, agricultural subsidies and grants,
government R&D, and similar. The amount of stuff that could (even in
principle) by parceled out to little old ladies in the village hall is tiny.
And who wants the vast increase in bureaucracy.
The bigot has no point worth exploring. His motives are purely se;fish - all
the major parties (and, I would suspect, 90% + of the general population)
support a policy that he doesn't like (namely, giving emergency aid to
foreign tragedies), and he is merely venting his frustration here in rather
tedious fashion.
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02 Jan 2005 03:52:31 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:59:52 -0000, "Aardvark"
<ambidextrous_aardvark@hotmail.com> wrote:
This government has started, with its plans for regional devolution; not
that they have been a roaring success.
Regional devolution is pointless without tax raising powers to pay for it.
Something which the treasury would only allow over its own dead body.
Address the revenue raising issue and the the existing system of local govt
would change for the better.
greg
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Yeah - straight from the top of my dome
As I rock, rock, rock, rock, rock the microphone
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02 Jan 2005 05:11:58 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:59:32 +0000, Alan G <me@invalid.privacy.net>
wrote:
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
Perhaps Rabbie can explain how pan-UK expenditure (such as roads or the
armed forces) will be efficiently administered by his plan of having
separate votes in every village.
The bigot has a point.
Up until the 40s my home town had it's own municipal electricity
company, gas company and water company. All owned and ran by the local
authority or by a number of them sharing the responsibility. Lots of
things used to be under local authority control. No reason why power
and responsibility could not be handed back again for many things the
government tries to run centrally. Instead of mocking why not try and
think of what would be better run at local level without any
government control. I'll toss policing and schools into the pot for a
start.
Utilities shouldn't be managed at the local level - that's just nuts.
Economies of scale are almost totally lost, especially those related
to trading
Some police stuff for sure. Some not
Schools can be local, but there's no need for the government to be
involved at all
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "GTA" |
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31 Mar 2005 05:18:19 PM |
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r
<libraryofalex@*nospam*btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:4rtgt01eferltmuk79sb8am1asfeh2inen@4ax.com...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:59:32 +0000, Alan G <me@invalid.privacy.net>
wrote:
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
Perhaps Rabbie can explain how pan-UK expenditure (such as roads or the
armed forces) will be efficiently administered by his plan of having
separate votes in every village.
The bigot has a point.
Up until the 40s my home town had it's own municipal electricity
company, gas company and water company. All owned and ran by the local
authority or by a number of them sharing the responsibility. Lots of
things used to be under local authority control. No reason why power
and responsibility could not be handed back again for many things the
government tries to run centrally. Instead of mocking why not try and
think of what would be better run at local level without any
government control. I'll toss policing and schools into the pot for a
start.
Utilities shouldn't be managed at the local level - that's just nuts.
Economies of scale are almost totally lost, especially those related
to trading
Some police stuff for sure. Some not
Schools can be local, but there's no need for the government to be
involved at all
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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02 Jan 2005 08:33:26 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XsU7BRArAA2BFwOR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33qbm7F40j3ljU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:phwkCIA0491BFwAR@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33q0npF42am01U1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
Greek city-states had populations of a few tens of thousands. We have
tens
of millions. It's not very difficult, Hendo.
Devolve the decision making down to the local level. RH
So we'd have postcode-dependent taxation? Idiot.
Nope. Democratic control of how money is spent. . RH
That doesn't work, you half-wit; there has to be some central control to
ensure that public spending matches the funds available.
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| User: "" |
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02 Jan 2005 05:11:58 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:31:48 +0000, Robert Henderson
<Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Dear me, we can't have the masses actually ordering their own destiny
can we? RH
Not at that level of detail, no.
Tell that to the ancient Greeks. RH
How. They and their system of government died two thousand years+ ago.
The world's got more complex since then. Not noticed?
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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01 Jan 2005 02:03:10 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:17:39 -0000, "Colin Reed"
<colin-reed@no-spam.lineone.net> wrote:
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH appears to believe that we should have a referendum on every individual
tax expenditure.
No. On the ones he dislikes...
--
cheers
www.libraryofalex.com
Wherever book may be burned, men also, in the end, are burned
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| User: "Alex Woodward" |
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01 Jan 2005 01:22:56 PM |
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"Aardvark" <ambidextrous_aardvark@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33no6lF42ncfsU1@individual.net...
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:joR2QUAx1k1BFww0@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <LphBd.494$Ih.467@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would
act
ethicaly?
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
RH is a lost cause. He appears to lack the basic skills that are required to
develop consistent argument. In almost everyone of his posts, he persuades
himself (not anyone else!) that what he believes ought to be true is indeed
a description of reality. In otherwords, it appears he has no concept of
normative or descriptive standards.
Alex
Lies, damned lies and The Sun
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| User: "Robert Henderson" |
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01 Jan 2005 09:15:46 AM |
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In article <33no6lF42ncfsU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:joR2QUAx1k1BFww0@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <LphBd.494$Ih.467@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would act
ethicaly?
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
I did not say illegally but illegitimately. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Aardvark" |
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01 Jan 2005 10:31:17 AM |
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"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sXlFfVAi6r1BFwjv@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <33no6lF42ncfsU1@individual.net>, Aardvark <ambidextrous_aard
vark@hotmail.com> writes
"Robert Henderson" <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:joR2QUAx1k1BFww0@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In article <LphBd.494$Ih.467@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Alex Woodward
<alexski@ntlworld.com> writes
Why should you make the decision for everybody? If it is left to
private
charity everyone makes their own decision. RH
If government disappeared tomorrow, do you really believe people would
act
ethicaly?
That is not the issue here. The issue is why are governments using their
taxpayers money illegitimately? RH
You're going to have to point me to a reference as to which law they've
broken.
I did not say illegally but illegitimately. RH
Why is it illegitimate? All the major parties have a budget for Foreign Aid,
which is discussed in the manifestos.
And don't whine about a referendum. We elect an executive to make financial
and legislative decisions on our behalf. Not that it would make the
slightest bit of difference - I am quite sure that a referendum "Should
Britain provide financial aid to the disaster zones of SE Asia" would
achieve a YES vote north of 95%. And quite rightly; I pay my taxes so that
(inter alia) the Government can put the money to good use.
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| User: "JohnJ" |
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31 Dec 2004 12:23:13 PM |
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Robert Henderson <Philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> WROTE:
Only to the liberal bigot mind.
"Liberal" = Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
"Bigot" = A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions
differing from his own.
So there can't be such a thing as a "liberal bigot", can there?
JJ
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