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Date: 23 Oct 2003 18:00:16 GMT
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Herman Goering, president of the Reichstag,
Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief:
"Naturally the common people don't want war:
Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood.
But, after all, it is the leaders of the country
who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter
to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy,
or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament,
or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce
the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--- Herman Goering (second in command to Adolf Hitler)
at the Nuremberg Trials
The Illuminati in America
By Svali with interviewer HJ Springer, Chief Editor CentrExNews.com
<centrex@looksmart.com>
Copyright © 2000 CentrExNews.com. All rights reserved.
http://educate-yourself.org/mcsvaliinterviewpt5.html
Part 5 - Illuminati - CIA Connection - Russia & China
Svali: I just want you and your readers to know that I
am NOT an Illuminati expert, nor do I want to be.
I am only a survivor who was part of this group,
in a lower management position locally. I did NOT rub
elbows with the rich and famous, although I heard about
things that occurred at higher levels (people do gossip
even in the cult, they're still human beings).
There are other people who have come out and disclosed.
I don't know them personally, but I have heard about them.
One is Brice Taylor, in California and North Carolina (she
lives part time in both places). Another is Neil Brick of
SmartNews, he seems to be very real and believable and a
nice person. Others are Caryn StarDancer, of Survivorship.org,
and Annie McKenna (I think she even wrote a book about her
experiences [ed. 'Paperclip Dolls'], it is quite good).
There are others, and if you go to the Suite101.com site,
there are links to resources and also survivor pages.
Survivorship.org also has links.
Some survivors have self-published their stories on the web,
to help the public know that this is going on. I am only one
person among many who has come out to talk about my experiences,
and my experiences are limited to what one person did in the
Washington, DC area and the San Diego, Ca. area between 1957
and 1995. A person who was doing their job at the time,
was very misguided, and who is now heartily sorry for the
things that I once participated in.
Q: How do survivors remain anonymous after seeking help?
Would the cult not go to extreme measures to find and
silence programmers or members that have left the cult? To
what ends would they go to shut you up?
A: At Suite 101, and in my book, I wrote a whole chapter
on staying safe. Here's the URL for the Suite 101 article:
Breaking Free of the Cult. It includes tips on staying safe.
Yes, they do try to recontact people who get out. The first
way they do this is through their family (remember they are
transgenerational). My mother told me to "come back or die"
four years ago, which triggered off lethal self destruct
programming inside (I believe she was counting on my coming
back, but she was wrong and I almost died. God spared my
life). I then had to go in and dismantle it all. When I left,
the head trainer was pretty arrogant. He had said I would be
dead within 6 months if I remembered, because "no one
could remember with what I put in her and live". Direct
quote from Jonathan M., head trainer, and I hope he reads
this article.
Second, a lot of people get abducted and reaccessed because
they : phone their perps, go out alone at night (you wouldn't
believe the stories I have heard from survivors who told
me they went out at 2 or 3 am to the store, alone, walking
down alleys. What were they thinking????).
I helped one survivor get out three years ago, she was being
harrassed by the group, and was fighting back, she literally
pulled a gun on a would-be abductor and he backed away
(he had his gun out) when she asked him, "and who of the
two of us do you think is the better shot?" She was an
expert marksman). She stayed with me for 6 months, and is free
of the group.
They usually do give up after awhile, and get tired of
trying to pull people back. I could never live in San Diego,
or DC, though. The chances of running into an old trainer or
someone I knew would be too great. Instead, having physical
distance (people in the cult in this state don't know me or
care about me one way or the other) helps. I also have tons of
accountability. These people like secrecy, and won't usually
act out in public if someone is with people who aren't part
of their group. I have heard of people being assassinated,
which is one reason that I don't go on T.V., or speak publicly.
I live very quietly and anonymously out here. MOST cult recontact
comes because the person recontacts, though.
The pull to go back is enormous at times, and has to be fought
a lot, especially in the first years. To find out why someone
would go back to their abusers, read my article on
"Trauma Bonding: The Pull to the Perpetrator" at Suite 101.
Q: I want to get back to the Illuminati's political agenda.
What is the connection between the CIA, FBI, and other secret
services and the cult? To what degree are they infiltrated?
And what is the real agenda of these secret services?
A: They are all infiltrated. I don't think everyone in these
groups are Illuminists, but a lot of the leadership is.
An example: my mother was friends with Sid Gottlieb,
who was part of the CIA. The farm I grew up on was only
about a half hour away from his home in Culpeper, Va. She
also knew the Dulles family. A lot of the researchers in
the CIA were part of it, and I visited Langley, Va. at
intervals growing up. MK-Ultra was funded in part with
Illuminati money. These people use the most sophisticated
mind control techniques on their members, believe me.
When I was in San Diego, human experimentation was still
going on. Jonathan and I were investigating the effects
of certain drugs on inducing trance states and assisting with
programming. We would take the data, and download it into a
database (oh, yes, the cult is very technologically sophisticated)
and then send it to Langley.
Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also
Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over german scientists after
WWII. Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their
own country, and they were welcomed with open arms by the
U.S. group. They also funnelled all information they were
learning to the Illuminati.
Q: I assume if the U.S. political, banking, and military
systems are all fairly well under Illuminati control this
would then also be true for Eastern Europe, Russia and other
communist bloc countries as well. What does this mean for
relations between the West-East axis? Was Russia, or the USSR
at the time, ever the adversary it was made out to be, and was
there a grand plan behind having Russia as an enemy?
A: Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded
by the Illuminati, and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism.
The Illluminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces,
in the pull between opposites. They see history as a complex chess
game, and they will fund one side, then another, while ultimately
out of the chaos and division ..., they are laughing because
they are ultimately beyond political parties. A top western
financier will secretly meet with an eastern or russian
"adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh at how
the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was
taught, and also observed.
When DELPHI met with ORACLE in Europe, (these are the head
training groups for the northern hemisphere and european
continents) the Russian, German, French, British, Canadian,
and US trainers all worked together. In fact, this is one
reason why plurality of linguality is valued in the Illuminati.
I had to learn six languages as a child, and learn to converse
with people from around the world. They are truly an
international group, and the group's agenda supercedes any
nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and
forth of members in these groups. A russian trainer might come
to the US for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa.
Q: China is starting to rattle their sabers and arming itself
with nuclear weapons which are pointing at U.S. cities. Is all
this occurring according to Illuminati agenda or is there still
a fairly large 'uncertainty, random or x-factor' involved that
is beyond the Illuminati's control?
A: I have been out for five years, so my information is "old news".
But the military buildup of China is part of their plan. There
are members of the group who are Asian, and very opportunistic.
The Oriental Mafia groups are very much linked to Illuminati
activity. The random factor in all of this is how the average
citizen reacts. It can't be predicted, although Illuminati
leadership will often invent different scenarios, and try to
decide how they will act if the ordinary citizens react in
an unexpected manner.
I was told that around 2020, the Illuminist agenda would be
revealed openly. I don't know if this is accurate, or just
propaganda that I was taught, or if they have changed this date
since I was in the group.
Q: Svali, earlier you were talking about mindcontrol victims
and survivors that have come forward with their stories and
publicised it. One of the more recent and high profile stories
is the one of Cathy O'Brian [see links at
http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/conspiracies/cathyandmark.html and
http://www.trance-formation.com/ ].
She seems to be more of a CIA mind control victim,
which still sound very much like your own story, in terms of
technology and technique. Do you think there could be an
Illuminati connection?
A: As I mentioned before, the CIA and the Illuminati are
definitely linked. The top leadership in the CIA are also
Illuminati leaders. I mentioned Dulles and Gottlieb as men I
knew personally as a child and young adult. The scientists
that ran the MK-Ultra and other governmental mind control
programs were Illuminists brought over from Nazi Germany.
That's why you will find that mind control victims ALWAYS
speak German or have a dissociated part that speaks with a
German accent; they are mimicking their abusers, which
is very very common.
You could say that the CIA and the Illuminati are hand in
glove companions. I know that the different Illuminati groups
around the US also send data on the experiments they do to
the central computer at Langley, Va. (oh, yes, human
experimentation and mind control experiments are still ongoing,
it didn't stop with WWII...).
"It's your money. You paid for it."
--- Adolph Bush, LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
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