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"hummingbird" |
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08 Aug 2006 08:03:09 PM |
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New Christian Zionism in America |
aka: "Wake up America, your government's been hijacked by loons"
[amazing reading - these are the nutjobs some of our loons support]
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/new_christian_zionism
Washington, DC -- 8th August 2006
"Over the past months, the White House has convened a series of
off-the-record meetings about its policies in the Middle East with
leaders of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a newly formed
political organization that tells its members that supporting Israel's
expansionist policies is "a biblical imperative." CUFI's Washington
lobbyist, David Brog, told me that during the meetings, CUFI
representatives pressed White House officials to adopt a more
confrontational posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians
and give Israel a free hand as it ramped up its military conflict
with Hezbollah.
The White House instructed Brog not to reveal the names of
officials he met with, Brog said. [I wonder why? - hummingbird]
CUFI's advice to the Bush Administration reflects the Armageddon-based
foreign-policy views of its founder, John Hagee. Hagee is a
fire-and-brimstone preacher from San Antonio who commands the nearly
18,000-member Cornerstone Church and hosts a major TV ministry where
he explains to millions of viewers how the end times will unfold. He
is also the author of numerous bestselling pulp-prophecy books, like
his recent Jerusalem Countdown, in which he cites various unnamed
Israeli intelligence sources to claim that Iran is producing nuclear
"suitcase bombs." The only way to defeat the Iranian evildoers, he
says, is a full-scale military assault.
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote
this year in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America
must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel
with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing
national suicide."
Despite his penchant for extreme rhetoric, or perhaps because of it,
Hagee endeared himself to key members of the Israeli right. With the
help of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who once spoke at
a massive pro-Israel fundraiser at Cornerstone Church, Hagee has
raised at least $8.5 million for Israeli social work projects. And as
a result of Hagee's influence in the Lone Star State, reflected by his
enormous wealth--he reportedly rakes in more than $1 million a year
from his television ministry--and his close relationship with the
previously omnipotent and now disgraced former House majority leader
Tom DeLay, Washington's Republican leadership is just a phone call
away.
Hagee recently united America's largest Christian Zionist
congregations and some of the movement's most prominent
figures--including the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Gary Bauer and Rod Parsley,
an Ohio preacher instrumental in launching Republican Ken Blackwell's
gubernatorial campaign--under the banner of CUFI, creating the first
and only nationwide evangelical political organization dedicated to
supporting Israel. Hagee says he would like to see CUFI become "the
Christian version of AIPAC," referring to the vaunted pro-Israel group
rated second only to the National Rifle Association as the most
effective lobby in Washington.
But while Hagee is the public face of CUFI, he remains tethered to
his ministry in the Texas plains, far from the wheeling and dealing of
inside-the-Beltway culture. To advance his agenda on the Hill, Hagee
has tapped David Brog, a seasoned and articulate lawyer who has been
Republican Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter's chief
of staff, and who boasts myriad connections in Republican Washington.
Besides Brog's political acumen, there was another characteristic
Hagee found appealing: He is Jewish.
"I think while there are some differences between us as far as our
religious views," Brog told me about Hagee, "what matters more, and
what is of much deeper significance, is everything that we share.
We share a love for Israel and a love for America. And we share an
understanding of the war on radical Islamic terror, and that makes
us brothers."
As Hagee's political point man, Brog has instantly emerged as an
important operative on the Christian right and an effective advocate
shielding the movement from institutional Jewish criticism whenever an
evangelical leader makes a gaffe. After a series of wildly impolitic
remarks by Pat Robertson, including the suggestion that Israeli Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon's descent into a comatose state was God's
punishment for the Gaza withdrawal, Brog used an interview with the
conservative National Review to defend Robertson as "a good man."
When Anti-Defamation League president Abraham Foxman lambasted the
Christian right as a dire threat to America's Jewish community, Brog
scolded Foxman in a lengthy Wall Street Journal op-ed. "There are very
serious threats facing American Jews today, and they have nothing to
do with social conservatives," he wrote.
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| Title: Re: New Christian Zionism in America |
08 Aug 2006 09:11:31 PM |
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hummingbird wrote:
aka: "Wake up America, your government's been hijacked by loons"
[amazing reading - these are the nutjobs some of our loons support]
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/new_christian_zionism
Washington, DC -- 8th August 2006
"Over the past months, the White House has convened a series of
off-the-record meetings about its policies in the Middle East with
leaders of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a newly formed
political organization that tells its members that supporting Israel's
expansionist policies is "a biblical imperative." CUFI's Washington
lobbyist, David Brog, told me that during the meetings, CUFI
representatives pressed White House officials to adopt a more
confrontational posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians
and give Israel a free hand as it ramped up its military conflict
with Hezbollah.
The White House instructed Brog not to reveal the names of
officials he met with, Brog said. [I wonder why? - hummingbird]
CUFI's advice to the Bush Administration reflects the Armageddon-based
foreign-policy views of its founder, John Hagee. Hagee is a
fire-and-brimstone preacher from San Antonio who commands the nearly
18,000-member Cornerstone Church and hosts a major TV ministry where
he explains to millions of viewers how the end times will unfold. He
is also the author of numerous bestselling pulp-prophecy books, like
his recent Jerusalem Countdown, in which he cites various unnamed
Israeli intelligence sources to claim that Iran is producing nuclear
"suitcase bombs." The only way to defeat the Iranian evildoers, he
says, is a full-scale military assault.
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote
this year in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America
must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel
with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing
national suicide."
Despite his penchant for extreme rhetoric, or perhaps because of it,
Hagee endeared himself to key members of the Israeli right. With the
help of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who once spoke at
a massive pro-Israel fundraiser at Cornerstone Church, Hagee has
raised at least $8.5 million for Israeli social work projects. And as
a result of Hagee's influence in the Lone Star State, reflected by his
enormous wealth--he reportedly rakes in more than $1 million a year
from his television ministry--and his close relationship with the
previously omnipotent and now disgraced former House majority leader
Tom DeLay, Washington's Republican leadership is just a phone call
away.
Hagee recently united America's largest Christian Zionist
congregations and some of the movement's most prominent
figures--including the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Gary Bauer and Rod Parsley,
an Ohio preacher instrumental in launching Republican Ken Blackwell's
gubernatorial campaign--under the banner of CUFI, creating the first
and only nationwide evangelical political organization dedicated to
supporting Israel. Hagee says he would like to see CUFI become "the
Christian version of AIPAC," referring to the vaunted pro-Israel group
rated second only to the National Rifle Association as the most
effective lobby in Washington.
But while Hagee is the public face of CUFI, he remains tethered to
his ministry in the Texas plains, far from the wheeling and dealing of
inside-the-Beltway culture. To advance his agenda on the Hill, Hagee
has tapped David Brog, a seasoned and articulate lawyer who has been
Republican Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter's chief
of staff, and who boasts myriad connections in Republican Washington.
Besides Brog's political acumen, there was another characteristic
Hagee found appealing: He is Jewish.
"I think while there are some differences between us as far as our
religious views," Brog told me about Hagee, "what matters more, and
what is of much deeper significance, is everything that we share.
We share a love for Israel and a love for America. And we share an
understanding of the war on radical Islamic terror, and that makes
us brothers."
As Hagee's political point man, Brog has instantly emerged as an
important operative on the Christian right and an effective advocate
shielding the movement from institutional Jewish criticism whenever an
evangelical leader makes a gaffe. After a series of wildly impolitic
remarks by Pat Robertson, including the suggestion that Israeli Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon's descent into a comatose state was God's
punishment for the Gaza withdrawal, Brog used an interview with the
conservative National Review to defend Robertson as "a good man."
When Anti-Defamation League president Abraham Foxman lambasted the
Christian right as a dire threat to America's Jewish community, Brog
scolded Foxman in a lengthy Wall Street Journal op-ed. "There are very
serious threats facing American Jews today, and they have nothing to
do with social conservatives," he wrote.
They should be. Since the only thing that is true about
the Bible, either New or Old Testement is that loons attract
goons.
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| User: "Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: New Christian Zionism in America |
08 Aug 2006 10:33:30 PM |
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wrote:
hummingbird wrote:
aka: "Wake up America, your government's been hijacked by loons"
[amazing reading - these are the nutjobs some of our loons support]
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/new_christian_zionism
Washington, DC -- 8th August 2006
"Over the past months, the White House has convened a series of
off-the-record meetings about its policies in the Middle East with
leaders of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a newly formed
political organization that tells its members that supporting Israel's
expansionist policies is "a biblical imperative." CUFI's Washington
lobbyist, David Brog, told me that during the meetings, CUFI
representatives pressed White House officials to adopt a more
confrontational posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians
and give Israel a free hand as it ramped up its military conflict
with Hezbollah.
The White House instructed Brog not to reveal the names of
officials he met with, Brog said. [I wonder why? - hummingbird]
CUFI's advice to the Bush Administration reflects the Armageddon-based
foreign-policy views of its founder, John Hagee. Hagee is a
fire-and-brimstone preacher from San Antonio who commands the nearly
18,000-member Cornerstone Church and hosts a major TV ministry where
he explains to millions of viewers how the end times will unfold. He
is also the author of numerous bestselling pulp-prophecy books, like
his recent Jerusalem Countdown, in which he cites various unnamed
Israeli intelligence sources to claim that Iran is producing nuclear
"suitcase bombs." The only way to defeat the Iranian evildoers, he
says, is a full-scale military assault.
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote
this year in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America
must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel
with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing
national suicide."
Despite his penchant for extreme rhetoric, or perhaps because of it,
Hagee endeared himself to key members of the Israeli right. With the
help of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who once spoke at
a massive pro-Israel fundraiser at Cornerstone Church, Hagee has
raised at least $8.5 million for Israeli social work projects. And as
a result of Hagee's influence in the Lone Star State, reflected by his
enormous wealth--he reportedly rakes in more than $1 million a year
from his television ministry--and his close relationship with the
previously omnipotent and now disgraced former House majority leader
Tom DeLay, Washington's Republican leadership is just a phone call
away.
Hagee recently united America's largest Christian Zionist
congregations and some of the movement's most prominent
figures--including the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Gary Bauer and Rod Parsley,
an Ohio preacher instrumental in launching Republican Ken Blackwell's
gubernatorial campaign--under the banner of CUFI, creating the first
and only nationwide evangelical political organization dedicated to
supporting Israel. Hagee says he would like to see CUFI become "the
Christian version of AIPAC," referring to the vaunted pro-Israel group
rated second only to the National Rifle Association as the most
effective lobby in Washington.
But while Hagee is the public face of CUFI, he remains tethered to
his ministry in the Texas plains, far from the wheeling and dealing of
inside-the-Beltway culture. To advance his agenda on the Hill, Hagee
has tapped David Brog, a seasoned and articulate lawyer who has been
Republican Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter's chief
of staff, and who boasts myriad connections in Republican Washington.
Besides Brog's political acumen, there was another characteristic
Hagee found appealing: He is Jewish.
"I think while there are some differences between us as far as our
religious views," Brog told me about Hagee, "what matters more, and
what is of much deeper significance, is everything that we share.
We share a love for Israel and a love for America. And we share an
understanding of the war on radical Islamic terror, and that makes
us brothers."
As Hagee's political point man, Brog has instantly emerged as an
important operative on the Christian right and an effective advocate
shielding the movement from institutional Jewish criticism whenever an
evangelical leader makes a gaffe. After a series of wildly impolitic
remarks by Pat Robertson, including the suggestion that Israeli Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon's descent into a comatose state was God's
punishment for the Gaza withdrawal, Brog used an interview with the
conservative National Review to defend Robertson as "a good man."
When Anti-Defamation League president Abraham Foxman lambasted the
Christian right as a dire threat to America's Jewish community, Brog
scolded Foxman in a lengthy Wall Street Journal op-ed. "There are very
serious threats facing American Jews today, and they have nothing to
do with social conservatives," he wrote.
They should be. Since the only thing that is true about
the Bible, either New or Old Testement is that loons attract
goons.
Sad but true about the Bible, an engine of terror.
RE: "There are very serious threats facing American Jews today, and
they have nothing to do with social conservatives,"
Perhaps, but only because the Christian community would very much like
to rid thmselves of the Old Testament with all of its horriffic tales.
They don't want their frightened followers reading about G-d's
destructive instructions to his Jewish tribes. They would prefer that
it all began with Jesus and the New Testament, a kinder, genteler
version of the world of miracles, where a leader can turn water into
wine and walk across a pond of water, or even bring the dead back to
life.
Who wants their flock reading such things as:
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death
with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient,
their enemies will "fall before your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you
of your children."
LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will
cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and
fathers and friends.
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty.
Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown
"no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword
all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for
yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to
take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife,
he can simply let her go.
More ?
SEE:
http://www.geocities.com/closetatheist/dmatrocities.htm
HOWEVER:
Allegedly:
Christians support Israel out of a sense of spiritual debt to the
Jews, noting that the majority of the Bible was written in Hebrew
and ordained by God to the Jews. It is through this original
covenant between God and His "chosen people," that gentiles
are able to come to God. Paul speaks of this spiritual debt and
instructs us to assist the Jews (Romans 15: 27).
"They were pleased to do this, and indeed they owe it to them;
for if the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual
blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in
material things."
The REAL reason:
Because the Christians really don't have a choice. We must
not forget that there would be no Christian religion if it were
not for the Jews. Remember the Jewish promise of a second
coming of a messiah? The Christian conservatives believe that
Jesus is that promised messiah.
Christians MUST quote the Old Testament since that is where the
whole idea of a Jesus came from in the first place. Remember the
promise?
I have often wondered why the Christians are so willing to approve
and defend the Zionist colonization of Palestine when, at the same
time, they complain that the Jews killed their leader? Could it be
that, for Christianity the Jewish prophesy of the second coming of a
messiah is necessary for the Christ of the New Testament to be real?
It doesn't matter that the Jews do not accept Jesus as their
messiah; the Christians are stuck with the second coming tale and the
rest of the Old Testament with its violence, snakes, gardens,
sea-splitting
and the rest of the deal - warts and all.
Christians have been trying for years to eliminate the OT and the
insane and viscious deeds committed in the Jewish book, but they
can't. Without the "Promise" of a second coming and their argument
that Jesus Christ is the promised product itself, they are stuck with
it.
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Christianns confirmed it at
the Council of Nicea.
The First Council of Nicaea, convoked by the Roman Emperor
Constantine I in 325, was the first ecumenical conference of
bishops of the Christian Church.
The purpose of the council (also called a synod) was to resolve
disagreements in the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in
relationship to the Father; in particular, whether Jesus was of the
same or of similar substance as God the Father. This is where Jesus
became divine. Until then he was just another unemployed Jew with a
political message. Just another man.
"Jesus Christ - Just a man just as a painter must needs paint him as a
man We shall tell what we have believed about Jesus of Nazareth,
but him we shall treat as being what he appeared to be, a man...
"Almost our only resources of information about the personality of
Jesus are derived from the four Gospels, all of which were certainly
in
existence a few decades after his death, and from allusions to
his life in the letters (epistles) of the early Christian
propagandists.
The first three Gospels, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and
Luke, many suppose to be derived from some earlier documents;
the Gospel of St.John has more idiosyncracy and is couloured
by theology of a strongly Hellenic type. Critics are disposed to
regard the Gospel of St. Mark as being the most trustworthy
account of the personality and actual words of Jesus. but all
four agree in giving us a picture of a very definite personality;
they carry the same conviction of reality that the early
accounts of Buddha do. In spite of miraculous and incredible
additions, one must be obliged to say, "Here Is a Man. This
part of the tale could not have been invented."
--- H.G.Wells
Outline of History
This is not to say that the teachings of Jesus is all a waste of time.
He was obviously a liberal with some very good advise. He is among
other greats, like Ghandi and Buddah, that we should listen to.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/
Let us prey
Raymond
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| Title: Re: New Christian Zionism in America |
09 Aug 2006 02:34:37 PM |
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"Raymond" <Bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155094410.852319.4780@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty.
Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
Good point Raymond!
Although the War-for-Profit Gang tries to instigate hate for Muslims
by hyping that they want to die for virgins,
as can be seen from the Jew's Torah,
it is the Jewish religion that glorifies
destroying infrastructure,
killing the males,
killing the non-virgins.
keeping the virgins,
and sacrificing some of them.
(Probably the ugly ones.)
I don't think any other religion in the world
glorifies these kinds of evil actions.
Excerpt from the Jewish Torah (Numbers).
=============================
04:031:009 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian
captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all
their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
04:031:010 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all
their goodly castles, with fire.
04:031:011 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men
and
of beasts.
04:031:012 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil,
unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the
congregation
of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of
Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
04:031:013 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of
the
congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
04:031:014 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the
captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which
came from the battle.
04:031:015 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
04:031:016 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the
counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in
the
matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the
congregation
of the LORD.
04:031:017 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and
kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
04:031:018 But all the women children, that have not known a man by
lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
As can be seen,
Moses, the founder of the Jewish religion
destroyed the infrastructure of his neighbors,
killed all of the males, including the male children,
killed all of the non-virgins,
sacrificed 32 of the non-virgins to his God,
and had his followers rape the remaining virgins.
No wonder Jews are so obsessed with having sex with virgins,
and why they produce most of the pornography in the world.
And it is interesting to see that the Jews are still doing the same
evil
things,
over two thousand years later to Palestine and Lebanon.
Although Bush is controlled by Jews,
and has appointed a Jew to head the World Bank,
and another to be in charge of America's federal police force
(Homeland Security) and is considering to appoint another
(Leiberman) to be in charge of America's military,
I dare say that Jews will not be able to take over America,
as they did Russia, where they killed millions of native Russians,
because Americans citizens are well armed, and I don't believe that
American Blacks, Latinos and Rednecks would obey some Jew's
order to kill his brother.
--
Tom Potter
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