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"Kingdom of North Dumpling" |
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11 Jan 2007 05:28:17 PM |
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New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
New approach features 'gated communities'
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/LOCAL17/701110465/-1/ZONES04
WASHINGTON -- The military's new strategy for Iraq envisions
creating so-called "gated communities" in Baghdad -- sealing
off discrete areas and forcibly removing insurgents, then
working to create jobs for residents and stationing American
units in the neighborhood to keep the peace.
The United States previously has found it nearly impossible to
secure the sprawling city. But by focusing an increased number
of troops in selected neighborhoods, the military hopes it can create
islands of security segregated from the chaos.
The gated-communities plan has been tried -- with mixed success --
in other wars. In Vietnam, they were called "strategic hamlets"
and were a failure.
But counterinsurgency experts say that such security zones
can work if, once the barriers are established, the military
follows up with sweeps designed to flush out insurgents and
militia fighters.
The strategy, described in broad terms by current and former defense
officials, is an attempt to recreate the successes that military
units have had in smaller Iraqi cities, most notably Tall Afar.
For the past two years, the U.S. military has been focused primarily on
training Iraqi security forces. Under the new plan in Baghdad,
the primary mission of U.S. combat forces will be to protect Iraqis
living in the city.
Critics of the troop increase have said that the sheer size of Baghdad,
with its population of nearly 6 million people, makes it
impossible to replicate the Tall Afar strategy.
White House officials outlined a plan Wednesday to divide
Baghdad into nine districts and to station U.S. battalions
and Iraqi forces in each.
Moving units out of the super bases that surround Baghdad and
into urban neighborhoods is critical to making any gated-communities
plan work, defense officials said.
In Tall Afar, a town of 150,000 people, U.S. forces built a berm
around the city to control access, then swept through to rout
insurgents and al-Qaida members. The military then established
combat outposts throughout the city where small units of soldiers
could have a round-the-clock neighborhood presence.
Ideally, once a neighborhood is cleared, U.S. forces would
have to fight less. Advocates of the approach say that gated
communities will allow the U.S. and Iraqi militaries to ease
Iraqis' fears of being victims of sectarian violence.
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| User: "the_Host" |
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| Title: Re: New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
11 Jan 2007 07:42:16 PM |
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"Kingdom of North Dumpling" <bushcheney@micronations.net> wrote in message
news:12qdi0hnafm9e3e@corp.supernews.com...
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
New approach features 'gated communities'
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/LOCAL17/701110465/-1/ZONES04
WASHINGTON -- The military's new strategy for Iraq envisions
creating so-called "gated communities" in Baghdad -- sealing
off discrete areas and forcibly removing insurgents, then
working to create jobs for residents and stationing American
units in the neighborhood to keep the peace.
The United States previously has found it nearly impossible to
secure the sprawling city. But by focusing an increased number
of troops in selected neighborhoods, the military hopes it can create
islands of security segregated from the chaos.
The gated-communities plan has been tried -- with mixed success --
in other wars. In Vietnam, they were called "strategic hamlets"
and were a failure.
But counterinsurgency experts say that such security zones
can work if, once the barriers are established, the military
follows up with sweeps designed to flush out insurgents and
militia fighters.
The strategy, described in broad terms by current and former defense
officials, is an attempt to recreate the successes that military
units have had in smaller Iraqi cities, most notably Tall Afar.
For the past two years, the U.S. military has been focused primarily on
training Iraqi security forces. Under the new plan in Baghdad,
the primary mission of U.S. combat forces will be to protect Iraqis
living in the city.
Critics of the troop increase have said that the sheer size of Baghdad,
with its population of nearly 6 million people, makes it
impossible to replicate the Tall Afar strategy.
White House officials outlined a plan Wednesday to divide
Baghdad into nine districts and to station U.S. battalions
and Iraqi forces in each.
Moving units out of the super bases that surround Baghdad and
into urban neighborhoods is critical to making any gated-communities
plan work, defense officials said.
In Tall Afar, a town of 150,000 people, U.S. forces built a berm
around the city to control access, then swept through to rout
insurgents and al-Qaida members. The military then established
combat outposts throughout the city where small units of soldiers
could have a round-the-clock neighborhood presence.
Ideally, once a neighborhood is cleared, U.S. forces would
have to fight less. Advocates of the approach say that gated
communities will allow the U.S. and Iraqi militaries to ease
Iraqis' fears of being victims of sectarian violence.
Followed soon by home-owner associations, but only for the friends of Bush
and company of course...
H.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
11 Jan 2007 05:52:52 PM |
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In our last episode, <12qdi0hnafm9e3e@corp.supernews.com>, the lovely and
talented Kingdom of North Dumpling broadcast on alt.politics:
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
The gated-communities plan has been tried -- with mixed success --
in other wars. In Vietnam, they were called "strategic hamlets"
and were a failure.
Exactly. It is warmed-over Vietnam, folks.
Waist deep in big muddy and the big fool said to push on.
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| User: "lanman" |
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| Title: Re: New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
12 Jan 2007 12:28:43 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2007 23:52:52 GMT, Lars Eighner <usenet@larseighner.com>
wrote:
In our last episode, <12qdi0hnafm9e3e@corp.supernews.com>, the lovely and
talented Kingdom of North Dumpling broadcast on alt.politics:
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
The gated-communities plan has been tried -- with mixed success --
in other wars. In Vietnam, they were called "strategic hamlets"
and were a failure.
Exactly. It is warmed-over Vietnam, folks.
Not really.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
12 Jan 2007 12:42:19 AM |
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Kingdom of North Dumpling wrote:
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
New approach features 'gated communities'
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/LOCAL17/701110465/-1/ZONES04
It's probably going to end up like Kabul was during the soviet
occupation..
The capital city becoming an enclave armed against the rest of a
rebellious country..
Except that in Iraq they will also have to guard the oil wells and
pipelines.
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| User: "Scotius" |
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| Title: Re: New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
12 Jan 2007 12:35:49 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:28:17 -0000, Kingdom of North Dumpling
<bushcheney@micronations.net> wrote:
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
New approach features 'gated communities'
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/LOCAL17/701110465/-1/ZONES04
WASHINGTON -- The military's new strategy for Iraq envisions
creating so-called "gated communities" in Baghdad -- sealing
off discrete areas and forcibly removing insurgents, then
working to create jobs for residents and stationing American
units in the neighborhood to keep the peace.
The United States previously has found it nearly impossible to
secure the sprawling city. But by focusing an increased number
of troops in selected neighborhoods, the military hopes it can create
islands of security segregated from the chaos.
The gated-communities plan has been tried -- with mixed success --
in other wars. In Vietnam, they were called "strategic hamlets"
and were a failure.
But counterinsurgency experts say that such security zones
can work if, once the barriers are established, the military
follows up with sweeps designed to flush out insurgents and
militia fighters.
The strategy, described in broad terms by current and former defense
officials, is an attempt to recreate the successes that military
units have had in smaller Iraqi cities, most notably Tall Afar.
For the past two years, the U.S. military has been focused primarily on
training Iraqi security forces. Under the new plan in Baghdad,
the primary mission of U.S. combat forces will be to protect Iraqis
living in the city.
Critics of the troop increase have said that the sheer size of Baghdad,
with its population of nearly 6 million people, makes it
impossible to replicate the Tall Afar strategy.
White House officials outlined a plan Wednesday to divide
Baghdad into nine districts and to station U.S. battalions
and Iraqi forces in each.
Moving units out of the super bases that surround Baghdad and
into urban neighborhoods is critical to making any gated-communities
plan work, defense officials said.
In Tall Afar, a town of 150,000 people, U.S. forces built a berm
around the city to control access, then swept through to rout
insurgents and al-Qaida members. The military then established
combat outposts throughout the city where small units of soldiers
could have a round-the-clock neighborhood presence.
If the plan only worked there because they dug a trench around
the city of 150,000, and this city is 6 million and they can't do the
trench thing, how the f**k do they expect it to work?
This reminds me of the time I saw this show about how the East
Germans sent a military advisor to "help" the Red Chinese fight off
the KMT.
The KMT forces built blockhouses, but they had arillery. The
East German "expert" told the Maoists to build blockhouses, which they
did. Of course, when your enemy can defend his blockhouses with
artillery, and you can't do the same, you're kind of screwed.
Mao's forces were crude, but they weren't stupid, and it
wasn't long before the expert was fired. I wonder how long it will be
before Bush is fired?
Ideally, once a neighborhood is cleared, U.S. forces would
have to fight less. Advocates of the approach say that gated
communities will allow the U.S. and Iraqi militaries to ease
Iraqis' fears of being victims of sectarian violence.
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| User: "lanman" |
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| Title: Re: New Iraq Approach Features 'Gated Communities' |
12 Jan 2007 12:28:11 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:28:17 -0000, Kingdom of North Dumpling
<bushcheney@micronations.net> wrote:
The ultra-rich are worried. Need proof.
New approach features 'gated communities'
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/LOCAL17/701110465/-1/ZONES04
WASHINGTON -- The military's new strategy for Iraq envisions
creating so-called "gated communities" in Baghdad -- sealing
off discrete areas and forcibly removing insurgents....
And there's a large part of the problem. Insurgents should be killed,
not forcibly removed lest you have them killing you another day.
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