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From The New York Daily News, 9/16/07
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_neocon_hawks_go_allout_for_giuliani.html
Neocon hawks go all-out for Giuliani
BY DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
They are officially known as Rudy Giuliani's senior foreign policy
advisory board, but they also could be dubbed something else:
Neocons For Rudy.
As in neoconservatives, the Republican faction that many see as among
the most potent forces of Bush-era Washington - a well-funded, sharply
analytical bunch that provided the ideological basis for invading Iraq
and is now training its cross hairs on Iran.
Many of its leaders now see Giuliani as the made-to-order candidate,
or at least the best chance to perpetuate their influence, experts
say.
"Everything is still fluid. But I do think Giuliani is picking up a
good bit of neoconservative support," said Peter Steinfels,
co-director of the Fordham University Center on Religion and Culture
and the author of "The Neoconservatives."
That should come as no surprise given the history of the movement,
Giuliani's record as mayor and his White House candidacy, experts add.
Giuliani's neocon roster includes Norman Podhoretz, a founding father
of the movement;
Charles Hill, a former foreign policy official for President Ronald
Reagan and early backer of invading Iraq;
Martin Kramer, an expert on Islam at Harvard University and staunch
defender of Israel,
and Daniel Pipes, director of the hawkish Middle East Forum.
Whether their embrace of Giuliani will turn out to be a good thing for
the ex-mayor if he makes it to the general election remains to be
seen.
Some believe it could be more baggage than boost.
The neoconservative label is used these days to describe an
aggressive, go-it-alone approach to foreign affairs that provided
President Bush with the logic for invading Iraq - a war 70% of
Americans now oppose.
"I don't think it is a vote-winner, frankly, because it is largely
associated with failure at the moment," said Irwin Stelzer, author of
"The Neocon Reader" and director of economic policy studies at the
Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank.
But there's more to neoconservatism than the war.
The word refers to a movement that sprang from New York's upper West
Side in the late '60s, led principally by ex-liberals who felt welfare
policies had veered too far left.
Irving Kristol, a movement founder, once defined neoconservative as a
"liberal mugged by reality."
On the foreign policy side, along with projecting a strong military
posture abroad, neoconservatives are skeptical of international
organizations, such as the United Nations, and ardently pro-Israel.
All of which describes Giuliani.
As mayor, he reveled in challenging liberal dogma, particularly on
taxes, crime and welfare, and rarely missed a chance to slap the UN.
And while virtually all the Republican candidates for President have
staked out positions in favor of continuing the Iraq war, none have
made security and the broader war on terror as dominant a theme as
Giuliani.
It comes as little surprise then, say experts, that Giuliani's team of
foreign policy advisers includes some of neconservatism's heaviest
hitters, chief among them Podhoretz.
"I think Giuliani has a reasonable claim to the neoconservative
mantle," said Stelzer.
"And Norman is in the position to put the crown on anyone's head."
Lately, Podhoretz and like-minded neocons have been clamoring for a
military strike against Iran - a prospect Giuliani has said cannot be
ruled out if diplomatic efforts to rein in the country's nuclear
program fail.
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Nuff said
Harry
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16 Sep 2007 09:34:13 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:cjaqe35pqhgqdeavbhg82nnhhm85pr1cph@4ax.com...
From The New York Daily News, 9/16/07
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_neocon_hawks_go_allout_for_giuliani.html
Neocon hawks go all-out for Giuliani
They are officially known as Rudy Giuliani's senior foreign policy
advisory board, but they also could be dubbed something else:
Neocons For Rudy.
As in neoconservatives, the Republican faction that many see as among
the most potent forces of Bush-era Washington - a well-funded, sharply
analytical bunch that provided the ideological basis for invading Iraq
and is now training its cross hairs on Iran.
Pity you don't call them what they are, Jews.
Originally, in the context of
the United States, it referred to a
right-wing movement of former political leftists. As Michael Lind has
observed, "Most neoconservative defense intellectuals have their roots on
the left, not the right. They are products of the influential
Jewish-American sector of the Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s,
which morphed into anti-communist liberalism between the 1950s and 1970s and
finally into a kind of militaristic and imperial right with no precedents in
American culture or political history." from
disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Neoconservative
Then search "global stragety councils".
" ... 10. The United States was anxious to have other countries supply
assistance to Iraq. For example, in 1984, the Israelis concluded that
Iran was more dangerous than Iraq to Israel's existence due to the growing
Iranian influence and presence in Lebanon. The Israelis approached the
United States in a meeting in Jerusalem that I attended with Donald
Rumsfeld. Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir asked Rumsfeld if the
United States would deliver a secret offer of Israeli assistance to Iraq.
The United States agreed. I travelled wtih Rumsfeld to Baghdad and was
present at the meeting in which Rumsfeld told Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq
Aziz about Israel's offer of assistance. Aziz refused even to accept the
Israelis' letter to Hussein offering assistance, because Aziz told us that
he would be executed on the spot by Hussein if he did so. ..." from "teicher
+article1413.htm"
The Jews have control of the political system of this country. Not one
politician has the strenght of character or the patriotism to stand up to
the Jews. America is just a field tilled and periodically harvested by the
Jews. The latest harvest was the subprime mortgages.
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16 Sep 2007 09:48:48 AM |
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In article <cjaqe35pqhgqdeavbhg82nnhhm85pr1cph@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The New York Daily News, 9/16/07
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_neocon_hawks_g
o_allout_for_giuliani.html
Neocon hawks go all-out for Giuliani
BY DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
They are officially known as Rudy Giuliani's senior foreign policy
advisory board, but they also could be dubbed something else:
Neocons For Rudy.
As in neoconservatives, the Republican faction that many see as among
the most potent forces of Bush-era Washington - a well-funded, sharply
analytical bunch that provided the ideological basis for invading Iraq
and is now training its cross hairs on Iran.
Many of its leaders now see Giuliani as the made-to-order candidate,
or at least the best chance to perpetuate their influence, experts
say.
"Everything is still fluid. But I do think Giuliani is picking up a
good bit of neoconservative support," said Peter Steinfels,
co-director of the Fordham University Center on Religion and Culture
and the author of "The Neoconservatives."
That should come as no surprise given the history of the movement,
Giuliani's record as mayor and his White House candidacy, experts add.
Giuliani's neocon roster includes Norman Podhoretz, a founding father
of the movement;
Charles Hill, a former foreign policy official for President Ronald
Reagan and early backer of invading Iraq;
Martin Kramer, an expert on Islam at Harvard University and staunch
defender of Israel,
and Daniel Pipes, director of the hawkish Middle East Forum.
Whether their embrace of Giuliani will turn out to be a good thing for
the ex-mayor if he makes it to the general election remains to be
seen.
Some believe it could be more baggage than boost.
The neoconservative label is used these days to describe an
aggressive, go-it-alone approach to foreign affairs that provided
President Bush with the logic for invading Iraq - a war 70% of
Americans now oppose.
"I don't think it is a vote-winner, frankly, because it is largely
associated with failure at the moment," said Irwin Stelzer, author of
"The Neocon Reader" and director of economic policy studies at the
Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank.
But there's more to neoconservatism than the war.
The word refers to a movement that sprang from New York's upper West
Side in the late '60s, led principally by ex-liberals who felt welfare
policies had veered too far left.
Irving Kristol, a movement founder, once defined neoconservative as a
"liberal mugged by reality."
On the foreign policy side, along with projecting a strong military
posture abroad, neoconservatives are skeptical of international
organizations, such as the United Nations, and ardently pro-Israel.
All of which describes Giuliani.
As mayor, he reveled in challenging liberal dogma, particularly on
taxes, crime and welfare, and rarely missed a chance to slap the UN.
And while virtually all the Republican candidates for President have
staked out positions in favor of continuing the Iraq war, none have
made security and the broader war on terror as dominant a theme as
Giuliani.
It comes as little surprise then, say experts, that Giuliani's team of
foreign policy advisers includes some of neconservatism's heaviest
hitters, chief among them Podhoretz.
"I think Giuliani has a reasonable claim to the neoconservative
mantle," said Stelzer.
"And Norman is in the position to put the crown on anyone's head."
Lately, Podhoretz and like-minded neocons have been clamoring for a
military strike against Iran - a prospect Giuliani has said cannot be
ruled out if diplomatic efforts to rein in the country's nuclear
program fail.
___________________________________________________
Nuff said
Harry
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THE NEOCONS GET IT. BUT THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THEY WILL LOSE IT.
The object of the war was, has been, and IS -- to transfer the
contents of the U.S. Treasury to Bush's supporters, the war
profiteers; to enhance his "Unitary" powers,
and to dominate the oil resources of the middle east.
Continuation of the war continues the looting of the treasury and
confirms his "war presidency". THIS IS ALL FORESHADOWED IN THE
"PNAC" IN WHICH THEY SET FORTH THEIR PROGRAM. We were warned.
Bush and his NEOCON supporters have already "won" the war--- and they
continue winning every day the war continues.
but --
WHAT REALLY TERRIFIES THEM IS THE PROSPECT OF ALL THAT UNITARY
PRESIDENTIAL POWER BEING TRANSFERRED TO THE DEMOCRATS IN THE 2008
ELECTIONS.
--Gar
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