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User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 20 Aug 2004 10:54:20 PM
Object: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry

From The Nation, 8/20/04:
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692

New Evidence Undermines Swift Vets' Attack on Kerry
By David Corn
On March 13, 1969, in the Bay Hap River, did Lieut. John Kerry,
captain of Swift boat PCF-94, defy enemy fire and heroically save the
life of First Lieut. Jim Rassmann, who had been blown off Kerry's boat
into the water by a mine explosion?
Or did Kerry, during this mission involving five Swift boats, merely
help a comrade return to his boat at a time of relative calm?
A band of anti-Kerry veterans funded by Republican donors--who call
themselves Swift Boat Veterans for Truth--have claimed that there was
no enemy fire when Kerry pulled Rassmann into his boat and that Kerry
did not deserve the Bronze Star he won for this incident.
Although the citation for Kerry's Bronze Star notes he rescued
Rassmann in the face of sniper fire and Kerry, Rassmann and PCF-94
crew members all say Rassmann was under fire when Kerry pulled him
aboard, the anti-Kerry vets insist that was not how it happened, that
there was no enemy fire.
Their campaign against Kerry took a hit yesterday when The Washington
Post disclosed that the military records of Larry Thurlow--a leader of
the anti-Kerry outfit who also won a Bronze Star for actions taken
during this engagement--contradict Thurlow's claim that there was no
enemy fire at the time.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html)
Military records obtained by The Nation provide more evidence that
there was enemy fire during this episode.
Three Navy men won Bronze Stars for their actions that day: Kerry,
Thurlow, and radarman first class Robert Eugene Lambert, a petty
officer in the boat captained by Thurlow.
The citation for Lambert's Bronze Star--previously undisclosed but
obtained today under the Freedom of Information Act from the National
Personnel Records Center in St. Louis--repeats the description of the
incident included in the citation for Thurlow's Bronze Star: "all
units came under small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river
banks."
Lambert's citation also notes that Lambert--who assumed command of
PCF-51 after Thurlow went to assist another Swift boat damaged by a
mine--"directed accurate suppressing fire at the enemy."
The citation praises Lambert's "coolness, professionalism and courage
under fire."
In an affidavit Thurlow signed last month, he said "no return fire
occurred....I never heard a shot."
He said to the Post, "I am here to state that we weren't under fire."
But the individual citations for Thurlow, Kerry and Lambert each refer
to enemy fire.
And the Lambert citation also suggests there was a need for his boat
to engage in "suppressing fire."
Asked about the discrepancy between his own account and his citation,
Thurlow, who was the senior skipper in the flotilla involved in this
engagement, said that Kerry was often able to present his own
(presumably self-serving) descriptions of events to superiors.
But neither Thurlow nor the Swift Boat group has substantiated this
claim.
And did Kerry rig not only his own award recommendation but those of
Thurlow and Lambert?
In the award recommendation for Thurlow's Bronze Star, Lambert--not
Kerry--is listed as the eyewitness.
(And Del Sandusky, a crew mate of Kerry, was the eyewitness listed in
the award recommendation for Kerry. According to the National
Personnel Records Center, Lambert's file no longer contains the award
recommendation for his Bronze Star.)
Kerry has posted his award citation on his web site
(http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html), and
Thurlow's Bronze Star citation was posted by the Post
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html).
Lambert's citation describes what seems to have been a harrowing
situation.
It reads in full:
"For meritorious achievement while serving with Coastal Division
ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict against Viet Cong communist
aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam on 13 March 1969.
Inshore Patrol Craft [PCF] 51, with Petty Officer Lambert serving as
Leading Petty Officer, was conducting a SEA LORDS operation in the Bay
Hap river with four other boats. The boats were exiting the river when
a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft, inflicting heavy
damage to the boat and wounding the entire crew. At the same time, all
units came under small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river
banks. Inshore Patrol Craft 51 immediately proceeded to aid the
damaged Inshore Patrol Craft, where the Officer-in-Charge [Larry
Thurlow] leaped aboard to render assistance. Petty Officer LAMBERT
assumed command of Inshore Patrol Craft 51 and directed accurate
suppressing fire at the enemy. While administering first aid to the
crew of the damaged Inshore Patrol Craft, Inshore Patrol Craft 51's
Officer-in-Charge was knocked overboard. Petty Officer LAMBERT,
without hesitation, directed Inshore Patrol Craft 51 alongside his
Officer-in-Charge, where, from an exposed position and with complete
disregard for his personal safety, he pulled him aboard. Petty Officer
LAMBERT then returned his Officer-in-Charge to the aid of the damaged
Inshore Patrol Craft and remained in command of Inshore Patrol Craft
51 until all units cleared the river. Petty Officer LAMBERT's
coolness, professionalism and courage under fire significantly
contributed to the rescue of his Officer-in-Charge and the damaged
Inshore Patrol Craft and were in keeping with the highest traditions
of the United States Naval Service."
Lambert, a career Navy man who served on active duty from 1957 to
1978, could not be located.
But his records offer more support for Kerry's account (which, by the
way, is the official account).
And the credibility of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been
challenged on several fronts.
Jerome Corsi, the co-author of the book the group is promoting, Unfit
for Command, recently acknowledged that he has posted anti-Catholic,
anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic comments on a conservative website.
Others involved with the anti-Kerry outfit have flip-flopped and
altered their stories.
For instance, George Elliott, a leading member of the group who was
the commander who signed the recommendation for Kerry's Bronze Star,
campaigned with Kerry in 1996, defending him after questions were
raised about Kerry's Silver Star.
(Kerry received this medal for chasing down and killing an enemy
soldier on February 28, 1969.)
And in 1969, Elliot wrote Kerry's fitness report and noted, "In a
combat environment often requiring independent decisive action, Lt.
j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed."
Now he says Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam.
And today the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth unveiled a new ad that
assailed Kerry for having criticized the conduct of American soldiers
in Vietnam.
The ad claims Kerry, during his famous testimony before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, accused his fellow soldiers of having
committed atrocities.
But Kerry, then a leader of the movement against the Vietnam War, was
reporting what other soldiers had said they had done.
(Today the Kerry campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Election
Commission accusing the group of illegally coordinating with the Bush
campaign.)
The latest volley from the Swift Vets shows what motivates these
anti-Kerry veterans.
They remain mad at him for opposing the war and addressing its worst
aspects.
As for what happened on March 13, 1969, the issue is whether to accept
the accounts of veterans who are angry with Kerry or the documentary
evidence that is seconded by Rassmann, a Republican, and Kerry's crew
mates.
Lambert's citation offers more reason to wonder about the Swift Boat
group's version of events and to question its dedication to the truth.
______________________________________________________________
Harry
.

User: "Big Al"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 20 Aug 2004 11:42:27 PM
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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From The Nation, 8/20/04:
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692

Outstanding piece of corraborating evidence that the Navy and Kerry's
crewmates account of what happened and the Swift Liars are full of *****. Why
would Robert Lambert receive a Bronze Star for "suppressing enemy fire" for
the same incident if no one was shooting? This is backfiring on the Deserter
Coward in Chief bigtime.

New Evidence Undermines Swift Vets' Attack on Kerry

By David Corn


On March 13, 1969, in the Bay Hap River, did Lieut. John Kerry,
captain of Swift boat PCF-94, defy enemy fire and heroically save the
life of First Lieut. Jim Rassmann, who had been blown off Kerry's boat
into the water by a mine explosion?

Or did Kerry, during this mission involving five Swift boats, merely
help a comrade return to his boat at a time of relative calm?

A band of anti-Kerry veterans funded by Republican donors--who call
themselves Swift Boat Veterans for Truth--have claimed that there was
no enemy fire when Kerry pulled Rassmann into his boat and that Kerry
did not deserve the Bronze Star he won for this incident.

Although the citation for Kerry's Bronze Star notes he rescued
Rassmann in the face of sniper fire and Kerry, Rassmann and PCF-94
crew members all say Rassmann was under fire when Kerry pulled him
aboard, the anti-Kerry vets insist that was not how it happened, that
there was no enemy fire.

Their campaign against Kerry took a hit yesterday when The Washington
Post disclosed that the military records of Larry Thurlow--a leader of
the anti-Kerry outfit who also won a Bronze Star for actions taken
during this engagement--contradict Thurlow's claim that there was no
enemy fire at the time.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html)

Military records obtained by The Nation provide more evidence that
there was enemy fire during this episode.

Three Navy men won Bronze Stars for their actions that day: Kerry,
Thurlow, and radarman first class Robert Eugene Lambert, a petty
officer in the boat captained by Thurlow.

The citation for Lambert's Bronze Star--previously undisclosed but
obtained today under the Freedom of Information Act from the National
Personnel Records Center in St. Louis--repeats the description of the
incident included in the citation for Thurlow's Bronze Star: "all
units came under small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river
banks."

Lambert's citation also notes that Lambert--who assumed command of
PCF-51 after Thurlow went to assist another Swift boat damaged by a
mine--"directed accurate suppressing fire at the enemy."

The citation praises Lambert's "coolness, professionalism and courage
under fire."

In an affidavit Thurlow signed last month, he said "no return fire
occurred....I never heard a shot."

He said to the Post, "I am here to state that we weren't under fire."

But the individual citations for Thurlow, Kerry and Lambert each refer
to enemy fire.

And the Lambert citation also suggests there was a need for his boat
to engage in "suppressing fire."

Asked about the discrepancy between his own account and his citation,
Thurlow, who was the senior skipper in the flotilla involved in this
engagement, said that Kerry was often able to present his own
(presumably self-serving) descriptions of events to superiors.

But neither Thurlow nor the Swift Boat group has substantiated this
claim.

And did Kerry rig not only his own award recommendation but those of
Thurlow and Lambert?

In the award recommendation for Thurlow's Bronze Star, Lambert--not
Kerry--is listed as the eyewitness.

(And Del Sandusky, a crew mate of Kerry, was the eyewitness listed in
the award recommendation for Kerry. According to the National
Personnel Records Center, Lambert's file no longer contains the award
recommendation for his Bronze Star.)

Kerry has posted his award citation on his web site
(http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html), and
Thurlow's Bronze Star citation was posted by the Post
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html).

Lambert's citation describes what seems to have been a harrowing
situation.

It reads in full:

"For meritorious achievement while serving with Coastal Division
ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict against Viet Cong communist
aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam on 13 March 1969.
Inshore Patrol Craft [PCF] 51, with Petty Officer Lambert serving as
Leading Petty Officer, was conducting a SEA LORDS operation in the Bay
Hap river with four other boats. The boats were exiting the river when
a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft, inflicting heavy
damage to the boat and wounding the entire crew. At the same time, all
units came under small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river
banks. Inshore Patrol Craft 51 immediately proceeded to aid the
damaged Inshore Patrol Craft, where the Officer-in-Charge [Larry
Thurlow] leaped aboard to render assistance. Petty Officer LAMBERT
assumed command of Inshore Patrol Craft 51 and directed accurate
suppressing fire at the enemy. While administering first aid to the
crew of the damaged Inshore Patrol Craft, Inshore Patrol Craft 51's
Officer-in-Charge was knocked overboard. Petty Officer LAMBERT,
without hesitation, directed Inshore Patrol Craft 51 alongside his
Officer-in-Charge, where, from an exposed position and with complete
disregard for his personal safety, he pulled him aboard. Petty Officer
LAMBERT then returned his Officer-in-Charge to the aid of the damaged
Inshore Patrol Craft and remained in command of Inshore Patrol Craft
51 until all units cleared the river. Petty Officer LAMBERT's
coolness, professionalism and courage under fire significantly
contributed to the rescue of his Officer-in-Charge and the damaged
Inshore Patrol Craft and were in keeping with the highest traditions
of the United States Naval Service."

Lambert, a career Navy man who served on active duty from 1957 to
1978, could not be located.

But his records offer more support for Kerry's account (which, by the
way, is the official account).

And the credibility of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been
challenged on several fronts.

Jerome Corsi, the co-author of the book the group is promoting, Unfit
for Command, recently acknowledged that he has posted anti-Catholic,
anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic comments on a conservative website.

Others involved with the anti-Kerry outfit have flip-flopped and
altered their stories.

For instance, George Elliott, a leading member of the group who was
the commander who signed the recommendation for Kerry's Bronze Star,
campaigned with Kerry in 1996, defending him after questions were
raised about Kerry's Silver Star.

(Kerry received this medal for chasing down and killing an enemy
soldier on February 28, 1969.)

And in 1969, Elliot wrote Kerry's fitness report and noted, "In a
combat environment often requiring independent decisive action, Lt.
j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed."

Now he says Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam.

And today the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth unveiled a new ad that
assailed Kerry for having criticized the conduct of American soldiers
in Vietnam.

The ad claims Kerry, during his famous testimony before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, accused his fellow soldiers of having
committed atrocities.

But Kerry, then a leader of the movement against the Vietnam War, was
reporting what other soldiers had said they had done.

(Today the Kerry campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Election
Commission accusing the group of illegally coordinating with the Bush
campaign.)

The latest volley from the Swift Vets shows what motivates these
anti-Kerry veterans.

They remain mad at him for opposing the war and addressing its worst
aspects.

As for what happened on March 13, 1969, the issue is whether to accept
the accounts of veterans who are angry with Kerry or the documentary
evidence that is seconded by Rassmann, a Republican, and Kerry's crew
mates.

Lambert's citation offers more reason to wonder about the Swift Boat
group's version of events and to question its dedication to the truth.

______________________________________________________________

Harry

.
User: "Bill Levinson"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 21 Aug 2004 09:41:33 AM
Big Al wrote:

"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:qqhdi09j2nb2tmb7hruaqqd4pjnq4dchn8@4ax.com...

From The Nation, 8/20/04:
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692



Outstanding piece of corraborating evidence that the Navy and Kerry's
crewmates account of what happened and the Swift Liars are full of *****. Why
would Robert Lambert receive a Bronze Star for "suppressing enemy fire" for
the same incident if no one was shooting? This is backfiring on the Deserter
Coward in Chief bigtime.

The newest SwiftVets' ad seems to use Kerry's own war crime confessions.
Hard to argue with that. http://www.stentorian.com/politics/warcrim.html
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets
.
User: "Big Al"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 21 Aug 2004 11:04:03 AM
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:xaJVc.31046$nx2.10025@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...



Big Al wrote:

"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:qqhdi09j2nb2tmb7hruaqqd4pjnq4dchn8@4ax.com...

From The Nation, 8/20/04:
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692



Outstanding piece of corraborating evidence that the Navy and Kerry's
crewmates account of what happened and the Swift Liars are full of *****.

Why

would Robert Lambert receive a Bronze Star for "suppressing enemy fire"

for

the same incident if no one was shooting? This is backfiring on the

Deserter

Coward in Chief bigtime.


The newest SwiftVets' ad seems to use Kerry's own war crime confessions.
Hard to argue with that. http://www.stentorian.com/politics/warcrim.html

Bill, if the vets had kept their criticism to Kerry's activities opposing
the war, that would be one thing. While I agree that Kerry was right in
opposing the war, I can see how some of the soldiers who fought over there
and supported the war could feel betrayed by his anti-war activities (my
brother fought with the 173rd Airborne and came home against the war so
there were plenty of anti-war vets too). Had they kept their criticism on
that subject, they could have even done some real damage to Kerry's
campaign. Instead, they fabricated a bunch of lies about Kerry's service and
now all kinds of accounts are emerging that supports Kerry's record of
service and makes the Swift Boat people look like a bunch of lying assholes.

--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets

.
User: "InsuranceBroker"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 21 Aug 2004 11:19:15 AM

Subject: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry
From: "Big Al" bigald1@sbcglobal.net.spamsucks
Date: 8/21/2004 12:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <TnKVc.1278$Rp6.578@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Bill, if the vets had kept their criticism to Kerry's activities opposing
the war, that would be one thing. While I agree that Kerry was right in
opposing the war, I can see how some of the soldiers who fought over there
and supported the war could feel betrayed by his anti-war activities

That is *****. I was in Vietnam and the only thing that 99.99 percent
wanted was out of the military. I know of no one that support the war. There
was not one guy un my unit from the captain to the lowest private that did not
hate the war.
The swift boat gang is playing a game by crying but the veterans who came home
and stopped the war were heros.

(my
brother fought with the 173rd Airborne and came home against the war so
there were plenty of anti-war vets too

Myself and 4 brothers all came home and hated the war. We were poor white
instead of texas royality so we had to go to war.

Instead, they fabricated a bunch of lies about Kerry's service

The also have done a real job of editing what he actually stated. What Kerry
stated was honorable and correct. If you believe the swift boat guys then
someone would have been incorrect to complain about gassing jews in WWII. They
also would spit on anyone who spilled the beans on the abuses in Iraq. They
are basically whores and nothing more.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
.

User: "Bill Levinson"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 21 Aug 2004 01:47:03 PM
Big Al wrote:

"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:xaJVc.31046$nx2.10025@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...


Big Al wrote:


"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:qqhdi09j2nb2tmb7hruaqqd4pjnq4dchn8@4ax.com...

From The Nation, 8/20/04:


http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1692



Outstanding piece of corraborating evidence that the Navy and Kerry's
crewmates account of what happened and the Swift Liars are full of *****.


Why

would Robert Lambert receive a Bronze Star for "suppressing enemy fire"


for

the same incident if no one was shooting? This is backfiring on the


Deserter

Coward in Chief bigtime.


The newest SwiftVets' ad seems to use Kerry's own war crime confessions.
Hard to argue with that. http://www.stentorian.com/politics/warcrim.html



Bill, if the vets had kept their criticism to Kerry's activities opposing
the war, that would be one thing. While I agree that Kerry was right in
opposing the war, I can see how some of the soldiers who fought over there
and supported the war could feel betrayed by his anti-war activities (my
brother fought with the 173rd Airborne and came home against the war so
there were plenty of anti-war vets too). Had they kept their criticism on
that subject, they could have even done some real damage to Kerry's
campaign. Instead, they fabricated a bunch of lies about Kerry's service and
now all kinds of accounts are emerging that supports Kerry's record of
service and makes the Swift Boat people look like a bunch of lying assholes.

My own inclination is against arguing over whether Kerry deserved his
medals. First, saying he didn't deserve them also reflects on the
officers who recommended him for them. Second, he was definitely close
enough to the enemy to get the Purple Hearts.
What he cannot argue, though, is:
(1) He threw his medals back in his country's face so he is no longer
entitled to claim them.
(2) As you point out, many veterans feel betrayed (and I think rightly
so) by what he did when he came home. The new SwiftVets ad points out
that Kerry said freely (confessions to war crimes) what many POWs
endured torture to avoid giving the enemy.
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets
.
User: "InsuranceBroker"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 21 Aug 2004 01:55:15 PM

Subject: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry
From: Bill Levinson


Date: 8/21/2004 2:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:
(2) As you point out, many veterans feel betrayed (and I think rightly
so) by what he did when he came home. The new SwiftVets ad points out
that Kerry said freely (confessions to war crimes) what many POWs
endured torture to avoid giving the
enemy

CNN played exactly what kerry staed and then cnn played the edited swift boat
information. What the swift boat did was doctor the information in an
inflamation method. It was not what kerry stated. What kerry stated was
correct and if he had heard about war crimes then he was correct to tell about
them to an official inquiry board. I guess you feel that someone would be
wrong to method that the army is gassing jews. That guy would be a traitor to
the you and the swift boat guys.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
.



User: "John Kerry, Horses Ass"

Title: Re: New Swiftboat Ad Evidence Undermines Kerry Even Further 21 Aug 2004 10:55:54 AM
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:xaJVc.31046$nx2.10025@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...

Outstanding piece of corraborating evidence that the Navy and Kerry's
crewmates account of what happened and the Swift Liars are full of *****.

Why

would Robert Lambert receive a Bronze Star for "suppressing enemy fire"

for

the same incident if no one was shooting? This is backfiring on the

Deserter

Coward in Chief bigtime.


The newest SwiftVets' ad seems to use Kerry's own war crime confessions.
Hard to argue with that. http://www.stentorian.com/politics/warcrim.html

--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets

Kerry has now given himself another self-inflicted wound.
.

User: "InsuranceBroker"

Title: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry 21 Aug 2004 11:15:06 AM

Subject: Re: New Evidence Undermines Stink Boat Vets' Attack on Kerry
From: Bill Levinson


Date: 8/21/2004 10:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:
The newest SwiftVets' ad seems to use Kerry's own war crime confessions.

Actually they did a complete butcher of what he really stated. CNN at least is
playing the ad and then what Kerry actually stated. If more stations do that
then the group of liars in the swift boat will be identified for the fraud that
they clearly are.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
.




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