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"J Young" |
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08 Aug 2005 09:43:44 PM |
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New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans |
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution. In fact, fifty-five percent of Americans believe that
creationism, evolution, and intelligent design each should have a place
in public education, while only 12 percent support policies reserved
exclusively for Darwin's theory of evolution.
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
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| User: "Dale" |
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08 Aug 2005 09:50:34 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123555424.928941.311680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution.
Truth is not determined by popularity.
That's a really sad poll. It puts the US on equal footing with the most
uneducated countries of the world. Well, it was great while it lasted.
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08 Aug 2005 10:34:32 PM |
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A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
I read recently that seventy-five percent of Americans believe in
astrology, which is generally proscribed by all religions that believe
in a "God" as an omniscient being.
It seems that we're entering another Dark Age.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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08 Aug 2005 10:54:11 PM |
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It seems that we're entering another Dark Age.
Not necessarily. The masses remained wildly ignorant during the
Renaissance and Enlightenment. It's when intellectuals are persecuted
and ideas are suppressed that Dark Ages come about. True, we may be
entering a time in which the average citizen is once again
superstitious and xenophobic, but with global communications and travel
being what they are, combined with a lack of religious uniformity, I
doubt we will be sinking into another Dark Age in the near future.
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| User: "Dr. Zarkov" |
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08 Aug 2005 10:47:01 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123555424.928941.311680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution.
Truth is not determined by popularity.
Indeed. Nor are ethical standards. But it's interesting that the old
"argumentum ad numerum" fallacy is still seen so often. But maybe not
so surprising considering that just about every other elementary fallacy
is far more common than logical reasoning and analysis.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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09 Aug 2005 12:18:53 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
This poll didn't address what number of people believe that human beings
were created by God through the process of evolution.
-Jeff
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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09 Aug 2005 02:16:30 AM |
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*The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
*the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
*supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
*Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
*This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
*eight percent increase!
The funniest thing is that you seem happy to see your decadent country
entering dark age.
Tell me, what's the relation between "popularity" and "truth"?
*In fact, fifty-five percent of Americans believe that
*creationism, evolution, and intelligent design each should have a
place
*in public education,
The only thing this proves is that 55% of Americans are no better than
the muslim fanatics your country is fighting against.
So tell me, J Young, do you also believe the planet is flat?
And when are you starting to burn books? Oh, I forgot, your country is
doing that already...
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| User: "Marcus Aurelius" |
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08 Aug 2005 10:46:50 PM |
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Feel down to the tip of your spine. There, you will find your vestigial
"tail". That means your great------------ great grand daddy was swinging
through the trees grabbing on to branches eating a bananna. He was a monkey!
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123555424.928941.311680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution. In fact, fifty-five percent of Americans believe that
creationism, evolution, and intelligent design each should have a place
in public education, while only 12 percent support policies reserved
exclusively for Darwin's theory of evolution.
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
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| User: "Sean C" |
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10 Aug 2005 12:53:55 AM |
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In article <KGVJe.958$bm3.732@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, Marcus
Aurelius <shaw2082@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Feel down to the tip of your spine. There, you will find your vestigial
"tail". That means your great------------ great grand daddy was swinging
through the trees grabbing on to branches eating a bananna. He was a monkey!
And there I thought that was a ***** sticking up his ***** all this time.
Sean C
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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09 Aug 2005 12:49:00 AM |
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Feel down to the tip of your spine. There, you will find your vestigial
"tail". That means your great------------ great grand daddy was swinging
through the trees grabbing on to branches eating a bananna. He was a monkey!
My great grand daddy was a lump of dirt.
My great grand mommy was a rib.
Who am I?
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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09 Aug 2005 09:33:50 AM |
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"Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1123566540.761345.320390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Feel down to the tip of your spine. There, you will find your vestigial
"tail". That means your great------------ great grand daddy was
swinging through the trees grabbing on to branches eating a bananna. He
was a monkey!
My great grand daddy was a lump of dirt.
My great grand mommy was a rib.
Who am I?
A uneducated and ignorant person?
rj
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| User: "Richard M Braun" |
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09 Aug 2005 06:18:26 PM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Feel down to the tip of your spine. There, you will find your vestigial
"tail". That means your great------------ great grand daddy was swinging
through the trees grabbing on to branches eating a bananna. He was a monkey!
My great grand daddy was a lump of dirt.
My great grand mommy was a rib.
Who am I?
You are the Grandson of a poor orphan. Who survived, despite the parents
succumbing to the reality of evolutionary carnage. All that was left by
the carnivore was a pile of dirt and a rib. The ability to overcome and
survive daily threats to ones life is basic evolution.
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Don't cast blame on an external force for your feelings or your life.
Nothing outside yourself can control your thinking or your actions.
- Unknown -
AA #1091
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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15 Aug 2005 12:23:34 PM |
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On 8 Aug 2005 22:49:00 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Feel down to the tip of your spine. There, you will find your vestigial
"tail". That means your great------------ great grand daddy was swinging
through the trees grabbing on to branches eating a bananna. He was a monkey!
My great grand daddy was a lump of dirt.
My great grand mommy was a rib.
Who am I?
Not sure exactly -- likely there would be many fitting that
description.
I can tell you, though, that your grandma and grandpa were brother and
sister, and your parents were cousins.
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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09 Aug 2005 04:11:00 AM |
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In article <1123555424.928941.311680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution.
I guess it's a good thing that reality isn't dependant on popularity.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Martin Smith" |
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09 Aug 2005 12:19:55 AM |
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In article <1123555424.928941.311680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
Do you agree this indicates America is going the way of the Islamic
world? Recall that the Islamic world, before it swerved to the right,
was the leader in science. 1, 2, 3... The Arabic numerals.
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| User: "XeNO" |
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09 Aug 2005 03:36:19 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution. In fact, fifty-five percent of Americans believe that
creationism, evolution, and intelligent design each should have a place
in public education, while only 12 percent support policies reserved
exclusively for Darwin's theory of evolution.
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
Very interesting considering the source is biased. Should it have come
from CNN, CBS, or MSNBC you might have had a chance.
The last Gallup Poll on the evolution question had about a 50/50 split
as most christians in the United States have found ways to reconcile
religion with evolution, because of the beauty of the theory.
There is nothing in either that excludes the other, unless you take a
very narrow view, but I'm not the first person to make that statement.
--XeNO
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| User: "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus." |
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09 Aug 2005 12:44:04 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2803
New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans
A Harris poll released on July 7 finds that sixty-four percent of
Americans believe that "human beings were created directly by God"
as opposed to the random chance theory of evolution.
The survey also found that nearly half of college graduates support
creationism, while only 31 percent support Darwin's theory of
evolution. In fact, fifty-five percent of Americans believe that
creationism, evolution, and intelligent design each should have a place
in public education, while only 12 percent support policies reserved
exclusively for Darwin's theory of evolution.
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
*****!
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09 Aug 2005 01:39:20 AM |
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On 8 Aug 2005 22:44:04 -0700, "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus."
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
*****!
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "Clave" |
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09 Aug 2005 01:53:48 AM |
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<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On 8 Aug 2005 22:44:04 -0700, "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus."
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
*****!
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
Disagree to an extent -- the GOP may be pandering to it, but that's not where
it's coming from. It's coming from Christian orthodoxy *just* like the kind
that excommunicated Galileo because he thought everyone should know that Earth
wasn't *the* center of the universe.
Same people who want to kill public education, and for the same reasons.
I don't know what astonishes me more -- the arrogance or the fear behind it.
They're both pretty fucking profound.
Jim
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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09 Aug 2005 09:47:53 AM |
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
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<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On 8 Aug 2005 22:44:04 -0700, "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus."
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
*****!
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
Disagree to an extent -- the GOP may be pandering to it, but that's not
where it's coming from. It's coming from Christian orthodoxy *just* like
the kind that excommunicated Galileo because he thought everyone should
know that Earth wasn't *the* center of the universe.
Same people who want to kill public education, and for the same reasons.
I don't know what astonishes me more -- the arrogance or the fear behind
it. They're both pretty fucking profound.
Jim
Damn, if you didn't hit it right on the head. But the country isn't "doomed"
just yet. The word "almost" would apply for right now. If we atheists quit
wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of philosophers, theologians, and
some scientists, and attack the "defined" God of right-wing evangelical
Christianity instead, we may "head em' off at the pass," so to speak. They
can be brought to their knees because they clearly state who and what God
is. The haven't a chance of "repudiating" their repugnant claims against
knowledgeable atheists and agnostics. Not a chance. Not in a million years.
By showing the rest of America just how ridiculous their claims regarding
"God" truly are (and in a militant way, I might add), we may be able to
impede their aggressive march to power. And by, "attacking." I mean going
after their inane doctrine of biblical inerrancy. Mainstream Christians
don't buy that. So by beating the religious right over the head with
falseness of their "teachings" more publicly, we might be able to neutralize
them to a reasonably high degree. (At least I hope so.) Right now, they
command the airwaves and the pulpits. Atheists and agnostics need to be more
aggressive in attacking them in the mainstream media. Let's see how these
Christian Nazis would like the preaching of "our" version of the "truth"
being spread across the nation? Methinks they wouldn't like it. But what are
they gonna do about it? Deny the truth?
Greywolf
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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09 Aug 2005 03:23:52 PM |
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Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
--
Take the pledge: <http://yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml>
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| User: "SMITH29" |
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13 Aug 2005 04:02:06 PM |
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Paul Mitchum wrote:
Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
xxxx
The atheist is the antichrist in their eyes.
ANYTHING an atheist does that meddles in their affairs will
be immediately under vicious attack.
It's better to just leave them alone all together.
At least that would be the civil thing to do but I know the
militant homosexual left wing atheist camp can't leave them
alone and will surely die out because of it for they don't
believe in peaceful coexistence.
Christians fight to the bitter end and win.
29
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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13 Aug 2005 04:21:17 PM |
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SMITH29 <smith29@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Mitchum wrote:
Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
xxxx
The atheist is the antichrist in their eyes.
ANYTHING an atheist does that meddles in their affairs will
be immediately under vicious attack.
It's better to just leave them alone all together.
At least that would be the civil thing to do but I know the
militant homosexual left wing atheist camp can't leave them
alone and will surely die out because of it for they don't
believe in peaceful coexistence.
Christians fight to the bitter end and win.
Geez, Smitty... Could you please manage to not look like a bigot for,
say... a day and a half or so?
--
Take the pledge: <http://yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml>
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14 Aug 2005 02:04:37 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:21:17 -0700, usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum)
wrote:
SMITH29 <smith29@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Mitchum wrote:
Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
xxxx
The atheist is the antichrist in their eyes.
ANYTHING an atheist does that meddles in their affairs will
be immediately under vicious attack.
It's better to just leave them alone all together.
At least that would be the civil thing to do but I know the
militant homosexual left wing atheist camp can't leave them
alone and will surely die out because of it for they don't
believe in peaceful coexistence.
Christians fight to the bitter end and win.
Geez, Smitty... Could you please manage to not look like a bigot for,
say... a day and a half or so?
I think the problem is insanity - "Militant homosexual left wing
atheist camp"? Very, very weird.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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15 Aug 2005 09:29:11 PM |
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thomas p wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:21:17 -0700, usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum)
wrote:
SMITH29 <smith29@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Mitchum wrote:
Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
xxxx
The atheist is the antichrist in their eyes.
ANYTHING an atheist does that meddles in their affairs will
be immediately under vicious attack.
It's better to just leave them alone all together.
At least that would be the civil thing to do but I know the
militant homosexual left wing atheist camp can't leave them
alone and will surely die out because of it for they don't
believe in peaceful coexistence.
Christians fight to the bitter end and win.
Geez, Smitty... Could you please manage to not look like a bigot for,
say... a day and a half or so?
I think the problem is insanity - "Militant homosexual left wing
atheist camp"? Very, very weird.
xxxx
A description of Greg Gadow HAS to be weird but it's true.
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Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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15 Aug 2005 09:27:35 PM |
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Paul Mitchum wrote:
SMITH29 <smith29@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Mitchum wrote:
Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
xxxx
The atheist is the antichrist in their eyes.
ANYTHING an atheist does that meddles in their affairs will
be immediately under vicious attack.
It's better to just leave them alone all together.
At least that would be the civil thing to do but I know the
militant homosexual left wing atheist camp can't leave them
alone and will surely die out because of it for they don't
believe in peaceful coexistence.
Christians fight to the bitter end and win.
Geez, Smitty... Could you please manage to not look like a bigot for,
say... a day and a half or so?
xxxx
That wouldn't be any fun
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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13 Aug 2005 04:48:53 PM |
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SMITH29 wrote:
Paul Mitchum wrote:
Greywolf <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
If we atheists quit wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of
philosophers, theologians, and some scientists, and attack the "defined"
God of right-wing evangelical Christianity instead, we may "head em' off
at the pass," so to speak.
You can't. It won't work. Don't even try, because you'll make matters
worse.
Instead, let the moderate Christians do their thing. Any noise at all
from atheists, no matter how practical or common-sense, will always be a
test of faith for the true believers. There is nothing you can say to
change anything, and that fact is completely out of your hands.
Attack *policy.* Do not attack *faith.*
xxxx
The atheist is the antichrist in their eyes.
ANYTHING an atheist does that meddles in their affairs will be
immediately under vicious attack.
It's better to just leave them alone all together.
We would if they would. But they force us to use money with God on it,
force our kids to say the Pledge of Allegiance (which is against the
law, by the way), enforcing laws of marriage (a religious institution)
into the government, and many other things which impose religion on a
secular society.
At least that would be the civil thing to do but I know the militant
homosexual left wing atheist camp can't leave them alone and will surely
die out because of it for they don't believe in peaceful coexistence.
Christians fight to the bitter end and win.
Except that it is the Christians that can't leave well enough alone. I
refuse to surrender, I refuse to "leave them alone," and I refuse to do
the "civil thing" if they cannot be civil.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "SMITH29" |
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09 Aug 2005 11:32:56 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
news:XJednZHXwtujz2XfRVn-qA@cablespeedwa.com...
<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:drjgf1teo0k8kbjv81cnnvs848o556i4vg@4ax.com...
On 8 Aug 2005 22:44:04 -0700, "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus."
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
*****!
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
Disagree to an extent -- the GOP may be pandering to it, but that's not
where it's coming from. It's coming from Christian orthodoxy *just* like
the kind that excommunicated Galileo because he thought everyone should
know that Earth wasn't *the* center of the universe.
Same people who want to kill public education, and for the same reasons.
I don't know what astonishes me more -- the arrogance or the fear behind
it. They're both pretty fucking profound.
Jim
Damn, if you didn't hit it right on the head. But the country isn't "doomed"
just yet. The word "almost" would apply for right now. If we atheists quit
wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of philosophers, theologians, and
some scientists, and attack the "defined" God of right-wing evangelical
Christianity instead, we may "head em' off at the pass," so to speak. They
can be brought to their knees because they clearly state who and what God
is. The haven't a chance of "repudiating" their repugnant claims against
knowledgeable atheists and agnostics. Not a chance. Not in a million years.
By showing the rest of America just how ridiculous their claims regarding
"God" truly are (and in a militant way, I might add), we may be able to
impede their aggressive march to power. And by, "attacking." I mean going
after their inane doctrine of biblical inerrancy. Mainstream Christians
don't buy that. So by beating the religious right over the head with
falseness of their "teachings" more publicly, we might be able to neutralize
them to a reasonably high degree. (At least I hope so.) Right now, they
command the airwaves and the pulpits. Atheists and agnostics need to be more
aggressive in attacking them in the mainstream media. Let's see how these
Christian Nazis would like the preaching of "our" version of the "truth"
being spread across the nation? Methinks they wouldn't like it. But what are
they gonna do about it? Deny the truth?
Greywolf
xxxx
The Atheist Left Wing contingent doesn't have the
intelligence, fortitude, head count or the money to dent the
believers. All you will do is cause them to swell up against
you and the people are quite capable of warfare.
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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15 Aug 2005 12:51:27 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:32:56 -0700, SMITH29 <smith29@comcast.net>
wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote in message
news:XJednZHXwtujz2XfRVn-qA@cablespeedwa.com...
<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:drjgf1teo0k8kbjv81cnnvs848o556i4vg@4ax.com...
On 8 Aug 2005 22:44:04 -0700, "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus."
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
The poll also confirmed a trend that more Americans are now rejecting
the idea that we share a heritage with monkeys - a theory advanced by
supporters of evolution. In the most recent survey, 54 percent of
Americans reject the idea that we "evolved" from a simpler species.
This is up from 46 percent in a similar survey conducted in 1996 - an
eight percent increase!
*****!
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
Disagree to an extent -- the GOP may be pandering to it, but that's not
where it's coming from. It's coming from Christian orthodoxy *just* like
the kind that excommunicated Galileo because he thought everyone should
know that Earth wasn't *the* center of the universe.
Same people who want to kill public education, and for the same reasons.
I don't know what astonishes me more -- the arrogance or the fear behind
it. They're both pretty fucking profound.
Jim
Damn, if you didn't hit it right on the head. But the country isn't "doomed"
just yet. The word "almost" would apply for right now. If we atheists quit
wasting time attacking the "cerebral" God of philosophers, theologians, and
some scientists, and attack the "defined" God of right-wing evangelical
Christianity instead, we may "head em' off at the pass," so to speak. They
can be brought to their knees because they clearly state who and what God
is. The haven't a chance of "repudiating" their repugnant claims against
knowledgeable atheists and agnostics. Not a chance. Not in a million years.
By showing the rest of America just how ridiculous their claims regarding
"God" truly are (and in a militant way, I might add), we may be able to
impede their aggressive march to power. And by, "attacking." I mean going
after their inane doctrine of biblical inerrancy. Mainstream Christians
don't buy that. So by beating the religious right over the head with
falseness of their "teachings" more publicly, we might be able to neutralize
them to a reasonably high degree. (At least I hope so.) Right now, they
command the airwaves and the pulpits. Atheists and agnostics need to be more
aggressive in attacking them in the mainstream media. Let's see how these
Christian Nazis would like the preaching of "our" version of the "truth"
being spread across the nation? Methinks they wouldn't like it. But what are
they gonna do about it? Deny the truth?
Greywolf
xxxx
The Atheist Left Wing contingent doesn't have the
intelligence, fortitude, head count or the money to dent the
believers. All you will do is cause them to swell up against
you and the people are quite capable of warfare.
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I feel pretty confident that there are lots of right-wing atheists who
don't like the idea of spending tax money on the teaching of ID as
_science. Hell, there are even right-wing _Christians who hate that
idea.
P.S. If the right wing is "the people", and the left wing is just a
few misguided intellectuals and rebellious kids, how come the last two
US presidential elections have been so close? You would expect
something very different if "the people" were really solidly on the
right...
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "" |
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09 Aug 2005 11:37:09 AM |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:53:48 -0700, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote:
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
Disagree to an extent -- the GOP may be pandering to it, but that's not where
it's coming from. It's coming from Christian orthodoxy *just* like the kind
that excommunicated Galileo because he thought everyone should know that Earth
wasn't *the* center of the universe.
I disagree. Christian orthodoxy I don't believe can explain a shift of
8 percentage points. But people like Bonde and Whit who will pick it
up and argue for it simply because it is now party supported can.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: New Poll Reflects the Faith of Americans |
09 Aug 2005 09:26:50 PM |
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<retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hrmhf115qhgicor76svkp3enk6b8hqbtcs@4ax.com...
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:53:48 -0700, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote:
And you know that almost all of that shift is idiots who now believe
it because the GOP is pushing it. Party loyalty above common sense.
This country is doomed.
Disagree to an extent -- the GOP may be pandering to it, but that's not where
it's coming from. It's coming from Christian orthodoxy *just* like the kind
that excommunicated Galileo because he thought everyone should know that Earth
wasn't *the* center of the universe.
I disagree.
Intelligent people can.
Christian orthodoxy I don't believe can explain a shift of
8 percentage points. But people like Bonde and Whit who will pick it
up and argue for it simply because it is now party supported can.
I don't think we disagree all that much, and I may have misinterpreted your post
some. I never meant to imply that the shift came from Christians suddenly
embracing an idea they didn't used to. That much *was* entirely due to the GOP
pandering.
But if it weren't *for* that hard-right religio-loon core...
Jim
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