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11 Sep 2004 09:11:42 AM |
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no ***** TEST - no BIN LADEN - no WMD . . . (keep it up ) |
Keep it up losers keep it up, your loserish drunk behavior
is destroying the country, it's military and its will to do
anything at all.
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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| Title: Re: no ***** TEST - no BIN LADEN - no WMD . . . (keep it up ) |
11 Sep 2004 11:47:30 AM |
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Bush failed to show up for a physical.
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
Yeah, that's about equal.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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| User: "Wayne Johnson" |
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11 Sep 2004 11:49:28 AM |
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"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
news:nsa6k0d37ctmqvr9k2j7bvv0evnhit8pos@4ax.com...
Bush failed to show up for a physical.
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
Yeah, that's about equal.
So, you admit that US soldiers committed atrocities against innocent civilians
during the Vietnam war! That's a start.
Americans never denied that it happened, they're stupid and just tried to ignore
it, thinking that it would go away.
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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12 Sep 2004 07:20:24 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:49:28 -0400, "Wayne Johnson"
<johnsonw5949@yahoo.com> claims:
"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
news:nsa6k0d37ctmqvr9k2j7bvv0evnhit8pos@4ax.com...
Bush failed to show up for a physical.
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
Yeah, that's about equal.
So, you admit that US soldiers committed atrocities against innocent civilians
during the Vietnam war! That's a start.
Mr. Kerry admitted as much. It must be true then. Even Hanoi
Jane Fonda admits it. After all, the Democrats wouldn't lie, would
they?
Americans never denied that it happened, they're stupid and just tried to ignore
it, thinking that it would go away.
The only thing we can do to right the problem is to elect one
of the mass murderers, right?
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: no ***** TEST - no BIN LADEN - no WMD . . . (keep it up ) |
12 Sep 2004 07:33:34 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:20:24 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:49:28 -0400, "Wayne Johnson"
<johnsonw5949@yahoo.com> claims:
"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
news:nsa6k0d37ctmqvr9k2j7bvv0evnhit8pos@4ax.com...
Bush failed to show up for a physical.
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
Yeah, that's about equal.
So, you admit that US soldiers committed atrocities against innocent civilians
during the Vietnam war! That's a start.
Mr. Kerry admitted as much. It must be true then. Even Hanoi
Jane Fonda admits it. After all, the Democrats wouldn't lie, would
they?
Americans never denied that it happened, they're stupid and just tried to ignore
it, thinking that it would go away.
The only thing we can do to right the problem is to elect one
of the mass murderers, right?
Speaking of mass murders and crime families, Neil Bushes wife sure
clammed up fast didn't she.
I would like to read about Kerry's mass murders. Please supply a link.
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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13 Sep 2004 12:07:59 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:33:34 -0400, Eris
<vithant01@antispam.comcast.net> claims:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:20:24 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:49:28 -0400, "Wayne Johnson"
<johnsonw5949@yahoo.com> claims:
"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
news:nsa6k0d37ctmqvr9k2j7bvv0evnhit8pos@4ax.com...
Bush failed to show up for a physical.
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
Yeah, that's about equal.
So, you admit that US soldiers committed atrocities against innocent civilians
during the Vietnam war! That's a start.
Mr. Kerry admitted as much. It must be true then. Even Hanoi
Jane Fonda admits it. After all, the Democrats wouldn't lie, would
they?
Americans never denied that it happened, they're stupid and just tried to ignore
it, thinking that it would go away.
The only thing we can do to right the problem is to elect one
of the mass murderers, right?
Speaking of mass murders and crime families, Neil Bushes wife sure
clammed up fast didn't she.
I would like to read about Kerry's mass murders. Please supply a link.
Ask and ye shall receive, Eris. By the way, I am surprised you
never heard of this. The tape has been played around radio and
television for years, and Kerry's public confession has been common
knowledge to us vets since the 70's:
(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
(End audiotape)
http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html
So, Bush missed a physical, hm?
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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| User: "Felsenmeer" |
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14 Sep 2004 07:48:03 PM |
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Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children? I don't
know if you're being deliberately obtuse or what, but this is an indictment
of US policy in Vietnam, not a personal confession of genocide by John
Kerry. Free fire zones, H and I, 50cal machine guns, firing villages? All
standard practice in the prosecution of the Vietnam War. If you're going to
conclude from that that Kerry was "wiping out villages full of men, women
and children", you're saying that virtually every US serviceman in Southeast
Asia committed genocide. Now, I'm sure you don't really mean *that*.
Unless perhaps you were a Vietnam War protester?
So, Bush missed a physical, hm?
Only in the bizarre world of conservative politics would a man who evaded
service in Vietnam be preferable to a combat veteran, and be praised for
that evasion. *****, once he successfully blew off Vietnam by joining the
ANG, he didn't even bother to make a pretense of military service. Clinton
and now Bush; you gotta love these presidents who somehow managed to find
some way to avoid honorable military service. Ding Kerry for his
post-Vietnam conduct if you will (he deserves it), but his conduct in
Vietnam was sound. Even George Bush has said so.
What I really would like to know is when a true moderate is going to run for
president...
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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| Title: Re: no ***** TEST - no BIN LADEN - no WMD . . . (keep it up ) |
14 Sep 2004 11:09:37 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't know what your problem is. There is a confession by a naval
officer who says he took out villages using .50 cal. machine guns, so
yes, that is what I believed he said. Now he wants to be president of
the United States?
I don't
know if you're being deliberately obtuse or what, but this is an indictment
of US policy in Vietnam, not a personal confession of genocide by John
Kerry. Free fire zones, H and I, 50cal machine guns, firing villages? All
standard practice in the prosecution of the Vietnam War. If you're going to
conclude from that that Kerry was "wiping out villages full of men, women
and children", you're saying that virtually every US serviceman in Southeast
Asia committed genocide. Now, I'm sure you don't really mean *that*.
Unless perhaps you were a Vietnam War protester?
I am not saying that, Mr. Kerry said that.
So, Bush missed a physical, hm?
Only in the bizarre world of conservative politics would a man who evaded
service in Vietnam be preferable to a combat veteran, and be praised for
that evasion. *****, once he successfully blew off Vietnam by joining the
ANG, he didn't even bother to make a pretense of military service. Clinton
and now Bush; you gotta love these presidents who somehow managed to find
some way to avoid honorable military service. Ding Kerry for his
post-Vietnam conduct if you will (he deserves it), but his conduct in
Vietnam was sound. Even George Bush has said so.
What I really would like to know is when a true moderate is going to run for
president...
Choose for yourself: a guy who wiped out whole villages of Vietmanese
using .50 cal machine guns, or a guy who missed a physical examination
but killed nobody.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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| User: "Felsenmeer" |
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16 Sep 2004 08:58:38 PM |
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Choose for yourself: a guy who wiped out whole villages of Vietmanese
using .50 cal machine guns, or a guy who missed a physical examination
but killed nobody.
Hmmm. An interesting question, but irrelevant, really. There are no
mass-murderers running for the presidency for either party.
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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17 Sep 2004 02:57:55 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:58:38 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Choose for yourself: a guy who wiped out whole villages of Vietmanese
using .50 cal machine guns, or a guy who missed a physical examination
but killed nobody.
Hmmm. An interesting question, but irrelevant, really. There are no
mass-murderers running for the presidency for either party.
Actually, there is just one:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of
this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to
the Geneva Conventions
http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html
I should have corrected one of the above assertions - the
information that Mr. Bush missed a physical exam came from one of
DNC/CBS's forged government documents.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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| User: "Felsenmeer" |
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17 Sep 2004 05:15:36 PM |
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Hmmm. An interesting question, but irrelevant, really. There are no
mass-murderers running for the presidency for either party.
Actually, there is just one:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of
this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to
the Geneva Conventions
You know, somehow you keep reinterpreting this as an personal admission of
genocide, when everybody else acknowledges it for what it is: an indictment
of US military policy in Vietnam. I'll say it again- H and I, free-fire
zones, burning of villages- all were common tactics in the prosecution of
the Vietnam War. I'll say this again, too- when you assert that the use of
H and I fire, free-fire zones, etc. constitutes mass murder, then you've
just accused virtually every US serviceman who served in Vietnam of
genocide, fron General Westmoreland on down. You would have made an
excellent Vietnam War protester.
This is getting old. While the idea that Kerry murdered thousands of people
undoubtably gives you a hard-on the size of a baseball bat, it's just not
true, and anyone who is able to consider the issue reasonably knows this.
You can go ahead and repeat this silly assertion ad nauseum, but it won't
make it any more real. There are other issues related to Kerry's service in
Vietnam that *could* be debated on a serious level- you should pick one of
them instead. It would improve your credibility substantially.
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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18 Sep 2004 09:06:38 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:15:36 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Hmmm. An interesting question, but irrelevant, really. There are no
mass-murderers running for the presidency for either party.
Actually, there is just one:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of
this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to
the Geneva Conventions
You know, somehow you keep reinterpreting this as an personal admission of
genocide, when everybody else acknowledges it for what it is: an indictment
of US military policy in Vietnam.
If a guy walked into a police station and confessed that he
and his buddies committed mass murder, wouldn't you include that guy
in the investigation?
I'll say it again- H and I, free-fire
zones, burning of villages- all were common tactics in the prosecution of
the Vietnam War. I'll say this again, too- when you assert that the use of
H and I fire, free-fire zones, etc. constitutes mass murder, then you've
just accused virtually every US serviceman who served in Vietnam of
genocide, fron General Westmoreland on down. You would have made an
excellent Vietnam War protester.
This is getting old. While the idea that Kerry murdered thousands of people
undoubtably gives you a hard-on the size of a baseball bat, it's just not
true, and anyone who is able to consider the issue reasonably knows this.
Inside, yes of course it wasn't true. But he made the charges
in a Senate chamber, was filmed doing it and should be answering for
it. His fellow vets demand it, and the polls are beginning to show
that the voters also want him to answer for it.
You can go ahead and repeat this silly assertion ad nauseum, but it won't
make it any more real.
Oh, the charges Kerry made were real enough - I have seen the
tape. If he was lying, then why does he not admit it and put this all
to rest? What is he trying to hide from the voters, his own record?
There are other issues related to Kerry's service in
Vietnam that *could* be debated on a serious level- you should pick one of
them instead. It would improve your credibility substantially.
Truthfully, I have no problem with his service in Viet Nam. It
is the shameful things he did afterward, and his dismal voting record
that I really have problems with. And his stonewalling on what he
charged his fellow vets with is not doing a lot for his own
credibility.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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| User: "Felsenmeer" |
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18 Sep 2004 02:16:18 PM |
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This is getting old. While the idea that Kerry murdered thousands of
people
undoubtably gives you a hard-on the size of a baseball bat, it's just not
true, and anyone who is able to consider the issue reasonably knows this.
Inside, yes of course it wasn't true. But he made the charges
in a Senate chamber, was filmed doing it and should be answering for
it. His fellow vets demand it, and the polls are beginning to show
that the voters also want him to answer for it.
Well, there you have it. It wasn't true. Yes indeed, he did make those
comments in a Senate chamber. And if people are offended by them and choose
not to vote for Kerry, that's what it's all about. THAT's a real issue; not
this mass-murder stuff.
Truthfully, I have no problem with his service in Viet Nam. It
is the shameful things he did afterward, and his dismal voting record
that I really have problems with. And his stonewalling on what he
charged his fellow vets with is not doing a lot for his own
credibility.
Voila! Now THAT is legitimate. And if that drives you to vote against
Kerry, I will defend your decision to ANYONE who questions it.
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| User: "Felsenmeer" |
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18 Sep 2004 02:53:59 PM |
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Voila! Now THAT is legitimate. And if that drives you to vote against
Kerry, I will defend your decision to ANYONE who questions it.
And one final word; then I need to let this go. Although I hassled you a
bit, I have never meant to belittle you or your beliefs. All I really want
(other than a true moderate presidential candidate!), is for political
debate to be held on legitimate points and issues; the economy, the future,
etc. Democracy- the right of people to choose their own leaders from
amongst themselves- is a precious thing. And from my point of view,
democracy is wasted when people are persuaded to vote through scurrious
means. For example, one thing I really cannot stand is a one-issue voter.
I truly believe that, in a democratic government, the electorate MUST be
well-informed and MUST participate! I think we owe it to our government and
to each other...
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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| Title: Re: no ***** TEST - no BIN LADEN - no WMD . . . (keep it up ) |
19 Sep 2004 11:43:56 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:53:59 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Voila! Now THAT is legitimate. And if that drives you to vote against
Kerry, I will defend your decision to ANYONE who questions it.
And one final word; then I need to let this go. Although I hassled you a
bit, I have never meant to belittle you or your beliefs. All I really want
(other than a true moderate presidential candidate!), is for political
debate to be held on legitimate points and issues; the economy, the future,
etc. Democracy- the right of people to choose their own leaders from
amongst themselves- is a precious thing. And from my point of view,
democracy is wasted when people are persuaded to vote through scurrious
means. For example, one thing I really cannot stand is a one-issue voter.
I truly believe that, in a democratic government, the electorate MUST be
well-informed and MUST participate! I think we owe it to our government and
to each other...
Ok, now my final word, or rather (no pun intended), my final
question about this subject in this thread: if what a candidate did
regarding "legitimate points and issues; the economy, the future,
etc." are the only things you are interested in discussing during this
campaign, shouldn't whether a candidate did or did not show up for a
physical in 1973 also be excluded as fodder for discussion?
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, Bonjour. Or as George Bush would say, Buonas díaz.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."
--Dan Rather
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| User: "Ken [NY" |
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19 Sep 2004 11:35:37 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:16:18 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Inside, yes of course it wasn't true. But he made the charges
in a Senate chamber, was filmed doing it and should be answering for
it. His fellow vets demand it, and the polls are beginning to show
that the voters also want him to answer for it.
Well, there you have it. It wasn't true. Yes indeed, he did make those
comments in a Senate chamber. And if people are offended by them and choose
not to vote for Kerry, that's what it's all about. THAT's a real issue; not
this mass-murder stuff.
Yes, but don't tell me that those "Bush lied" people are doing
anything but giving a big pass to the original liar, John Kerry.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."
--Dan Rather
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| User: "Eris" |
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15 Sep 2004 09:16:32 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:09:37 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't know what your problem is. There is a confession by a naval
officer who says he took out villages using .50 cal. machine guns, so
yes, that is what I believed he said. Now he wants to be president of
the United States?
Bush drove a woman to an abortion clinic and paid for her abortion.
There is no higher crime in fundie land.
I burned a village of six huts one day. After the huts stopped
burning, six machine gun bunkers appeared inside the ashes of the
huts. Did I commit an atrocity?
If I shoot a Vietnamese with a 7.62 NATO round, .308 inches in
diameter, or a 5.65 NATO round, .223 inches in diameter, or a 50 cal
BMG, .50 inches in diameter, what is the difference?
It is obvious that you mindlessly hate Kerry for religious reasons.
Anything you say is suspect.
I don't
know if you're being deliberately obtuse or what, but this is an indictment
of US policy in Vietnam, not a personal confession of genocide by John
Kerry. Free fire zones, H and I, 50cal machine guns, firing villages? All
standard practice in the prosecution of the Vietnam War. If you're going to
conclude from that that Kerry was "wiping out villages full of men, women
and children", you're saying that virtually every US serviceman in Southeast
Asia committed genocide. Now, I'm sure you don't really mean *that*.
Unless perhaps you were a Vietnam War protester?
I am not saying that, Mr. Kerry said that.
So, Bush missed a physical, hm?
Only in the bizarre world of conservative politics would a man who evaded
service in Vietnam be preferable to a combat veteran, and be praised for
that evasion. *****, once he successfully blew off Vietnam by joining the
ANG, he didn't even bother to make a pretense of military service. Clinton
and now Bush; you gotta love these presidents who somehow managed to find
some way to avoid honorable military service. Ding Kerry for his
post-Vietnam conduct if you will (he deserves it), but his conduct in
Vietnam was sound. Even George Bush has said so.
What I really would like to know is when a true moderate is going to run for
president...
Choose for yourself: a guy who wiped out whole villages of Vietmanese
using .50 cal machine guns, or a guy who missed a physical examination
but killed nobody.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:16:32 -0400, Eris
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:09:37 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't know what your problem is. There is a confession by a naval
officer who says he took out villages using .50 cal. machine guns, so
yes, that is what I believed he said. Now he wants to be president of
the United States?
Bush drove a woman to an abortion clinic and paid for her abortion.
There is no higher crime in fundie land.
Of course. Well, except wiping out villages with .50 cal.
machine guns.
I burned a village of six huts one day. After the huts stopped
burning, six machine gun bunkers appeared inside the ashes of the
huts. Did I commit an atrocity?
Of course not. You gave the occupants a chance to flee the
fire before you set it. That's not the same as firing into a hut for
no reason except to kill civilians, which is what Kerry admitted to.
If I shoot a Vietnamese with a 7.62 NATO round, .308 inches in
diameter, or a 5.65 NATO round, .223 inches in diameter, or a 50 cal
BMG, .50 inches in diameter, what is the difference?
If the Vietnamese woman is changing her baby, no. No
difference.
It is obvious that you mindlessly hate Kerry for religious reasons.
Anything you say is suspect.
Religious reasons? I am a Christian like Kerry is. And I don't
hate Kerry at all. I hate nobody. That doesn't mean I want him,
someone who would allow the UN to deploy our troops without our
permission, to become commander in chief.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't remember the left-wing version. Maybe Vietnam villiages were
populated only by goats and not by human beings?
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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14 Sep 2004 09:50:25 PM |
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MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't remember the left-wing version. Maybe Vietnam villiages were
populated only by goats and not by human beings?
Good lord. Do you have anything in your pocket besides smart-aleck
responses? I would suspect your so-called "left-wing" version is the one
stated by Mr. Kerry. Which leaves your response (above) as the "right-wing"
version. I take it that you don't dispute that H and I rounds, free-fire
zones, torching villages, etc. was standard infantry practice in Vietnam,
and that Kerry's use of these techniques is pretty much a non-issue?
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15 Sep 2004 10:46:53 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:50:25 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't remember the left-wing version. Maybe Vietnam villiages were
populated only by goats and not by human beings?
Good lord. Do you have anything in your pocket besides smart-aleck
responses? I would suspect your so-called "left-wing" version is the one
stated by Mr. Kerry. Which leaves your response (above) as the "right-wing"
version. I take it that you don't dispute that H and I rounds, free-fire
zones, torching villages, etc. was standard infantry practice in Vietnam,
and that Kerry's use of these techniques is pretty much a non-issue?
Mass murder of civilians was NOT standard operating procedure
anywhere, and never was. There was only one such case, and that was
Lt. Calley at My Lai, who actually served only a few days
imprisonment. The rest of the lurid tales was from Lt. John Kerry's
vivid imagination. Even Kerry now admits he was over the line with his
charges.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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16 Sep 2004 09:03:07 PM |
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Good lord. Do you have anything in your pocket besides smart-aleck
responses? I would suspect your so-called "left-wing" version is the one
stated by Mr. Kerry. Which leaves your response (above) as the
"right-wing"
version. I take it that you don't dispute that H and I rounds, free-fire
zones, torching villages, etc. was standard infantry practice in Vietnam,
and that Kerry's use of these techniques is pretty much a non-issue?
Mass murder of civilians was NOT standard operating procedure
anywhere, and never was. There was only one such case, and that was
Lt. Calley at My Lai, who actually served only a few days
imprisonment. The rest of the lurid tales was from Lt. John Kerry's
vivid imagination. Even Kerry now admits he was over the line with his
charges.
Strangely enough, President Bush himself has said that Kerry served
"honorably" in Vietnam. Quite a juxtaposition from your own assertion that
Kerry has massacred entire villages of Vietnamese. So apparently either
Bush is suffering from yet another case of <ahem> "faulty intelligence", or
worse still, he is covering up the worst crime in US military history.
Either way, it doesn't reflect well on Mr. Bush.
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17 Sep 2004 02:52:57 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:03:07 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Good lord. Do you have anything in your pocket besides smart-aleck
responses? I would suspect your so-called "left-wing" version is the one
stated by Mr. Kerry. Which leaves your response (above) as the
"right-wing"
version. I take it that you don't dispute that H and I rounds, free-fire
zones, torching villages, etc. was standard infantry practice in Vietnam,
and that Kerry's use of these techniques is pretty much a non-issue?
Mass murder of civilians was NOT standard operating procedure
anywhere, and never was. There was only one such case, and that was
Lt. Calley at My Lai, who actually served only a few days
imprisonment. The rest of the lurid tales was from Lt. John Kerry's
vivid imagination. Even Kerry now admits he was over the line with his
charges.
Strangely enough, President Bush himself has said that Kerry served
"honorably" in Vietnam. Quite a juxtaposition from your own assertion that
Kerry has massacred entire villages of Vietnamese. So apparently either
Bush is suffering from yet another case of <ahem> "faulty intelligence", or
worse still, he is covering up the worst crime in US military history.
Either way, it doesn't reflect well on Mr. Bush.
President Bush, as well as VP Cheney and other GOP have said
that Mr. Kerry served honorably in Viet Nam.
It is actually Mr. Kerry who admitted to wiping out villages
with .50 cal. machine guns and committing other war crimes. The
difference is that they want to move on to today's issues, while
hundreds Kerry's fellow swift boat vets will not let him forget what
he did and accused others of doing. And DNC/CBS is still attacking
Bush's 35 year old ANG record using forged goverment documents.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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17 Sep 2004 07:14:26 PM |
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Strangely enough, President Bush himself has said that Kerry served
"honorably" in Vietnam. Quite a juxtaposition from your own assertion
that
Kerry has massacred entire villages of Vietnamese. So apparently either
Bush is suffering from yet another case of <ahem> "faulty intelligence",
or
worse still, he is covering up the worst crime in US military history.
Either way, it doesn't reflect well on Mr. Bush.
President Bush, as well as VP Cheney and other GOP have said
that Mr. Kerry served honorably in Viet Nam.
It is actually Mr. Kerry who admitted to wiping out villages
with .50 cal. machine guns and committing other war crimes.
Incredible! Mark it down, folks... this week's Sign of the Apocalypse: Ken
takes the word of John Kerry over that of George Bush and ***** Cheney!!!
Stick with it; we'll have you voting a straight Democratic ticket in no
time.
I'm just pulling your leg. What this *really* shows is that you are
completely selective about who and what you believe. You believe Kerry when
it suits you; you believe Bush when it suits you; you believe anything that
falls in line with your right wing world-view and discard anything that
doesn't...
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18 Sep 2004 08:57:43 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:14:26 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
President Bush, as well as VP Cheney and other GOP have said
that Mr. Kerry served honorably in Viet Nam.
It is actually Mr. Kerry who admitted to wiping out villages
with .50 cal. machine guns and committing other war crimes.
Incredible! Mark it down, folks... this week's Sign of the Apocalypse: Ken
takes the word of John Kerry over that of George Bush and ***** Cheney!!!
Stick with it; we'll have you voting a straight Democratic ticket in no
time.
I'm just pulling your leg. What this *really* shows is that you are
completely selective about who and what you believe. You believe Kerry when
it suits you; you believe Bush when it suits you; you believe anything that
falls in line with your right wing world-view and discard anything that
doesn't...
What's wrong with believing both Kerry and Bush? Bush & co.
believed all along that Kerry served honorably. Kerry also believes
that he served honorably. The only word we have that Kerry and the
rest of Vietnam vets committed atrocities was Kerry, probably while he
was trying to impress and pick up pacifist chicks.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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15 Sep 2004 09:09:48 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:31:42 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't remember the left-wing version. Maybe Vietnam villiages were
populated only by goats and not by human beings?
You can spin this anyway you want, Fundie, I will still vote for the
more intelligent, more competent man.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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15 Sep 2004 10:49:45 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:09:48 -0400, Eris
<vithant01@antispam.comcast.net> claims:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:31:42 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> claims:
Kerry was wiping out villages full of men, women and children.
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at
one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are
tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains
of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval
officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in
this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in
shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction
fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part
in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.
You took this quote and interpreted it to mean that John Kerry personally
was wiping out entire villages full of men, women and children?
I don't remember the left-wing version. Maybe Vietnam villiages were
populated only by goats and not by human beings?
You can spin this anyway you want, Fundie, I will still vote for the
more intelligent, more competent man.
Good. You will enjoy the four more years of the Bush
presidency.
Good day. Or as John Kerry would say, bonjour.
Ken (NY)
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when
the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact
that we did disarm him."
--John F. Kerry (ABC News, 5/4/03)
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14 Sep 2004 10:57:59 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:48:03 -0500, "Felsenmeer"
<felsenmeer@serendipity.net> wrote:
Ding Kerry for his post-Vietnam conduct if you will (he deserves it), but his conduct in
Vietnam was sound. Even George Bush has said so
But that was before the Swiftboat Sailors who were with him told us
what really happened.
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11 Sep 2004 10:07:51 AM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0409110611.19da6f6a@posting.google.com...
Keep it up losers keep it up, your loserish drunk behavior
is destroying the country, it's military and its will to do
anything at all.
....and Bush is losing!
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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11 Sep 2004 09:44:22 AM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0409110611.19da6f6a@posting.google.com...
Keep it up losers keep it up, your loserish drunk behavior
is destroying the country, it's military and its will to do
anything at all.
Keep it up, Lefty Liberal losers, your obsessive-compulsive need to
manufacture scandals in order to avoid dealing with real issues is
destroying the Dems chance of winning the presidential election...
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11 Sep 2004 01:25:39 PM |
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<abE0d.12843$w%6.11389@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0409110611.19da6f6a@posting.google.com...
Keep it up losers keep it up, your loserish drunk behavior
is destroying the country, it's military and its will to do
anything at all.
Keep it up, Lefty Liberal losers, your obsessive-compulsive need to
manufacture scandals in order to avoid dealing with real issues is
destroying the Dems chance of winning the presidential election...
At least Kerry is off of drugs long enough to take a ***** test. Bush
can't even do that, yet he wants to fight a war on terror where others
have to.
Who's the drunk loser ??
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