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No Evidence Supports Administration's Claims of Iraq, al-Qaida, 9/11 Links |
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040617/D838E9J80.html
9/11 Panel Disputes Iraq Link to Attacks
Jun 16, 8:24 PM (ET)
By CURT ANDERSON
WASHINGTON (AP) - Rebuffing Bush administration claims, the
independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said
Wednesday no evidence exists that al-Qaida had strong ties to Saddam
Hussein. In hair-raising detail, the commission said the terror
network had envisioned a much larger attack and is working hard to
strike again.
Although Osama bin Laden asked for help from Iraq in the
mid-1990s, Saddam's government never responded, according to a report
by the commission staff based on interviews with government
intelligence and law enforcement officials. The report asserted "no
credible evidence" has emerged that Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11
strikes.
***
Commission member Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from
Nebraska, expressed exasperation that the government did not act with
greater urgency against bin Laden, given what was known about al-Qaida
before 2001.
"I believe that we missed a tremendous opportunity very early in
this game to inform the Congress, inform the American people who bin
Laden was, what he was doing, what he had done and as a consequence I
think we simply didn't rally until it was too late," Kerrey said.
***
The conclusions that al-Qaida and Iraq had no cooperative
relationship run counter to repeated assertions by President Bush,
Vice President ***** Cheney and other administration officials. The
claims that bin Laden and Saddam were in league were central to the
administration's justification for going to war in Iraq.
As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that the Iraqi
president "had long-established ties with al-Qaida." And last fall he
cited what he called a credible but unconfirmed intelligence report
that Mohamed Atta, ringleader of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, met in
Prague, Czech Republic, with a senior Iraqi intelligence official
before the attacks.
The commission concluded no such meeting occurred.
***
Secretary of State Colin Powell, asked about the commission
report, said the administration stands by its assertions that there
were links between al-Qaida and Iraq.
"I think we have said, and it is clear, that there is a
connection, and we have seen these connections between al-Qaida and
the regime of Saddam Hussein and we stick with that," Powell said in
an interview on the al-Jazeera television network. "We have not said
it was related to 9/11."
***
On the Net:
Sept. 11 panel: <http://www.9-11commission.gov>
Text of the reports is available at:
<http://wid.ap.org/documents/911/040616staff15.pdf>
<http://wid.ap.org/documents/911/040616staff16.pdf>
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16 Jun 2004 08:54:36 PM |
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(rbbomber) wrote in
news:7e483417.0406161729.643341d9@posting.google.com:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040617/D838E9J80.html
House GOP disputes the 9-11 finding
By Jonathan E. Kaplan
House Republican lawmakers are disputing the Sept. 11 commission’s new
finding that there is “no credible evidence” showing Iraq and al Qaeda
worked together to attack the United States.
The GOP comments signify the latest rift between congressional
Republicans and the commission. Many Republicans on Capitol Hill believe
the panel has become partisan, and some have objected to the amount of
media interviews commissioners have granted over the past couple of
months. This tension has led some to speculate that Hill Republicans are
unlikely to embrace the panel’s final recommendations, which are expected
to be released at the end of July.
Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee,
told The Hill: “I don’t put much credence in the 9-11 panel,” adding that
he had not yet read the new report.
The report says that contacts between Iraq and Osama bin Laden “do not
appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin
Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed. … We have
no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on attacks against
the United States.”
But when pressed on the specifics of the report, Republican lawmakers
glossed over the lack of so-called “operational” evidence and pointed to
the fact that al Qaeda and Iraq share the same goal of killing Americans.
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), the chairwoman of the International
Affairs Middle East Subcommittee, said: “Whether or not there is a direct
link to the World Trade Center does not mean that Iraq is not meritorious
of shedding blood. The common link is that they hate America.”
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| User: "Adam Russell" |
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16 Jun 2004 11:33:44 PM |
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"Drifter" <drifter405@aol.com> wrote in message
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rbbomber@netzero.com (rbbomber) wrote in
news:7e483417.0406161729.643341d9@posting.google.com:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040617/D838E9J80.html
House GOP disputes the 9-11 finding
By Jonathan E. Kaplan
House Republican lawmakers are disputing the Sept. 11 commission's new
finding that there is "no credible evidence" showing Iraq and al Qaeda
worked together to attack the United States.
The GOP comments signify the latest rift between congressional
Republicans and the commission. Many Republicans on Capitol Hill believe
the panel has become partisan,
But I thought that half the commission was from the Republican party? Is
that true or not true? Since the word partisan means biased toward one
party, I would think an equal number from each party would guarantee that
the commission could not be partisan. Is this making any sense?
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| User: "LivingReminder" |
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16 Jun 2004 09:16:24 PM |
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Drifter <drifter405@aol.com> wrote in
news:wR6Ac.6751$sp5.2334@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com:
rbbomber@netzero.com (rbbomber) wrote in
news:7e483417.0406161729.643341d9@posting.google.com:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040617/D838E9J80.html
House GOP disputes the 9-11 finding
By Jonathan E. Kaplan
House Republican lawmakers are disputing the Sept. 11 commission’s new
finding that there is “no credible evidence” showing Iraq and al Qaeda
worked together to attack the United States.
The GOP comments signify the latest rift between congressional
Republicans and the commission. Many Republicans on Capitol Hill
believe the panel has become partisan, and some have objected to the
amount of media interviews commissioners have granted over the past
couple of months. This tension has led some to speculate that Hill
Republicans are unlikely to embrace the panel’s final recommendations,
which are expected to be released at the end of July.
Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), a member of the House Intelligence
Committee, told The Hill: “I don’t put much credence in the 9-11
panel,” adding that he had not yet read the new report.
The report says that contacts between Iraq and Osama bin Laden “do not
appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior
bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed. … We
have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on attacks
against the United States.”
But when pressed on the specifics of the report, Republican lawmakers
glossed over the lack of so-called “operational” evidence and pointed
to the fact that al Qaeda and Iraq share the same goal of killing
Americans.
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), the chairwoman of the International
Affairs Middle East Subcommittee, said: “Whether or not there is a
direct link to the World Trade Center does not mean that Iraq is not
meritorious of shedding blood. The common link is that they hate
America.”
They don't like the report so they will just ignore it. What's new?
These republican lawmakers are the lowest form of American. Pure trash
who care nothing for the law, the truth, or anyones rights. There only
purpose is to expand their own wealth and power on the backs of the
American people.
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| User: "rbbomber" |
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17 Jun 2004 10:40:27 AM |
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Drifter <drifter405@aol.com> wrote in message news:<wR6Ac.6751$sp5.2334@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>...
rbbomber@netzero.com (rbbomber) wrote in
news:7e483417.0406161729.643341d9@posting.google.com:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040617/D838E9J80.html
Someone using the pseudonmy "Drifter" distorted my post of 6/16/04,
#7e483417.0406161729.643341d9@posting.google.com
in which I offered extracts from the Associated Press story briefly
described above. "Drifter" deleted the extracts and the link to the
9/11 Commission's report that followed them. "Drifter then
substituted, without a link, a story about Republican rejection of the
Commission's findings. Here is the original post:
Someone using the pseudonmy "Drifter" distorted my post of 6/16/04,
#7e483417.0406161729.643341d9@posting.google.com
in which I offered extracts from the Associated Press story briefly
described above. "Drifter" deleted the extracts and the link to the
9/11 Commission's report that followed them. "Drifter then
substituted, without a link, a story about Republican rejection of the
Commission's findings. Here is the original post.
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040617/D838E9J80.html
9/11 Panel Disputes Iraq Link to Attacks
Jun 16, 8:24 PM (ET)
By CURT ANDERSON
WASHINGTON (AP) - Rebuffing Bush administration claims, the
independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks said
Wednesday no evidence exists that al-Qaida had strong ties to Saddam
Hussein. In hair-raising detail, the commission said the terror
network had envisioned a much larger attack and is working hard to
strike again.
Although Osama bin Laden asked for help from Iraq in the
mid-1990s, Saddam's government never responded, according to a report
by the commission staff based on interviews with government
intelligence and law enforcement officials. The report asserted "no
credible evidence" has emerged that Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11
strikes.
***
Commission member Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from
Nebraska, expressed exasperation that the government did not act with
greater urgency against bin Laden, given what was known about al-Qaida
before 2001.
"I believe that we missed a tremendous opportunity very early in this
game to inform the Congress, inform the American people who bin Laden
was, what he was doing, what he had done and as a consequence I think
we simply didn't rally until it was too late," Kerrey said.
***
The conclusions that al-Qaida and Iraq had no cooperative
relationship run counter to repeated assertions by President Bush,
Vice President ***** Cheney and other administration officials. The
claims that bin Laden and Saddam were in league were central to the
administration's justification for going to war in Iraq.
As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that the Iraqi
president "had long-established ties with al-Qaida." And last fall he
cited what he called a credible but unconfirmed intelligence report
that Mohamed Atta, ringleader of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, met in
Prague, Czech Republic, with a senior Iraqi intelligence official
before the attacks.
The commission concluded no such meeting occurred.
***
Secretary of State Colin Powell, asked about the commission
report, said the administration stands by its assertions that there
were links between al-Qaida and Iraq.
"I think we have said, and it is clear, that there is a
connection, and we have seen these connections between al-Qaida and
the regime of Saddam Hussein and we stick with that," Powell said in
an interview on the al-Jazeera television network. "We have not said
it was related to 9/11."
***
On the Net:
Sept. 11 panel: <http://www.9-11commission.gov>
Text of the reports is available at:
<http://wid.ap.org/documents/911/040616staff15.pdf>
<http://wid.ap.org/documents/911/040616staff16.pdf>
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16 Jun 2004 09:14:54 PM |
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rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
Cheney is scary.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)
"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.
If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister
"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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17 Jun 2004 03:51:37 AM |
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In article <y87Ac.1223$SD7.1005@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>
gaffo <gaffo@usenet.net> wrote:
rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press
story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence
that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding
ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there
was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
Facing reality isn't one of the Bushies' strong suits.
Nor is accepting responsibility.
Even Republicans are beginning to realize that.
Cheney is scary.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does
oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change
in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the
darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)
"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush
administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to
figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them
to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that
the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what
the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.
If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative
rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a
human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by
the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay
home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic
conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are
killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American
soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was
dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef
cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the
Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister
"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's
administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and
it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,'
Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and
trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the
problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's
a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be
organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation
conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter
imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam
Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military
action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers
pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary
endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John
Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage,
Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W.
Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert
B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11,
the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government
to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be
given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that
sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are
going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and
some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days
and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will
be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less
good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not
this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what
I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And
we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to
understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm
a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy
matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We
know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at
hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and
we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear
weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended
that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant
capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be
successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really
have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been
in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been
done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day
and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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| User: "Steven Litvintchouk" |
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17 Jun 2004 10:40:17 AM |
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gaffo wrote:
rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
If your standard of being a "lying f**k" is to flatly contradict the
9-11 Commission, then Michael Moore is a lying f**k.
Because several MONTHS ago, the 9-11 Commission found absolutely nothing
wrong with the evacuation of the Saudis in the days after 9-11.
--
Steven L.
"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy,
and he achieved his goal."
-- Gennady Gerasimov (top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign
Ministry during the 1980s)
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| User: "Warren Stupidity" |
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17 Jun 2004 09:11:08 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:40:17 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
gaffo wrote:
rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
If your standard of being a "lying f**k" is to flatly contradict the
9-11 Commission, then Michael Moore is a lying f**k.
Because several MONTHS ago, the 9-11 Commission found absolutely nothing
wrong with the evacuation of the Saudis in the days after 9-11.
Lets accept your premise, that Mr. Moore is also a liar. Now here is
my suggestion: don't ever vote for Mr. Moore to be president of the
USA. If Mr. Moore is president of the USA, work as hard as you can to
make sure he stops being president of the USA as soon as possible. OK?
The Washington NeoClowns can't even get their clown
shoes on right, and there is no wrong way to do that.
==
Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event like a
new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century,
-- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire.
http://www.newamericancentury.org
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| User: "Arnold Dulcimer" |
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17 Jun 2004 10:50:39 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:40:17 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
gaffo wrote:
rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
If your standard of being a "lying f**k" is to flatly contradict the
9-11 Commission, then Michael Moore is a lying f**k.
Because several MONTHS ago, the 9-11 Commission found absolutely nothing
wrong with the evacuation of the Saudis in the days after 9-11.
You mean the Bin Ladens. Do YOU find anything wrong with it? I
certainly do. BTW , just how was it that mere hours after the attacks
they KNEW it was bin laden?
and how does pointing out the facts about the evacuation make Michael
Moore a liar?
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| User: "Steven Litvintchouk" |
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17 Jun 2004 03:07:18 PM |
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Arnold Dulcimer wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:40:17 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
gaffo wrote:
rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
If your standard of being a "lying f**k" is to flatly contradict the
9-11 Commission, then Michael Moore is a lying f**k.
Because several MONTHS ago, the 9-11 Commission found absolutely nothing
wrong with the evacuation of the Saudis in the days after 9-11.
You mean the Bin Ladens. Do YOU find anything wrong with it?
Since there is not the slightest shred of evidence that they had
anything to do with 9-11, nor that they could be of any assistance in
finding bin Laden, no I don't.
I
certainly do.
What exactly do you find that's wrong with it? I suggest you read what
the 9-11 Commission concluded about it before you answer that one.
BTW , just how was it that mere hours after the attacks
they KNEW it was bin laden?
Ask Clinton. He boasted that he knew it was bin Laden the moment he saw
the attack on TV. And he was already a private citizen at that time.
and how does pointing out the facts about the evacuation make Michael
Moore a liar?
That isn't a History Channel documentary that Moore produced. It's a
piece of left-wing propaganda that has used the evacuation to hint all
kinds of ominous things about the Bush Administration. Just like a lot
of lefties on these NGs.
If he--and you--had any integrity, you would have acknowledged that the
9-11 Commission investigated the issue and resolved it to their
satisfaction. The fact that you instantly glommed onto their statement
that there is no link between 9-11 and Iraq, while totally ignoring
their statement that there was absolutely nothing nefarious about the
evacuation, speaks volumes about what you left-wingers are trying to get
from the 9-11 Commission. It sure isn't insight into fighting terrorism
that you care about.
--
Steven L.
"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy,
and he achieved his goal."
-- Gennady Gerasimov (top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign
Ministry during the 1980s)
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: No Evidence Supports Administration's Claims of Iraq, al-Qaida,9/11 Links |
17 Jun 2004 07:45:35 PM |
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Steven Litvintchouk wrote:
Arnold Dulcimer wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:40:17 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
gaffo wrote:
rbbomber wrote:
Here is a link to, and excerpts from, an Associated Press story
reporting that the 9/11 Commission has found no evidence that would
support several claims made by the administration regarding ties
between Iraq, al-Qaida, and 9/11.
Ya - just today the lying ***** Cheney claimed AGAIN that there was a
link TODAY!!!!!!!!! same day of the 911 commission report!!!!
If your standard of being a "lying f**k" is to flatly contradict the
9-11 Commission, then Michael Moore is a lying f**k.
Because several MONTHS ago, the 9-11 Commission found absolutely
nothing wrong with the evacuation of the Saudis in the days after 9-11.
You mean the Bin Ladens. Do YOU find anything wrong with it?
Since there is not the slightest shred of evidence that they had
anything to do with 9-11, nor that they could be of any assistance in
finding bin Laden, no I don't.
I
certainly do.
What exactly do you find that's wrong with it? I suggest you read what
the 9-11 Commission concluded about it before you answer that one.
BTW , just how was it that mere hours after the attacks
they KNEW it was bin laden?
Ask Clinton. He boasted that he knew it was bin Laden the moment he saw
the attack on TV. And he was already a private citizen at that time.
and how does pointing out the facts about the evacuation make Michael
Moore a liar?
That isn't a History Channel documentary that Moore produced. It's a
piece of left-wing propaganda that has used the evacuation to hint all
kinds of ominous things about the Bush Administration. Just like a lot
of lefties on these NGs.
If he--and you--had any integrity, you would have acknowledged that the
9-11 Commission investigated the issue and resolved it to their
satisfaction. The fact that you instantly glommed onto their statement
that there is no link between 9-11 and Iraq,
yes - a fact - FACT - which the Chimpster KNEW when he lied about Iraq
to invade regardless of any facts contrary, and got Americans killed for
oil.
while totally ignoring
their statement that there was absolutely nothing nefarious about the
evacuation,
I don't ignore it. I'mnot with "z" in his conspiracy theories. Bin
Laden's and Bu$hes go back 25 yrs. He assumed that OBL was the prime
suspect and so wanted the Bin Labens out of the US (good for business
and all). Bu$hler does'nt have the balls to instigate 911.........but he
and Herr Cheney have the balls to use the aftermath to their advantage.
Lie about WMD and Saddam links to OBL - for Oil Grab...............and
all possible do to 911 "punch drunk" mindless/ignorant Amerikans calling
for raghead blood).
speaks volumes about what you left-wingers are trying to get
from the 9-11 Commission.
the Truth? - Reichwingers hate it don't they?
It sure isn't insight into fighting terrorism
that you care about.
You are the Terrorist to Liberty - we know who the real terrorists are
chump.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)
"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.
If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister
"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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