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New U.S. Plans for Nukes Hypocritical, Say Experts |
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/021304I.shtml
New U.S. Plans for Nukes Hypocritical, Say Experts
By Thalif Deen
Inter Press Services
Thursday 12 February 2004
Proposed new U.S. curbs on the proliferation of nuclear weapons are
fundamentally hypocritical, U.S. academics, military analysts and
peace activists said Wednesday.
UNITED NATIONS, Feb 11 (IPS) - "(U.S.) President George Bush
seems committed to writing a new chapter in the grotesque saga of
U.S. nuclear policy: 'do as we say, not as we do'," Norman Solomon,
executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, told IPS.
Solomon was responding to a major policy statement by Bush,
who told the National Defence University on Wednesday that
Washington plans to limit the number of nations permitted to
produce nuclear fuel, in its attempt to curb the spread of weapons
of mass destruction (WMD).
"We must confront the danger with open eyes and unbending
purpose," Bush said. "I've made clear to all the policy of this
nation: America will not permit the terrorists and dangerous
regimes to threaten us with the world's most dangerous weapons."
Solomon said that throughout the nuclear era, "the U.S.
president has claimed the right to play "nuclear God", proclaiming
which nations have a holy right to nuclear weapons, and which
nations would be guilty of a terrible sin by acquiring nuclear
weapons".
"But even the world's only superpower cannot force the nations
of the world to worship the edicts from Washington," said Solomon,
co-author of 'Killing our Own: the Disaster of America's Experience
with Atomic Radiation'.
Currently, there are five declared nuclear powers, all
permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- the United
States, Britain, France, China and Russia. The other three
countries known to possess nuclear weapons are India, Pakistan and
Israel. But U..S. intelligence believes that even North Korea has
successfully gone nuclear.
The Bush administration went to war with Iraq last March on
the grounds that it had nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.
But none have been found so far. The United States has also accused
Iran and Syria of developing WMD. Both countries have denied the
charge.
Last week the head of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme,
Abdul Qadeer Khan, confessed he helped transfer nuclear technology
to Libya. Last December, Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi publicly
proclaimed he was dismantling his proposed nuclear weapons
programmes.
"The Bush administration is being hypocritical by criticising
other countries for nuclear proliferation while it continues to
develop nuclear weapons of its own," says Natalie Goldring,
executive director of programmes on global security and disarmament
at the University of Maryland.
"Preventing further proliferation of nuclear weapons is a
vital national security. But the Bush administration has undermined
its credibility by pursuing new nuclear weapons programmes, and
moving towards resuming nuclear testing," Goldring told IPS.
She said the Pakistani network might be just the tip of the
iceberg. "President Bush is correct to devote more attention to
non-proliferation. But we also need to devote the financial
resources necessary to control nuclear weapons material. The Bush
administration has not done so," she added.
Francis A. Boyle, professor of international law at the
University of Illinois College of Law, told IPS the Bush
administration's "rank hypocrisy of nuclear non-proliferation"
could not be more apparent.
The United States, he said, is already in "material breach" of
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which says, "each of
the parties to the treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good
faith on effective measures relating to the cessation of the
nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and
on a treaty of general and complete disarmament under strict and
effective international control."
"The Bush administration also stands in anticipatory breach of
the so-called negative security assurances that the United States
government gave to the NPT non-nuclear weapons states, that it
would not use nuclear weapons against them in return for their
renewal and indefinite extension of the NPT," said Boyle, author of
'The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence.'
He said Bush had already ordered the Pentagon to target
several non-nuclear weapons states, a move that goes to the very
heart of the bargain behind the NPT.
Both Boyle and Solomon also pointed to the U.S.' double
standard in curbing nuclear weapons in the Arab world but ignoring
Israel's nuclear arsenal.
"In the Middle East, the big nuclear elephant in the living
room -- which Bush refuses to acknowledge as a problem -- is
Israel," said Solomon.
When former chief U.N. arms inspector Hans Blix arrived in
Baghdad in Nov 2002, he expressed hope for a "zone free of weapons
of mass destruction in the Middle East as a whole".
Solomon said Blix was referring to actions taken by the U.N.
Security Council after the 1991 Gulf War that acknowledged the need
for a nuclear-free zone for the entire region, including Iran and
Israel.
"The U.S. government cannot make a reasonable case as to why
it's OK for Israel to have a stockpile of about 200 nuclear
warheads but it's not OK for any other nation in the Middle East to
pursue nuclear weapons technology," he said.
"As for the U.S. government, it has arrogantly violated its
obligations under the (non-proliferation) treaty by not only
failing to work toward nuclear disarmament, but also by continuing
to develop even more technologically advanced nuclear weapons,
including the current push for 'bunker-busting' nuclear arms that
reflect ongoing Pentagon interest in using nuclear weapons for
war-fighting," he added.
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Critics and Criticism of US Worthless, Say Better People
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Jei <jei@okapi.hut.fi> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.58.0402131136540.10796@okapi.hut.fi>...
New U.S. Plans for Nukes Hypocritical, Say Experts
UNITED NATIONS, Feb 11 (IPS) - "(U.S.) President George Bush
seems committed to writing a new chapter in the grotesque saga of
U.S. nuclear policy: 'do as we say, not as we do'," Norman Solomon,
executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, told IPS.
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The United States, he said, is already in "material breach" of
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which says, "each of
"You can't say one thing and do another." - George W. Bush, 10/31/00
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"George" <_george@excite.com> wrote in message
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Jei <jei@okapi.hut.fi> wrote in message
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New U.S. Plans for Nukes Hypocritical, Say Experts
UNITED NATIONS, Feb 11 (IPS) - "(U.S.) President George Bush
seems committed to writing a new chapter in the grotesque saga of
U.S. nuclear policy: 'do as we say, not as we do'," Norman Solomon,
executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, told IPS.
...
The United States, he said, is already in "material breach" of
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which says, "each of
"You can't say one thing and do another." - George W. Bush, 10/31/00
Except say one thing and do another.
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13 Feb 2004 10:55:32 AM |
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Jei; There is a difference between honest, responsible countries and these
nitwit countries now acquiring these weapons.
I hope you never have to learn the difference.
"Jei" <jei@okapi.hut.fi> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.0402131136540.10796@okapi.hut.fi...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/021304I.shtml
New U.S. Plans for Nukes Hypocritical, Say Experts
By Thalif Deen
Inter Press Services
Thursday 12 February 2004
Proposed new U.S. curbs on the proliferation of nuclear weapons are
fundamentally hypocritical, U.S. academics, military analysts and
peace activists said Wednesday.
UNITED NATIONS, Feb 11 (IPS) - "(U.S.) President George Bush
seems committed to writing a new chapter in the grotesque saga of
U.S. nuclear policy: 'do as we say, not as we do'," Norman Solomon,
executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, told IPS.
Solomon was responding to a major policy statement by Bush,
who told the National Defence University on Wednesday that
Washington plans to limit the number of nations permitted to
produce nuclear fuel, in its attempt to curb the spread of weapons
of mass destruction (WMD).
"We must confront the danger with open eyes and unbending
purpose," Bush said. "I've made clear to all the policy of this
nation: America will not permit the terrorists and dangerous
regimes to threaten us with the world's most dangerous weapons."
Solomon said that throughout the nuclear era, "the U.S.
president has claimed the right to play "nuclear God", proclaiming
which nations have a holy right to nuclear weapons, and which
nations would be guilty of a terrible sin by acquiring nuclear
weapons".
"But even the world's only superpower cannot force the nations
of the world to worship the edicts from Washington," said Solomon,
co-author of 'Killing our Own: the Disaster of America's Experience
with Atomic Radiation'.
Currently, there are five declared nuclear powers, all
permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- the United
States, Britain, France, China and Russia. The other three
countries known to possess nuclear weapons are India, Pakistan and
Israel. But U..S. intelligence believes that even North Korea has
successfully gone nuclear.
The Bush administration went to war with Iraq last March on
the grounds that it had nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.
But none have been found so far. The United States has also accused
Iran and Syria of developing WMD. Both countries have denied the
charge.
Last week the head of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme,
Abdul Qadeer Khan, confessed he helped transfer nuclear technology
to Libya. Last December, Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi publicly
proclaimed he was dismantling his proposed nuclear weapons
programmes.
"The Bush administration is being hypocritical by criticising
other countries for nuclear proliferation while it continues to
develop nuclear weapons of its own," says Natalie Goldring,
executive director of programmes on global security and disarmament
at the University of Maryland.
"Preventing further proliferation of nuclear weapons is a
vital national security. But the Bush administration has undermined
its credibility by pursuing new nuclear weapons programmes, and
moving towards resuming nuclear testing," Goldring told IPS.
She said the Pakistani network might be just the tip of the
iceberg. "President Bush is correct to devote more attention to
non-proliferation. But we also need to devote the financial
resources necessary to control nuclear weapons material. The Bush
administration has not done so," she added.
Francis A. Boyle, professor of international law at the
University of Illinois College of Law, told IPS the Bush
administration's "rank hypocrisy of nuclear non-proliferation"
could not be more apparent.
The United States, he said, is already in "material breach" of
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which says, "each of
the parties to the treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good
faith on effective measures relating to the cessation of the
nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and
on a treaty of general and complete disarmament under strict and
effective international control."
"The Bush administration also stands in anticipatory breach of
the so-called negative security assurances that the United States
government gave to the NPT non-nuclear weapons states, that it
would not use nuclear weapons against them in return for their
renewal and indefinite extension of the NPT," said Boyle, author of
'The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence.'
He said Bush had already ordered the Pentagon to target
several non-nuclear weapons states, a move that goes to the very
heart of the bargain behind the NPT.
Both Boyle and Solomon also pointed to the U.S.' double
standard in curbing nuclear weapons in the Arab world but ignoring
Israel's nuclear arsenal.
"In the Middle East, the big nuclear elephant in the living
room -- which Bush refuses to acknowledge as a problem -- is
Israel," said Solomon.
When former chief U.N. arms inspector Hans Blix arrived in
Baghdad in Nov 2002, he expressed hope for a "zone free of weapons
of mass destruction in the Middle East as a whole".
Solomon said Blix was referring to actions taken by the U.N.
Security Council after the 1991 Gulf War that acknowledged the need
for a nuclear-free zone for the entire region, including Iran and
Israel.
"The U.S. government cannot make a reasonable case as to why
it's OK for Israel to have a stockpile of about 200 nuclear
warheads but it's not OK for any other nation in the Middle East to
pursue nuclear weapons technology," he said.
"As for the U.S. government, it has arrogantly violated its
obligations under the (non-proliferation) treaty by not only
failing to work toward nuclear disarmament, but also by continuing
to develop even more technologically advanced nuclear weapons,
including the current push for 'bunker-busting' nuclear arms that
reflect ongoing Pentagon interest in using nuclear weapons for
war-fighting," he added.
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| User: "Nes" |
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15 Feb 2004 08:51:34 AM |
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wrote:
Jei; There is a difference between honest, responsible countries and
these nitwit countries now acquiring these weapons.
<snip>
Sorry for breaking in. But which countries would that be, the ones that
are nitwits? If you were to ask the World today, the entire
international community of nations and peoples, they would by a large
majority point to the US and say, "There's the nitwit country that
threatens global termonuclear war over a toppled office complex! There's
the nation which uses it nuclear arsenal to openly and unashamedly bully
and threaten and coerce nations and peoples all over the World and which
acts like a rogue militaristic nation, in persuit of colonial conquest,
World hegemony, and hyper profits. There's the nation whose leaders and
governments think nothing of abrogating and breaking the international
treaties and obligations by which it is legally bound. This arrogant
nation which attempts to put itself forward as an enlightened ideal of
modern statehood, when it is in fact just a simple fascist regime of
civic oppression and extortionist policies? How dare that nation, its
people and governments, speak to the World in terms as were it some kind
of ethical paragon? This freak, this unsustainable social construct,
this blight on the collective wellbeing of humanity, this gross
over-consumer, and despoiler, this ever violent and destabilizing robber
capitalist burg of special corporate interests?"
Scripture has the right words for this mad inherent US belief by the
populous in the moral superiority of their own autocratic and
militaristic governments:
Jesus Christ: "Let he who is without blame cast the first stone."
Lk.6:37 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged."
Why can't US governments seem to grasp the simple fact that
international disarmament is only possible if ALL disarm at the same
time, multilaterally and verifiably? But I guess it's not really a
question of lacking cognizance. The US just wants the undemocratic,
foreign, anti-American, racially inferiour World out there to disarm, so
only the US will be left with usable nuclear weapons. Then the World
would be safe from nuclear war, US politicians imagine? Yeah, right!
People in Heroshima and Nagasaki would not know whether to laugh or cry.
Nes
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| User: "Steven Litvintchouk" |
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15 Feb 2004 06:37:43 PM |
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Nes wrote:
nshinede@columbus.rr.com wrote:
Jei; There is a difference between honest, responsible countries and
these nitwit countries now acquiring these weapons.
<snip>
Sorry for breaking in. But which countries would that be, the ones that
are nitwits? If you were to ask the World today, the entire
international community of nations and peoples, they would by a large
majority point to the US and say, "There's the nitwit country that
threatens global termonuclear war over a toppled office complex! There's
the nation which uses it nuclear arsenal to openly and unashamedly bully
and threaten and coerce nations and peoples all over the World and which
acts like a rogue militaristic nation, in persuit of colonial conquest,
World hegemony, and hyper profits.
Stop taking your history lessons from Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, and other
assorted Marxists. (History is not a morality play, despite what
Marxists think)
There's the nation whose leaders and
governments think nothing of abrogating and breaking the international
treaties and obligations by which it is legally bound. This arrogant
nation which attempts to put itself forward as an enlightened ideal of
modern statehood, when it is in fact just a simple fascist regime of
civic oppression and extortionist policies? How dare that nation, its
people and governments, speak to the World in terms as were it some kind
of ethical paragon?
Your full header shows that you are from Germany.
If so, given Germany's track record, you have NO RIGHT to diss the
United States from any claimed position of moral superiority.
Germany had one of the worst track records of imperialism, racism,
conquest, naked aggression, and genocide that the world has ever seen.
If anyone should be ashamed of their country's past, it's Germans.
This freak, this unsustainable social construct,
this blight on the collective wellbeing of humanity, this gross
over-consumer, and despoiler, this ever violent and destabilizing robber
capitalist burg of special corporate interests?"
Wow.
I think I can use you as my poster child for the type of criticism of
America I definitely consider to be "anti-American".
Your hatred of my country bids fair to compete with bin Laden's own.
-- Steven L.
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| User: "Nes" |
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18 Feb 2004 05:23:59 PM |
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Steven Litvintchouk wrote:
Nes wrote:
nshinede@columbus.rr.com wrote:
Jei; There is a difference between honest, responsible countries and
these nitwit countries now acquiring these weapons.
<snip>
Sorry for breaking in. But which countries would that be, the ones
that are nitwits? If you were to ask the World today, the entire
international community of nations and peoples, they would by a large
majority point to the US and say, "There's the nitwit country that
threatens global termonuclear war over a toppled office complex!
There's the nation which uses it nuclear arsenal to openly and
unashamedly bully and threaten and coerce nations and peoples all
over the World and which acts like a rogue militaristic nation, in
persuit of colonial conquest, World hegemony, and hyper profits.
Stop taking your history lessons from Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, and
other assorted Marxists. (History is not a morality play, despite
what Marxists think)
I shall take lessons from whomever I please, especially from those whose
analysis and understanding make historical, social, and political sense.
You are free to do the same, of course or, as can be summized from your
reply, most likely not. But if you can't sustain arguing on the base of
facts and historic evidence but prefer calling other nations and their
populations nitwits etc., I do strongly advice that you give up the
entire idea of debating on Usenet and find suitable companionship
amongst those secluded few you'll want to share your extremist
"opinions".
There's the nation whose leaders and
governments think nothing of abrogating and breaking the
international treaties and obligations by which it is legally bound.
This arrogant nation which attempts to put itself forward as an
enlightened ideal of modern statehood, when it is in fact just a
simple fascist regime of civic oppression and extortionist policies?
How dare that nation, its people and governments, speak to the World
in terms as were it some kind of ethical paragon?
Your full header shows that you are from Germany.
If so, given Germany's track record, you have NO RIGHT to diss the
United States from any claimed position of moral superiority.
Because my "header" shows something, I'm morally deficient in some way?
No, I guessed correctly before, you are not a serious person with
serious opinions, you are a diletante playing at grown-up debate. If I
may advise, go back to your play-pen or to your video game. Don't
attempt to bother other people with your hilarious ineptitudes from now
on.
Germany had one of the worst track records of imperialism, racism,
conquest, naked aggression, and genocide that the world has ever seen.
Isn't it a fine historic fact that the US has turned out to be such an
apt sourcerer's apprentice? State run propaganda, demonstration
democracy, fascism and corporatism etc. From rocketry to robotic
aircraft, from panzer divisions to full spectrum dominance etc. The US
inheritance from Nazi Germany are immense and pervasive, never more so
than at the current time.
If anyone should be ashamed of their country's past, it's Germans.
Are you really capable of human sentiment or are you bragging? The
latter I guess, because for a modicrum of humanity, compassion is a
must, and that you haven't got, for sure. You talking about feelings of
"shame" is as absurd as a blind man talking about colours!
This freak, this unsustainable social construct,
this blight on the collective wellbeing of humanity, this gross
over-consumer, and despoiler, this ever violent and destabilizing
robber capitalist burg of special corporate interests?"
Wow.
I think I can use you as my poster child for the type of criticism of
America I definitely consider to be "anti-American".
Since that is an idiotic opinion of serious ineptitude, I shall not
comment except ask you, from what part of the Americas do you originate?
Is you home somewhere on the American continents? And when you talk
about "America" to which nations of the many that exist there do you
refer?
Your hatred of my country bids fair to compete with bin Laden's own.
What is "your" country? One that isn't an international pariah? - one
that tries to fulfill its international obligations? - one that is
generous and helpful? - one that is peaceful? - one that is cooperative
and principled?
Nes
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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15 Feb 2004 04:56:00 PM |
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There is no "moral equivalence." The USA isn't equivalent to North
Korea, the former Hussein regime in Iraq, and so on. (Nor is Israel,
despite what appeals to the losers are made by Israel's genocidal
enemies.)
Dave Simpson
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