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28 Jul 2007 11:43:11 AM |
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News from Neo-fascist Austria |
This just in from the country that held 67 year old historian David Irving
in solitary confinement for 400 days on the charge of Holocaust(tm) heresy.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2774335120070727?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true
VIENNA (Reuters) - State restrictions on use of the Internet have spread to
more than 20 countries that use catch-all and contradictory rules to help
keep people off line and stifle feared political opposition, a new report
says.
In "Governing the Internet", the Organisation for Security and Cooperation
in Europe (OSCE) presented case studies of Web censorship in Kazakhstan and
Georgia and referred to similar findings in nations from China to Iran,
Sudan and Belarus.
"Recent moves against free speech on the Internet in a number of countries
have provided a bitter reminder of the ease with which some regimes,
democracies and dictatorships alike, seek to suppress speech that they
disapprove of, dislike, or simply fear," the report by the 56-nation OSCE
said.
"Speaking out has never been easier than on the Web. Yet at the same time,
we are witnessing the spread of Internet censorship," the 212-page report
said.
In a new case not covered by the report, a senior Malaysian minister vowed
this week to apply law prescribing jail terms for Web writers of comments
said to disparage Islam or the king.
Malaysian police grilled one on-line author over postings the ruling party
described as an attack on the country's state religion and a bid to stir
racial tension.
In Kazakhstan, rules on Internet use are so vague and politicized that
they "allow for any interpretation ..., easily triggering Soviet-style 'spy
mania'" where any dissident individual or organisation could be branded a
threat to national well-being and silenced, according to the OSCE report.
It cited a prominent incident in 2005 when Kazakhstan seized all .kz
Internet domains and closed one deemed offensive and run by British
satirist Sacha Baron Cohen, who had made the acclaimed spoof film "Borat:
Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of
Kazakhstan".
In a speech to the OSCE parliament on Thursday, Kazakh Information Minister
Yermukhamet Yertysbayev insisted Kazakhstan was determined to build
democracy and create an "e-government" expanding Internet service and
making "our media more free, contemporary and independent".
The OSCE report said Kazakhstan's state monopoly on Internet providers
tended to deter use by making prices for all but very slow and limited
dial-up service far higher than those for West Europeans even though Kazakh
incomes are much lower.
Georgian law contained "contradictory and ill-defined" provisions which
might "give leverage for illegitimate limitation" of free expression on the
Internet, the report said.
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SSGG - When somebody talks of shutting them down, you get three hundred
thousand "1st amendment" types jumping to the guy's defense, giving you a
class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis University
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm
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| Title: Re: News from a neo-nazi Moronican |
28 Jul 2007 12:15:25 PM |
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On 28 Jul., 18:43, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
This just in from the country that held 67 year old historian David Irving
in solitary confinement for 400 days on the charge of Holocaust(tm) heresy.
<quote>http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2774335120070727?f...
VIENNA (Reuters) - State restrictions on use of the Internet have spread to
more than 20 countries that use catch-all and contradictory rules to help
keep people off line and stifle feared political opposition, a new report
says.
Care to tell me what this has to do with Austria, nazi boy?
The news is about the OSCE, an international organisation based in
Vienna and it has nothing to do with Austria, nazi turd.
As for "historian" Irving (to call him "historian" is like calling you
"intelligent"), what would have been Moronica's reaction if hate
speech and praise of national-socialism was tolerated and encouraged
in Germany and Austria?
I know you're only a dumb Moronican, but could you try to read a book
or two and try to think?
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| User: "Gallows Cheater" |
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| Title: Re: News from neo-facist Austria |
05 Aug 2007 01:02:26 PM |
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wrote:
On 28 Jul., 18:43, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
This just in from the country that held 67 year old historian David
Irving in solitary confinement for 400 days on the charge of
Holocaust(tm) heresy.
<quote>http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2774335120070727?f...
VIENNA (Reuters) - State restrictions on use of the Internet have spread
to more than 20 countries that use catch-all and contradictory rules to
help keep people off line and stifle feared political opposition, a new
report says.
Care to tell me what this has to do with Austria
Uh, perhaps it's the Vienna part?
, nazi boy?
The news is about the OSCE, an international organisation based in
Vienna and it has nothing to do with Austria, nazi turd.
As for "historian" Irving (to call him "historian" is like calling you
"intelligent"),
I am honored and flattered. Thank you.
what would have been Moronica's reaction if hate
speech and praise of national-socialism was tolerated and encouraged
in Germany and Austria?
I know you're only a dumb Moronican, but could you try to read a book
or two and try to think?
I got one here. Ever hear of a guy named Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander
Schrödinger? Something about Wave Mechanics?
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SSGG - When somebody talks of shutting them down, you get three hundred
thousand "1st amendment" types jumping to the guy's defense, giving you a
class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis University
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: Re: News from neo-facist Austria |
06 Aug 2007 06:48:41 PM |
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"We Have Ways of Shutting You Up!"
James Thurgood on characteristically one-sided democracy
"Reading the Jewish Chronicle (JC) is always instructive. Obtaining my
copy in my local newsagents is slightly embarrassing: people of 'the
faith' are numerous in my neighbourhood and when I step up to the
counter to pay there are often one or two of them queuing for the same
purpose. As they observe what I am buying, and then examine my person,
I can just imagine them muttering to themselves: "He doesn't look like
one of us!" One gentleman with a rather rabbinical appearance once
made so bold as to ask, with doubt in his eyes: "Are you Jewish?" I
replied negatively, of course. It then occurred to me to add,
mischievously: "I just believe in keeping an eye on them."
I could see the man's face crease into a frown, so thinking "In for a
penny, in for a pound," I went on to say: "You know, this is where you
get a lot of the real news - the sort you don't read in the ordinary
press."
I recalled that remark last month when wondering how the fraternity in
question were going to react to the rise of Jeorg Haider in Austria.
Actually,... Haider has been making a number of apologies lately - for
instance for daring once to say something complimentary about Hitler's
employment policies. Well, what's wrong with that?... the fact is that
he did put 6 million jobless Germans back to work in very quick time.
I believe anyway that politicians are almost always wrong to
apologise, and Herr Haider did not go up in my estimation on that
account.
But of course, it is always the perception of what a politician is,
rather than the reality, that determines attitudes towards him. Haider
is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as some kind of neo-nazi monster.
Hence my curiosity.
The way Haider's success was greeted in the Jewish Chronicle was of
great interest to me - but more because of what it told me about the
writers in that paper and their attitudes than what was said about
Haider himself.
The JC was in a not-unaccustomed dilemma. The paper, of course, stands
for the loftiest principles of 'democracy'. But has not Haider risen
to his present powerful position in Austrian politics by the
democratic vote of the people? You see the problem!
The JC leader (4th February) spoke first about the very rapid manner
in which the other member states of the European Union reached
agreement as to what their response was to be to the prospect of the
Haider party having places in the Austrian Government. "They served
notice," it said, "that any role for Mr. Haider's party would prompt
them drastically to downgrade ties with Austria. This would, among
other things, involve shelving bilateral exchanges with the Austrians,
curtailing political contacts with Austrian envoys in EU states, and
refusing to back Austrian candidates for posts in international
organisations."
To which the ordinary rational person would no doubt react by saying:
"So what?" It is doubtful that great numbers of Austrians will be
applying at their chemist's shops for additional sleeping tablets on
those accounts. But we should read a little further.
Generally approving this Europe-wide reaction, the JC also admitted
its snags, acknowledging that it might make Mr. Haider yet more
popular at home. Yet, the leader continued:-
"This does not mean the outside world should abruptly change course,
abandon its position of principle and take a softly-softly approach.
It does mean that the underlying principle must be patiently, publicly
and articulately explained. The aim - it must be made clear - is not
to seek to exclude Austria and its people from the EU or the world
family of nations, nor to question the right of voters to choose who
governs them. It is to define bedrock tenets with which the world
community hopes to build a 21st century on lessons learned from the
bigotry and murder that too often marked the 20th. To the extent
Austria chooses to include in its government a party rooted in an
opposing vision of both the past and the future, to continue business
as usual would be illogical, and immoral."
Sting in the tail
You have to be something of a JC-watcher - which I might extend by
saying a watcher of the entire liberal, New World Order-oriented press
- to see the not immediately clear message here. It lies in the last
two lines, and the operative word is 'business'. This, I suspect,
means much more than just business in the diplomatic sphere -
cross-border contacts, appointments to international offices, etc. It
looks very much as if it could mean actual trade and commerce. Is the
Jewish Chronicle leader giving the first hints of a planned economic
boycott?
To get a clue as to the answer to that question, we might turn to an
article on Page 31 of the same issue by John Diamond, who was much
more explicit.
Mr. Diamond, of course, believes too in the democratic freedoms -
well, almost but not quite. There is, you see, democracy and
democracy; it all depends for whom. He is, he begins by saying, "...a
fully paid-up member of the freedom-of-speech brigade." He continues:
"I spent my formative political years telling anyone who would listen
that it was Voltaire who cracked the one about disagreeing with what
you say but defending to the death your right to say it."
But, he goes on...
"...then along comes little Austria, a paid-up member of the European
Union, and announces that its equivalent of the Conservative Party is
in an uncomfortable colloquy with its ultra-right-wing Freedom Party,
with the result that any day now the erstwhile annexe to the
Fatherland might once again have N***s in government. OK: they're not
National Socialists in the scientific sense, perhaps, but when you
have a party which talks about Aryans, immigrants and bloodied soil in
the way some in the Freedom Party do, it's hardly worth splitting
hairs."
By now, Mr. Diamond is clearly anticipating some people disagreeing
with his drift. He has prepared for that; he has an answer:-
"But hold on, say the other side: what about democracy? If Jeorg
Haider's chums go into the government or even, God forbid, run the
government, it will be as a result of the democratic will of the
Austrian people. Equally, Austria was elected into the EU by what
passes for democracy in that institution. We can't just kick them out
because we don't like the people they elect to power."
Now Mr. Diamond is really in full flow, and the reader can almost
predict what's coming next. He does not disappoint:-
"It's perceived to be the same argument that we liberals use when we
say that, much as we despise the British National Party, we regard its
right to erect websites, hold bring-and-buy coffee mornings and
publish maniacal brochures about how the Jews control the world as
inviolable. But it's not the same argument at all."
Why isn't it? - the reader will naturally begin to ask. But that
reader obviously is not aware that people like Mr. Diamond make the
rules in these matters - or at least that is their presumption.
Homosexuals, even paedophiles, may use the net. So may the spokesmen
for the IRA and other terrorist groups; you will not find the John
Diamonds objecting to this. All sorts of organisations, in addition to
this, may publish tracts claiming that such-and-such control the
world: Catholics, freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses and little green men
from Mars. No problem! That's the freedom that Voltaire talked about,
and Mr. Diamond stoutly defends it. As he said, he's a fully paid-up
member of the freedom-of-speech brigade.
But when it comes to saying critical things about Mr. Diamond's own
people, that's different. You see the point?
'Dealing' with those Austrians
All this is building up to the most important thing that Mr. Diamond
wants to say. He has obviously been wrestling in his mind with the
question of how to say it, because he is aware of its contradictions.
He believes in democracy, as we have seen; but on the other hand some
democracy, for some people, just can't be allowed. So what are we to
do about Austria and Haider? Mr. Diamond has the answer:-
"...within the non-bellicose bounds of international diplomacy, we
have a limited armoury with which to deal with a party led by a
professed admirer of some of Hitler's policies. We have no right to
stop Haider saying such things, but we can say, in effect to Austria:-
" 'Elect whatever government you choose - that's your prerogative.
But, equally, it's our prerogative to stop trading with you, going to
your ski-runs, sending you our ambassadors or generally treating you
like civilised people. It's your loss, and the practical loss will be
greater than whatever gain you perceive there to be in sending a few
Turkish or East European immigrants home. Come back when you've
decided to stop being silly.'
"This is the way to deal with the nastier by-products of free speech.
It shouldn't, for instance, be necessary to pass laws to stop
right-wing fanatics from saying that evil Jews are taking over the
world. Simply make sure publishers know that, if they want to sell
such nonsense to true believers, they'll have problems selling other
books to the rest of us. Don't like a fascist website? There are
plenty of suppliers of Net facilities to the fascists who would lose
out if the rest of us stopped using their services."
Here, spelled out in as frank terms as we could wish for, is Mr.
Diamond's idea of how 'democracy' should work. It will be noted that
nowhere does he suggest that the arguments of people he thinks are
wrong should be countered in open and honest debate and proved, by
superior argument, to be fallacious. That, to most of us, is what
democracy has meant across the ages. But to Mr. Diamond? Oh no! In the
eyes of him and his ilk, it means something entirely different.
To him and his ilk, democracy means the right to suppress the views of
people you don't like by threats and intimidation - mainly economic
intimidation. Boycott their industries for a start! In Austria a big
industry is tourism. Very well, let's not visit their ski-slopes.
Where does this lead us? Shall we refuse to buy recordings made by the
Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra? Shall we refuse even to listen to
Mozart, Haydn, Schubert or Strauss? After all, Mr. Diamond has
suggested that we should not treat the Austrians - out of whose ranks
have come these immortal geniuses - like "civilised people."
And extending the issue beyond Austria, it is clear that Mr. Diamond
believes that Internet suppliers who hire facilities to those of whose
politics he disapproves should simply be closed down - not by an act
of law (that would be too blatant) - but by ruining them by boycott.
Booksellers and publishers? Same treatment! Make sure hardly anyone
buys their books and they'll fold up. Business is business!
This then seems to be the ideal of democracy believed in by Mr.
Diamond - and many like him. Perhaps it's all part of the "bedrock
tenets with which the world community hopes to build the 21st
century." We cannot say we haven't been told!"
Spearhead Online
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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