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'No credible evidence' of al Qaeda-Iraq link. |
Thursday, June 17, 2004
9-11 panel finds 'no credible evidence' of link between al-Qaida and Iraq
By The Associated Press and The Washington Post
WASHINGTON - Rebuffing Bush administration claims, the independent
commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said yesterday that no
evidence exists that al-Qaida had strong ties to Saddam Hussein. The
commission also said the terrorist network had envisioned a much larger
attack on the U.S. and is working hard to strike again.
Although al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden asked for help from Iraq in the
mid-1990s, Saddam's government never responded, according to a report by the
commission staff based on interviews with government intelligence and
law-enforcement officials. The report said "no credible evidence" has
emerged that Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.
The commission staff said suspected Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh
Mohammed initially outlined an attack involving 10 aircraft targeting both
U.S. coasts, including Washington state. Mohammed proposed that he pilot one
of the planes, kill all the male passengers, land the plane at a U.S.
airport and make a "speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East
before releasing all the women and children," the report said.
Bin Laden rejected that plan as too complex, deciding instead on four
aircraft piloted by handpicked terrorists. The report said the targets were
chosen based on symbolism: the Pentagon, which represented the U.S.
military; the World Trade Center, a symbol of American economic strength;
the Capitol, the perceived source of U.S. support for Israel; and the White
House. Training for the attacks began in 1999.
The attacks were planned for as early as May 2001, but they were pushed back
to September, partly because al-Qaida sought to strike when Congress would
be at the Capitol. A second wave of hijackings never materialized because
Mohammed was too busy planning the Sept. 11 attacks, according to the
report.
Al-Qaida is actively trying to replicate the destruction of that day, the
report said, although it has been weakened by losing its sanctuary in
Afghanistan and many leaders to U.S. strikes and arrests.
Under questioning, John Pistole, the FBI's top counterterrorism official,
told the commission that the government "has probably prevented a few
aviation attacks" in the United States since Sept. 11 but that some
operatives in those plots are still at large.
The findings were released as the commission began its final two days of
hearings on the terrorist attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people. Today's
hearing will focus on the Federal Aviation Administration and U.S. air
defenses. The commission's final report is due July 26.
The conclusions that al-Qaida and Iraq had no cooperative relationship run
counter to repeated assertions by President Bush, Vice President ***** Cheney
and other administration officials. The claims that bin Laden and Saddam
were in league were central to the administration's justification for going
to war in Iraq.
As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that the Iraqi president "had
long-established ties with al-Qaida." And last fall he cited what he called
a credible but unconfirmed intelligence report that Mohamed Atta, ringleader
of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, met in the Czech Republic with a senior Iraqi
intelligence official before the attacks.
The commission concluded no such meeting had occurred.
Secretary of State Colin Powell, asked about the commission report, said the
administration stands by its assertions that there were links between
al-Qaida and Iraq.
"I think we have said, and it is clear, that there is a connection, and we
have seen these connections between al-Qaida and the regime of Saddam
Hussein and we stick with that," Powell said in an interview on the
al-Jazeera television network. "We have not said it was related to 9-11."
The commission report said bin Laden, then in Sudan, met with an Iraqi
intelligence officer in 1994 to request space for al-Qaida training camps
and assistance in obtaining weapons, "but Iraq apparently never responded."
The meeting occurred even though bin Laden opposed Saddam's secular
government and had sponsored anti-Saddam operatives in Iraq's Kurdish
region.
The camps that were established in Afghanistan after bin Laden moved there
in 1996 produced as many as 20,000 al-Qaida operatives and encouraged
trainees to "think creatively about ways to commit mass murder," the report
said.
The Sept. 11 plot gradually evolved from Mohammed's original vision but was
hardly a seamless operation, the commission report said. Mohammed, who is in
U.S. custody at an undisclosed overseas location, wanted up to 26 operatives
for the four-plane plot, but only 19 participated because visa problems,
family objections and other reasons kept some from entering the U.S.
The report reveals serious rifts among the hijackers and within the upper
ranks of al-Qaida. One of the pilots crucial to the hijack plan, Ziad
Jarrah, nearly abandoned the plot altogether, and probably would have been
replaced by alleged conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person in the
United States charged in connection with the attacks, the report concludes.
Planning for the assaults began in earnest in 1999. The targets considered
over the next two years included not only those hit on Sept. 11, 2001, but
also the headquarters of the CIA and FBI, nuclear power plants, and the
"tallest buildings in California and Washington state," according to the
report. Bin Laden was intent on striking the White House, while Atta and
Mohammed argued that the Capitol was an easier target.
Atta told plot coordinator Ramzi Binalshibh that he would try to hit the
White House but reserved the option to have Jarrah divert toward the Capitol
if that proved impossible. As late as Sept. 9, 2001, the report indicates,
the fourth target may have remained uncertain.
The investigators indicate that plan was beset by organizational problems
and personality conflicts. Perhaps the most serious conflict was the one
that developed between ringleader Atta and Jarrah, a trained pilot who would
help commandeer Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. In a coded
message, Mohammed referred to the two as an unhappy couple on the cusp of
divorce.
Bin Laden also had to overcome objections to attacking the U.S. from Mullah
Mohammed Omar, the Taliban leader who was under pressure from his Pakistani
supporters to contain al-Qaida.
Omar, like bin Laden, has eluded U.S. capture.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001958076_panel17.html
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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who met with Bush in Texas earlier this
month (April 2004), told the French newspaper Le Monde that "there exists
today a hatred [of America] never equaled in the region." And Jordan's King
Abdullah, already in the US, abruptly cancelled a scheduled visit to the
White House last week.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0426/p02s02-usfp.html
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22 Jun 2004 10:29:05 PM |
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thursday, June 17, 2004
June 17th, old news, try to keep will you? Both Kean and Hamilton have come
out publicly in slapping the media on such misreporting.
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| User: "Sogobia" |
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22 Jun 2004 10:35:07 PM |
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thursday, June 17, 2004
June 17th, old news, try to keep will you? Both Kean and Hamilton have
come
out publicly in slapping the media on such misreporting.
Old, hardly.
It looks to me that Bush has you so deceived that you've come to believe his
lies.
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CIA: No Iraqi officer link in al-Qaida meeting
White House official denies commissioner's statement that tied Saddam's
Fedayeen unit to al-Qaida
By Knut Royce
Washington Bureau
June 22, 2004
WASHINGTON -- The CIA concluded "a long time ago" that an al-Qaida associate
who met with two of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Malaysia was not an officer in
Saddam Hussein's army, as alleged Sunday by a Republican member of the 9/11
commission.
Commissioner John Lehman, who was Navy secretary under Ronald Reagan, said
"new ... documents" indicated that "at least one officer of Saddam's
Fedayeen," an elite army unit, "was a very prominent member of al-Qaida."
Lehman's remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" lent support to the Bush
administration's insistence that there were strong ties between Hussein and
al-Qaida.
The administration official said the CIA and U.S. Army obtained the lists of
members of the Fedayeen shortly after the invasion of Iraq last year. Some,
he said, had names "similar to" Ahmad Hikmat Shakir. But, he said, the CIA
had concluded "a long time ago" that none were the al-Qaida associate. He
would not say whether the al-Qaida associate is in U.S. custody. Other
sources said he was not.
-cont.-
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia223863038jun22,0,6059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
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http://www.costofwar.com/
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx
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22 Jun 2004 10:55:46 PM |
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thursday, June 17, 2004
June 17th, old news, try to keep will you? Both Kean and Hamilton have
come
out publicly in slapping the media on such misreporting.
Old, hardly.
It looks to me that Bush has you so deceived that you've come to believe
his
lies.
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
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| User: "Sogobia" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:07:30 PM |
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"Sogobia" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thursday, June 17, 2004
June 17th, old news, try to keep will you? Both Kean and Hamilton
have
come
out publicly in slapping the media on such misreporting.
Old, hardly.
It looks to me that Bush has you so deceived that you've come to believe
his
lies.
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
If it is so obvious then jump to it.
These articles clearly lay out the case against the Bush administration's
attempt to deceive the public regarding Iraq-al Qaeda ties before the
invasion.
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June 22, 2004
Latest Iraq-al Qaeda "Evidence" Proves False
http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df06222004.html
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"That they deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true.
We were taken for a ride," Kwasniewski said Thursday (March 18, 2004).
Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland's President
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20040318/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_poland_weapons_040318151606&e=4
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"I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the
grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He
ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to
stop 9/11," Clarke told CBS.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=OOFRZ1W2YPAUCCRBAE0CFFA?type=topNews&storyID=4614435
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22 Jun 2004 11:00:31 PM |
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In article <6b7Cc.132553$3x.17600@attbi_s54>,
Liberal Divide <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
You on the other hand have contributed absolutely nothing.
There is more evidence of a Rumsfeld-Saddam link than there
is of an al Qaeda-Saddam link. In fact there is footage
of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld.
There is no credible evidence of a link between bin Laden and
Saddam. Quite the contrary, they were enemies. There was not
even a temporary alliance as there was between Reagan and
Saddam.
--bks
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| User: "Sogobia" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:09:11 PM |
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"Bradley K. Sherman" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <6b7Cc.132553$3x.17600@attbi_s54>,
Liberal Divide <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability
to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
You on the other hand have contributed absolutely nothing.
There is more evidence of a Rumsfeld-Saddam link than there
is of an al Qaeda-Saddam link. In fact there is footage
of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld.
There is no credible evidence of a link between bin Laden and
Saddam. Quite the contrary, they were enemies. There was not
even a temporary alliance as there was between Reagan and
Saddam.
--bks
These guys are desperate.
Wanna see Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand?
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The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S.
had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and
military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official
neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald
Reagan. These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security
Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the
Middle East.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
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| User: "Liberal Divide" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:02:46 PM |
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"Bradley K. Sherman" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <6b7Cc.132553$3x.17600@attbi_s54>,
Liberal Divide <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability
to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
You on the other hand have contributed absolutely nothing.
There is more evidence of a Rumsfeld-Saddam link than there
is of an al Qaeda-Saddam link. In fact there is footage
of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld.
There is no credible evidence of a link between bin Laden and
Saddam. Quite the contrary, they were enemies. There was not
even a temporary alliance as there was between Reagan and
Saddam.
The 9/11 commission disagrees with you and has publicly stated their
concerns with media misreporting.
Try informing yourself. Many such posts referencing this fact have been
posted in this newsgroup.
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| User: "Sogobia" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:15:40 PM |
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"Bradley K. Sherman" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
news:cbav8v$9ou$1@panix1.panix.com...
In article <6b7Cc.132553$3x.17600@attbi_s54>,
Liberal Divide <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability
to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
You on the other hand have contributed absolutely nothing.
There is more evidence of a Rumsfeld-Saddam link than there
is of an al Qaeda-Saddam link. In fact there is footage
of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld.
There is no credible evidence of a link between bin Laden and
Saddam. Quite the contrary, they were enemies. There was not
even a temporary alliance as there was between Reagan and
Saddam.
The 9/11 commission disagrees with you and has publicly stated their
concerns with media misreporting.
Try informing yourself. Many such posts referencing this fact have been
posted in this newsgroup.
That still doesn't offer any substance to the connection between Iraq-al
Qaeda that the Bush admin offers. On the other hand I have posted at least
one article disproving the connection that they offered, the article was
dated June 21, 2004. Is that fresh enough for you?
Bush/Cheney also claimed there was WMD around every corner in Iraq and that
has been disproven beyond a doubt.
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Posted on Mon, Jun. 21, 2004
Intelligence experts cast doubt on ties between Iraq, al-Qaida
By Jonathan S. Landay
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - Defenders of President Bush's charges that Saddam Hussein
worked with al-Qaida have been citing what they say is new evidence that
could help substantiate one of the administration's main justifications for
invading Iraq.
They say the evidence is the name of a paramilitary officer in captured
documents that appears identical to that of an Iraqi who met two Sept. 11
hijackers in Malaysia nearly two years before the attacks in New York and
Washington.
But U.S. officials told Knight Ridder on Monday that U.S. intelligence
experts were highly skeptical that the Iraqi officer had any connection to
al-Qaida.
On Sunday, John F. Lehman, a Republican member of the independent commission
that's probing the attacks, cited the documents as "new intelligence" on
Iraq's links with al-Qaida.
"We are in the process of getting this latest intelligence," Lehman said on
NBC. "Some of these documents indicate that there is at least one officer of
Saddam's Fedayeen, a lieutenant colonel, who was a very prominent member of
al-Qaida. This still has to be confirmed."
The U.S. officials said the lieutenant colonel's name is different from that
of the man who met the hijackers in Malaysia. The man who met the hijackers
wasn't in Iraq at the time the documents were dated and he's never been
implicated in the Sept. 11 plot by any top al-Qaida operatives in American
custody.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the documents remain
classified.
The officials said they were unsure why Lehman portrayed the documents as
possible new intelligence on Iraq's links to al-Qaida. The documents have
been cited by such staunch administration defenders as conservative author
Stephen F. Hayes and The Wall Street Journal editorial page.
Lehman didn't return a telephone call to his office in New York. A spokesman
for the commission said he couldn't answer questions about the intelligence
Lehman cited Sunday.
Bush justified invading Iraq in part by alleging that Saddam aided al-Qaida
and could have armed the terrorist network with biological or chemical
weapons.
Lehman on Sunday apparently was referring to three rosters seized after last
year's fall of Baghdad that listed members of the Fedayeen Saddam, a militia
headed by Saddam's eldest son, Odai. The militia fought fierce
guerrilla-style battles against invading American-led troops.
Two of the rosters identified a lieutenant colonel in the militia as Hikmat
Shakir Ahmad, and the third identified an officer of the same rank as Hikmat
Shakir, the U.S. officials said.
Some civilian officials in the Pentagon and other experts have suggested
that the officer may have been the same person as Ahmad Hikmat Shakir, an
Iraqi at the center of an unresolved subchapter of the Sept. 11 plot.
Ahmad Hikmat Shakir was employed with the aid of an Iraqi intelligence
officer as a "greeter" or "facilitator" for Arabic-speaking visitors at the
airport at Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
In January 2000, he accompanied two Sept. 11 hijackers from the airport to a
hotel where the pair met with Ramzi Binalshibh, a key planner of the
attacks, and Tawfiz al Atash, who masterminded al-Qaida's strike on the USS
Cole in October 2000.
There's no evidence that Ahmad Hikmat Shakir attended the meeting. Four days
after it ended, he left Kuala Lumpur.
Several days after the Sept. 11 attacks, Ahmad Hikmat Shakir was arrested in
Qatar in possession of highly suspicious materials that appeared to link him
with al-Qaida.
The Qataris inexplicably released him, and he flew to Amman, Jordan, where
he was arrested again. The Jordanians freed him under pressure from Iraq and
Amnesty International, and he went to Baghdad.
Some civilian Pentagon officials and other experts have cited Ahmad Hikmat
Shakir as potential evidence of an Iraqi role in the Sept. 11 conspiracy, a
possibility that grew with the discovery of the lieutenant colonel's name on
the Fedayeen Saddam rosters.
But the U.S. officials who spoke to Knight Ridder on Monday said there were
a number of reasons that intelligence analysts doubted that the officer was
the same Iraqi who met the two Sept. 11 hijackers in Kuala Lumpur.
First, they said, the order in which the names were entered on the rosters
was different from the name of the Iraqi who worked in Malaysia, indicating
that the names didn't belong to the same person.
"It's very confusing, but it's not the same guy," one U.S. official said.
More importantly, the U.S. officials said, U.S. intelligence analysts have
determined that on the dates marked on the rosters, the man who met the
hijackers in Malaysia wasn't in Iraq. The officials declined to reveal the
dates.
Finally, the Fedayeen Saddam was employed for security duties strictly in
Iraq and wasn't involved in foreign operations, which were the
responsibility of Iraqi intelligence, the U.S. officials said.
They said that while no conclusion had been reached on whether the Iraqi who
met the hijackers in Malaysia was involved in the Sept. 11 plot, U.S.
intelligence analysts were highly skeptical that he was. They said their
view was based on the fact that no major al-Qaida operative in American
custody, including Binalshibh, had implicated him in interrogations.
"It's quite possible he was just a greeter," a second U.S. official said.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
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"That they deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true.
We were taken for a ride," Kwasniewski said Thursday (March 18, 2004).
Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland's President
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20040318/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_poland_weapons_040318151606&e=4
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22 Jun 2004 11:32:49 PM |
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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The 9/11 commission disagrees with you and has publicly stated their
concerns with media misreporting.
Cite, please.
Hint: you can forget about Lehman claiming that Iraqi officer was an Al
Queda member. That one died today.
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-Mr. N
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"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-George W. Bush, April 9, 1999
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| User: "Bradley K. Sherman" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:08:20 PM |
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In article <Gh7Cc.132595$3x.90823@attbi_s54>,
Liberal Divide <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
"Bradley K. Sherman" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
news:cbav8v$9ou$1@panix1.panix.com...
In article <6b7Cc.132553$3x.17600@attbi_s54>,
Liberal Divide <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
No, it seems to me that you take news at face value and have no ability
to
pull from it what is accurate and what is slanted.
You on the other hand have contributed absolutely nothing.
There is more evidence of a Rumsfeld-Saddam link than there
is of an al Qaeda-Saddam link. In fact there is footage
of Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld.
There is no credible evidence of a link between bin Laden and
Saddam. Quite the contrary, they were enemies. There was not
even a temporary alliance as there was between Reagan and
Saddam.
The 9/11 commission disagrees with you and has publicly stated their
concerns with media misreporting.
Try informing yourself. Many such posts referencing this fact have been
posted in this newsgroup.
Right, many such posts, but you cannot cite even one.
--bks
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23 Jun 2004 11:24:13 AM |
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I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
I bet he had to tell his cleric about it in the moslem equivalent of the
confessional.
What is the world coming to?
The more important question is: "Would Saddam shake hands with Rummy,
today?"
Lord Shiva, Protect Me From The Clutches Of Schmucks -- S. K. Nanda
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23 Jun 2004 12:31:38 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:24:13 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld selling saddam the technology and knowledge needed
to gas the kurds. I'm shocked.
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23 Jun 2004 12:48:38 PM |
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"A. Dulcimer" <ADulcimer@network23.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:24:13 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld selling saddam the technology and knowledge needed
to gas the kurds. I'm shocked.
Imagine, if we all knew what would happen tomorrow.
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23 Jun 2004 01:17:57 PM |
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"A. Dulcimer" <ADulcimer@network23.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:24:13 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
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I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld selling saddam the technology and knowledge needed
to gas the kurds. I'm shocked.
Imagine, if we all knew what would happen tomorrow.
Imagine, if we all knew what happened yesterday.
In November 1983, Reagan administration officials wrote memos
discussing Iraq's use of chemical weapons.
you may read a summary and documentation here:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
The photo of Rummy and Saddy shaking hands came from
December, one month later, when Reagan officials decided
to continue the support of Saddam with more weaponry and
money.
The really cool thing we did back then was to work with our
western allies to force a 'no decision' on the UN article brought
by Iran to condemn Iraq, and at the very least abstain from
the vote. Check out Article 47.
mike
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| User: "Liberal Divide" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:00:36 PM |
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"Mike Sullivan" <sul@SNIPslac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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"A. Dulcimer" <ADulcimer@network23.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:24:13 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with
Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld selling saddam the technology and knowledge needed
to gas the kurds. I'm shocked.
Imagine, if we all knew what would happen tomorrow.
Imagine, if we all knew what happened yesterday.
You're an idiot. Trying to manipulate history like that accomplishes what
exactly? Misinforming the public? To what truly productive end?
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| User: "Mike Sullivan" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:13:46 PM |
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Sullivan" <sul@SNIPslac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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Imagine, if we all knew what would happen tomorrow.
Imagine, if we all knew what happened yesterday.
You're an idiot. Trying to manipulate history like that accomplishes what
exactly? Misinforming the public? To what truly productive end?
Did you read something in that archive that I didn't?
What is the manipulation, putz?
mike
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| User: "A. Dulcimer" |
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| Title: Re: 'No credible evidence' of al Qaeda-Iraq link. |
23 Jun 2004 04:22:36 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:00:36 GMT, "Liberal Divide"
<liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
"Mike Sullivan" <sul@SNIPslac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"A. Dulcimer" <ADulcimer@network23.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:24:13 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with
Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld selling saddam the technology and knowledge needed
to gas the kurds. I'm shocked.
Imagine, if we all knew what would happen tomorrow.
Imagine, if we all knew what happened yesterday.
You're an idiot. Trying to manipulate history like that accomplishes what
exactly? Misinforming the public? To what truly productive end?
Who in this thread manipulated history? The Reagan administration sold
saddam the technology needed to gas the kurds (they also provided him
with logistics info to ensure his attacks would be accurate). They
also trained him in its use. Rumsfeld was a big part of that
operation. When the Democrats in the house passed legislation to stop
the export of this technology to Iraq, the republican senate killed
it..
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| User: "Liberal Divide" |
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| Title: Re: 'No credible evidence' of al Qaeda-Iraq link. |
23 Jun 2004 05:20:25 PM |
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"A. Dulcimer" <ADulcimer@network23.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:00:36 GMT, "Liberal Divide"
<liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote:
"Mike Sullivan" <sul@SNIPslac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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"Liberal Divide" <liberals@dividingthecountry.com> wrote in message
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"A. Dulcimer" <ADulcimer@network23.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:24:13 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
I am totally shocked! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld, on a diplomatic mission, shaking hands with
Saddam.
Imagine, Saddam shaking hands with Rumsfeld! Shocked!
Imagine, Rumsfeld selling saddam the technology and knowledge
needed
to gas the kurds. I'm shocked.
Imagine, if we all knew what would happen tomorrow.
Imagine, if we all knew what happened yesterday.
You're an idiot. Trying to manipulate history like that accomplishes
what
exactly? Misinforming the public? To what truly productive end?
Who in this thread manipulated history?
You, by distorting factors such as circumstances and intent. And even if
your finger pointing was to be considered valid, Bush brought an end to it
all. And you're all about putting a stop to the evil things such as what
Saddam ended up doing right? What's the matter, you don't like 'closure'?
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