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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" |
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24 Apr 2006 08:15:48 AM |
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Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) |
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over. Attacks, many
similar to what we see today in Iraq, were carried out against the Russians,
British, French and Americans. In one case, a school was even blown up.
The review airs again today at 2:00 PM eastern time zone; 04/24/2006,
entitled 'Nazi Guerillas'.
"Recalling the post World War II Nazi loyalists who used guerilla tactics to
halt reconstruction in Germany."
While there are many similarities to the British and American presence in
Iraq after war, I suspect there are also many differences. I'm curious as
to how other inquiring minds might view this (assuming any of you would
consider watching it to be worthwhile.)
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| User: "abracadabra" |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** to me) |
24 Apr 2006 12:35:21 PM |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message
news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
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| User: "Gogarty" |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** to me) |
24 Apr 2006 03:50:49 PM |
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In article <t%73g.12265$i41.636@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
abra@hotmail.com says...
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message
news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
There was chaos but there was no organized resistance after the surrender. I
have found no reference to insurgent attacks of any kind though there was
looting and the like, not that there was much left to loot. The Allies
exrcised control instantly, largely thourgh existing civil police forces.
There was even talk of recruiting Nazis to help run things and I am sure that
lots of people carring party cards were puut to work.
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** tome) |
25 Apr 2006 10:21:11 PM |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article <t%73g.12265$i41.636@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
abra@hotmail.com says...
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message
news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
There was chaos but there was no organized resistance after the surrender. I
have found no reference to insurgent attacks of any kind though there was
looting and the like, not that there was much left to loot. The Allies
exrcised control instantly, largely thourgh existing civil police forces.
There was even talk of recruiting Nazis to help run things and I am sure that
That part pretty much did happen. Administrators were needed what with
millions of displaced persons and the like. They were well watched...
lots of people carring party cards were puut to work.
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| User: "Gogarty" |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** tome) |
26 Apr 2006 09:59:10 AM |
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In article <444EE727.953BA770@hotmMOVEail.com>, "traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com
says...
That part pretty much did happen. Administrators were needed what with
millions of displaced persons and the like. They were well watched...
This myth of continued, organized insurgency in Germany and Japan after the
cease fires in WWII certainly does seem to be the latest organized rationale
of the Rightards for the state of things in Iraq. All lies, of course. But
they didn't think it up themselves. It came from on high. There are no
parallels weith WWII or WWI. The closest parallel is the Huks in the
Phillipines at the end of the 19th Century. And even that one goes only so far
in a totally different global environment. Colonialism and whatever it too to
impose it was the thing then. It isn't now.
So long as there is a single American soldier in Iraq there will be a dead
American soldier in Iraq. There is no parallel for that.
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| User: "Tag Heuer" |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** to me) |
24 Apr 2006 01:06:56 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:35:21 GMT, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
Nothing but a revisionist's spin. I don't doubt that there were those
who continued to fight long after the demolition job that the Allies
and the Russians did to Nazi Germany. However, the key is how the
post was crafted to suggest that post-war Germany is similar to the
situation in Iraq.
It's unmitigated bull s h i t and an dumb-***** deceitful rhetoric
that we now hear from the likes of Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice . . . And
particularly the Commander of these Chimps as well.
" . . . Americans must be prepared for violence to continue in Iraq,
even after a government is formed. There will be no Iraqi equivalent
of V-E Day or V-J Day . . ." --- Condolezza Rice, April 18, 2006,
Chicago, Illinois - http://tinyurl.com/g2rar
http://tagheuerblog.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** tome) |
25 Apr 2006 10:19:42 PM |
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Tag Heuer wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:35:21 GMT, "abracadabra" <abra@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
Nothing but a revisionist's spin. I don't doubt that there were those
Well, actually, it's rightard excuse making by trying to compare it to
a war where we were actually attacked and retaliation justified.
who continued to fight long after the demolition job that the Allies
If you could call it fighting. It didn't amount to much.
and the Russians did to Nazi Germany. However, the key is how the
post was crafted to suggest that post-war Germany is similar to the
situation in Iraq.
It's unmitigated bull s h i t and an dumb-***** deceitful rhetoric
that we now hear from the likes of Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice . . . And
particularly the Commander of these Chimps as well.
" . . . Americans must be prepared for violence to continue in Iraq,
even after a government is formed. There will be no Iraqi equivalent
of V-E Day or V-J Day . . ." --- Condolezza Rice, April 18, 2006,
Chicago, Illinois - http://tinyurl.com/g2rar
http://tagheuerblog.blogspot.com/
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| User: "the_blogologist" |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** to me) |
24 Apr 2006 10:43:28 PM |
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abracadabra <abra@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message
news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
General Patton.
Obviously with that many people, some are going to die from various
reasons.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
There was a lot of fighting in Germany after WW2, most of it was small
fights, internal rivalry, vendettas, reprisals, etc. and the US
military generally let them fight it out among themselves. A lot of Jews
came home to find their homes occupied, some were even murdered by the
new residents because they knew there'd be no police investigation over
dead Jews. A lot of Jewish bank accounts in Swedish banks were simply
confiscated by their Swedish bankers, and a lot of Swedish bankers
turned up murdered. There was also a lot of fighting trying to take
control of various sources of wealth in Germany.
The conversion from dictatorship democracy took a long time compared to
simply restoring the government of France. Same thing in Iraq, it takes
a long time to change the culture of oppression.
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| User: "Tag Heuer" |
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| Title: Re: Nazi Guerillas fight US occupation (WWII) (sounds like ***** to me) |
24 Apr 2006 11:10:50 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:43:28 -0700,
(the_blogologist) wrote:
abracadabra <abra@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote in message news:8c43g.19024$mh.2882@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over.
I'd love to read any documentation of any US deaths in Germany after the end
of WW2 - from everything I've read there were zero.
General Patton.
Obviously with that many people, some are going to die from various
reasons.
I've never heard any reports of Nazi Guerillas operating in Germany after
WW2, and frankly I doubt the truth of your post.
There was a lot of fighting in Germany after WW2, most of it was small
fights, internal rivalry, vendettas, reprisals, etc. and the US
military generally let them fight it out among themselves. A lot of Jews
came home to find their homes occupied, some were even murdered by the
new residents because they knew there'd be no police investigation over
dead Jews. A lot of Jewish bank accounts in Swedish banks were simply
confiscated by their Swedish bankers, and a lot of Swedish bankers
turned up murdered. There was also a lot of fighting trying to take
control of various sources of wealth in Germany.
The conversion from dictatorship democracy took a long time compared to
simply restoring the government of France. Same thing in Iraq, it takes
a long time to change the culture of oppression.
I'm sure the Swedes would take exception to your inflammatory
innuendo, yet contrite followup (Reminder: To call the patriarchs in
Malmo) and the anti-semitic uber-current of your rebut.
However, the fact of the matter here is the FACT that such a
comparison is not only moot, but it is irrelevant in the "reality"
that Iraq is now in the middle of not only a secular civil war, but
one that is uncontrolled when measured to that which saw order in
Tokyo and Berlin. The latter of course and of which involved a whole
lot of 'diplomacy' in the face of a Soviet adversary . . . A term Bush
has no concept, nor definition of.
Furthermore, it's clear that you hate the French, and as a result of
the propaganda issued by the Administration when they circumvented the
UN Security Council vote in '03. . . But like Bush, such paranoid
isolationist inclinations come through quite clear.
But doesn't one find it "interesting" that it went from some threat of
"mushroom clouds", to some matter involving "regime change" and many
other subsequent excuses in this "noble cause?"
Please enlighten.
http://tagheuerblog.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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25 Apr 2006 10:11:50 PM |
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"Wayne H. Wilhelm" wrote:
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over. Attacks, many
similar to what we see today in Iraq, were carried out against the Russians,
British, French and Americans. In one case, a school was even blown up.
The review airs again today at 2:00 PM eastern time zone; 04/24/2006,
entitled 'Nazi Guerillas'.
"Recalling the post World War II Nazi loyalists who used guerilla tactics to
halt reconstruction in Germany."
While there are many similarities to the British and American presence in
Iraq after war, I suspect there are also many differences. I'm curious as
to how other inquiring minds might view this (assuming any of you would
consider watching it to be worthwhile.)
Uh, saw a good chunk of that... the similarities are few, the differences
immense.
The list of werewolf acts (hey, there's a pair of words you don't get to string
together very often) was pretty unimpressive.
RT
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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25 Apr 2006 10:38:24 PM |
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I have always regarded "The History Channel" biased when it comes to
its programs on WWII's battles.
They are forever glorifying Germany's Army despite the fact that that
Army lost.
Having to have defeated an inferior army however could hardly edify the
victors more than having defeated a superior army---even if the most
edified 'victors' are just The History Channel's historians.
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| User: "Topaz" |
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26 Apr 2006 09:42:47 AM |
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On 25 Apr 2006 20:38:24 -0700, "Don Gabacho" <jpastore@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
I have always regarded "The History Channel" biased when it comes to
its programs on WWII's battles.
They are forever glorifying Germany's Army despite the fact that that
Army lost.
Compare the size of Germany to the size of the Jewish controlled
countries the USA and the USSR.
Having to have defeated an inferior army however could hardly edify the
victors more than having defeated a superior army---even if the most
edified 'victors' are just The History Channel's historians.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "Miles Long" |
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24 Apr 2006 08:31:28 AM |
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Wayne H. Wilhelm wrote:
On today's history channel (Ch.61 NE Ohio), deals with Nazi Guerillas
continuing to fight even after the war was considered over. Attacks, many
similar to what we see today in Iraq, were carried out against the Russians,
British, French and Americans. In one case, a school was even blown up.
The review airs again today at 2:00 PM eastern time zone; 04/24/2006,
entitled 'Nazi Guerillas'.
"Recalling the post World War II Nazi loyalists who used guerilla tactics to
halt reconstruction in Germany."
While there are many similarities to the British and American presence in
Iraq after war, I suspect there are also many differences. I'm curious as
to how other inquiring minds might view this (assuming any of you would
consider watching it to be worthwhile.)
Didn't Nazi Germany declare war on the US? <chuckle> Or, is it a case of
really stupid Americans believing John Belushi's character in Animal
House ranting, "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Miles "Apples & Oranges" Long
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| User: "" |
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24 Apr 2006 08:24:33 AM |
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Wayne H. Wilhelm wrote:
[snip]
While there are many similarities to the British and American presence in
Iraq after war, I suspect there are also many differences. I'm curious as
to how other inquiring minds might view this (assuming any of you would
consider watching it to be worthwhile.)
The siginficant difference is that the majority of the population
in
Germany felt "they" had been defeated by the Allies. Although there
were resistent members of the Nazi party left, most of them felt
defeated. Additionally, the rest of the population was happy that
the western allies were in charge as oppose to the communist
eastern allies. Finally the leadership of the Nazi party, that weren't
dead or in prison, left and went to other countries, mostly Argentina.
They left behind no civil war.
In Iraq, the vast majority of the population sees us as occupiers
who replaced the existing "occupier". "They" don't feel defeated.
They are marginally happy he is gone, and have hope we will leave,
but they don't differentiate between any of their occupiers and
arent' "thankful" that we are there instead of the British or
Australians
or any of the other Allies. Furthermore, the "leaders" of any
resistence
are not in prison, some are dead, and none are fleeing to Argentina.
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