BW the pathetic sack o' s*** wrote
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani wrote:
HA HA HA HA!
Check this out!
The little PU$$Y was so incensed by me pointing out the fact that :
Osama is alive and directing attacks
Saddam is alive and direction attacks
No peace in Afghanistan
No peace in Iraq
The US Economy is dead
That he had to cut the group I was in to run off to some new newsgroups
to talk some meaningless trash talk to heal his bruised little ego!
$@#$ing PATHETIC! Well LITTLE MAN, I've re-posted this to the proper
groups, so you're @$$ whooping will be quite public thist ime.
Now let's deal with his sad little attempts to debate... or rather...
let's deal with the only material he thought he could talk about safely
without getting his face used to mop the floor with. But before that,
let's break to look at some "BUSH IS A LOSER" t-shirts.
No, let's not and say we did, Tlalocelotl. To be quite blunt with you,
the Democrats'
I am not nor have ever been a Democrat, matter of fact you stupid sack
o' s***, I even told you in the very post you're replying to :
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Oh, and before you come back with a pouty lip, talking
"demmyrat"
garbage? I am not, have never been, nor will ever be a Democrat, and I
have never voted for that party. Now go take your propaganda, shove it
up your @$$, and #$#$ yourself.
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Now then, how about dealing with BUSH'S failure and stop trying to pin
his LOSER status on CLINTON'S d***?
Osama? Alive and attacking.
Saddam? Alive and attacking.
WMDs? None to be found.
But the economy? Dead as a door nail.
Try to stay on point this time, whining about the Democrats when you're
not facing one... just makes you look like exactly what you are, a sad
excuse for a human being. What Clinton did is IRRELEVANT to what Bush is
not doing.
Your last point is, of course, the most laughable of all,
Say that to the unemployed.
Jobs are leaving American for India, jack@$$. Here, have a read, ya
fool.
The White Collar
Migration - Part 1
As Economy Gains, Outsourcing Surges
By Hiawatha Bray
The Boston Globe
11-5-3
MANILA -- To hear how far and deep the outsourcing of American jobs has
traveled, listen to Christian Mancenon in
barely accented English take an order over the phone for HBO from a man
in Lebanon, Ill.
"I'm showing here that you love movies," the 25-year-old Filipino said,
while looking at his computer screen in a
low-rise building in Makati, Manila's business district. Mancenon and
600 others work for a subsidiary of Philippines
Long Distance Telephone Co. that fields customer calls for Dish Network
satellite TV of Littleton, Colo.
Like India, Pakistan, and Russia, the Philippines has a growing share of
the world's high-tech jobs that have fled
high-cost places, such as Massachusetts and California's Silicon Valley.
But even workers filling customer orders, with
few skills, have trouble competing with the $300 a month Mancenon is
paid in the Philippines, one-fifth of what a
worker in the United States would get for doing the same job.
The spread of outsourcing, beyond hard-hit technology workers, is a big
reason the US economic recovery so far is a
jobless one, and has stayed that way much longer than in previous
upturns. A study released recently from the
University of California at Berkeley says the country lost more than 1
million white-collar jobs in the 1990s and
"hundreds of thousands more since the turn of the century."
Precise data are hard to come by and estimates vary widely, but the UC
study says that outsourcing is accelerating. "If
you simultaneously read Indian newspapers and US newspapers, you're
going to get a good correlation between layoffs
here and jobs being created there," said Ashok Deo Bardhan, a researcher
for the study. He added that as many as
30,000 jobs were lost to India alone in June, and that 14 million US
service jobs are vulnerable.
Lured by lower costs overseas that enable them to increase profits in
tough times, companies like Dell Computer Corp.,
Procter & Gamble Co., American Express Corp., and Citibank employ 20,000
Filipinos to answer their phones. The
Philippine government predicts that call center jobs will double over
the next year.
Filipinos also are competing for high-tech jobs like software
development and engineering, the kind of work US firms
have been sending to India. US jobs also are going to Ireland, Russia,
China, even Ghana.
Many economists say the lost jobs will be absorbed as the economic
expansion lengthens and as baby boomers retire,
shrinking the overall US labor force. But the UC study says that unless
the US economy pioneers new high-wage
industries to employ the displaced workers, they can expect a future of
lower pay and a reduced standard of living.
US companies say they have no choice. In a global economy, they say,
they must stay competitive with companies that
operate in lower-cost countries -- akin to the argument that if one guy
does it, everybody has to just to keep alive.
"Clearly, US companies have looked offshore because they have to reduce
their operating costs in order to survive,"
said Rita Cruz, a partner at the consulting firm Accenture, which
employs 2,000 Filipino software developers.
Inevitably, that means tougher times for many US workers. Despite a
Commerce Department report last week that the
economy grew at a 7.2 percent annual rate in the third quarter, the
sharpest growth in 19 years, the economy still lost
41,000 more jobs.
One year before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Northwest Airlines
employed more than 52,000 workers. By last
September, that was down below 39,000. Meantime, the St. Paul, Minn.,
company employs computer programmers in
Manila. Foreign workers "cover commodity tasks, enabling us to shift
employees to focus on key innovation areas," said
Mary Stanik, an airline spokeswoman.
One school of thought says that over time, Americans will benefit from
the higher corporate profits that come from
outsourcing. Low-level work will be performed in low-wage countries,
saving US employees for more demanding,
higher-paying tasks.
Mike Gildea, executive director of the Department for Professional
Employees of the AFL-CIO, which represents 4
million white-collar workers, does not believe the explanation that
Americans will do better in the long run. "It's a load
of crap," he said. "This is exactly what we were told about
manufacturing jobs 15 years ago."
In a country as poor as the Philippines, outsourcing is a bonanza. The
Philippines is regarded as the Asian tiger that
never roared, a promising country that did not achieve the booming
economic growth that came to Taiwan, Singapore,
or South Korea. The country's 84 million people include a sizable middle
class, but according to government statistics,
average household income as of 2000 was about $2,600, with a third of
all households earning less than $1,000 a year.
But the literacy rate is well over 90 percent. The universities produce
350,000 graduates a year, 50,000 of them
engineers, more than the domestic economy can absorb. Most speak
English.
Because the Philippines is near the Asian mainland and Australia, and
because of longstanding economic and military
ties to America, the country has superb telecommunications links. A
network of undersea fiber optic cables connects the
islands to North America, Asia, Africa, and Europe, providing excellent
voice and data communications at low cost.
But decades of corrupt misrule and martial law spoiled the Philippine
economy. Once the only hope for educated
Filipinos was a plane ticket out. Today, it's a phone or a computer
terminal.
Cristina David, a 35-year-old engineer at Software Ventures
International in Manila, oversees several software projects
for US companies. Like many of her colleagues, she knows how things are
done in America. "I worked there for two
years," she said. "I felt so lonely, so I had to come back."
And why not? She can do the same work in the Philippines, and although a
$4,000 annual salary is sub-poverty in the
United States, it lets David live the sweet life in Manila. She drives a
Mitsubishi Lancer -- "fully loaded," David said.
In the home David shares with her widowed mother, there is a live-in
maid who does all the cooking and cleaning, six
days a week, in exchange for room and board and $50 a month. Every
December, David and her friends fly to Hong
Kong or Thailand for vacation. Software Ventures has been developing
software in Manila for nearly 30 years. During
that time, said president and CEO Gil Guanio, the company hired and
trained about 6,000 people, only to see the best
of them immigrate to the US, Canada, or Australia.
Today, the company finds it far easier to keep its 500 software
developers at home because opportunity in the United
States has dwindled but keeps growing in the Philippines. "The only way
to keep what I call the best people," Guanio
said, "is to pursue an offshore strategy that brings the work from out
of the country into the country."
The strategy has been working as a growing number of US firms have sent
programming work to the Philippines. Since
2000, Thomson West, an Eagan, Minn., publishing company, employed
Software Ventures for software maintenance
and support services. Con-Way Transportation Services, a major trucking
firm in Ann Arbor, Mich., has had its older
software maintained by Software Ventures since 2001. "It frees our
people up to do more cutting-edge stuff," said
Con-Way's marketing director, Joe DeLuca.
That's no solace to out-of-work US programmers, who are competing
against the likes of Mary Rose Dela Cruz. She
has worked for seven years as a software developer for Headstrong Corp.,
a Fairfax, Va., consulting firm. The
company's global development center in Manila employs 150 software
developers, tackling projects for US, European,
and Asian firms.
Dela Cruz makes about $1,000 a month, a fraction of what an equally
skilled American would earn. But in the
Philippine economy, she can afford a car and overseas vacations, while
providing financial aid to put other members of
her family through school.
Most Philippine outsourcing jobs do not go to software engineers. The
biggest boom comes in lower-skilled technology
work like medical transcription. Consider eData Services, a Manila
company that provides an 800 phone number in the
United States for doctors to dial in and dictate medical information.
The eData workers, all of whom hold a degree
related to medical care -- usually nursing or physical therapy -- type
it up. Doctors working for eData part time act as
editors and check the accuracy of the work. Once it is verified, the
transcripts are e-mailed back to doctors' offices in
the United States.
At the call center where Mancenon works, the company sends workers
through "Amspeak" training courses. The
schooling seeks to purge workers' voices of "foreign" accents and
familiarize them with the latest American slang.
Nonetheless, despite the training in American English and pop culture,
Mancenon estimated that 3 of 10 callers realize
they are speaking to someone outside America: "If they ask us if we're
American, we proudly say 'no.'"
- Hiawatha Bray can be reached at bray@globe.com.
© 2003 The New York Times Company
http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2003/11/
02/as_economy_gains_outsourcing_surges/
given that the DOW
is now approaching the 10,000 point, housing starts are up, the
Unemployment
rate is down, and the GDP is growing at the fastest rate it has in 19
years.
Yes, Tlalocelotl, "in the last 19 years" does indeed include the
Glorious
Clinton Years.
TT
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