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10 May 2007 10:56:11 AM |
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New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam |
» 05/09/2007 15:12
PAKISTAN
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
by Qaiser Felix
Pakistan’s government sends draft bill tabled by six-party Islamic
alliance to standing committee for review. Under the bill’s terms,
apostates would be sentenced to death or life in prison. Testimony by
two adults is the only independent evidence needed to determine or
demonstrate apostasy. Lahore archbishop is praying the bill is never
adopted.
Islamabad (AsiaNews) – A draft bill adopted in first reading by
Pakistan’s National Assembly is now before a standing committee.
Tabled by a six-party politico-religious alliance, the Muttahida
Majlis-i-Amal or MMA, the Apostasy Act 2006 which the government sent
to the committee would impose the death penalty on Muslim men and life
in prison on Muslim women in case they leave Islam. It would also
force them to forfeit their property and lose legal custody of
children.
During the same session, lawmakers rejected another draft bill moved
by minority MNA Bhandara which sought to amend the existing blasphemy
law.
“This situation is unfortunate and sad. We demand freedom of
conscious, religion and expression in Pakistan, and this bill is
contrary to the principle of freedom of choice”, said Archbishop
Lawrence John Saldanha, head of National Commission for Justice and
Peace and chairman of the Pakistan Catholic Bishops’ Conference.
“Because international human rights charters give every individual the
right to change his or her religion according to his or her
conscience, we hope and pray that this bill will not be passed,” Mgr
Saldanha said.
Should the bill become law anyone who leaves Islam for another
religion can be sentenced to death (if male) or life in prison ‘until
repentance occurs’ (if female).
Section 4 of the bill says that the offender’s own confession in court
or the testimony by at least two adults is sufficient grounds for
conviction in apostasy cases. Testimony by non Muslims is not however
admissible in certain Pakistani courts.
Section 5 stipulates that the ‘offender’ must be granted 3 to 30 days
to recant the conversion and return to Islam. But even in cases where
the person returns to Islam judges can impose two-year sentences as
punishment for the original ‘crime’. The accused can convert and
reconvert up to three times before the death sentence becomes
automatic.
Under Section 8 apostates forfeit all their properties which are
awarded only to their Muslim relatives. Section 9 says that they also
lose custody to any minor in their care and guardianship, including
their biological children.
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam |
10 May 2007 05:12:41 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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» 05/09/2007 15:12
PAKISTAN
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
by Qaiser Felix
Pakistan's government sends draft bill tabled by six-party Islamic
alliance to standing committee for review. Under the bill's terms,
apostates would be sentenced to death or life in prison. Testimony by
two adults is the only independent evidence needed to determine or
demonstrate apostasy. Lahore archbishop is praying the bill is never
adopted.
Bush's great friends, the Pakistanis.
The country run by a military dictator who came to power in a coup.
You gets whats you ask for.
Islamabad (AsiaNews) - A draft bill adopted in first reading by
Pakistan's National Assembly is now before a standing committee.
Tabled by a six-party politico-religious alliance, the Muttahida
Majlis-i-Amal or MMA, the Apostasy Act 2006 which the government sent
to the committee would impose the death penalty on Muslim men and life
in prison on Muslim women in case they leave Islam. It would also
force them to forfeit their property and lose legal custody of
children.
During the same session, lawmakers rejected another draft bill moved
by minority MNA Bhandara which sought to amend the existing blasphemy
law.
"This situation is unfortunate and sad. We demand freedom of
conscious, religion and expression in Pakistan, and this bill is
contrary to the principle of freedom of choice", said Archbishop
Lawrence John Saldanha, head of National Commission for Justice and
Peace and chairman of the Pakistan Catholic Bishops' Conference.
"Because international human rights charters give every individual the
right to change his or her religion according to his or her
conscience, we hope and pray that this bill will not be passed," Mgr
Saldanha said.
Should the bill become law anyone who leaves Islam for another
religion can be sentenced to death (if male) or life in prison 'until
repentance occurs' (if female).
Section 4 of the bill says that the offender's own confession in court
or the testimony by at least two adults is sufficient grounds for
conviction in apostasy cases. Testimony by non Muslims is not however
admissible in certain Pakistani courts.
Section 5 stipulates that the 'offender' must be granted 3 to 30 days
to recant the conversion and return to Islam. But even in cases where
the person returns to Islam judges can impose two-year sentences as
punishment for the original 'crime'. The accused can convert and
reconvert up to three times before the death sentence becomes
automatic.
Under Section 8 apostates forfeit all their properties which are
awarded only to their Muslim relatives. Section 9 says that they also
lose custody to any minor in their care and guardianship, including
their biological children.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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10 May 2007 11:48:56 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" wrote:
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
Some somebody tell me again why would should play nice with the ragheads and
why the world needs them?
- KODIAK
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| User: "Server 13" |
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10 May 2007 11:55:19 AM |
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"KODIAK°" <dufus@dufus.net> wrote in message
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"Captain Compassion" wrote:
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
Some somebody tell me again why would should play nice with the ragheads
and why the world needs them?
Because Pakistan is our ally in the War Of Terror.
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10 May 2007 01:37:44 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" wrote:
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
Some somebody tell me again why would should play nice with the ragheads
and why the world needs them?
Because Pakistan is our ally in the War Of Terror.
***** Pakistan. They've got Osama sitting in a 5 star hotel right now.
- KODIAK
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10 May 2007 02:32:59 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" wrote:
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
Some somebody tell me again why would should play nice with the ragheads
and why the world needs them?
Because Pakistan is our ally in the War Of Terror.
***** Pakistan.
Who did you think the article was about?
They've got Osama sitting in a 5 star hotel right now.
Don't tell me, tell Shrubbo the Clown. Tell him they've got nukes while
yer at it.
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10 May 2007 11:40:09 PM |
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KODIAK=B0 wrote:
"Server 13" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
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"KODIAK=B0" <dufus@dufus.net> wrote in message
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"Captain Compassion" wrote:
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
Some somebody tell me again why would should play nice with the raghea=
ds
and why the world needs them?
Because Pakistan is our ally in the War Of Terror.
***** Pakistan. They've got Osama sitting in a 5 star hotel right now.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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| User: "" |
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10 May 2007 11:38:46 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
=BB 05/09/2007 15:12
PAKISTAN
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
by Qaiser Felix
Pakistan's government sends draft bill tabled by six-party Islamic
alliance to standing committee for review. Under the bill's terms,
apostates would be sentenced to death or life in prison. Testimony by
two adults is the only independent evidence needed to determine or
demonstrate apostasy.
Gotta respect and support our justice system.
Lahore archbishop is praying the bill is never
adopted.
Islamabad (AsiaNews) - A draft bill adopted in first reading by
Pakistan's National Assembly is now before a standing committee.
Tabled by a six-party politico-religious alliance, the Muttahida
Majlis-i-Amal or MMA, the Apostasy Act 2006 which the government sent
to the committee would impose the death penalty on Muslim men and life
in prison on Muslim women in case they leave Islam. It would also
force them to forfeit their property and lose legal custody of
children.
We have separation of church and state.
During the same session, lawmakers rejected another draft bill moved
by minority MNA Bhandara which sought to amend the existing blasphemy
law.
"This situation is unfortunate and sad. We demand freedom of
conscious, religion and expression in Pakistan, and this bill is
contrary to the principle of freedom of choice", said Archbishop
Lawrence John Saldanha, head of National Commission for Justice and
Peace and chairman of the Pakistan Catholic Bishops' Conference.
"Because international human rights charters give every individual the
right to change his or her religion according to his or her
conscience, we hope and pray that this bill will not be passed," Mgr
Saldanha said.
Should the bill become law anyone who leaves Islam for another
religion can be sentenced to death (if male) or life in prison 'until
repentance occurs' (if female).
Section 4 of the bill says that the offender's own confession in court
or the testimony by at least two adults is sufficient grounds for
conviction in apostasy cases. Testimony by non Muslims is not however
admissible in certain Pakistani courts.
Section 5 stipulates that the 'offender' must be granted 3 to 30 days
to recant the conversion and return to Islam. But even in cases where
the person returns to Islam judges can impose two-year sentences as
punishment for the original 'crime'. The accused can convert and
reconvert up to three times before the death sentence becomes
automatic.
Under Section 8 apostates forfeit all their properties which are
awarded only to their Muslim relatives. Section 9 says that they also
lose custody to any minor in their care and guardianship, including
their biological children.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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11 May 2007 05:01:47 AM |
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On May 10, 10:56 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
=BB 05/09/2007 15:12
PAKISTAN
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
by Qaiser Felix
Pakistan's government sends draft bill tabled by six-party Islamic
alliance to standing committee for review. Under the bill's terms,
apostates would be sentenced to death or life in prison. Testimony by
two adults is the only independent evidence needed to determine or
demonstrate apostasy. Lahore archbishop is praying the bill is never
adopted.
Islamabad (AsiaNews) - A draft bill adopted in first reading by
Pakistan's National Assembly is now before a standing committee.
Tabled by a six-party politico-religious alliance, the Muttahida
Majlis-i-Amal or MMA, the Apostasy Act 2006 which the government sent
to the committee would impose the death penalty on Muslim men and life
in prison on Muslim women in case they leave Islam. It would also
force them to forfeit their property and lose legal custody of
children.
During the same session, lawmakers rejected another draft bill moved
by minority MNA Bhandara which sought to amend the existing blasphemy
law.
"This situation is unfortunate and sad. We demand freedom of
conscious, religion and expression in Pakistan, and this bill is
contrary to the principle of freedom of choice", said Archbishop
Lawrence John Saldanha, head of National Commission for Justice and
Peace and chairman of the Pakistan Catholic Bishops' Conference.
"Because international human rights charters give every individual the
right to change his or her religion according to his or her
conscience, we hope and pray that this bill will not be passed," Mgr
Saldanha said.
Should the bill become law anyone who leaves Islam for another
religion can be sentenced to death (if male) or life in prison 'until
repentance occurs' (if female).
Section 4 of the bill says that the offender's own confession in court
or the testimony by at least two adults is sufficient grounds for
conviction in apostasy cases. Testimony by non Muslims is not however
admissible in certain Pakistani courts.
Section 5 stipulates that the 'offender' must be granted 3 to 30 days
to recant the conversion and return to Islam. But even in cases where
the person returns to Islam judges can impose two-year sentences as
punishment for the original 'crime'. The accused can convert and
reconvert up to three times before the death sentence becomes
automatic.
Under Section 8 apostates forfeit all their properties which are
awarded only to their Muslim relatives. Section 9 says that they also
lose custody to any minor in their care and guardianship, including
their biological children.
The Koran states that there will be no compulsion in matters of
religion. So they aren't even paying attention to their own holy
book. Some fundamentalists they are.
Pakistan is nuts, they have The Bomb, and are very likely harboring
bin Laden. But that is OK because they are a US ally. Hummmpph.
But nuts though they are, Pakistan has had a female Prime Minister.
So I guess that makes them more liberal than the USA.
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