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"ViperSpit" |
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13 Sep 2006 07:48:59 AM |
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No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic for spineless Libs
like Ted Kennedy, as they
go running to the media screaming "no fair".
These guys are "your" chosen ones Libs, and everytime they open their mouths
they're bringing your party
deeper and deeper into the sewer gutter.
Lets face it Libs, nobody living in a gang infested neighborhood, are going
to take kindly to neighboors cheerleading
them back in.
heh heh
Spit
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213439,00.html
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| Title: Re: No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
12 Sep 2006 09:52:10 AM |
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"ViperSpit" <liberalmaster@moveon.org> wrote in message
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Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic for spineless Libs
like Ted Kennedy, as they
go running to the media screaming "no fair".
These guys are "your" chosen ones Libs, and everytime they open their
mouths
they're bringing your party
deeper and deeper into the sewer gutter.
Lets face it Libs, nobody living in a gang infested neighborhood, are
going
to take kindly to neighboors cheerleading
them back in.
heh heh
Spit
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213439,00.html
The majority of Democrats do not believe in just "pulling out." The do
believe, however, that Iraq needs to stand up on its own two feet and defend
itself. So long as they think they have the crutch of the U.S. military to
fall back on, they will be slow in making those hard choices to getting
their military in position to defend its country.
Bush believes our priority should be remaining in Iraq to insure civil war
does become a reality. The Democrats believe we should be giving Iraq a
recurring scorecard on their improvement in defense, so that the day we can
leave can be a reality.
We must push the Iraqi government to take over the defense of their country.
We cannot afford to continue spending 350 billion a year for another 4
years.
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| User: "Frank Pittel" |
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| Title: Re: No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
12 Sep 2006 10:28:22 AM |
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In alt.politics.usa.republican Ken Lovering <kwlovering@adelphia.net> wrote:
: "ViperSpit" <liberalmaster@moveon.org> wrote in message
: news:ee6afc$9bj$1@news.datemas.de...
: > Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic for spineless Libs
: > like Ted Kennedy, as they
: > go running to the media screaming "no fair".
: >
: > These guys are "your" chosen ones Libs, and everytime they open their
: mouths
: > they're bringing your party
: > deeper and deeper into the sewer gutter.
: >
: > Lets face it Libs, nobody living in a gang infested neighborhood, are
: going
: > to take kindly to neighboors cheerleading
: > them back in.
: >
: > heh heh
: > Spit
: >
: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213439,00.html
: The majority of Democrats do not believe in just "pulling out."
Tell that to murtha, the heroin of the leftwing kook sheehan, move on,
Joe Lieberman, rockafeller, the nutcase dean, etc.
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| User: "Ken Lovering" |
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| Title: Re: No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
12 Sep 2006 08:07:14 PM |
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"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
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In alt.politics.usa.republican Ken Lovering <kwlovering@adelphia.net>
wrote:
: "ViperSpit" <liberalmaster@moveon.org> wrote in message
: news:ee6afc$9bj$1@news.datemas.de...
: > Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic for spineless
Libs
: > like Ted Kennedy, as they
: > go running to the media screaming "no fair".
: >
: > These guys are "your" chosen ones Libs, and everytime they open their
: mouths
: > they're bringing your party
: > deeper and deeper into the sewer gutter.
: >
: > Lets face it Libs, nobody living in a gang infested neighborhood, are
: going
: > to take kindly to neighboors cheerleading
: > them back in.
: >
: > heh heh
: > Spit
: >
: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213439,00.html
: The majority of Democrats do not believe in just "pulling out."
Tell that to murtha, the heroin of the leftwing kook sheehan, move on,
Joe Lieberman, rockafeller, the nutcase dean, etc.
Sheehan 1
Lieberman supports bush's war
Rockafeller 2
Dean 3
Any more names?
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
12 Sep 2006 10:55:04 AM |
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"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:8qOdncZ1e9SLT5vYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
In alt.politics.usa.republican Ken Lovering <kwlovering@adelphia.net>
wrote:
: "ViperSpit" <liberalmaster@moveon.org> wrote in message
: news:ee6afc$9bj$1@news.datemas.de...
: > Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic for spineless
Libs
: > like Ted Kennedy, as they
: > go running to the media screaming "no fair".
: >
: > These guys are "your" chosen ones Libs, and everytime they open their
: mouths
: > they're bringing your party
: > deeper and deeper into the sewer gutter.
: >
: > Lets face it Libs, nobody living in a gang infested neighborhood, are
: going
: > to take kindly to neighboors cheerleading
: > them back in.
: >
: > heh heh
: > Spit
: >
: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213439,00.html
: The majority of Democrats do not believe in just "pulling out."
Tell that to murtha, the heroin of the leftwing kook sheehan, move on,
Joe Lieberman, rockafeller, the nutcase dean, etc.
Once again pit-hole shows his utter ignorance of the topic. lol
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
12 Sep 2006 09:57:47 AM |
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"ViperSpit" <liberalmaster@moveon.org> wrote in message
news:ee6afc$9bj$1@news.datemas.de...
Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic
lol "Full of stupid lies" is not spelled p-a-t-r-i-o-t-i-c.
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| User: "monkeyhawk" |
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| Title: Re: No Backbone Libs Complain About Bush's 9-11 Speech |
12 Sep 2006 08:23:19 AM |
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Keith Olbermann said it best:
Half a lifetime ago, I worked in this now-empty space.
And for 40 days after the attacks, I worked here again, trying to make
sense of what happened, and was yet to happen, as a reporter.
And all the time, I knew that the very air I breathed contained the remains
of thousands of people, including four of my friends, two in the planes
and - as I discovered from those "missing posters" seared still into my
soul - two more in the Towers.
And I knew too, that this was the pyre for hundreds of New York
policemen and firemen, of whom my family can claim half a dozen or more, as
our ancestors.
I belabor this to emphasize that, for me. this was, and is, and always
shall be, personal.
And anyone who claims that I and others like me are "soft", or have
"forgotten" the lessons of what happened here - is at best a grasping,
opportunistic, dilettante - and at worst, an idiot - whether he is a
commentator, or a Vice President, or a President.
However. Of all the things those of us who were here five years ago
could have forecast - of all the nightmares that unfolded before our eyes,
and the others that unfolded only in our minds. none of us could have
predicted. this.
Five years later this space. is still empty.
Five years later there is no Memorial to the dead.
Five years later there is no building rising to show with proud
defiance that we would not have our America wrung from us, by cowards and
criminals.
Five years later this country's wound is still open.
Five years. later this country's mass grave is still unmarked.
Five years later. this is still. just a background for a photo-op.
It is beyond shameful.
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At the dedication of the Gettysburg Memorial - barely four months
after the last soldier staggered from another Pennsylvania field, Mr.
Lincoln said "we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not
hallow - this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here,
have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract."
Lincoln used those words to immortalize their sacrifice.
Today our leaders could use those same words to rationalize their
reprehensible inaction. "We can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we
can not hallow - this ground." So we won't.
Instead they bicker and buck-pass. They thwart private efforts, and
jostle to claim credit for initiatives that go nowhere. They spend the money
on irrelevant wars, and elaborate self-congratulations, and buying off
columnists to write how good a job they're doing - instead of doing any job
at all.
Five years later, Mr. Bush. we are still fighting the terrorists on
these streets. And look carefully, sir - on these 16 empty acres, the
terrorists. are clearly, still winning.
And, in a crime against every victim here and every patriotic
sentiment you mouthed but did not enact, you have done nothing about it.
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And there is something worse still than this vast gaping hole in this
city, and in the fabric of our nation.
There is, its symbolism - of the promise unfulfilled, the urgent oath,
reduced to lazy execution.
The only positive on 9/11 and the days and weeks that so slowly and
painfully followed it. was the unanimous humanity, here, and throughout the
country. The government, the President in particular, was given every
possible measure of support.
Those who did not belong to his party - tabled that.
Those who doubted the mechanics of his election - ignored that.
Those who wondered of his qualifications - forgot that.
History teaches us that nearly unanimous support of a government
cannot be taken away from that government, by its critics.
It can only be squandered by those who use it not to heal a nation's
wounds, but to take political advantage.
Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being
American first, and political, fiftieth. Nor did the Democrats. Nor did the
media. Nor did the people.
The President - and those around him - did that.
They promised bi-partisanship, and then showed that to them,
"bi-partisanship" meant that their party would rule and the rest would have
to follow, or be branded, with ever-escalating hysteria, as morally or
intellectually confused; as appeasers; as those who, in the Vice President's
words yesterday, "validate the strategy of the terrorists."
They promised protection, and then showed that to them "protection"
meant going to war against a despot whose hand they had once shaken. a
despot who we now learn from our own Senate Intelligence Committee, hated
Al-Qaeda as much as we did.
The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a
war, on the false premise that it had 'something to do' with 9/11, is "lying
by implication."
The impolite phrase, is "impeachable offense."
Not once in now five years has this President ever offered to assume
responsibility for the failures that led to this empty space. and to this,
the current, curdled, version of our beloved country.
Still, there is a last snapping flame from a final candle of respect
and fairness: even his most virulent critics have never suggested he alone
bears the full brunt of the blame for 9/11.
Half the time, in fact, this President has been so gently treated,
that he has seemed not even to be the man most responsible - for anything -
in his own administration.
Yet what is happening this very night?
A mini-series, created, influenced - possibly financed by - the most
radical and cold of domestic political Machiavellis, continues to be
televised into our homes.
The documented truths of the last fifteen years are replaced by
bald-faced lies; the talking points of the current regime parroted; the
whole sorry story blurred, by spin, to make the party out of office seem
vacillating and impotent, and the party in office, seem like the only
option.
How dare you, Mr. President, after taking cynical advantage of the
unanimity and love, and transmuting it into fraudulent war and needless
death. after monstrously transforming it into fear and suspicion and turning
that fear into the campaign slogan of three elections. how dare you or those
around you. ever "spin" 9/11.
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Just as the terrorists have succeeded - are still succeeding - as
long as there is no memorial and no construction here at Ground Zero.
So too have they succeeded, and are still succeeding - as long as
this government uses 9/11 as a wedge to pit Americans against Americans.
This is an odd point to cite a television program, especially one
from March of 1960. But as Disney's continuing sell-out of the truth (and
this country) suggests, even television programs can be powerful things.
And long ago, a series called "The Twilight Zone" broadcast a
riveting episode entitled "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street."
In brief: a meteor sparks rumors of an invasion by extra-terrestrials
disguised as humans. The electricity goes out. A neighbor pleads for calm.
Suddenly his car - and only his car - starts. Someone suggests he
must be the alien. Then another man's lights go on.
As charges and suspicion and panic overtake the street, guns are
inevitably produced.
An "alien" is shot - but he turns out to be just another neighbor,
returning from going for help.
The camera pulls back to a near-by hill, where two extra-terrestrials
are seen, manipulating a small device that can jam electricity. The veteran
tells his novice that there's no need to actually attack, that you just turn
off a few of the human machines and then, "they pick the most dangerous
enemy they can find, and it's themselves."
And then, in perhaps his finest piece of writing, Rod Serling sums it
up with words of remarkable prescience, given where we find ourselves
tonight.
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and
explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts,
attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men.
"For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a
thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own -
for the children, and the children yet unborn."
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When those who dissent are told time and time again - as we will be,
if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public
chorus - that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we
are somehow un-American.
When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have "forgotten
the lessons of 9/11". look into this empty space behind me and the
bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell
me:
Who has left this hole in the ground?
We have not forgotten, Mr. President.
You have.
May this country forgive you.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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12 Sep 2006 01:33:40 PM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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Keith Olbermann said it best:
Snip defeatist drivel.
The guy is really quite the whiner.
Jim E
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| User: "Jim" |
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12 Sep 2006 03:50:16 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD656359@SEA.edu> wrote in message
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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Keith Olbermann said it best:
Snip defeatist drivel.
The guy is really quite the whiner.
Jim E
I guess everybody has their flaws.
He's a whiner, your an idiot on and on.
Jim C.
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| User: "robw" |
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12 Sep 2006 05:34:25 PM |
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So you have no response to what Oberman said?
It would appear......
"Jim E" <YD656359@SEA.edu> wrote in message
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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Keith Olbermann said it best:
Snip defeatist drivel.
The guy is really quite the whiner.
Jim E
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| User: "Jim E" |
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12 Sep 2006 10:57:54 PM |
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"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
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So you have no response to what Oberman said?
It would appear......
I gave a response.
Jim E
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| User: "somefool" |
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13 Sep 2006 12:20:30 AM |
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"Jim E" <YD656359@SEA.edu> wrote in news:4mpdusF798i2U1@individual.net:
"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
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So you have no response to what Oberman said?
It would appear......
I gave a response.
No you didn't. Your tacit dismissal of a well thought out piece of
editorial on the state of this Great Nation does speak volumes to me tho.
It says to me that you are no more entitled to enjoy its benefits than the
terrorists that attacked us on 9/11.
May this country forgive you too.
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| User: "robw" |
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12 Sep 2006 10:48:34 AM |
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The "Path to Lies-11" and Redskins vs. Vikes were on.
That means not even the majority of people in the Maryland-Virginia-D.C.
area were watching the speech.
"ViperSpit" <liberalmaster@moveon.org> wrote in message
news:ee6afc$9bj$1@news.datemas.de...
Sure enough, his speech was just a little too patriotic for spineless Libs
like Ted Kennedy, as they
go running to the media screaming "no fair".
These guys are "your" chosen ones Libs, and everytime they open their
mouths
they're bringing your party
deeper and deeper into the sewer gutter.
Lets face it Libs, nobody living in a gang infested neighborhood, are
going
to take kindly to neighboors cheerleading
them back in.
heh heh
Spit
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213439,00.html
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| User: "jmcgill" |
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12 Sep 2006 05:27:16 PM |
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robw wrote:
The "Path to Lies-11" and Redskins vs. Vikes were on.
That means not even the majority of people in the Maryland-Virginia-D.C.
area were watching the speech.
There are devices, these days, which allow a person to watch one
television program while recording another, to watch later.
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| User: "robw" |
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12 Sep 2006 05:37:58 PM |
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Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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robw wrote:
The "Path to Lies-11" and Redskins vs. Vikes were on.
That means not even the majority of people in the Maryland-Virginia-D.C.
area were watching the speech.
There are devices, these days, which allow a person to watch one
television program while recording another, to watch later.
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| User: "jmcgill" |
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12 Sep 2006 06:07:10 PM |
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robw wrote:
Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
Here's the problem: If people didn't actually *watch* the show, they
really have no standing to criticize it. I tried to watch it, but found
the pace unbearable. They tried to dramatize everything by dragging it
out, mixing the sound so that it was muddy, and using a generally
subdued colorspace. I see right through tricks like this. I watch a
documentary for the same reason I read a reference book: To absorb the
information contained therein. The ABC documentary by trying too hard
to dramatize the events and characters, makes it difficult to get
information.
But I still feel an obligation to sit through the material before I
engage in criticism of it. On the newsgroup, one form of criticism is
that "more people watched football." That's just a reverse ad-populum
argument though. It says nothing about the veracity of the documentary
or of its effectiveness at persuading. (The Republicans know already
that they don't really need to persuade the Monday Night Football crowd.
Most of them don't bother to vote at all, and of those that do vote, at
least half are solid straight-ticket GOP voters anyway.)
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| User: "Ken Lovering" |
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13 Sep 2006 07:47:17 PM |
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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robw wrote:
Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday
night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
Here's the problem: If people didn't actually *watch* the show, they
really have no standing to criticize it. I tried to watch it, but found
the pace unbearable. They tried to dramatize everything by dragging it
out, mixing the sound so that it was muddy, and using a generally
subdued colorspace. I see right through tricks like this. I watch a
documentary for the same reason I read a reference book: To absorb the
information contained therein. The ABC documentary by trying too hard
to dramatize the events and characters, makes it difficult to get
information.
But I still feel an obligation to sit through the material before I
engage in criticism of it. On the newsgroup, one form of criticism is
that "more people watched football." That's just a reverse ad-populum
argument though. It says nothing about the veracity of the documentary
or of its effectiveness at persuading. (The Republicans know already
that they don't really need to persuade the Monday Night Football crowd.
Most of them don't bother to vote at all, and of those that do vote, at
least half are solid straight-ticket GOP voters anyway.)
And...........they have no idea about the dangers behind e-voting machines,
or any other domestic issues in depth. All they know is "Iraq War" and
"terror"
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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12 Sep 2006 07:10:55 PM |
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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robw wrote:
Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday
night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
Here's the problem: If people didn't actually *watch* the show, they
really have no standing to criticize it. I tried to watch it, but found
the pace unbearable. They tried to dramatize everything by dragging it
out, mixing the sound so that it was muddy, and using a generally
subdued colorspace. I see right through tricks like this. I watch a
documentary for the same reason I read a reference book: To absorb the
information contained therein. The ABC documentary by trying too hard
to dramatize the events and characters, makes it difficult to get
information.
But I still feel an obligation to sit through the material before I
engage in criticism of it. On the newsgroup, one form of criticism is
that "more people watched football." That's just a reverse ad-populum
argument though. It says nothing about the veracity of the documentary
or of its effectiveness at persuading. (The Republicans know already
that they don't really need to persuade the Monday Night Football crowd.
Most of them don't bother to vote at all, and of those that do vote, at
least half are solid straight-ticket GOP voters anyway.)
Jim, I didn't watch it. The show provably lied. I'm to old to put up with
being lied to. Do you think its OK to lie during a show devoted to the
truth? The producers claimed this show was base in the 9/11 commision.
That didn't happen according to members of the 9/11 commision.
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| User: "Ken Lovering" |
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13 Sep 2006 07:49:32 PM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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robw wrote:
Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday
night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
Here's the problem: If people didn't actually *watch* the show, they
really have no standing to criticize it. I tried to watch it, but found
the pace unbearable. They tried to dramatize everything by dragging it
out, mixing the sound so that it was muddy, and using a generally
subdued colorspace. I see right through tricks like this. I watch a
documentary for the same reason I read a reference book: To absorb the
information contained therein. The ABC documentary by trying too hard
to dramatize the events and characters, makes it difficult to get
information.
But I still feel an obligation to sit through the material before I
engage in criticism of it. On the newsgroup, one form of criticism is
that "more people watched football." That's just a reverse ad-populum
argument though. It says nothing about the veracity of the documentary
or of its effectiveness at persuading. (The Republicans know already
that they don't really need to persuade the Monday Night Football crowd.
Most of them don't bother to vote at all, and of those that do vote, at
least half are solid straight-ticket GOP voters anyway.)
Jim, I didn't watch it. The show provably lied. I'm to old to put up
with
being lied to. Do you think its OK to lie during a show devoted to the
truth? The producers claimed this show was base in the 9/11 commision.
That didn't happen according to members of the 9/11 commision.
The simple fact that Disney fictionalized an event as horrific as 9/11 kept
me away from it.
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12 Sep 2006 07:40:56 PM |
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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robw wrote:
Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday
night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
Here's the problem: If people didn't actually *watch* the show, they
really have no standing to criticize it. I tried to watch it, but found
the pace unbearable. They tried to dramatize everything by dragging it
out, mixing the sound so that it was muddy, and using a generally
subdued colorspace. I see right through tricks like this. I watch a
documentary for the same reason I read a reference book: To absorb the
information contained therein. The ABC documentary by trying too hard
to dramatize the events and characters, makes it difficult to get
information.
But I still feel an obligation to sit through the material before I
engage in criticism of it. On the newsgroup, one form of criticism is
that "more people watched football." That's just a reverse ad-populum
argument though. It says nothing about the veracity of the documentary
or of its effectiveness at persuading. (The Republicans know already
that they don't really need to persuade the Monday Night Football crowd.
Most of them don't bother to vote at all, and of those that do vote, at
least half are solid straight-ticket GOP voters anyway.)
ABC's "Path to George WMD Bush's Glory" (or whatever it was called) reminded
me of the gospel music Tammy Faye Bakker used to spew out on the old PTL
Network. Tone-deaf, without a bit of technique or taste, screwed-up rhyme
schemes, produced only to drum up a half-assed theology (i.e., that somehow,
some way, in some parallel universe somewhere...) that 9/11 occurred without
any responsibility, blame, or consequence to the agenda of George WMD Bush's
handlers.
Go back and screen the "My Pet Goat" video at tell me that's the look of a
Leader of the Free World who's in touch with the threats facing America.
Now try again, with a straight face.
Even *if* -- and this is a hypothetical on the level of a world with
unicorns and rivers of strawberry jam -- even *if* the Clinton
Administration's efforts to take out Osama bin Laden were inadequate, George
WMD Bush was forewarned and given an apparatus that (if we are to assume the
Scaife-ites' claim that "Clinton was *so* close to getting him") might have
averted 9/11 if Shrub's people had simply been *paying attention!!!*
Instead, it was time to take a month off and clear brush. Instead, "Osama
bin Laden Determined to Attack the U.S" was ignored (or, at best, Shrub had
someone read it to him. Whether he actually paid attention is suspect,
giving his priority at the time: to milk a male horse).
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| User: "robw" |
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12 Sep 2006 08:43:47 PM |
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It wasn't a documentary.
Perhaps your problem?
"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:93HNg.5014$y61.1288@fed1read05...
robw wrote:
Yes, there are.
We, as I'm sure many, have one built into our cable box.
But the "overnights" say more people were watching football. On Sunday
night
they were watching cartoons on Fox, then football, then Path.
Here's the problem: If people didn't actually *watch* the show, they
really have no standing to criticize it. I tried to watch it, but found
the pace unbearable. They tried to dramatize everything by dragging it
out, mixing the sound so that it was muddy, and using a generally
subdued colorspace. I see right through tricks like this. I watch a
documentary for the same reason I read a reference book: To absorb the
information contained therein. The ABC documentary by trying too hard
to dramatize the events and characters, makes it difficult to get
information.
But I still feel an obligation to sit through the material before I
engage in criticism of it. On the newsgroup, one form of criticism is
that "more people watched football." That's just a reverse ad-populum
argument though. It says nothing about the veracity of the documentary
or of its effectiveness at persuading. (The Republicans know already
that they don't really need to persuade the Monday Night Football crowd.
Most of them don't bother to vote at all, and of those that do vote, at
least half are solid straight-ticket GOP voters anyway.)
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