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"Godzilla Pimp" |
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02 Aug 2006 11:34:09 PM |
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Neutral-Semitic? |
As we all know, it is socially unacceptable to be anti-Semitic, no matter
how many horrible things the Jews do. But this raises the question, are we
required to be pro-Semitic or are we allowed to be merely neutral-Semitic?
GP
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| User: "DCI" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
03 Aug 2006 07:23:07 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:10:02 -0600, Sara Salzman
<catamont@concentric.net> wrote:
The term "anti-semitic" was coined by a German named Wilhelm Marr, who
wanted a word that sounded better than "Jew-hater."
Among several available sites to back your comment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr
DCI
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| User: "Sara Salzman" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
03 Aug 2006 09:19:08 PM |
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In article <dp45d2l54l4mo33g82cph6ctga6tm8ruak@4ax.com>,
DCI <never@comcast.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:10:02 -0600, Sara Salzman
<catamont@concentric.net> wrote:
The term "anti-semitic" was coined by a German named Wilhelm Marr, who
wanted a word that sounded better than "Jew-hater."
Among several available sites to back your comment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr
DCI
Thank you. It always amuses me when Holocaust deniers and their neo-Nazi
buddies drag out the old canard about "I like Semites! Arabs are
Semites! So how can I be anti-Semitic?!"
While trying to prove... I don't know what, they only broadcast their
own ignorance.
Sara
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In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count
that votes.
- Mogens Jallberg
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| User: "kagemusha" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
04 Aug 2006 11:31:02 AM |
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Wow you people are so wide of the mark here by calling me a racist for
merely discussing the etymology of the word antisemite or anti-semite.
These shouts of racism from people is frankly derisory and
intellectually dishonest. As I explained, obviously not simply enough,
the presumption because of the antonym to the word semite thus making it
anti-semite is misleading and I thank you for the correction, I also
suggested that antisemite would be more appropriate for clarity.
In either case, kagemusha's argument is specious at best. No, being critical
of Israel in and of itself does not constitute antisemitism. There are
Israelis in their own government who are critical of some of their policies.
But kagemusha needs to look at the REASON he's critical of Israel. If he
truly believes his facts to be in order, then his criticism of Israel is
appropriate and probably not based in antisemitism.
The problem lies in the idea that many people believe the facts do not speak
critically of Israel, but support its right to defend itself against
unwarranted attacks from unoccupied countries.
If kagemusha sees that in some other way, then his underlying, perhaps even
subconscious, reason for being critical of Israel may very well be
antisemitism. He just doesn't understand it that way.
You need to know your own heart to "know" if you're antisemitic or not. If
you truly believe that the vast Arab/Muslim nation of 1.2 billion people
with their millions of square miles of territory is the underdog to the tiny
Israeli nation of 5 million Jews, you may have your heart in the right place
but your vision is clouded. I would suggest you assess more carefully.
In answer to Carl's argument that my reasoning is specious and my
motivations, possibly racist, I would like to address these.
Whilst I agree that there is a large amount of antisemitic posting,
which I find abhorrent, I do feel that some of it is probably down to a
lack of communication ability and shouldn't be entirely dismissed out of
hand, as I presumed was the first post that made this thread.
I'm sure some of you will feel that my motivation is racist and will
glibly post eluding to that presumption. Well I can't do anything about
that. What I can try to do is talk to people who are more discerning and
who's critical faculties can see beyond self righteous indignation.
Right here goes. I dislike what Israel are doing because I see it as an
injustice. Pure and simple as that! Is that hard to believe? Can you
possibly take it on board as purely that?
Israel is a State, but instead of behaving like a State some of the
politicians act like political gangsters and Israeli's have collective
responsibility for electing them and letting them behave like that. I'm
not going to go into why Israeli's have decided that political
gangsterism is they way to go, or discuss in this thread what should be
done about it. I'm just stating my motivations for posting. Yes,
Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas are political gangsters too - but
they are a group not a State.
Also, finally, do I detect a hint of racism in your post Carl, 'the vast
Arab/Muslim nation of 1.2 billion'? Smacks of the old 'hordes from the
east'. Maybe not? Like you say, perhaps more careful assessment is needed.
Sara Salzman wrote:
In article <dp45d2l54l4mo33g82cph6ctga6tm8ruak@4ax.com>,
DCI <never@comcast.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:10:02 -0600, Sara Salzman
<catamont@concentric.net> wrote:
The term "anti-semitic" was coined by a German named Wilhelm Marr, who
wanted a word that sounded better than "Jew-hater."
Among several available sites to back your comment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr
DCI
Thank you. It always amuses me when Holocaust deniers and their neo-Nazi
buddies drag out the old canard about "I like Semites! Arabs are
Semites! So how can I be anti-Semitic?!"
While trying to prove... I don't know what, they only broadcast their
own ignorance.
Sara
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| User: "Kurt Knoll" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
03 Aug 2006 04:53:17 AM |
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You requirement is not to critic the holocaust so the holohoaxers say.
Kurt Knoll.
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:51fAg.3918$0e5.316@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
As we all know, it is socially unacceptable to be anti-Semitic, no matter
how many horrible things the Jews do. But this raises the question, are we
required to be pro-Semitic or are we allowed to be merely neutral-Semitic?
GP
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