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Date: 24 Nov 2007 08:10:05 PM
Object: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give even betterSS benefits to illegal aliens
Before reading the following I urge you: if you disbelieve any of it
(and I know it's hard for some people to believe that the U.S.
government would back-stab its own citizens as the following message
details it's doing) PLEASE RESEARCH IT YOURSELF ONLINE!
_______________________________________________________________
U.S. citizens are fighting two federal laws which TAKE AWAY the
Social Security benefits which they LEGALLY EARNED while the Bush
Administration's "Social Security Totalization Agreement" with ultra-
corrupt/ultra-hypocritical Mexico GIVES Social Security benefits (and
even better ones than U.S. citizens have ever had!) to illegal aliens.
1. The "Windfall Elimination Provision" reduces the Social Security
benefits
of U.S. citizens who have worked in the private sector long enough to
qualify
for SS retirement benefits.
2. The "Government Pension Offset" reduces the Social Security
benefits of
survivors receiving pensions through spouses or former spouses.
ALL THIS WHILE THE SAME GOVERNMENT PLANS TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND
THEIR
FAMILIES LITERALLY *BETTER* BENEFITS THAN U.S. CITIZENS ARE ELIGIBLE
TO RECEIVE!
Here's an example of what seething Americans are saying about this
unbelievable OUTRAGE:
"I am a recently-retired postal worker with over 30 years of
service. I paid
enough into social security (40 quarters) to qualify for benefits.
However,
because I retired under the old CSRS system, I will be robbed of over
60
percent of my SS benefits under the windfall offset law. Now, there is
talk on
Capitol Hill of providing SS benefits to illegal aliens. Can any of
you
congressmen imagine how disenfranchising it is to hear of such propals
when we
older American citizens cannot collect the SS benefits that we
rightfully
earned? Don't we American workers deserve the same consideration as
the
immigrants who enter our country illegally?"
William Reid
http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_SN_206.html#usercomments
More on the outrageous -- if not downright TREASONOUS -- Social
Security Totalization agreement with Mexico:
Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?
* "With Social Security facing projections of insolvency, a Bush
Administration plan would hasten that crisis by sending hundreds of
millions
[correction: BILLIONS] of dollars in Social Security payments to
Mexican
citizens living in Mexico-including those who have worked illegally in
the
United States."
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuece...
* Can the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement Be Stopped?
"Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) introduced H.R. 190 which also would
prohibit an
individual who is not a U.S. citizen or national, for purposes of
Social
Security benefits, from being credited for income earned while he/she
was not
a citizen or national. Furthermore, it would require all totalization
agreements to take that prohibition into account."
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm
* Rewards for Illegal Immigration
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/legislation_proposed110.html
* Hasta La Vista, Social Security
About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get
Social
Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S.,
further
burdening a system on the brink of collapse.
Surveys have shown that more Americans believe in the existence of
unidentified flying objects than in the promise that they'll ever get
back
what they've put into the Social Security system. It also is against
current
law for employers knowingly to hire individuals who are in this
country
illegally.
So it must be somewhat disconcerting for them to find out that about
to become
law is an agreement signed on June 29, 2004, between the U.S.
Commissioner of
Social Security and the director general of the Mexican Social
Security
Institute that allows illegal aliens to collect Social Security
benefits if
they have as little as 18 months of employment history. U.S. citizens
must
show 10 years, or 40 quarters of job history, to collect benefits.
The first public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement has
been
obtained, and, no, it wasn't on the first page of the New York Times.
It was
obtained after three years of wrangling and a Freedom of Information
Act
request by the TREA Senior Citizens League (tscl.org) which represents
more
than 1 million seniors. And, as the saying goes, the devil is in the
details.
In a review requested by Congress, the Government Accounting Office
said the
agreement with Mexico involves "highly uncertain" costs and would
affect the
long-term solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund if the SSA has
underestimated the number of beneficiaries by more than 25%.
Reader comment:
"joshua said, in January 5th, 2007
It's a damn shame that an American citizen has less rights than an
illegal.
A good friend, 24, same as I am, had a massive heart attack, which led
to a
bunch of problems for him, was told he couldn't work for maybe years.
He
applied for Social Scurity Disability (he's worked since he was 14).
He was
denied because he didn't have the last 10 years employed with enough
quarters,
they gave him SSI. But Mr. Illegal Julio Zapata, still dusty from his
trip
through the desert of southern Arizona, can work 18 months and if he's
65 can
retire, and get Medicare..........
I've just decided that it's time to refresh the tree of Liberty with
the blood
of revolution...starting with non-elected bureaucrats and then heading
down to
the White House and Congress for more.
Only problem is that no one will fight, they will be to busy gaming,
watching
Survivor and yakking on their precious cell phones to be bothered.
I'm 24 y/o and I see a future not worth bothering with. Who wants to
live on a
trashed out, polluted planet with no rights, except to pay taxes and
die."
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9002
* Totalization Agreement - The Totalization Agreement continues to
pose a
threat to Social Security beneficiaries. If the President signs the
final
Executive Totalization Social Security Agreement with Mexico it could
lead to
Social Security benefits going to individuals who worked in the U.S.
while
illegal. Despite the efforts of TSCL and others, knowledge of the
Totalization
Agreement remains limited on Capitol Hill and the issue flies under
radar for
the most part. TSCL has expressed its support for two House
resolutions
opposed to the Totalization Agreement, those of Congressmen J.D.
Hayworth
(H.Res.20) and Virgil Goode (H.Con.Res.50). TSCL has placed ads in
The
Washington Times in opposition to the proposed agreement and will
continue to
closely monitor the Totalization matter during the upcoming session
of
Congress.
http://www.seniorsleague.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ...
"The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
the masters of their own fate."
-- Alexander Hamilton
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"We in America do not have government by the majority.
We have government by the majority who participate."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
to our liberties than standing armies."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then
by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all
property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power
should be taken from the banks and restored to the
people, to whom it properly belongs."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:
www.predatoryaliens.com
www.immigrationshumancost.org
www.daylaborers.org
www.alipac.us
"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.immigrationcounters.com
www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.escapingjustice.com
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.deputydavidmarch.com
www.kriseggle.org
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
..
"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here
are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of
fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax
evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the
crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens
on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal
status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and
possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25%
of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some
areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and
34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."
-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before
the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security
and Claims
.

User: "gerry"

Title: Re: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give evenbetter SS benefits to illegal aliens 24 Nov 2007 10:51:49 PM
wrote:

Before reading the following I urge you: if you disbelieve any of it
(and I know it's hard for some people to believe that the U.S.
government would back-stab its own citizens as the following message
details it's doing) PLEASE RESEARCH IT YOURSELF ONLINE!
_______________________________________________________________
U.S. citizens are fighting two federal laws which TAKE AWAY the
Social Security benefits which they LEGALLY EARNED while the Bush
Administration's "Social Security Totalization Agreement" with ultra-
corrupt/ultra-hypocritical Mexico GIVES Social Security benefits (and
even better ones than U.S. citizens have ever had!) to illegal aliens.

1. The "Windfall Elimination Provision" reduces the Social Security
benefits
of U.S. citizens who have worked in the private sector long enough to
qualify
for SS retirement benefits.

2. The "Government Pension Offset" reduces the Social Security
benefits of
survivors receiving pensions through spouses or former spouses.

ALL THIS WHILE THE SAME GOVERNMENT PLANS TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND
THEIR
FAMILIES LITERALLY *BETTER* BENEFITS THAN U.S. CITIZENS ARE ELIGIBLE
TO RECEIVE!

Here's an example of what seething Americans are saying about this
unbelievable OUTRAGE:

"I am a recently-retired postal worker with over 30 years of
service. I paid
enough into social security (40 quarters) to qualify for benefits.
However,
because I retired under the old CSRS system, I will be robbed of over
60
percent of my SS benefits under the windfall offset law. Now, there is
talk on
Capitol Hill of providing SS benefits to illegal aliens. Can any of
you
congressmen imagine how disenfranchising it is to hear of such propals
when we
older American citizens cannot collect the SS benefits that we
rightfully
earned? Don't we American workers deserve the same consideration as
the
immigrants who enter our country illegally?"

William Reid
http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_SN_206.html#usercomments

More on the outrageous -- if not downright TREASONOUS -- Social
Security Totalization agreement with Mexico:


Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?

* "With Social Security facing projections of insolvency, a Bush
Administration plan would hasten that crisis by sending hundreds of
millions
[correction: BILLIONS] of dollars in Social Security payments to
Mexican
citizens living in Mexico-including those who have worked illegally in
the
United States."

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuece...

* Can the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement Be Stopped?

"Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) introduced H.R. 190 which also would
prohibit an
individual who is not a U.S. citizen or national, for purposes of
Social
Security benefits, from being credited for income earned while he/she
was not
a citizen or national. Furthermore, it would require all totalization
agreements to take that prohibition into account."

http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm

* Rewards for Illegal Immigration
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/legislation_proposed110.html

* Hasta La Vista, Social Security

About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get
Social
Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S.,
further
burdening a system on the brink of collapse.

Surveys have shown that more Americans believe in the existence of
unidentified flying objects than in the promise that they'll ever get
back
what they've put into the Social Security system. It also is against
current
law for employers knowingly to hire individuals who are in this
country
illegally.

So it must be somewhat disconcerting for them to find out that about
to become
law is an agreement signed on June 29, 2004, between the U.S.
Commissioner of
Social Security and the director general of the Mexican Social
Security
Institute that allows illegal aliens to collect Social Security
benefits if
they have as little as 18 months of employment history. U.S. citizens
must
show 10 years, or 40 quarters of job history, to collect benefits.
The first public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement has
been
obtained, and, no, it wasn't on the first page of the New York Times.
It was
obtained after three years of wrangling and a Freedom of Information
Act
request by the TREA Senior Citizens League (tscl.org) which represents
more
than 1 million seniors. And, as the saying goes, the devil is in the
details.
In a review requested by Congress, the Government Accounting Office
said the
agreement with Mexico involves "highly uncertain" costs and would
affect the
long-term solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund if the SSA has
underestimated the number of beneficiaries by more than 25%.

Reader comment:

"joshua said, in January 5th, 2007

It's a damn shame that an American citizen has less rights than an
illegal.
A good friend, 24, same as I am, had a massive heart attack, which led
to a
bunch of problems for him, was told he couldn't work for maybe years.
He
applied for Social Scurity Disability (he's worked since he was 14).
He was
denied because he didn't have the last 10 years employed with enough
quarters,
they gave him SSI. But Mr. Illegal Julio Zapata, still dusty from his
trip
through the desert of southern Arizona, can work 18 months and if he's
65 can
retire, and get Medicare..........

I've just decided that it's time to refresh the tree of Liberty with
the blood
of revolution...starting with non-elected bureaucrats and then heading
down to
the White House and Congress for more.

Only problem is that no one will fight, they will be to busy gaming,
watching
Survivor and yakking on their precious cell phones to be bothered.
I'm 24 y/o and I see a future not worth bothering with. Who wants to
live on a
trashed out, polluted planet with no rights, except to pay taxes and
die."

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9002

* Totalization Agreement - The Totalization Agreement continues to
pose a
threat to Social Security beneficiaries. If the President signs the
final
Executive Totalization Social Security Agreement with Mexico it could
lead to
Social Security benefits going to individuals who worked in the U.S.
while
illegal. Despite the efforts of TSCL and others, knowledge of the
Totalization
Agreement remains limited on Capitol Hill and the issue flies under
radar for
the most part. TSCL has expressed its support for two House
resolutions
opposed to the Totalization Agreement, those of Congressmen J.D.
Hayworth
(H.Res.20) and Virgil Goode (H.Con.Res.50). TSCL has placed ads in
The
Washington Times in opposition to the proposed agreement and will
continue to
closely monitor the Totalization matter during the upcoming session
of
Congress.

http://www.seniorsleague.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ...

"The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
the masters of their own fate."


-- Alexander Hamilton


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
arms."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"We in America do not have government by the majority.
We have government by the majority who participate."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
to our liberties than standing armies."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."


-- Thomas Jefferson


"If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then
by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all
property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power
should be taken from the banks and restored to the
people, to whom it properly belongs."
-- Thomas Jefferson


"If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen."


-- Samuel Adams


PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:


www.predatoryaliens.com
www.immigrationshumancost.org
www.daylaborers.org
www.alipac.us


"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html


See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.immigrationcounters.com


www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.escapingjustice.com


Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.deputydavidmarch.com
www.kriseggle.org


"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
.
"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here
are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of
fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax
evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the
crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens
on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal
status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and
possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25%
of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some
areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and
34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."


-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before
the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security
and Claims

--More than a million public servants are adversely affected by these
Social Security benefit offsets. The victims are concentrated in Texas
and 12 other so-called "non-Social-Security" states ( Alaska ,
California , Colorado , Connecticut , Illinois , Louisiana , Maine ,
Massachusetts , Missouri , Nevada , Ohio , Rhode Island ).--
The Republican leadership in Congress has blocked the elimination of
Social Security benefit offsets for almost a decade, figuring that the
money gouged out low paid employee SS benefits could be used for
better things, such as reducing the taxes of their billionaire
friends. The fact that the Democratic leadership now in Congress is
moving at a snail's pace to correct this injustice shows that
billionaires and multimillionaires have good friends in both parties.
After all, thanks to her support of Bush's Iraq policies, Senator
Diane Feinstein's family is now $100 million richer from the Iraq
construction projects she approved for her husband's two construction
companies, while she was chair of the Senate Military Construction
committee.
.
User: "gerry"

Title: Re: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give evenbetter SS benefits to illegal aliens 25 Nov 2007 01:16:40 AM
--More than a million public servants are adversely affected by these
Social Security benefit offsets. The victims are concentrated in Texas
and 12 other so-called "non-Social-Security" states ( Alaska ,
California , Colorado , Connecticut , Illinois , Louisiana , Maine ,
Massachusetts , Missouri , Nevada , Ohio , Rhode Island ).--
The Republican leadership in Congress has blocked the elimination of
Social Security benefit offsets for almost a decade, figuring that the
money gouged out low paid employee SS benefits could be used for
better things, such as reducing the taxes of their billionaire
friends. The fact that the Democratic leadership now in Congress is
moving at a snail's pace to correct this injustice shows that
billionaires and multimillionaires have good friends in both parties.
After all, thanks to her support of Bush's Iraq policies, Senator
Diane Feinstein's family is now $100 million richer from the Iraq
construction projects she approved for her husband's two construction
companies, while she was chair of the Senate Military Construction
committee.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give evenbetter SS benefits to illegal aliens 24 Nov 2007 08:41:27 PM
wrote:

Before reading the following I urge you: if you disbelieve any of it
(and I know it's hard for some people to believe that the U.S.
government would back-stab its own citizens as the following message
details it's doing) PLEASE RESEARCH IT YOURSELF ONLINE!
_______________________________________________________________
U.S. citizens are fighting two federal laws which TAKE AWAY the
Social Security benefits which they LEGALLY EARNED while the Bush
Administration's "Social Security Totalization Agreement" with ultra-
corrupt/ultra-hypocritical Mexico GIVES Social Security benefits (and
even better ones than U.S. citizens have ever had!) to illegal aliens.

Why not just use these links:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep.htm
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep-chart.htm
Tancredo for President
Official Campaign Site
http://teamtancredo.org/home/
Congressman Tom Tancredo
http://tancredo.house.gov/
.
User: ""

Title: Re: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give evenbetter SS benefits to illegal aliens 24 Nov 2007 08:58:14 PM

GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com wrote:

Before reading the following I urge you: if you disbelieve any of it
(and I know it's hard for some people to believe that the U.S.
government would back-stab its own citizens as the following message
details it's doing) PLEASE RESEARCH IT YOURSELF ONLINE!
_______________________________________________________________
U.S. citizens are fighting two federal laws which TAKE AWAY the
Social Security benefits which they LEGALLY EARNED while the Bush
Administration's "Social Security Totalization Agreement" with ultra-
corrupt/ultra-hypocritical Mexico GIVES Social Security benefits (and
even better ones than U.S. citizens have ever had!) to illegal aliens.


Why not just use these links:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep.htm

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep-chart.htm

Um, for the same reason I don't have the government prepare my taxes.
.

User: "Tani Jantsang©"

Title: Re: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give even better SS benefits to illegal aliens 24 Nov 2007 09:40:16 PM
I don't think it's saying that. It's saying that if you get a pension from
some job, it can be reduced. I don't see anything about illegals on there.
AARP will pitch a FIT if SS is reduced. It's not enough as it stands - and
they need to ELIMINATE THAT CAP.
<johnny@.> wrote in message
news:8h52j.1444$mb.1065@bignews9.bellsouth.net...

GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer@adelphia.com wrote:

Before reading the following I urge you: if you disbelieve any of it
(and I know it's hard for some people to believe that the U.S.
government would back-stab its own citizens as the following message
details it's doing) PLEASE RESEARCH IT YOURSELF ONLINE!
_______________________________________________________________
U.S. citizens are fighting two federal laws which TAKE AWAY the
Social Security benefits which they LEGALLY EARNED while the Bush
Administration's "Social Security Totalization Agreement" with ultra-
corrupt/ultra-hypocritical Mexico GIVES Social Security benefits (and
even better ones than U.S. citizens have ever had!) to illegal aliens.


Why not just use these links:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep.htm

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/wep-chart.htm




Tancredo for President

Official Campaign Site

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Congressman Tom Tancredo

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User: "gerry"

Title: Re: New laws reduce & revoke U.S. citizens' SS benefits, give evenbetter SS benefits to illegal aliens 24 Nov 2007 10:57:08 PM
On Nov 24, 9:10 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
<guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:

Before reading the following I urge you: if you disbelieve any of it
(and I know it's hard for some people to believe that the U.S.
government would back-stab its own citizens as the following message
details it's doing) PLEASE RESEARCH IT YOURSELF ONLINE!
_______________________________________________________________
U.S. citizens are fighting two federal laws which TAKE AWAY the
Social Security benefits which they LEGALLY EARNED while the Bush
Administration's "Social Security Totalization Agreement" with ultra-
corrupt/ultra-hypocritical Mexico GIVES Social Security benefits (and
even better ones than U.S. citizens have ever had!) to illegal aliens.

1. The "Windfall Elimination Provision" reduces the Social Security
benefits
of U.S. citizens who have worked in the private sector long enough to
qualify
for SS retirement benefits.

2. The "Government Pension Offset" reduces the Social Security
benefits of
survivors receiving pensions through spouses or former spouses.

ALL THIS WHILE THE SAME GOVERNMENT PLANS TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND
THEIR
FAMILIES LITERALLY *BETTER* BENEFITS THAN U.S. CITIZENS ARE ELIGIBLE
TO RECEIVE!

Here's an example of what seething Americans are saying about this
unbelievable OUTRAGE:

"I am a recently-retired postal worker with over 30 years of
service. I paid
enough into social security (40 quarters) to qualify for benefits.
However,
because I retired under the old CSRS system, I will be robbed of over
60
percent of my SS benefits under the windfall offset law. Now, there is
talk on
Capitol Hill of providing SS benefits to illegal aliens. Can any of
you
congressmen imagine how disenfranchising it is to hear of such propals
when we
older American citizens cannot collect the SS benefits that we
rightfully
earned? Don't we American workers deserve the same consideration as
the
immigrants who enter our country illegally?"

William Reidhttp://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_SN_206.html#usercomments

More on the outrageous -- if not downright TREASONOUS -- Social
Security Totalization agreement with Mexico:

Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?

* "With Social Security facing projections of insolvency, a Bush
Administration plan would hasten that crisis by sending hundreds of
millions
[correction: BILLIONS] of dollars in Social Security payments to
Mexican
citizens living in Mexico-including those who have worked illegally in
the
United States."

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuece...

* Can the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement Be Stopped?

"Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) introduced H.R. 190 which also would
prohibit an
individual who is not a U.S. citizen or national, for purposes of
Social
Security benefits, from being credited for income earned while he/she
was not
a citizen or national. Furthermore, it would require all totalization
agreements to take that prohibition into account."

http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm

* Rewards for Illegal Immigrationhttp://www.numbersusa.com/interests/legislation_proposed110.html

* Hasta La Vista, Social Security

About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get
Social
Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S.,
further
burdening a system on the brink of collapse.

Surveys have shown that more Americans believe in the existence of
unidentified flying objects than in the promise that they'll ever get
back
what they've put into the Social Security system. It also is against
current
law for employers knowingly to hire individuals who are in this
country
illegally.

So it must be somewhat disconcerting for them to find out that about
to become
law is an agreement signed on June 29, 2004, between the U.S.
Commissioner of
Social Security and the director general of the Mexican Social
Security
Institute that allows illegal aliens to collect Social Security
benefits if
they have as little as 18 months of employment history. U.S. citizens
must
show 10 years, or 40 quarters of job history, to collect benefits.
The first public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement has
been
obtained, and, no, it wasn't on the first page of the New York Times.
It was
obtained after three years of wrangling and a Freedom of Information
Act
request by the TREA Senior Citizens League (tscl.org) which represents
more
than 1 million seniors. And, as the saying goes, the devil is in the
details.
In a review requested by Congress, the Government Accounting Office
said the
agreement with Mexico involves "highly uncertain" costs and would
affect the
long-term solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund if the SSA has
underestimated the number of beneficiaries by more than 25%.

Reader comment:

"joshua said, in January 5th, 2007

It's a damn shame that an American citizen has less rights than an
illegal.
A good friend, 24, same as I am, had a massive heart attack, which led
to a
bunch of problems for him, was told he couldn't work for maybe years.
He
applied for Social Scurity Disability (he's worked since he was 14).
He was
denied because he didn't have the last 10 years employed with enough
quarters,
they gave him SSI. But Mr. Illegal Julio Zapata, still dusty from his
trip
through the desert of southern Arizona, can work 18 months and if he's
65 can
retire, and get Medicare..........

I've just decided that it's time to refresh the tree of Liberty with
the blood
of revolution...starting with non-elected bureaucrats and then heading
down to
the White House and Congress for more.

Only problem is that no one will fight, they will be to busy gaming,
watching
Survivor and yakking on their precious cell phones to be bothered.
I'm 24 y/o and I see a future not worth bothering with. Who wants to
live on a
trashed out, polluted planet with no rights, except to pay taxes and
die."

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9002

* Totalization Agreement - The Totalization Agreement continues to
pose a
threat to Social Security beneficiaries. If the President signs the
final
Executive Totalization Social Security Agreement with Mexico it could
lead to
Social Security benefits going to individuals who worked in the U.S.
while
illegal. Despite the efforts of TSCL and others, knowledge of the
Totalization
Agreement remains limited on Capitol Hill and the issue flies under
radar for
the most part. TSCL has expressed its support for two House
resolutions
opposed to the Totalization Agreement, those of Congressmen J.D.
Hayworth
(H.Res.20) and Virgil Goode (H.Con.Res.50). TSCL has placed ads in
The
Washington Times in opposition to the proposed agreement and will
continue to
closely monitor the Totalization matter during the upcoming session
of
Congress.

http://www.seniorsleague.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ...

"The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
the masters of their own fate."

-- Alexander Hamilton

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
arms."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"We in America do not have government by the majority.
We have government by the majority who participate."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
to our liberties than standing armies."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor."

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with ...

read more >>

--More than a million public servants are adversely affected by these
Social Security benefit offsets. The victims are concentrated in Texas
and 12 other so-called "non-Social-Security" states ( Alaska ,
California , Colorado , Connecticut , Illinois , Louisiana , Maine ,
Massachusetts , Missouri , Nevada , Ohio , Rhode Island ).--
The Republican leadership in Congress has blocked the elimination of
Social Security benefit offsets for almost a decade, figuring that the
money gouged out low paid employee SS benefits could be used for
better things, such as reducing the taxes of their billionaire
friends. The fact that the Democratic leadership now in Congress is
moving at a snail's pace to correct this injustice shows that
billionaires and multimillionaires have good friends in both parties.
After all, thanks to her support of Bush's Iraq policies, Senator
Diane Feinstein's family is now $100 million richer from the Iraq
construction projects she approved for her husband's two construction
companies, while she was chair of the Senate Military Construction
committee.
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