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"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" |
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10 Jul 2005 11:00:53 AM |
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New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/514.asp
New Jersey legislator proposes $250 ticket for smoking while driving.
Lighting up while driving would become a crime if legislation proposed
by New Jersey Assemblyman John McKeon (D-Essex) makes it into law.
Assembly bill 4306 would allow police to issue an extra $250 ticket to
a smoking motorist who is pulled over for a primary offense such as
speeding. The bill has the heavyweight support of the Assembly's
majority leader, Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen) and has been referred to
the Assembly's Transportation Committee for consideration.
McKeon, a foe of smoking, has also introduced a bill, A1281, that
would prohibit tobacco and alcohol advertising within 500 feet of a
school.
Legislation to curtail smoking in the Garden State has gained some
momentum. In March, a state Senate committee approved a bill by a 7-0
vote that would ban smoking in public places. A similar ban is in
effect in neighboring New York City. In England, police enforce a ban
on driving with a cell phone, water bottle and other "distractions"
with automated long-range cameras able to mail thousands of citations.
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 11:02:03 AM |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/514.asp
New Jersey legislator proposes $250 ticket for smoking while driving.
Lighting up while driving would become a crime if legislation proposed
by New Jersey Assemblyman John McKeon (D-Essex) makes it into law.
Assembly bill 4306 would allow police to issue an extra $250 ticket to
a smoking motorist who is pulled over for a primary offense such as
speeding. The bill has the heavyweight support of the Assembly's
majority leader, Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen) and has been referred to
the Assembly's Transportation Committee for consideration.
McKeon, a foe of smoking, has also introduced a bill, A1281, that
would prohibit tobacco and alcohol advertising within 500 feet of a
school.
Legislation to curtail smoking in the Garden State has gained some
momentum. In March, a state Senate committee approved a bill by a 7-0
vote that would ban smoking in public places. A similar ban is in
effect in neighboring New York City. In England, police enforce a ban
on driving with a cell phone, water bottle and other "distractions"
with automated long-range cameras able to mail thousands of citations.
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| User: "Clay" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 11:18:03 AM |
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George Grapman wrote:
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Please know that the nutcase "laura" has seriously considered this.
*sigh*
-C-
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 11:57:48 AM |
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"Clay" <clayonline@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1121012282.877374.131180@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
George Grapman wrote:
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Please know that the nutcase "laura" has seriously considered this.
*sigh*
Unlike Clay who can't consider anything since he only has two brain cells.
LOL
BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
ROFLMAO!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
-C-
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| User: "Clay" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 04:28:30 PM |
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Chance Hopkins jumps to the defense of "laura" <LOL>:
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"Clay" <clayonline@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1121012282.877374.131180@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
George Grapman wrote:
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Please know that the nutcase "laura" has seriously considered this.
*sigh*
Unlike Clay who can't consider anything since he only has two brain cells.
Chance, Chance, Chance... surely you could've done better than the
above.
LOL
BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
ROFLMAO!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jeez... you're not even close.
But you continue to be stupid.
-C-
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 01:16:10 PM |
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George Grapman wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Impractical. But the other bans are not.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 05:17:54 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
George Grapman wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Impractical. But the other bans are not.
How would you ban food from cars, put a bunch of cops outside grocery
stores ready to pull over housewives heading home with a bag of pork
cops and some broccoli?
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 09:28:35 PM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
George Grapman wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Impractical. But the other bans are not.
How would you ban food from cars, put a bunch of cops outside grocery
stores ready to pull over housewives heading home with a bag of pork
cops and some broccoli?
And a cop at every drive-thru.
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| User: "blazing laser none" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
11 Jul 2005 12:18:06 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:28:35 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@-XcitlinkX-.net>
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How would you ban food from cars, put a bunch of cops outside grocery
stores ready to pull over housewives heading home with a bag of pork
cops and some broccoli?
And a cop at every drive-thru.
If you banned eating in cars they'd close all the drive-thrus.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
11 Jul 2005 02:31:18 PM |
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blazing laser wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:28:35 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@-XcitlinkX-.net>
wrote:
How would you ban food from cars, put a bunch of cops outside grocery
stores ready to pull over housewives heading home with a bag of pork
cops and some broccoli?
And a cop at every drive-thru.
If you banned eating in cars they'd close all the drive-thrus.
If they closed all the drive thrus, Judy would have no chance at
getting a job if it decided not to be an Oprah watching welfare bum.
--
Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend (Xeton2001@yahoo.com)'s words of
wisdom, love, and respect (spelling and grammatical errors left intact)
the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. I get
RESPECT now.
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en
Fork the dictionary. You've got your definitions and we've got ours.
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/a74373e47d638020?hl=en
STFU YOU HATEFILLED TROLL.
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/4bafc59af1481a15?hl=en
Fork you, beyatch. I'm the greatest troll that ever lived!!!! I'm the
world's champ at infuriating all these pschopathic car loonies. HAHAHA
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/msg/8316b755126bd447
Being a troll is an honorable life.
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/c795f38d501be2d8?hl=en&
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
14 Jul 2005 10:52:45 AM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
George Grapman wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Impractical. But the other bans are not.
How would you ban food from cars, put a bunch of cops outside grocery
stores ready to pull over housewives heading home with a bag of pork
cops and some broccoli?
Ever hear of open bottle laws?
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| User: "Aunt Judy likes it in the rear" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
14 Jul 2005 06:57:12 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
George Grapman wrote:
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
I'm all for this. Driving with a burning stick in your hand endangers
everyone else on the highways. And ban radios and TVs and cell phones
and food from moving vehicles too. Distracted drivers are killers and
maimers.
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
Impractical. But the other bans are not.
How would you ban food from cars, put a bunch of cops outside grocery
stores ready to pull over housewives heading home with a bag of pork
cops and some broccoli?
Ever hear of open bottle laws?
Sure have; that's why I toss my empties out the car window when I'm
done with them.
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| User: "blazing laser none" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 11:56:06 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:02:03 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
I read about a study having to do with whether cellphone are
distractions. The findings were that it's the conversation that is the
distraction, not the driver holding the cellphone to his ear. It
showed that having a conversation with a passenger is equally
distracting! So you might have something there. Anyway when the
price of gas goes up to $6 we'll all be driving one-person motor
scooters. 8^)
As for the OP, it seems like when 85% of Americans were smokers, they
had all the rights. They stunk up restaurants and movie theaters and
even hospitals, and nobody could stop them. Now that they're a
minority, it's -their- rights that are being ignored. San Francisco
just passed a city law banning smoking in any public outdoor area. A
couple of years ago Palo Alto banned smoking within 30 feet of a
doorway, meaning you can't smoke anywhere in the business district.
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| User: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 01:19:10 PM |
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blazing laser wrote:
As for the OP, it seems like when 85% of Americans were smokers, they
had all the rights. They stunk up restaurants and movie theaters and
even hospitals, and nobody could stop them. Now that they're a
minority, it's -their- rights that are being ignored. San Francisco
just passed a city law banning smoking in any public outdoor area. A
couple of years ago Palo Alto banned smoking within 30 feet of a
doorway, meaning you can't smoke anywhere in the business district.
Well - what's wrong with that?. I think the only place smoking should
be allowed is at home and then only by a person who lives by
themselves. You want to smoke, be a hermit.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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10 Jul 2005 05:18:59 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
blazing laser wrote:
As for the OP, it seems like when 85% of Americans were smokers, they
had all the rights. They stunk up restaurants and movie theaters and
even hospitals, and nobody could stop them. Now that they're a
minority, it's -their- rights that are being ignored. San Francisco
just passed a city law banning smoking in any public outdoor area. A
couple of years ago Palo Alto banned smoking within 30 feet of a
doorway, meaning you can't smoke anywhere in the business district.
Well - what's wrong with that?. I think the only place smoking should
be allowed is at home and then only by a person who lives by
themselves. You want to smoke, be a hermit.
What if you fall asleep with a lit cigarette and burn down your entire
neighbourhood?
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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10 Jul 2005 05:19:49 PM |
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
blazing laser wrote:
As for the OP, it seems like when 85% of Americans were smokers, they
had all the rights. They stunk up restaurants and movie theaters and
even hospitals, and nobody could stop them. Now that they're a
minority, it's -their- rights that are being ignored. San Francisco
just passed a city law banning smoking in any public outdoor area. A
couple of years ago Palo Alto banned smoking within 30 feet of a
doorway, meaning you can't smoke anywhere in the business district.
Well - what's wrong with that?. I think the only place smoking should
be allowed is at home and then only by a person who lives by
themselves. You want to smoke, be a hermit.
What if you fall asleep with a lit cigarette and burn down your entire
neighbourhood? Better make smokers stay out in the bay on a bit of rock
just jutting above the waves.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "blazing laser none" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
11 Jul 2005 12:21:08 PM |
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On 10 Jul 2005 11:19:10 -0700, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
blazing laser wrote:
As for the OP, it seems like when 85% of Americans were smokers, they
had all the rights. They stunk up restaurants and movie theaters and
even hospitals, and nobody could stop them. Now that they're a
minority, it's -their- rights that are being ignored. San Francisco
just passed a city law banning smoking in any public outdoor area. A
couple of years ago Palo Alto banned smoking within 30 feet of a
doorway, meaning you can't smoke anywhere in the business district.
Well - what's wrong with that?. I think the only place smoking should
be allowed is at home and then only by a person who lives by
themselves. You want to smoke, be a hermit.
I think the principle is that indoor smoking is being banned because
it endangers others through second-hand smoke. Smoking outdoors, on
the sidewalk or in the middle of a big park, usually doesn't endanger
others.
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| User: "chris.holt" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
11 Jul 2005 01:39:47 PM |
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blazing laser wrote:
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well - what's wrong with that?. I think the only place smoking should
be allowed is at home and then only by a person who lives by
themselves. You want to smoke, be a hermit.
I think the principle is that indoor smoking is being banned because
it endangers others through second-hand smoke. Smoking outdoors, on
the sidewalk or in the middle of a big park, usually doesn't endanger
others.
I doubt it's any worse than breathing car/truck/bus fumes,
or the clouds of dust you get when they're re-laying
pavements and cutting the stones. I'm not in favour of
carcinogenic agents, but let's put this into perspective.
I often meet friends in smoking sections of bars because
I like talking with them (I don't smoke myself).
There's a point at which you have to say that the danger
*doesn't* outweigh personal freedom. Forcing people into
environments where they're likely to die (see miners a
century ago) is bad; worrying about the third decimal
place of risk at the expense of preventing people from
doing what they want is also bad.
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chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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| User: "blazing laser none" |
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11 Jul 2005 08:30:38 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:39:47 +0100, "chris.holt"
<chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
blazing laser wrote:
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well - what's wrong with that?. I think the only place smoking should
be allowed is at home and then only by a person who lives by
themselves. You want to smoke, be a hermit.
I think the principle is that indoor smoking is being banned because
it endangers others through second-hand smoke. Smoking outdoors, on
the sidewalk or in the middle of a big park, usually doesn't endanger
others.
I doubt it's any worse than breathing car/truck/bus fumes,
or the clouds of dust you get when they're re-laying
pavements and cutting the stones. I'm not in favour of
carcinogenic agents, but let's put this into perspective.
I often meet friends in smoking sections of bars because
I like talking with them (I don't smoke myself).
I tend to agree with you, but that's the reason given.
We banned smoking in restaurants several years ago here in California,
and bars quickly followed (IIRC there was much more outrage over the
bars than the restaurants). I hardly noticed, but now when I go out
of state and walk into a smoking-allowed restaurant I am really taken
aback by the smell, that disgusting smell of stale smoke that I used
to take for granted. So I think it's a good thing.
Before smoking was banned outright, restaurants were required to have
non-smoking sections. Often this meant the waiter sat you down in a
room full of smokers and put a 'No Smoking' sign on your table. 8^)
There's a point at which you have to say that the danger
*doesn't* outweigh personal freedom. Forcing people into
environments where they're likely to die (see miners a
century ago) is bad; worrying about the third decimal
place of risk at the expense of preventing people from
doing what they want is also bad.
I'm not really sure how dangerous 2nd-hand smoke is. I tend to think
that outdoors it's negligible. Indoors it's more dangerous, but I
find it a nuisance. When we were a nation of 85% smokers, smokers had
all the rights. Now that it's <15%, smokers have no rights at all.
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| User: "chris.holt" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
12 Jul 2005 11:01:57 AM |
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blazing laser wrote:
<chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
blazing laser wrote:
I think the principle is that indoor smoking is being banned because
it endangers others through second-hand smoke. Smoking outdoors, on
the sidewalk or in the middle of a big park, usually doesn't endanger
others.
I doubt it's any worse than breathing car/truck/bus fumes,
or the clouds of dust you get when they're re-laying
pavements and cutting the stones. I'm not in favour of
carcinogenic agents, but let's put this into perspective.
I often meet friends in smoking sections of bars because
I like talking with them (I don't smoke myself).
I tend to agree with you, but that's the reason given.
We banned smoking in restaurants several years ago here in California,
and bars quickly followed (IIRC there was much more outrage over the
bars than the restaurants). I hardly noticed, but now when I go out
of state and walk into a smoking-allowed restaurant I am really taken
aback by the smell, that disgusting smell of stale smoke that I used
to take for granted. So I think it's a good thing.
I don't *like* the smell, but there's lots of things
that I don't like. Suppose we carried the same principle
over to (some future legalized) marijuana, or even
opium. As long as you know what you're getting in to,
I'd rather say keep it legal.
Does it harm people? Yes. Does banning it cause more
harm? That's where I say yes as well.
Before smoking was banned outright, restaurants were required to have
non-smoking sections. Often this meant the waiter sat you down in a
room full of smokers and put a 'No Smoking' sign on your table. 8^)
Yeah, that's always been a problem. I'm completely
in favour of people understanding something about
air currents, and being allowed to be in smoke-free
conditions.
There's a point at which you have to say that the danger
*doesn't* outweigh personal freedom. Forcing people into
environments where they're likely to die (see miners a
century ago) is bad; worrying about the third decimal
place of risk at the expense of preventing people from
doing what they want is also bad.
I'm not really sure how dangerous 2nd-hand smoke is.
From what I've seen, I don't think anyone is. It depends
a lot on frequency and intensity of exposure, and that's
really hard to measure. If it's like everything else,
it also depends on age; people have times when they're
more and less susceptible.
I tend to think
that outdoors it's negligible. Indoors it's more dangerous, but I
find it a nuisance. When we were a nation of 85% smokers, smokers had
all the rights. Now that it's <15%, smokers have no rights at all.
That's what worries me.
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chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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| User: "blazing laser none" |
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13 Jul 2005 01:57:27 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:01:57 +0100, "chris.holt"
<chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
I don't *like* the smell, but there's lots of things
that I don't like. Suppose we carried the same principle
over to (some future legalized) marijuana, or even
opium. As long as you know what you're getting in to,
I'd rather say keep it legal.
Legalizing that which has been declared illegal is a different matter
entirely. I would like to see pot legalized, and other 'soft' drugs.
But subject to controls, of course, like alcohol. And if people want
to avoid 2nd-hand pot smoke, shouldn't they be allowed?
Does it harm people? Yes. Does banning it cause more
harm? That's where I say yes as well.
I tend to agree. But we're not banning tobacco here, just restricting
its use to protect the innocent.
I'm not really sure how dangerous 2nd-hand smoke is.
From what I've seen, I don't think anyone is. It depends
a lot on frequency and intensity of exposure, and that's
really hard to measure. If it's like everything else,
it also depends on age; people have times when they're
more and less susceptible.
If it is dangerous at all, it would be most dangerous to people who
have to inhale 2nd-hand smoke all day at work. That's why it was
banned first in workplaces. It was then banned in restaurants while
bars were allowed to designate themselves smoking and non-smoking.
Then it was banned in bars because they are workplaces too.
I tend to think
that outdoors it's negligible. Indoors it's more dangerous, but I
find it a nuisance. When we were a nation of 85% smokers, smokers had
all the rights. Now that it's <15%, smokers have no rights at all.
That's what worries me.
Me too, but also I have to admit I'm delighted to see the shoe on the
other foot. 8^)
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
11 Jul 2005 08:45:50 PM |
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blazing laser wrote:
I'm not really sure how dangerous 2nd-hand smoke is. I tend to think
that outdoors it's negligible. Indoors it's more dangerous, but I
find it a nuisance. When we were a nation of 85% smokers, smokers had
all the rights. Now that it's <15%, smokers have no rights at all.
That's not quite true; they have the right to pay outrageous taxes
on every 'coffin nail' they choose to imbibe, in order to pay off
the class-action settlements negotiated by the government. Of course,
these taxes will only last as long as the states need the money, so
it's not as though they'll pay said taxes forever... right?
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| User: "blazing laser none" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
12 Jul 2005 01:33:17 AM |
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On 11 Jul 2005 18:45:50 -0700, "Stevie Nichts" <nix2nichts@yahoo.com>
wrote:
blazing laser wrote:
I'm not really sure how dangerous 2nd-hand smoke is. I tend to think
that outdoors it's negligible. Indoors it's more dangerous, but I
find it a nuisance. When we were a nation of 85% smokers, smokers had
all the rights. Now that it's <15%, smokers have no rights at all.
That's not quite true; they have the right to pay outrageous taxes
on every 'coffin nail' they choose to imbibe, in order to pay off
the class-action settlements negotiated by the government. Of course,
these taxes will only last as long as the states need the money, so
it's not as though they'll pay said taxes forever... right?
LOL! Well you know how they say the state lottery is a tax on the
ignorance of statistics and probability. Cigarette taxes (both direct
and indirect) are a tax on addiction. Why not tax addiction?
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: New Jersey Legislator Wants to Ban Smoking in Your Car |
10 Jul 2005 09:26:59 PM |
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blazing laser wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:02:03 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
Let's ban passengers. They can easily distract the driver.
I read about a study having to do with whether cellphone are
distractions. The findings were that it's the conversation that is the
distraction, not the driver holding the cellphone to his ear. It
showed that having a conversation with a passenger is equally
distracting! So you might have something there. Anyway when the
price of gas goes up to $6 we'll all be driving one-person motor
scooters. 8^)
We can always carpool.
http://tinyurl.com/85ncs
As for the OP, it seems like when 85% of Americans were smokers, they
had all the rights. They stunk up restaurants and movie theaters and
even hospitals, and nobody could stop them. Now that they're a
minority, it's -their- rights that are being ignored. San Francisco
just passed a city law banning smoking in any public outdoor area. A
couple of years ago Palo Alto banned smoking within 30 feet of a
doorway, meaning you can't smoke anywhere in the business district.
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