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23 Jan 2007 08:45:02 PM |
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Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends
Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:03pm ET
MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.
Ortega, a former Marxist guerrilla, has courted Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez and upgraded diplomatic ties to Cuba since winning an
election last November.
Concern in Washington was raised further when Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad paid a high-profile visit to Managua earlier this
month.
"We want relations with all the countries in the world, with all the
international community. What does that mean? No one can go around
telling us who to be friendly with," Ortega said.
The United States has a long history of intervention in Nicaragua and
sponsored right-wing Contra rebels who waged a civil war against
Ortega's Sandinista government in the 1980s.
Some 30,000 people died and Ortega was booted out of office in 1990 by
voters tired of the conflict.
"Never mind Iran, Nicaragua has been a victim of historical conflicts
with the United States," he told a news conference, citing a 19th
century battle against an American adventurer who tried to conquer
Central America.
Chavez, who told Washington on Sunday to "go to hell," gives cheap
fuel and fertilizer to Nicaragua and will build an oil refinery here.
Ortega said Venezuela will also aid Nicaragua, the second-poorest
country in the Western Hemisphere, to build a road link between its
Pacific and Caribbean coasts.
Nicaragua's transport minister said in an interview published on
Monday that the Venezuelan army will help construct around 310 miles
of road inland from the Caribbean port of Puerto Cabezas at a cost of
$350 million.
Ortega says he will not pull out of the Central American Free Trade
Agreement between regional countries and the United States but he
complained the pact was defective because Central America did not
negotiate it as one bloc.
Ortega was congratulated by President George W. Bush after his
election victory and insists he wants good relations with Washington,
despite criticizing the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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23 Jan 2007 08:52:38 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6rhdr2p6t87as1m1nkm59mmnb720282bks@4ax.com...
The president is speaking right now. Have some respect and shut and listen,
will you? Gheez..
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23 Jan 2007 10:26:08 PM |
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On Jan 23, 9:52 pm, "Mike Flannigan" <mflanni...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <dar...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in messagenews:6rhdr2p6t87as1m1nkm59mmnb720282bks@4ax.com...
The president is speaking right now. Have some respect and shut and listen,
will you? Gheez..
Ummm, right...but here you are posting anyway.
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| User: "Scotius" |
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24 Jan 2007 05:49:01 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:45:02 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends
Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:03pm ET
MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.
I used to wonder why Bush let them get away with hanging onto
power. It seemed that the Contras were on the verge of winning. Of
course, I don't believe the Contras were "the good guys", but I don't
believe the Sandinistas were either. I just wonder why he quit
supporting the resistance and let Violetta Chamorro allow the
communists to hold many positions of power.
Ortega's brother retained control of the military, and
Chamorro didn't seem to mind at all. There were a lot of Contras who
were not pleased with the results of the "transition to democracy", or
whatever they were calling it then.
I think the US intelligence establishment at the time probably
thought the communists would be even more abusive after having been
denied much of their former power, and thought they'd be able to
generate a lot of support for an invasion, or for resupporting the
Contras.
Ortega, a former Marxist guerrilla, has courted Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez and upgraded diplomatic ties to Cuba since winning an
election last November.
Concern in Washington was raised further when Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad paid a high-profile visit to Managua earlier this
month.
"We want relations with all the countries in the world, with all the
international community. What does that mean? No one can go around
telling us who to be friendly with," Ortega said.
The United States has a long history of intervention in Nicaragua and
sponsored right-wing Contra rebels who waged a civil war against
Ortega's Sandinista government in the 1980s.
Some 30,000 people died and Ortega was booted out of office in 1990 by
voters tired of the conflict.
"Never mind Iran, Nicaragua has been a victim of historical conflicts
with the United States," he told a news conference, citing a 19th
century battle against an American adventurer who tried to conquer
Central America.
Chavez, who told Washington on Sunday to "go to hell," gives cheap
fuel and fertilizer to Nicaragua and will build an oil refinery here.
Ortega said Venezuela will also aid Nicaragua, the second-poorest
country in the Western Hemisphere, to build a road link between its
Pacific and Caribbean coasts.
Nicaragua's transport minister said in an interview published on
Monday that the Venezuelan army will help construct around 310 miles
of road inland from the Caribbean port of Puerto Cabezas at a cost of
$350 million.
Ortega says he will not pull out of the Central American Free Trade
Agreement between regional countries and the United States but he
complained the pact was defective because Central America did not
negotiate it as one bloc.
Very much in line with globalist thinking at this point. They
think Canada, the US, and Mexico should be one country, and South
America and the Caribbean one country. The German diplomat I heard
that comment from didn't say anything about Central America, so I
presume they figure it will not have it's own control.
Ortega was congratulated by President George W. Bush after his
election victory and insists he wants good relations with Washington,
despite criticizing the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
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24 Jan 2007 08:48:49 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:49:01 -0500, Scotius <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:45:02 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends
Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:03pm ET
MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.
I used to wonder why Bush let them get away with hanging onto
power. It seemed that the Contras were on the verge of winning. Of
course, I don't believe the Contras were "the good guys", but I don't
believe the Sandinistas were either. I just wonder why he quit
supporting the resistance and let Violetta Chamorro allow the
communists to hold many positions of power.
Ortega's brother retained control of the military, and
Chamorro didn't seem to mind at all. There were a lot of Contras who
were not pleased with the results of the "transition to democracy", or
whatever they were calling it then.
I think the US intelligence establishment at the time probably
thought the communists would be even more abusive after having been
denied much of their former power, and thought they'd be able to
generate a lot of support for an invasion, or for resupporting the
Contras.
Ortega, a former Marxist guerrilla, has courted Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez and upgraded diplomatic ties to Cuba since winning an
election last November.
Concern in Washington was raised further when Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad paid a high-profile visit to Managua earlier this
month.
"We want relations with all the countries in the world, with all the
international community. What does that mean? No one can go around
telling us who to be friendly with," Ortega said.
The United States has a long history of intervention in Nicaragua and
sponsored right-wing Contra rebels who waged a civil war against
Ortega's Sandinista government in the 1980s.
Some 30,000 people died and Ortega was booted out of office in 1990 by
voters tired of the conflict.
"Never mind Iran, Nicaragua has been a victim of historical conflicts
with the United States," he told a news conference, citing a 19th
century battle against an American adventurer who tried to conquer
Central America.
Chavez, who told Washington on Sunday to "go to hell," gives cheap
fuel and fertilizer to Nicaragua and will build an oil refinery here.
Ortega said Venezuela will also aid Nicaragua, the second-poorest
country in the Western Hemisphere, to build a road link between its
Pacific and Caribbean coasts.
Nicaragua's transport minister said in an interview published on
Monday that the Venezuelan army will help construct around 310 miles
of road inland from the Caribbean port of Puerto Cabezas at a cost of
$350 million.
Ortega says he will not pull out of the Central American Free Trade
Agreement between regional countries and the United States but he
complained the pact was defective because Central America did not
negotiate it as one bloc.
Very much in line with globalist thinking at this point. They
think Canada, the US, and Mexico should be one country, and South
America and the Caribbean one country. The German diplomat I heard
that comment from didn't say anything about Central America, so I
presume they figure it will not have it's own control.
Ortega was congratulated by President George W. Bush after his
election victory and insists he wants good relations with Washington,
despite criticizing the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
Central America can have Mexico.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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26 Jan 2007 12:00:36 PM |
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Scotius wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:45:02 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends
Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:03pm ET
MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.
I used to wonder why Bush let them get away with hanging onto
power.
There's the American dedication to democracy and self-determination
for ya,
It seemed that the Contras were on the verge of winning. Of
course, I don't believe the Contras were "the good guys",
They were a bunch of thugs and terrorists.Most had been muscle for the
Somoza dictatorship.
but I don't
believe the Sandinistas were either.
Ah, but they were the duly elected gov't of Nicaragua.
I just wonder why he quit
supporting the resistance and let Violetta Chamorro allow the
communists to hold many positions of power.
The communists were a small, insignificant party.
Ortega's brother retained control of the military,
And they never attacked Texas!
and
Chamorro didn't seem to mind at all. There were a lot of Contras who
were not pleased with the results of the "transition to democracy", or
whatever they were calling it then.
They wanted their dictator back.
I think the US intelligence establishment at the time probably
thought the communists would be even more abusive after having been
denied much of their former power, and thought they'd be able to
generate a lot of support for an invasion, or for resupporting the
Contras.
Right wingers hate democracy.
--Jeff
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I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz
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24 Jan 2007 09:17:59 PM |
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Scotius wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:45:02 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends
Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:03pm ET
MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.
I used to wonder why Bush let them get away with hanging onto
power. It seemed that the Contras were on the verge of winning. Of
course, I don't believe the Contras were "the good guys", but I don't
believe the Sandinistas were either. I just wonder why he quit
supporting the resistance and let Violetta Chamorro allow the
communists to hold many positions of power.
Ortega's brother retained control of the military, and
Chamorro didn't seem to mind at all. There were a lot of Contras who
were not pleased with the results of the "transition to democracy", or
whatever they were calling it then.
I think the US intelligence establishment at the time probably
thought the communists would be even more abusive after having been
denied much of their former power, and thought they'd be able to
generate a lot of support for an invasion, or for resupporting the
Contras.
It was because the Iran Contra investigation thwarted and POTUS
intervention. And look what happened. The people voted, and voted
Ortega out of office. That's a good indicator that Pappy Bush's
policies were not that spot-on to begin with.
Ortega, a former Marxist guerrilla, has courted Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez and upgraded diplomatic ties to Cuba since winning an
election last November.
Concern in Washington was raised further when Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad paid a high-profile visit to Managua earlier this
month.
"We want relations with all the countries in the world, with all the
international community. What does that mean? No one can go around
telling us who to be friendly with," Ortega said.
The United States has a long history of intervention in Nicaragua and
sponsored right-wing Contra rebels who waged a civil war against
Ortega's Sandinista government in the 1980s.
Some 30,000 people died and Ortega was booted out of office in 1990 by
voters tired of the conflict.
"Never mind Iran, Nicaragua has been a victim of historical conflicts
with the United States," he told a news conference, citing a 19th
century battle against an American adventurer who tried to conquer
Central America.
Chavez, who told Washington on Sunday to "go to hell," gives cheap
fuel and fertilizer to Nicaragua and will build an oil refinery here.
Ortega said Venezuela will also aid Nicaragua, the second-poorest
country in the Western Hemisphere, to build a road link between its
Pacific and Caribbean coasts.
Nicaragua's transport minister said in an interview published on
Monday that the Venezuelan army will help construct around 310 miles
of road inland from the Caribbean port of Puerto Cabezas at a cost of
$350 million.
Ortega says he will not pull out of the Central American Free Trade
Agreement between regional countries and the United States but he
complained the pact was defective because Central America did not
negotiate it as one bloc.
Very much in line with globalist thinking at this point. They
think Canada, the US, and Mexico should be one country, and South
America and the Caribbean one country. The German diplomat I heard
that comment from didn't say anything about Central America, so I
presume they figure it will not have it's own control.
Ortega was congratulated by President George W. Bush after his
election victory and insists he wants good relations with Washington,
despite criticizing the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
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23 Jan 2007 10:14:18 PM |
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from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
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24 Jan 2007 12:21:35 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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24 Jan 2007 10:06:47 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
--Jeff
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I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz
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24 Jan 2007 02:57:53 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
--Jeff
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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24 Jan 2007 07:36:13 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
It's a funny list, though. Bolivia only recently elected a "leftist"
president, it was the policies of his predecessors that are responsible
for the current state of their economy. China's economics are quite
capitalist. As for Burma:
BRUSSELS (October 28 2002) -- On 28 October, on behalf of the Global
Unions Group, the ICFTU is releasing a new database of over 325 foreign
companies with business links to Burma -- links that help to sustain the
brutal and repressive dictatorship in that country.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4694
Then again, we can discuss Argentina's economic collapse under
neo-liberal World Bank policies, or the fact that India dropped a
couple places in standard of living under their previous gov't's
neo-liberal regimen.
--Jeff
--
I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz
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24 Jan 2007 08:47:02 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:36:13 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
It's a funny list, though. Bolivia only recently elected a "leftist"
president, it was the policies of his predecessors that are responsible
for the current state of their economy. China's economics are quite
capitalist. As for Burma:
Bolivia has the bad luck of being a landlocked country that is divided
between high rugged mountains and steaming jungle. What resources the
country posses are remote and difficult to exploit. Regardless of the
government type Bolivia will remain one of the poorest places in the
western hemisphere.
China is kinda of working for about 20% of the population and the
elites. The hinterlands are little changed sense the time on the Ming
Dynasty.
BRUSSELS (October 28 2002) -- On 28 October, on behalf of the Global
Unions Group, the ICFTU is releasing a new database of over 325 foreign
companies with business links to Burma -- links that help to sustain the
brutal and repressive dictatorship in that country.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4694
Then again, we can discuss Argentina's economic collapse under
neo-liberal World Bank policies, or the fact that India dropped a
couple places in standard of living under their previous gov't's
neo-liberal regimen.
India must be doing well. I seem to have one or two folks from India
calling me every day.
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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24 Jan 2007 09:25:40 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
India must be doing well. I seem to have one or two folks from India
calling me every day.
ring...ring..."Hello."
"Cap'n, this is Ramjan Chattergee. If you don't pay your bill you're
interest will rise to 47% in two days."
"Talk to my lawyer...Usamma al Jeezera." plonk.
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
25 Jan 2007 09:27:40 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:36:13 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
It's a funny list, though. Bolivia only recently elected a "leftist"
president, it was the policies of his predecessors that are responsible
for the current state of their economy. China's economics are quite
capitalist. As for Burma:
Bolivia has the bad luck of being a landlocked country that is divided
between high rugged mountains and steaming jungle. What resources the
country posses are remote and difficult to exploit. Regardless of the
government type Bolivia will remain one of the poorest places in the
western hemisphere.
We'll see, but nice of you to admit that things aren't as simplistic as
your original list was meant to show.
China is kinda of working for about 20% of the population and the
elites. The hinterlands are little changed sense the time on the Ming
Dynasty.
It should be a capitalist paradise soon, no? ;)
BRUSSELS (October 28 2002) -- On 28 October, on behalf of the Global
Unions Group, the ICFTU is releasing a new database of over 325 foreign
companies with business links to Burma -- links that help to sustain the
brutal and repressive dictatorship in that country.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4694
Then again, we can discuss Argentina's economic collapse under
neo-liberal World Bank policies, or the fact that India dropped a
couple places in standard of living under their previous gov't's
neo-liberal regimen.
India must be doing well. I seem to have one or two folks from India
calling me every day.
One or two out of a billion who are working in call centers all night
indicate "doing well"?
--Jeff
--
I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
25 Jan 2007 11:01:33 AM |
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:27:40 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:36:13 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
It's a funny list, though. Bolivia only recently elected a "leftist"
president, it was the policies of his predecessors that are responsible
for the current state of their economy. China's economics are quite
capitalist. As for Burma:
Bolivia has the bad luck of being a landlocked country that is divided
between high rugged mountains and steaming jungle. What resources the
country posses are remote and difficult to exploit. Regardless of the
government type Bolivia will remain one of the poorest places in the
western hemisphere.
We'll see, but nice of you to admit that things aren't as simplistic as
your original list was meant to show.
My original list contained Communist ***** holes. You discussion
broadened the discussion to other places.
China is kinda of working for about 20% of the population and the
elites. The hinterlands are little changed sense the time on the Ming
Dynasty.
It should be a capitalist paradise soon, no? ;)
Too many people not enough resources.
BRUSSELS (October 28 2002) -- On 28 October, on behalf of the Global
Unions Group, the ICFTU is releasing a new database of over 325 foreign
companies with business links to Burma -- links that help to sustain the
brutal and repressive dictatorship in that country.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4694
Then again, we can discuss Argentina's economic collapse under
neo-liberal World Bank policies, or the fact that India dropped a
couple places in standard of living under their previous gov't's
neo-liberal regimen.
India must be doing well. I seem to have one or two folks from India
calling me every day.
One or two out of a billion who are working in call centers all night
indicate "doing well"?
:)
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
26 Jan 2007 11:26:02 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:27:40 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:36:13 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
It's a funny list, though. Bolivia only recently elected a "leftist"
president, it was the policies of his predecessors that are responsible
for the current state of their economy. China's economics are quite
capitalist. As for Burma:
Bolivia has the bad luck of being a landlocked country that is divided
between high rugged mountains and steaming jungle. What resources the
country posses are remote and difficult to exploit. Regardless of the
government type Bolivia will remain one of the poorest places in the
western hemisphere.
We'll see, but nice of you to admit that things aren't as simplistic as
your original list was meant to show.
My original list contained Communist ***** holes. You discussion
broadened the discussion to other places.
Because you cherry-picked your data.
China is kinda of working for about 20% of the population and the
elites. The hinterlands are little changed sense the time on the Ming
Dynasty.
It should be a capitalist paradise soon, no? ;)
Too many people not enough resources.
You mean because they're lending #300+ billion a year to the U.S.?
BRUSSELS (October 28 2002) -- On 28 October, on behalf of the Global
Unions Group, the ICFTU is releasing a new database of over 325 foreign
companies with business links to Burma -- links that help to sustain the
brutal and repressive dictatorship in that country.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4694
Then again, we can discuss Argentina's economic collapse under
neo-liberal World Bank policies, or the fact that India dropped a
couple places in standard of living under their previous gov't's
neo-liberal regimen.
India must be doing well. I seem to have one or two folks from India
calling me every day.
One or two out of a billion who are working in call centers all night
indicate "doing well"?
:)
Exactly.
--Jeff
--
I believe I found the missing link between animal
and civilized man. It is us. -Konrad Lorenz
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
26 Jan 2007 01:39:05 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:26:02 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:27:40 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:36:13 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
from the captain:
"MANAGUA (Reuters) - Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, a U.S. foe
from the Cold War who is now back in office, told Washington on Monday
that it cannot stop him forming alliances with anti-U.S. leaders in
Iran, Cuba and Venezuela..."
___________________________________
Does anyone seriously doubt this man, Ortega, is a loon?
Without an external threat to complain about, Danny Boy is just another
old-time, semi-retarded, Marxist commie without anyone to make him look
important.
Nobody in Washington said anything about stopping this nut job from forming
all the alliances with his anti-US dictator pals he wants. In fact, he can
choke on all his alliances for all we care.
One thing for sure about dictators. Sooner or later, they all go bananas and
get paranoid enough to start wars with one another, or liberate their
neighbors.
Who will it be this time? Honduras, El Salvador, again, or Costa Rica. The
peaceniks got Costa Rica to do away with an army, so my bet would be Costa
Rica.
Whatever, the folks of Nicaragua are in for another ride of their lives and
when they have had enough, maybe this time they will retire Danny Boy
permanently.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Block it was important the keep
these small Central and South American countries from becoming
Communist. Now it makes little difference. Being a Soviet stooge could
get you stuff an attention at the UN. Communism is now merely a fast
track to poverty.
Communist Countries Per Capita GDP
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Communist Wanna Bees
Venezuela $6,900
Bolivia $3,000
Nicaragua $3,000
For contrast Mexico $9,100
Where do Burma and Haiti fit in? What about measures like literacy,
health care and longevity? And per capita GDP doesn't mean much, if
you look at Equitorial Guinea.
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
It's a funny list, though. Bolivia only recently elected a "leftist"
president, it was the policies of his predecessors that are responsible
for the current state of their economy. China's economics are quite
capitalist. As for Burma:
Bolivia has the bad luck of being a landlocked country that is divided
between high rugged mountains and steaming jungle. What resources the
country posses are remote and difficult to exploit. Regardless of the
government type Bolivia will remain one of the poorest places in the
western hemisphere.
We'll see, but nice of you to admit that things aren't as simplistic as
your original list was meant to show.
My original list contained Communist ***** holes. You discussion
broadened the discussion to other places.
Because you cherry-picked your data.
Well there isn't really all that many Communist countries any more. I
used:
China $7,600
Cuba $3,900
Vietnam $3,100
Laos $2,100
North Korea $1,800
Did I miss some? Please let me know and I will include them.
China is kinda of working for about 20% of the population and the
elites. The hinterlands are little changed sense the time on the Ming
Dynasty.
It should be a capitalist paradise soon, no? ;)
Too many people not enough resources.
You mean because they're lending #300+ billion a year to the U.S.?
BRUSSELS (October 28 2002) -- On 28 October, on behalf of the Global
Unions Group, the ICFTU is releasing a new database of over 325 foreign
companies with business links to Burma -- links that help to sustain the
brutal and repressive dictatorship in that country.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4694
Then again, we can discuss Argentina's economic collapse under
neo-liberal World Bank policies, or the fact that India dropped a
couple places in standard of living under their previous gov't's
neo-liberal regimen.
India must be doing well. I seem to have one or two folks from India
calling me every day.
One or two out of a billion who are working in call centers all night
indicate "doing well"?
:)
Exactly.
--Jeff
--
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
26 Jan 2007 07:53:48 PM |
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In article <rugfr2dfm856936kv2lvjnqmemba3ubpln@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
The wealth of a country should not be measured in dollars or other
currency because exchange rates skew the picture.
Measure it in terms of the ratio of people who have more than enough
food, housing, medicine, transportation and freedom to people who do
not have enough.
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26 Jan 2007 09:24:49 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:53:48 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <rugfr2dfm856936kv2lvjnqmemba3ubpln@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Burma is more of military dictatorship. Haiti is chaotic. Both have
GDP per capita of under $2,000. Equatorial Guinea is a very small
African kleptocracy with lots of oil. The per capita GDP only displays
potential. If the government or an elite own all the resources and
fails to share with the people or steals all the money in taxes then
actual effect is blunted.
The wealth of a country should not be measured in dollars or other
currency because exchange rates skew the picture.
Measure it in terms of the ratio of people who have more than enough
food, housing, medicine, transportation and freedom to people who do
not have enough.
"Enough" would be a subjective value.
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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27 Jan 2007 10:24:32 AM |
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In article <29hlr2931mp06o8tp7erfndj3osfnqvpn3@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:53:48 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
The wealth of a country should not be measured in dollars or other
currency because exchange rates skew the picture.
Measure it in terms of the ratio of people who have more than enough
food, housing, medicine, transportation and freedom to people who do
not have enough.
"Enough" would be a subjective value.
It can be, but one can define objective standards as well. For food,
one could define "enough" in terms of calories per day without
interruption of availability. For housing, "enough" can be defined in
square feet per person. For transportation, "enough" means that you can
at least get to work and to sources of food and medicine on a daily
basis. For medicine, "enough" means that you do not get sick or die due
to lack of available medical care that you can afford. In terms of
freedom, enough means that the government doesn't tell you where you
can go or what you can do until these choices harm or endanger others,
and then it has to prove its case against you.
If you use these sorts of measures, you get a clearer picture of which
people are poor and which are not than if you were to compare income in
dollars, because the cost of basic items varies drastically between
countries, or even between different parts of the same country.
Regarding medical care, enough is very individual, because sick people
need a lot more.
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27 Jan 2007 11:26:18 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:24:32 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <29hlr2931mp06o8tp7erfndj3osfnqvpn3@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:53:48 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
The wealth of a country should not be measured in dollars or other
currency because exchange rates skew the picture.
Measure it in terms of the ratio of people who have more than enough
food, housing, medicine, transportation and freedom to people who do
not have enough.
"Enough" would be a subjective value.
It can be, but one can define objective standards as well. For food,
one could define "enough" in terms of calories per day without
interruption of availability. For housing, "enough" can be defined in
square feet per person. For transportation, "enough" means that you can
at least get to work and to sources of food and medicine on a daily
basis. For medicine, "enough" means that you do not get sick or die due
to lack of available medical care that you can afford. In terms of
freedom, enough means that the government doesn't tell you where you
can go or what you can do until these choices harm or endanger others,
and then it has to prove its case against you.
If you use these sorts of measures, you get a clearer picture of which
people are poor and which are not than if you were to compare income in
dollars, because the cost of basic items varies drastically between
countries, or even between different parts of the same country.
Regarding medical care, enough is very individual, because sick people
need a lot more.
All things being equal.
The per capita GDP for the world is around $10,000 or slightly higher
than that of Mexico. Any sort of grand distributionist plan would
sorely punish that 1/2 of the world population that is best organized
and best armed.
Any needs based plan is doomed to failure because in humans need will
always outstrip the ability to create wealth.
The threshold of what must be considered a crime against others would
have to be quite low and the government infrastructure that is
necessary to control behavior quite high. I'm sure that many of the
five year plans of the former Soviet Union took some of these kind of
measures into account and as we know now they led always to less
freedom and more poverty.
As a general rule humans will always need more than they have
regardless of whether they live in a mud hut in Africa or a mansion in
Beverly Hills. That's why humans progress.
THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only
equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody
was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody
else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this
equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the
Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United
States Handicapper General. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
27 Jan 2007 08:24:07 PM |
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In article <ao0nr2lo6b01pm9lib95fqacbtqm4jaeeo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:24:32 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
"Enough" would be a subjective value.
It can be, but one can define objective standards as well. For food,
one could define "enough" in terms of calories per day without
interruption of availability. For housing, "enough" can be defined in
square feet per person. For transportation, "enough" means that you can
at least get to work and to sources of food and medicine on a daily
basis. For medicine, "enough" means that you do not get sick or die due
to lack of available medical care that you can afford. In terms of
freedom, enough means that the government doesn't tell you where you
can go or what you can do until these choices harm or endanger others,
and then it has to prove its case against you.
If you use these sorts of measures, you get a clearer picture of which
people are poor and which are not than if you were to compare income in
dollars, because the cost of basic items varies drastically between
countries, or even between different parts of the same country.
Regarding medical care, enough is very individual, because sick people
need a lot more.
All things being equal.
The per capita GDP for the world is around $10,000 or slightly higher
than that of Mexico. Any sort of grand distributionist plan would
sorely punish that 1/2 of the world population that is best organized
and best armed.
Any needs based plan is doomed to failure because in humans need will
always outstrip the ability to create wealth.
I have no grand distribution plan in mind. I was simply pointing out
that judging poverty by dollars can be misleading. It is best judged by
what resources are available to people. People in poor countries may be
getting by just fine on far fewer dollars than would be the case if they
had to live on those same dollars in the United States, for instance.
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| Title: Re: Nicaragua's Ortega tells U.S.: We'll pick own friends |
27 Jan 2007 09:32:32 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:24:07 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <ao0nr2lo6b01pm9lib95fqacbtqm4jaeeo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:24:32 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
"Enough" would be a subjective value.
It can be, but one can define objective standards as well. For food,
one could define "enough" in terms of calories per day without
interruption of availability. For housing, "enough" can be defined in
square feet per person. For transportation, "enough" means that you can
at least get to work and to sources of food and medicine on a daily
basis. For medicine, "enough" means that you do not get sick or die due
to lack of available medical care that you can afford. In terms of
freedom, enough means that the government doesn't tell you where you
can go or what you can do until these choices harm or endanger others,
and then it has to prove its case against you.
If you use these sorts of measures, you get a clearer picture of which
people are poor and which are not than if you were to compare income in
dollars, because the cost of basic items varies drastically between
countries, or even between different parts of the same country.
Regarding medical care, enough is very individual, because sick people
need a lot more.
All things being equal.
The per capita GDP for the world is around $10,000 or slightly higher
than that of Mexico. Any sort of grand distributionist plan would
sorely punish that 1/2 of the world population that is best organized
and best armed.
Any needs based plan is doomed to failure because in humans need will
always outstrip the ability to create wealth.
I have no grand distribution plan in mind. I was simply pointing out
that judging poverty by dollars can be misleading. It is best judged by
what resources are available to people. People in poor countries may be
getting by just fine on far fewer dollars than would be the case if they
had to live on those same dollars in the United States, for instance.
Don't disagree with this however we are now in the era of rising
expectations.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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28 Jan 2007 02:20:20 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:32:32 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
I have no grand distribution plan in mind. I was simply pointing out
that judging poverty by dollars can be misleading. It is best judged by
what resources are available to people. People in poor countries may be
getting by just fine on far fewer dollars than would be the case if they
had to live on those same dollars in the United States, for instance.
Don't disagree with this however we are now in the era of rising
expectations.
We're always in an era of rising expectations. The difference is who.
Swill
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"Where mistakes have been made,
the responsibility rests with me."
George Bush - 1/10/2007
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28 Jan 2007 12:04:49 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:20:20 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:32:32 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
I have no grand distribution plan in mind. I was simply pointing out
that judging poverty by dollars can be misleading. It is best judged by
what resources are available to people. People in poor countries may be
getting by just fine on far fewer dollars than would be the case if they
had to live on those same dollars in the United States, for instance.
Don't disagree with this however we are now in the era of rising
expectations.
We're always in an era of rising expectations. The difference is who.
In the days when communications was measured in how far a man could
walk in a day or ride a horse this was not so. Now there are cell
phones and satellite TV. Even folks in mud huts know about Paris
Hilton.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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28 Jan 2007 02:12:24 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:26:18 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
The per capita GDP for the world is around $10,000 or slightly higher
than that of Mexico. Any sort of grand distributionist plan would
sorely punish that 1/2 of the world population that is best organized
and best armed.
Half the people have way more than half the money.
Swill
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"Where mistakes have been made,
the responsibility rests with me."
George Bush - 1/10/2007
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28 Jan 2007 12:01:17 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:12:24 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:26:18 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
The per capita GDP for the world is around $10,000 or slightly higher
than that of Mexico. Any sort of grand distributionist plan would
sorely punish that 1/2 of the world population that is best organized
and best armed.
Half the people have way more than half the money.
You think that this will ever change? Primitive societies aside when
has this ever not been the case?
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
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