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"Godzilla Pimp" |
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02 Aug 2006 11:34:09 PM |
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Neutral-Semitic? |
As we all know, it is socially unacceptable to be anti-Semitic, no matter
how many horrible things the Jews do. But this raises the question, are we
required to be pro-Semitic or are we allowed to be merely neutral-Semitic?
GP
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| User: "Fay Glenn" |
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04 Aug 2006 04:19:11 AM |
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Odd how anti semetic remarks from Americans is time for outrage but from
the Islamofasciests it creates not a ripple of distaste, much less
outrage. I can't fathom the double standards of
some people.
"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare
indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."
Conservatives, he said, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and
prepared for war.
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What the Enemy wants:
"It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our)
religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will
attack everywhere." Spain was controlled by Arab Muslims for more than
seven centuries until they were driven from power in 1492.
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| User: "Carl" |
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04 Aug 2006 11:54:02 AM |
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I am unable to grasp what you are trying to say in this post. Sorry, it must
be me. Can you re-state it in less obtuse terms?
"Fay Glenn" <Rimsuyasi@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7171-44D3110F-447@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net...
Odd how anti semetic remarks from Americans is time for outrage but from
the Islamofasciests it creates not a ripple of distaste, much less
outrage. I can't fathom the double standards of
some people.
"Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare
indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."
Conservatives, he said, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and
prepared for war.
=============================================
What the Enemy wants:
"It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our)
religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will
attack everywhere." Spain was controlled by Arab Muslims for more than
seven centuries until they were driven from power in 1492.
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| User: "kagemusha" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
03 Aug 2006 10:40:20 AM |
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Se·mit·ic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language
group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as the
semitic group includes Arabs
Calling people anti-semites is just a method employed by modern zionists
to try to silence anyone who criticizes Israeli behaviour. It is used to
conjure up memories and mental images of dead people who were murdered
by the Nazi's, therefore associating the person called an anti-semite
with them.
It is ironic that Israel, a racist state, uses such methods.
Godzilla Pimp wrote:
As we all know, it is socially unacceptable to be anti-Semitic, no matter
how many horrible things the Jews do. But this raises the question, are we
required to be pro-Semitic or are we allowed to be merely neutral-Semitic?
GP
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| User: "Kurt Knoll" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
03 Aug 2006 10:53:32 AM |
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"kagemusha" <kag@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
Se·mit·ic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language
group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as the
semitic group includes Arabs
Calling people anti-semites is just a method employed by modern zionists
to try to silence anyone who criticizes Israeli behaviour. It is used to
conjure up memories and mental images of dead people who were murdered by
the Nazi's, therefore associating the person called an anti-semite with
them.
It is ironic that Israel, a racist state, uses such methods.
It made nothing but money for them since 1945 and i just wonder what they
will come up with next.
Kurt Knoll.
Godzilla Pimp wrote:
As we all know, it is socially unacceptable to be anti-Semitic, no matter
how many horrible things the Jews do. But this raises the question, are
we required to be pro-Semitic or are we allowed to be merely
neutral-Semitic?
GP
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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03 Aug 2006 10:53:57 AM |
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(kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus", a
word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass, or
"Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "" |
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03 Aug 2006 10:55:21 PM |
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On 3-Aug-2006, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus", a
word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass, or
"Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
You can always tell a bigot: they're the ones who refuse to look up the
word "anti-Semitic" because they know very well what it means, They
always look up the word "semtitic" and pretend it's the same in reverse.
They really hate the fact that the 19th century bigot's trick of pretending
Jew-hatred was a science instead of a pathology, and giving it a clinical
name, has backfired on them.
Susan
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| User: "Carl" |
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03 Aug 2006 11:05:44 PM |
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You can always tell a bigot: they're the ones who refuse to look up the
word "anti-Semitic" because they know very well what it means, They
always look up the word "semtitic" and pretend it's the same in reverse.
They really hate the fact that the 19th century bigot's trick of
pretending
Jew-hatred was a science instead of a pathology, and giving it a clinical
name, has backfired on them
You are good! :-) Excellent.
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:JyzAg.5066$8v.2193@trnddc05...
On 3-Aug-2006, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus", a
word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass, or
"Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
You can always tell a bigot: they're the ones who refuse to look up the
word "anti-Semitic" because they know very well what it means, They
always look up the word "semtitic" and pretend it's the same in reverse.
They really hate the fact that the 19th century bigot's trick of
pretending
Jew-hatred was a science instead of a pathology, and giving it a clinical
name, has backfired on them.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
04 Aug 2006 01:07:37 AM |
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On 4-Aug-2006, "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
You can always tell a bigot: they're the ones who refuse to look up the
word "anti-Semitic" because they know very well what it means, They
always look up the word "semtitic" and pretend it's the same in reverse.
They really hate the fact that the 19th century bigot's trick of
pretending
Jew-hatred was a science instead of a pathology, and giving it a
clinical
name, has backfired on them
You are good! :-) Excellent.
Unfortunately, I have had a lot of practice.
Susan
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| User: "Carl" |
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04 Aug 2006 11:50:41 AM |
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I know the feeling. It seems, sometimes, to be a losing battle, but it is a
battle which must be fought.
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:JuBAg.9004$cj7.1176@trnddc01...
On 4-Aug-2006, "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
You can always tell a bigot: they're the ones who refuse to look up the
word "anti-Semitic" because they know very well what it means, They
always look up the word "semtitic" and pretend it's the same in
reverse.
They really hate the fact that the 19th century bigot's trick of
pretending
Jew-hatred was a science instead of a pathology, and giving it a
clinical
name, has backfired on them
You are good! :-) Excellent.
Unfortunately, I have had a lot of practice.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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04 Aug 2006 01:41:43 PM |
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On 4-Aug-2006, "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
I know the feeling. It seems, sometimes, to be a losing battle, but it is
a battle which must be fought.
"Never again" means something.
Susan
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:JuBAg.9004$cj7.1176@trnddc01...
On 4-Aug-2006, "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
You can always tell a bigot: they're the ones who refuse to look up
the
word "anti-Semitic" because they know very well what it means, They
always look up the word "semtitic" and pretend it's the same in
reverse.
They really hate the fact that the 19th century bigot's trick of
pretending
Jew-hatred was a science instead of a pathology, and giving it a
clinical
name, has backfired on them
You are good! :-) Excellent.
Unfortunately, I have had a lot of practice.
Susan
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| User: "kagemusha" |
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| Title: Re: Neutral-Semitic? |
03 Aug 2006 11:39:51 AM |
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Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as the
latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus", a
word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass, or
"Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
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| User: "kagemusha" |
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03 Aug 2006 12:04:13 PM |
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Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as the
latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus", a
word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass, or
"Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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03 Aug 2006 12:10:57 PM |
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(kagemusha) wrote in
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
But you're the one who brought it up.
Do you disagree with yourself?
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as
the latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
(kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and
Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism
as the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German
"Antisemitismus", a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a
euphemism for Judenhass, or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or
"semitic"
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Carl" |
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03 Aug 2006 12:34:37 PM |
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In either case, kagemusha's argument is specious at best. No, being critical
of Israel in and of itself does not constitute antisemitism. There are
Israelis in their own government who are critical of some of their policies.
But kagemusha needs to look at the REASON he's critical of Israel. If he
truly believes his facts to be in order, then his criticism of Israel is
appropriate and probably not based in antisemitism.
The problem lies in the idea that many people believe the facts do not speak
critically of Israel, but support its right to defend itself against
unwarranted attacks from unoccupied countries.
If kagemusha sees that in some other way, then his underlying, perhaps even
subconscious, reason for being critical of Israel may very well be
antisemitism. He just doesn't understand it that way.
You need to know your own heart to "know" if you're antisemitic or not. If
you truly believe that the vast Arab/Muslim nation of 1.2 billion people
with their millions of square miles of territory is the underdog to the tiny
Israeli nation of 5 million Jews, you may have your heart in the right place
but your vision is clouded. I would suggest you assess more carefully.
"Bert Hyman" <> wrote in message
news:Xns98147C00E516DVeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1...
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
But you're the one who brought it up.
Do you disagree with yourself?
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as
the latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and
Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism
as the semitic group includes Arabs
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German
"Antisemitismus", a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a
euphemism for Judenhass, or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or
"semitic"
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Chen Li Huang" |
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03 Aug 2006 01:50:07 PM |
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If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic because of
their involvment in the displacement of palestinians, which are semitic
arabs. Thanks for the insight!
"kagemusha" <kag@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as the
latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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03 Aug 2006 03:29:10 PM |
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(Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
"kagemusha" <kag@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as
the latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and
Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not
anti-semitism as the semitic group includes Arabs
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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03 Aug 2006 04:02:14 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <> wrote in message
news:Xns98149D8681F43VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1...
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
Sounds like the old boy simply used the wrong word. Claiming we all have
to be wrong forever isn't usually the way things are done.
"kagemusha" <kag@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as
the latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and
Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not
anti-semitism as the semitic group includes Arabs
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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03 Aug 2006 06:16:03 PM |
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ouroboros rex wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98149D8681F43VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1...
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
Sounds like the old boy simply used the wrong word. Claiming we all have
to be wrong forever isn't usually the way things are done.
That was the definition given by Wilhem Marr, when he coined the word
in 1879 to make his Jew-hating seem more respectable.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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03 Aug 2006 06:14:52 PM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
and besides Semites are the people who speak the Semetic languages which
are but not limited to; Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic. You are correct
about Wilhelm Marr he invented the word to give bigots against Jews a
better name, to legitimize it, if you will.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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03 Aug 2006 06:23:10 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:14:52 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote:
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
and besides Semites are the people who speak the Semetic languages which
are but not limited to; Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic. You are correct
about Wilhelm Marr he invented the word to give bigots against Jews a
better name, to legitimize it, if you will.
Aren't you silly Jews tired of running the blame game?
Time to educate a dumb ***** Jew. The word bigot means a person
obstinately and intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and
prejudices.
Guess what asswipe, that describes YOU perfectly plus many Jews and
Jew supporters right in this newsgroup that constantly attack Muslims,
Arabs and anybody that dares to give a accurate account of Jews
tirelessly throwing out their anti-semtic *****.
Smarter people see there is plenty of hate on BOTH sides and that is
the reason for the endless cycle of violence in the middle east.
Israel is just as guility as their enemies of hating.
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03 Aug 2006 10:58:52 PM |
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You are an idiot. There is more bigotry, antisemitism, and generalization in
your one post than in all the others combined. You should re-read it. Maybe
something will click in.
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:ju05d2hbcbb4ifo2cm3d17e0ml18jq2438@4ax.com...
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:14:52 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote:
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
and besides Semites are the people who speak the Semetic languages which
are but not limited to; Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic. You are correct
about Wilhelm Marr he invented the word to give bigots against Jews a
better name, to legitimize it, if you will.
Aren't you silly Jews tired of running the blame game?
Time to educate a dumb ***** Jew. The word bigot means a person
obstinately and intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and
prejudices.
Guess what asswipe, that describes YOU perfectly plus many Jews and
Jew supporters right in this newsgroup that constantly attack Muslims,
Arabs and anybody that dares to give a accurate account of Jews
tirelessly throwing out their anti-semtic *****.
Smarter people see there is plenty of hate on BOTH sides and that is
the reason for the endless cycle of violence in the middle east.
Israel is just as guility as their enemies of hating.
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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04 Aug 2006 01:57:36 PM |
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Carl wrote:
You are an idiot.
Yes, he is.
There is more bigotry, antisemitism, and generalization in
your one post than in all the others combined. You should re-read it. Maybe
something will click in.
If he were smart enough for something to "click in" he wouldn't be a
bigot or and idiot. All forms of bigotry are born of ignorance and fear.
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:ju05d2hbcbb4ifo2cm3d17e0ml18jq2438@4ax.com...
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:14:52 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote:
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
and besides Semites are the people who speak the Semetic languages which
are but not limited to; Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic. You are correct
about Wilhelm Marr he invented the word to give bigots against Jews a
better name, to legitimize it, if you will.
Aren't you silly Jews tired of running the blame game?
Time to educate a dumb ***** Jew. The word bigot means a person
obstinately and intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and
prejudices.
Guess what asswipe, that describes YOU perfectly plus many Jews and
Jew supporters right in this newsgroup that constantly attack Muslims,
Arabs and anybody that dares to give a accurate account of Jews
tirelessly throwing out their anti-semtic *****.
Smarter people see there is plenty of hate on BOTH sides and that is
the reason for the endless cycle of violence in the middle east.
Israel is just as guility as their enemies of hating.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Chen Li Huang" |
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09 Aug 2006 04:06:08 PM |
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I took it upon myself, as you did, to do a little bit of research on your
theory. Here is what i found.
The word antisemitic (antisemitisch in German) was probably first used in
1860 by the Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider in the phrase "antisemitic
prejudices" (German: "antisemitische Vorurteile"). Steinschneider used this
phrase to characterize Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were
inferior to "Aryan races."
So essentially, you are right, however, it still pulls itself from the
belief that semitic races were inferior to aryan races. Essentially, you
had taken the defintion out of context and anti-semitic or semitic refers to
ALL SEMITES! :) Carry on!
"Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98149D8681F43VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1...
grapestorm@cox.net (Chen Li Huang) wrote in
news:jBrAg.10491$RD.1350@fed1read08:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic
because of their involvment in the displacement of palestinians,
which are semitic arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Did you ->really manage to miss this part?
The term "anti-semitic" is derived from the German "Antisemitismus",
a word coined by Wilhelm Marr in 1873 as a euphemism for Judenhass,
or "Jew-hate".
It has nothing to do with the any other use of "semite" or "semitic"
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| User: "" |
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03 Aug 2006 10:57:43 PM |
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On 3-Aug-2006, "Chen Li Huang" <grapestorm@cox.net> wrote:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic because of
their involvment in the displacement of palestinians, which are semitic
arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Ah, I see I was wrong about you & Miriam was right.
Susan
"kagemusha" <kag@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as the
latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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03 Aug 2006 11:10:46 PM |
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wrote:
On 3-Aug-2006, "Chen Li Huang" <grapestorm@cox.net> wrote:
If that's the case, then Zionists themselves are anti-semitic because of
their involvment in the displacement of palestinians, which are semitic
arabs. Thanks for the insight!
Ah, I see I was wrong about you & Miriam was right.
Susan
Just once I wish it could be the other way around :(
"kagemusha" <kag@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-Y-dnfiB2MwMsU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
kagemusha wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as the
latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Bert Hyman wrote:
kag@nospam.com (kagemusha) wrote in
news:B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
Seúmitúic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic
language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as
the semitic group includes Arabs
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "" |
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03 Aug 2006 10:56:50 PM |
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On 3-Aug-2006, kagemusha <kag@nospam.com> wrote:
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
It only is when you lie about Israel, or criticize Israel for things
that other nations do that you never criticize. Or when you use
the word "jews" instead of "Israelis." Those things are dead
giveaways.
Susan
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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03 Aug 2006 11:09:46 PM |
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wrote:
On 3-Aug-2006, kagemusha <kag@nospam.com> wrote:
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
It only is when you lie about Israel, or criticize Israel for things
that other nations do that you never criticize. Or when you use
the word "jews" instead of "Israelis." Those things are dead
giveaways.
Susan
The other dead give away is "some of my best friends are Jews" right
after bitching about Israel :)
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Carl" |
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03 Aug 2006 11:03:47 PM |
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It only is when you lie about Israel, or criticize Israel for things
that other nations do that you never criticize. Or when you use
the word "jews" instead of "Israelis." Those things are dead
giveaways
Exactly correct. But the people we're talking to are incapable of
understanding this. Being antisemitic is in the subtleties and nuances of
what is said, not necessarily in the words themselves.
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:6AzAg.5068$8v.3154@trnddc05...
On 3-Aug-2006, kagemusha <kag@nospam.com> wrote:
Either way, being critical of Israel is not racist in itself, and
therefore not anti-semitism, or if you like antisemitism.
It only is when you lie about Israel, or criticize Israel for things
that other nations do that you never criticize. Or when you use
the word "jews" instead of "Israelis." Those things are dead
giveaways.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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03 Aug 2006 10:55:53 PM |
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On 3-Aug-2006, kagemusha <kag@nospam.com> wrote:
Then surely it should be antisemitic rather than anti-semitic as the
latter denotes an antonym of semitic?
Talk to Wilhelm Marr: he made up the word; we're just going with it.
Susan
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| User: "Sara Salzman" |
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03 Aug 2006 07:10:02 PM |
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In article <B5Wdnemmh4l1hU_ZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
kagemusha <kag@nospam.com> wrote:
Se·mit·ic P Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language
group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.
So being anti-zionist or critical of Israel is not anti-semitism as the
semitic group includes Arabs
Calling people anti-semites is just a method employed by modern zionists
to try to silence anyone who criticizes Israeli behaviour. It is used to
conjure up memories and mental images of dead people who were murdered
by the Nazi's, therefore associating the person called an anti-semite
with them.
It is ironic that Israel, a racist state, uses such methods.
And you are a complete moron.
The term "anti-semitic" was coined by a German named Wilhelm Marr, who
wanted a word that sounded better than "Jew-hater."
Godzilla Pimp wrote:
As we all know, it is socially unacceptable to be anti-Semitic, no matter
how many horrible things the Jews do. But this raises the question, are we
required to be pro-Semitic or are we allowed to be merely neutral-Semitic?
GP
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In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count
that votes.
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