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User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 03 Mar 2004 12:23:55 PM
Object: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there?
``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.
He and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the information
involved is classified and could prove embarrassing to the White
House.

From The Mercury News, 3/3/04:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8093422.htm
More doubts over claim of Iraq links to Al-Qaida
By Warren P. Strobel, Jonathan S. Landay and John Walcott
Knight Ridder
WASHINGTON -
The Bush administration's claim that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had
ties to Al-Qaida -- one of the administration's central arguments for
a pre-emptive war -- appears to have been based on even less solid
intelligence than the administration's claims that Iraq had hidden
stocks of chemical and biological weapons.
Nearly a year after U.S. and British soldiers invaded Iraq, no
evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam's links with
Al-Qaida, and several key parts of the Bush administration's case
either have proved false or seem increasingly doubtful.
Senior U.S. officials now say there never was any evidence that
Saddam's secular police state and Osama bin Laden's Islamist terrorism
network were in league.
At most, there were occasional meetings.
Moreover, the U.S. intelligence community never concluded that those
meetings produced an operational relationship, U.S. officials said.
That verdict was in a secret report by the CIA's Directorate of
Intelligence that was updated in January 2003, on the eve of the war.
``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.
He and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the information
involved is classified and could prove embarrassing to the White
House.
The administration's allegations that Saddam still had weapons of mass
destruction have been the subject of much greater public and political
controversy.
They were based on the Iraqi leader's long history of duplicity
regarding weapons of mass destruction, which appeared to be confirmed
by spy satellite photographs, defectors and electronic eavesdropping.
But the evidence of Iraq's ties to Al-Qaida always was sketchy, based
largely on testimony of Iraqi defectors and prisoners, supplemented
with reports from foreign agents and eavesdropping.
Much of the evidence that is now available indicates that Iraq and
Al-Qaida had no close ties, despite repeated contacts between the two;
that the terrorists who administration officials claimed were links
between the two had no direct connection to either Saddam or bin
Laden; and that a key meeting between an Iraqi intelligence officer
and one of the leaders of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks probably
never happened.
A Knight Ridder review of the Bush administration statements on Iraq's
ties to terrorism and what is now known about the classified
intelligence has found that administration advocates of a pre-emptive
invasion frequently hyped sketchy and sometimes false information to
help make their case.
On two occasions, they neglected to report information that painted a
less sinister picture.
But before the war and since, Bush and his aides made rhetorical links
that now appear to have been leaps:
• Vice President ***** Cheney told National Public Radio in January
that there was ``overwhelming evidence'' of a relationship between
Saddam and Al-Qaida. Among the evidence he cited was Iraq's harboring
of Abdul Rahman Yasin, a suspect in the 1993 World Trade Center
bombing.
Cheney did not mention that Iraq had offered to turn over Yasin to the
FBI in 1998, in return for a U.S. statement acknowledging that Iraq
had no role in that attack. The Clinton administration refused the
offer, because it was unwilling to reward Iraq for returning a
fugitive.
• Administration officials reported that Farouk Hijazi, a top Iraqi
intelligence officer, had met with bin Laden in Kandahar, Afghanistan,
in 1998 and offered him safe haven in Iraq.
They left out the rest of the story, however. Bin Laden said he would
consider the offer, said U.S. intelligence officials. But according to
a report later made available to the CIA, the Al-Qaida leader told an
aide afterward that he had no intention of accepting Saddam's offer
because ``if we go there, it would be his agenda, not ours.''
• The administration tied Saddam to a terrorism network run by
Palestinian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. That network may be behind the
latest violence in Iraq, which killed at least 143 people Tuesday.
But U.S. officials say the evidence that Zarqawi had close operational
ties to Al-Qaida appears increasingly doubtful.
Asked for Cheney's views on Iraq and terrorism, vice-presidential
press representative Kevin Kellems referred Knight Ridder to the vice
president's TV interviews Tuesday.
Cheney, in an interview with CNN, said Zarqawi ran an
``Al-Qaida-affiliated'' group.
He cited an intercepted letter that Zarqawi is believed to have
written to Al-Qaida leaders, and a White House official who spoke only
on the condition of anonymity said the CIA has described Zarqawi as an
Al-Qaida ``associate.''
But U.S. officials say the Zarqawi letter contained a plea for help
that Al-Qaida rebuffed.
Linguistic analysis of the letter indicates it was written from one
equal to another, not from a subordinate to a superior, suggesting
that Zarqawi considered himself an independent operator and not a part
of bin Laden's organization.

____________________________________________________________
549 U.S. troops are dead in Iraq as of 3/3.
Harry
While Americans were dying in Vietnam Bush went AWOL
http://www.memphisflyer.com/content.asp?ID=2834&onthefly=1
.

User: "MysticRythyms"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 04 Mar 2004 12:00:39 AM
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<pl8c40h1u6g8jr35qmhcmm1ros9djddkkj@4ax.com>...

``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.

***** man. You want a proven link to Al Qaida???
Go take a look at the USA's friend and ALLY in the Middle East,
Saudi Arabia. There's your mother fucking link to Al Qaida.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything and were NOT a threat
to the USA in any way, shape or form. Saudi Arabia on the other
hand..........
They wouldn't attack the Saudi's cus they got all the "Texas Tea,"
"Black Gold," etc. and Dubya likes that *****. Saudi # 1 in OIL. Iraq
is # 2.
I guess that pretty much sums up the reasons for not going after the
REAL TERRORISTS and going to war in Iraq instead!! Dubya already has
his military base in Saudi. Now he needs one in Iraq!! ***** what's
more important?
A bunch of sand-niggers' lives or Dubya's precious oil profits not to
mention his and his cronies' Halliburton profits, etc.
It's pretty obvious what kind of MORALS old GW has.
FUCKING TURD THAT WON"T ***** FLUSH!!
.
User: "Joe Shmoe"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 04 Mar 2004 11:30:24 AM
(MysticRythyms) wrote in message news:<8ef54e4e.0403032200.10621d47@posting.google.com>...

Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<pl8c40h1u6g8jr35qmhcmm1ros9djddkkj@4ax.com>...

``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.



***** man. You want a proven link to Al Qaida???
Go take a look at the USA's friend and ALLY in the Middle East,
Saudi Arabia. There's your mother fucking link to Al Qaida.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything and were NOT a threat
to the USA in any way, shape or form. Saudi Arabia on the other
hand..........

And you notice that the US pulled out troops and put pressure on the
Saudi government to crack down on the radical elements within their
country, which they have begun to do. One of the biggest reasons the
US was able to exert this pressure was because we did invade Iraq. It
put the entire Muslim world on notice that we are not screwing around.
That is why governments stretching from Libya to Pakistan are
confronting the terrorists within their own countries. By the way,
replacing the current Saudi regime would not help American interests
because the House of Saud is about as good an ally as we are ever
going to get from that country. If we went in and invaded, which is
what you seem to be suggesting, who would you replace the current
rulers with?

They wouldn't attack the Saudi's cus they got all the "Texas Tea,"
"Black Gold," etc. and Dubya likes that *****.

I imagine you like that ***** too if you drive a car, heat your house
in the winter or use any electrical appliances. So don't be such a
dipshit.
Saudi # 1 in OIL. Iraq

is # 2.
I guess that pretty much sums up the reasons for not going after the
REAL TERRORISTS and going to war in Iraq instead!!

Disrupting the oil flow from Saudi Arabia would be disasterous for the
entire industrial world and could spark an economic collapse that
would make the Great Depression look like a joke. You should be
thankful Bush pays that some heed you fucking retard.
Dubya already has

his military base in Saudi.

We pulled out. Don't you keep up with the news?
Now he needs one in Iraq!! ***** what's

more important?
A bunch of sand-niggers' lives or Dubya's precious oil profits not to
mention his and his cronies' Halliburton profits, etc.

What the ***** are you talking about? They already dug up mass graves
that prove that Saddam killed orders of magnitude more people than the
US invasion did. We saved lives from being killed by Saddam in the
future. ***** you asswipe.


It's pretty obvious what kind of MORALS old GW has.
FUCKING TURD THAT WON"T ***** FLUSH!!

.
User: "MysticRythyms"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 04 Mar 2004 05:41:40 PM
(Joe Shmoe) wrote in message news:<37421e9d.0403040930.7c1abc3e@posting.google.com>...

MysticRythyms@aol.com (MysticRythyms) wrote in message news:<8ef54e4e.0403032200.10621d47@posting.google.com>...

Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<pl8c40h1u6g8jr35qmhcmm1ros9djddkkj@4ax.com>...

``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.



***** man. You want a proven link to Al Qaida???
Go take a look at the USA's friend and ALLY in the Middle East,
Saudi Arabia. There's your mother fucking link to Al Qaida.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything and were NOT a threat
to the USA in any way, shape or form. Saudi Arabia on the other
hand..........


And you notice that the US pulled out troops and put pressure on the
Saudi government to crack down on the radical elements within their
country, which they have begun to do. One of the biggest reasons the
US was able to exert this pressure was because we did invade Iraq. It
put the entire Muslim world on notice that we are not screwing around.
That is why governments stretching from Libya to Pakistan are
confronting the terrorists within their own countries. By the way,
replacing the current Saudi regime would not help American interests
because the House of Saud is about as good an ally as we are ever
going to get from that country. If we went in and invaded, which is
what you seem to be suggesting, who would you replace the current
rulers with?

The USA still has troops in Saudi Arabia and they are still USA
Allies.
I don't suggest invading anybody's fucking country. the USA is far
too good at that already. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of
going after Iraq when the real terrorists are in Saudi Arabia,
DIPFUCK.

They wouldn't attack the Saudi's cus they got all the "Texas Tea,"
"Black Gold," etc. and Dubya likes that *****.


I imagine you like that ***** too if you drive a car, heat your house
in the winter or use any electrical appliances. So don't be such a
dipshit.

There's plenty of other alternatives to oil that the human race needs
to start getting used to. OIl ain't gonna fuckin' last forever. And
if you're so fucking worried about oil have you forgotten that there
is more than enough
oil to get America by for AGES up in Alaska? But of course they just
leave it sitting there like MORONS.


Saudi # 1 in OIL. Iraq

is # 2.
I guess that pretty much sums up the reasons for not going after the
REAL TERRORISTS and going to war in Iraq instead!!


Disrupting the oil flow from Saudi Arabia would be disasterous for the
entire industrial world and could spark an economic collapse that
would make the Great Depression look like a joke. You should be
thankful Bush pays that some heed you fucking retard.

*****. See above at my last comment.
I also say ***** oil. Me have plenty of other alternatives for it now.
No need to go slaughtering hundreds of thousands and creating havoc
and destruction on our fucking planet fighting over the *****.
Besides, it's not about oil it's about MONEY. PROFITS. ***** you and
your commments about oil.
It's about making a quick fucking $$$$$ at the EXPENSE of other
people's fucking LIVES you cold hearted sack of *****.

Dubya already has

his military base in Saudi.


We pulled out. Don't you keep up with the news?

Base is still there DIPFUCK. See above comments.

Now he needs one in Iraq!! ***** what's

more important?
A bunch of sand-niggers' lives or Dubya's precious oil profits not to
mention his and his cronies' Halliburton profits, etc.


What the ***** are you talking about? They already dug up mass graves
that prove that Saddam killed orders of magnitude more people than the
US invasion did. We saved lives from being killed by Saddam in the
future. ***** you asswipe.

Those must have been the graves form the USA's FLATTENING of the
ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY in 1991. Do you remember that or were you
still in diapers?
I don't defend Saddam by the way. I lke how you right wing FUCKS
always say that "if you aren't with us you're against us." Well *****
you. Saddam was an *****, just like George Bush. But USA had no
fucking business invading the fucking country in 1991 or in 2003.
BLOW IT OUT YOUR ***** RIGHT WING DIPSHIT.
It's people like you that make this world what is it.
A FUCKED UP PLACE TO LIVE.


It's pretty obvious what kind of MORALS old GW has.
FUCKING TURD THAT WON"T ***** FLUSH!!

.
User: "Joe Shmoe"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 05 Mar 2004 08:23:20 AM
(MysticRythyms) wrote in message news:<8ef54e4e.0403041541.342f89ac@posting.google.com>...

spacebrain71@yahoo.com (Joe Shmoe) wrote in message news:<37421e9d.0403040930.7c1abc3e@posting.google.com>...

(MysticRythyms) wrote in message news:<8ef54e4e.0403032200.10621d47@posting.google.com>...

Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<pl8c40h1u6g8jr35qmhcmm1ros9djddkkj@4ax.com>...

``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.



***** man. You want a proven link to Al Qaida???
Go take a look at the USA's friend and ALLY in the Middle East,
Saudi Arabia. There's your mother fucking link to Al Qaida.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything and were NOT a threat
to the USA in any way, shape or form. Saudi Arabia on the other
hand..........


And you notice that the US pulled out troops and put pressure on the
Saudi government to crack down on the radical elements within their
country, which they have begun to do. One of the biggest reasons the
US was able to exert this pressure was because we did invade Iraq. It
put the entire Muslim world on notice that we are not screwing around.
That is why governments stretching from Libya to Pakistan are
confronting the terrorists within their own countries. By the way,
replacing the current Saudi regime would not help American interests
because the House of Saud is about as good an ally as we are ever
going to get from that country. If we went in and invaded, which is
what you seem to be suggesting, who would you replace the current
rulers with?



The USA still has troops in Saudi Arabia and they are still USA
Allies.
I don't suggest invading anybody's fucking country. the USA is far
too good at that already. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of
going after Iraq when the real terrorists are in Saudi Arabia,
DIPFUCK.

The terrorists are all over the world not in any one country you
retard. Our invasion of Iraq has helped to apply pressure to the
governments of the Middle East, instigating them to root out the
terrorists in their own countries. Just yesterday, Yemen was in the
news for capturing some al Qaeda members. You may be too dimwitted to
understand that the US presence in Iraq has fostered a change in
attitude throughout the region.




They wouldn't attack the Saudi's cus they got all the "Texas Tea,"
"Black Gold," etc. and Dubya likes that *****.


I imagine you like that ***** too if you drive a car, heat your house
in the winter or use any electrical appliances. So don't be such a
dipshit.


There's plenty of other alternatives to oil that the human race needs
to start getting used to.

Such as?
OIl ain't gonna fuckin' last forever. And

if you're so fucking worried about oil have you forgotten that there
is more than enough
oil to get America by for AGES up in Alaska?

I thought the anti-drilling-in-Alaska people claim that it would only
fuel this country for six months?
But of course they just

leave it sitting there like MORONS.

I hope you realize that you and Bush are on the same side on this
issue. Its the tree-hugging liberals that think the caribou will drop
dead if they catch sight of an oil line or drill rig.



Saudi # 1 in OIL. Iraq

is # 2.
I guess that pretty much sums up the reasons for not going after the
REAL TERRORISTS and going to war in Iraq instead!!


Disrupting the oil flow from Saudi Arabia would be disasterous for the
entire industrial world and could spark an economic collapse that
would make the Great Depression look like a joke. You should be
thankful Bush pays that some heed you fucking retard.


*****. See above at my last comment.

Your above comment didn't say *****. The fact is that if the supply of
oil from Saudi Arabia were to be subbenly cut off, there is no
alternative energy source available to pick up the slack. The cost of
energy in general would go through the roof, sparking massive
inflation and likely knocking down the economy like a stack of cards.

I also say ***** oil. Me have plenty of other alternatives for it now.

Get your head out of your *****. Alternative energy sources are being
developed, but fossil fuels provide a very concentrated source of
energy whereas solar, wind and other renewable sources are very
diffuse, which limits their potential application. Currently there is
no alternative source that can significantly replace the role of
fossil fuels, particularly oil, in our economy. Maybe one day there
will be, but not today and not in the forseeable future.

No need to go slaughtering hundreds of thousands

who is killing hundreds of thousands? Other than Saddam before we got
rid of him?
and creating havoc

and destruction on our fucking planet fighting over the *****.
Besides, it's not about oil it's about MONEY. PROFITS. ***** you and
your commments about oil.

Its always the big bad capitalists that get the blame with you.
Profit equals evil in your puny mind. Meanwhile capitalism has
allowed you a standard of living that would have been unimaginable 100
years ago. If you want a society without profits, why don't you take
your scrawny COMMIE ***** over to North Korea where the benevolent state
takes care of your every need?

It's about making a quick fucking $$$$$ at the EXPENSE of other
people's fucking LIVES you cold hearted sack of *****.

No its about providing goods and services that are useful to other
people. The oil companies go to great expense to develope the
technology to extract and refine fossil fuels. They are providing a
good that others are willing to buy. If their prices are too high,
consumers will buy elsewhere. Its called the market you clueless
twit. Your ***** about taking lives to make a quick buck has nothing to
do with reality and everything to do with your nuerotic drug-addled
mind.



Dubya already has

his military base in Saudi.


We pulled out. Don't you keep up with the news?


Base is still there DIPFUCK. See above comments.

The base may be there but our troops are gone and there are no plans
for their return.



Now he needs one in Iraq!! ***** what's

more important?
A bunch of sand-niggers' lives or Dubya's precious oil profits not to
mention his and his cronies' Halliburton profits, etc.


What the ***** are you talking about? They already dug up mass graves
that prove that Saddam killed orders of magnitude more people than the
US invasion did. We saved lives from being killed by Saddam in the
future. ***** you asswipe.


Those must have been the graves form the USA's FLATTENING of the
ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY in 1991. Do you remember that or were you
still in diapers?

Maybe you were FUCKTARD. In the first Iraq war the Iraq army was
kicked out of Kuwait. We didn't overun the country and that is why
Saddam remained in power. By the way, the economic sanctions were
responsible for far more deaths than any of the miltary operations.
Economic sanctions that would have remained in place had the US not
invaded.

I don't defend Saddam by the way.

But if we listened to you, he would still be happily in power.
I lke how you right wing FUCKS

always say that "if you aren't with us you're against us." Well *****
you. Saddam was an *****, just like George Bush. But USA had no
fucking business invading the fucking country in 1991 or in 2003.

So you may not like Saddam, but when it comes down to brass tacks you
support his right to remain in power. This man who killed hundreds of
thousands and certainly would have killed thousands more.


BLOW IT OUT YOUR ***** RIGHT WING DIPSHIT.
It's people like you that make this world what is it.
A FUCKED UP PLACE TO LIVE.

The world does have problems and one of them is too many
reality-challenged self-rightous idiots shooting their mouths off
about ***** they don't understand. So do us all a favor and shut your
fucking piehole you WORTHLESS, DELUDED, AMERICA-HATING, COMMUNIST,
*****-SMOKING FUCKWAD.
.
User: "MysticRythyms"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 05 Mar 2004 06:16:17 PM
(Joe Shmoe) wrote in message news:<37421e9d.0403050623.2307b5e4@posting.google.com>...

MysticRythyms@aol.com (MysticRythyms) wrote in message news:<8ef54e4e.0403041541.342f89ac@posting.google.com>...

(Joe Shmoe) wrote in message news:<37421e9d.0403040930.7c1abc3e@posting.google.com>...

MysticRythyms@aol.com (MysticRythyms) wrote in message news:<8ef54e4e.0403032200.10621d47@posting.google.com>...

Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<pl8c40h1u6g8jr35qmhcmm1ros9djddkkj@4ax.com>...

``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.



***** man. You want a proven link to Al Qaida???
Go take a look at the USA's friend and ALLY in the Middle East,
Saudi Arabia. There's your mother fucking link to Al Qaida.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything and were NOT a threat
to the USA in any way, shape or form. Saudi Arabia on the other
hand..........


And you notice that the US pulled out troops and put pressure on the
Saudi government to crack down on the radical elements within their
country, which they have begun to do. One of the biggest reasons the
US was able to exert this pressure was because we did invade Iraq. It
put the entire Muslim world on notice that we are not screwing around.
That is why governments stretching from Libya to Pakistan are
confronting the terrorists within their own countries. By the way,
replacing the current Saudi regime would not help American interests
because the House of Saud is about as good an ally as we are ever
going to get from that country. If we went in and invaded, which is
what you seem to be suggesting, who would you replace the current
rulers with?



The USA still has troops in Saudi Arabia and they are still USA
Allies.
I don't suggest invading anybody's fucking country. the USA is far
too good at that already. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of
going after Iraq when the real terrorists are in Saudi Arabia,
DIPFUCK.


The terrorists are all over the world not in any one country you
retard. Our invasion of Iraq has helped to apply pressure to the
governments of the Middle East, instigating them to root out the
terrorists in their own countries. Just yesterday, Yemen was in the
news for capturing some al Qaeda members. You may be too dimwitted to
understand that the US presence in Iraq has fostered a change in
attitude throughout the region.


Yep they are all over thw world (but 15 of 19 pilots from 9/11 came
from Saudi....DIPFUCK) and now there are MORE people in the world that
hate the USA's FUCKING GUTS due to the ARROGANT use of military power
and BULLYING of nations full of poor people. The only thing that's
been fostered is MORE TERRORISTS and more people that are *****
at USA.



They wouldn't attack the Saudi's cus they got all the "Texas Tea,"
"Black Gold," etc. and Dubya likes that *****.


I imagine you like that ***** too if you drive a car, heat your house
in the winter or use any electrical appliances. So don't be such a
dipshit.


There's plenty of other alternatives to oil that the human race needs
to start getting used to.


Such as?

Non-polluting hemp seed oil could run every car in America with no
special
adaptations made to the car's engines. Then there is solar, and of
course,
nuclear power, (which isn't recommended) as well as damn's and other
natural forms of energy.


OIl ain't gonna fuckin' last forever. And

if you're so fucking worried about oil have you forgotten that there
is more than enough
oil to get America by for AGES up in Alaska?


I thought the anti-drilling-in-Alaska people claim that it would only
fuel this country for six months?

But of course they just

leave it sitting there like MORONS.


I hope you realize that you and Bush are on the same side on this
issue. Its the tree-hugging liberals that think the caribou will drop
dead if they catch sight of an oil line or drill rig.

I would rather see other forms of energy used than sucking mother
earth dry of the blood that pumps thru it, but if we have to use
fucking oil, let's use our own and stop BULLYING the rest of the world
and killing innocent for it.



Saudi # 1 in OIL. Iraq

is # 2.
I guess that pretty much sums up the reasons for not going after the
REAL TERRORISTS and going to war in Iraq instead!!


Disrupting the oil flow from Saudi Arabia would be disasterous for the
entire industrial world and could spark an economic collapse that
would make the Great Depression look like a joke. You should be
thankful Bush pays that some heed you fucking retard.


*****. See above at my last comment.


Your above comment didn't say *****. The fact is that if the supply of
oil from Saudi Arabia were to be subbenly cut off, there is no
alternative energy source available to pick up the slack. The cost of
energy in general would go through the roof, sparking massive
inflation and likely knocking down the economy like a stack of cards.

you're full of *****. See above comment, DIPSHIT.

I also say ***** oil. Me have plenty of other alternatives for it now.


Get your head out of your *****. Alternative energy sources are being
developed, but fossil fuels provide a very concentrated source of
energy whereas solar, wind and other renewable sources are very
diffuse, which limits their potential application. Currently there is
no alternative source that can significantly replace the role of
fossil fuels, particularly oil, in our economy. Maybe one day there
will be, but not today and not in the forseeable future.

No need to go slaughtering hundreds of thousands


who is killing hundreds of thousands? Other than Saddam before we got
rid of him?

USA killed far more people than Saddam has ever attempted to.
the USA has the world's most IMPRESSIVE record of blowing people up
and
invading other people's fucking land. USA is also the ONLY country
in the history of the ***** WORLD to ever NUKE someone else's
country.
Yep the "good old USA" is the world's REIGNING TERRORISTS.
Nobody even comes CLOSE. Take an honest look at their record.
Tons of bombs dropped, number of people killed, etc. They are the
reigning FUCKING CHAMPIONS.


and creating havoc

and destruction on our fucking planet fighting over the *****.
Besides, it's not about oil it's about MONEY. PROFITS. ***** you and
your commments about oil.


Its always the big bad capitalists that get the blame with you.
Profit equals evil in your puny mind. Meanwhile capitalism has
allowed you a standard of living that would have been unimaginable 100
years ago. If you want a society without profits, why don't you take
your scrawny COMMIE ***** over to North Korea where the benevolent state
takes care of your every need?

It's about making a quick fucking $$$$$ at the EXPENSE of other
people's fucking LIVES you cold hearted sack of *****.


No its about providing goods and services that are useful to other
people. The oil companies go to great expense to develope the
technology to extract and refine fossil fuels. They are providing a
good that others are willing to buy. If their prices are too high,
consumers will buy elsewhere. Its called the market you clueless
twit. Your ***** about taking lives to make a quick buck has nothing to
do with reality and everything to do with your nuerotic drug-addled
mind.


Now that is where you are totally fucked and tottaly IGNORANT and
totally WRONG. But what else ISN'T new?? you've been WRONG on
everything you've said so far. Everyone knows that the oil companies
have created a fucking MONOPOLY
on the market. My 5 yr old brother could tel you that much, DIPSHIT
MORON MOTHER FUCKER.


Dubya already has

his military base in Saudi.


We pulled out. Don't you keep up with the news?


Base is still there DIPFUCK. See above comments.


The base may be there but our troops are gone and there are no plans
for their return.


We'll see about that *****. So do you believe everything the gov't
says?
You are too DENSE to know when smoke is being blown up your *****,
OBVIOUSLY.
If you want some advice, this is the best advcie I could give you.
"NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING THE GOV'T SAYS." Learn it, live it, and quit
being a fucking MORON.


Now he needs one in Iraq!! ***** what's

more important?
A bunch of sand-niggers' lives or Dubya's precious oil profits not to
mention his and his cronies' Halliburton profits, etc.


What the ***** are you talking about? They already dug up mass graves
that prove that Saddam killed orders of magnitude more people than the
US invasion did. We saved lives from being killed by Saddam in the
future. ***** you asswipe.


Those must have been the graves form the USA's FLATTENING of the
ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY in 1991. Do you remember that or were you
still in diapers?


Maybe you were FUCKTARD. In the first Iraq war the Iraq army was
kicked out of Kuwait. We didn't overun the country and that is why
Saddam remained in power. By the way, the economic sanctions were
responsible for far more deaths than any of the miltary operations.
Economic sanctions that would have remained in place had the US not
invaded.

Obviously you were in diapers during this war. The first night of the
war Iraq was bombed in Baghdad. Not Kuwait. And after that, they
proceeded to bomb the ENTIRE COUNTRY "back to the stone age."
LITERALLY. DUMB ***** FUCKING RETARD.

I don't defend Saddam by the way.


But if we listened to you, he would still be happily in power.

And whose business is that? The Suadi gov't is still in power. Are
we gonna knock them off too? What about the countless other
dictator's in the world that the USA is friends with? Allies with?
We gonna knock them out too?
What about the REAL THREATS to America? Saudi Arabia. North Korea.
Why go after a fucknut that was no threat to AMERICA whatsoever?
Your LOGIC (or lack of) totally amazes me. It's amazing how *****
DENSE you are. Apparently you believe all the propaganda and hype
that you saee on televeision and read in the newspapaers. In other
words, you're a typrical American DIPSHIT.

I lke how you right wing FUCKS

always say that "if you aren't with us you're against us." Well *****
you. Saddam was an *****, just like George Bush. But USA had no
fucking business invading the fucking country in 1991 or in 2003.


So you may not like Saddam, but when it comes down to brass tacks you
support his right to remain in power. This man who killed hundreds of
thousands and certainly would have killed thousands more.


BLOW IT OUT YOUR ***** RIGHT WING DIPSHIT.
It's people like you that make this world what is it.
A FUCKED UP PLACE TO LIVE.


The world does have problems and one of them is too many
reality-challenged self-rightous idiots shooting their mouths off
about ***** they don't understand. So do us all a favor and shut your
fucking piehole you WORTHLESS, DELUDED, AMERICA-HATING, COMMUNIST,
*****-SMOKING FUCKWAD.

LMAO!!! I love the world ands the people in it. The only flag that I
"salute" is the flag of the planet earth. I speak out against AMerica
because America is the BIGGEST THREAT to humanity and the world as a
whole.
Don't like it? I got a big ten incher for you to suck on.
.
User: "Joe Shmoe"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 06 Mar 2004 12:01:58 PM
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``We could find no provable connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida,''
a senior U.S. official said.



***** man. You want a proven link to Al Qaida???
Go take a look at the USA's friend and ALLY in the Middle East,
Saudi Arabia. There's your mother fucking link to Al Qaida.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything and were NOT a threat
to the USA in any way, shape or form. Saudi Arabia on the other
hand..........


And you notice that the US pulled out troops and put pressure on the
Saudi government to crack down on the radical elements within their
country, which they have begun to do. One of the biggest reasons the
US was able to exert this pressure was because we did invade Iraq. It
put the entire Muslim world on notice that we are not screwing around.
That is why governments stretching from Libya to Pakistan are
confronting the terrorists within their own countries. By the way,
replacing the current Saudi regime would not help American interests
because the House of Saud is about as good an ally as we are ever
going to get from that country. If we went in and invaded, which is
what you seem to be suggesting, who would you replace the current
rulers with?



The USA still has troops in Saudi Arabia and they are still USA
Allies.
I don't suggest invading anybody's fucking country. the USA is far
too good at that already. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of
going after Iraq when the real terrorists are in Saudi Arabia,
DIPFUCK.


The terrorists are all over the world not in any one country you
retard. Our invasion of Iraq has helped to apply pressure to the
governments of the Middle East, instigating them to root out the
terrorists in their own countries. Just yesterday, Yemen was in the
news for capturing some al Qaeda members. You may be too dimwitted to
understand that the US presence in Iraq has fostered a change in
attitude throughout the region.



Yep they are all over thw world (but 15 of 19 pilots from 9/11 came
from Saudi....DIPFUCK) and now there are MORE people in the world that
hate the USA's FUCKING GUTS due to the ARROGANT use of military power
and BULLYING of nations full of poor people. The only thing that's
been fostered is MORE TERRORISTS and more people that are *****
at USA.

Wrong again FUCKTARD. The Muslim "street" hated us then and surely
hate us now. Nothing has changed. Now, however, respect that was
lost when US troops pulled out of Somalia after suffering some
casualties has now been reinstated because they know we are willing to
fight. The real story is that governments such as Yemen, Pakistan and
Saudi Arabia are now confronting and erradicating the terrorists that
take refuge in their countries, which they were not doing before. Why
the change in heart? Because they saw from Iraq and Afganistan's
example that we are not afraid to remove governments that we feel are
not joining us in the war on terror. Saddam may not have been part of
9/11 but he certainly was a supporter of terrorism and that was enough
to put him on the short list for removal. Whining shits like you will
complain that America was being a bully, but we all knew the gloves
were going to come off after 9/11.


They wouldn't attack the Saudi's cus they got all the "Texas Tea,"
"Black Gold," etc. and Dubya likes that *****.


I imagine you like that ***** too if you drive a car, heat your house
in the winter or use any electrical appliances. So don't be such a
dipshit.


There's plenty of other alternatives to oil that the human race needs
to start getting used to.


Such as?


Non-polluting hemp seed oil could run every car in America with no
special
adaptations made to the car's engines. Then there is solar, and of
course,
nuclear power, (which isn't recommended) as well as damn's and other
natural forms of energy.

Hemp seed oil? Are you a pothead son? Sure you could concentrate and
refine hempseed oil to be the energy equivalent of gasoline,
unfortunately you will expend more energy in the refining process than
you will actually get from the fucking plant. Let me try to explain
this to you. A hemp plant lives for a FEW YEARS and converts some of
the solar energy that hits it into energy stored in the chemical bonds
of it seeds. There is a real limit to the amount of energy that can
be stored in this manner. The maximum amount of energy in hemp plants
seeds can only be a small fraction of the total solar energy it had
access to in its LIFETIME. Fossil fuels such as oil and coal come
from tons of organic material that has accumulated over MILLIONS OF
YEARS and has been compressed and concentrated into a very energy rich
form. Hemp oil is nowhere near as concentrated a source of BTUs as
petroleum. You are not going to replace oil with fucking hemp seeds,
pothead.



OIl ain't gonna fuckin' last forever. And

if you're so fucking worried about oil have you forgotten that there
is more than enough
oil to get America by for AGES up in Alaska?


I thought the anti-drilling-in-Alaska people claim that it would only
fuel this country for six months?

But of course they just

leave it sitting there like MORONS.


I hope you realize that you and Bush are on the same side on this
issue. Its the tree-hugging liberals that think the caribou will drop
dead if they catch sight of an oil line or drill rig.


I would rather see other forms of energy used than sucking mother
earth dry of the blood that pumps thru it, but if we have to use
fucking oil, let's use our own and stop BULLYING the rest of the world
and killing innocent for it.

We pay for the oil we use ***** FOR BRAINS, and the countries that have
it are happy to sell it to us. Killing innocents doesn't enter the
equation. If you want to talk about innocents dying lets talk about
the people that went to work one morning in the World Trade Center.




Saudi # 1 in OIL. Iraq

is # 2.
I guess that pretty much sums up the reasons for not going after the
REAL TERRORISTS and going to war in Iraq instead!!


Disrupting the oil flow from Saudi Arabia would be disasterous for the
entire industrial world and could spark an economic collapse that
would make the Great Depression look like a joke. You should be
thankful Bush pays that some heed you fucking retard.


*****. See above at my last comment.


Your above comment didn't say *****. The fact is that if the supply of
oil from Saudi Arabia were to be subbenly cut off, there is no
alternative energy source available to pick up the slack. The cost of
energy in general would go through the roof, sparking massive
inflation and likely knocking down the economy like a stack of cards.


you're full of *****. See above comment, DIPSHIT.

Your above comment only shows that you know JACKSHIT about energy.



I also say ***** oil. Me have plenty of other alternatives for it now.


Get your head out of your *****. Alternative energy sources are being
developed, but fossil fuels provide a very concentrated source of
energy whereas solar, wind and other renewable sources are very
diffuse, which limits their potential application. Currently there is
no alternative source that can significantly replace the role of
fossil fuels, particularly oil, in our economy. Maybe one day there
will be, but not today and not in the forseeable future.

No need to go slaughtering hundreds of thousands


who is killing hundreds of thousands? Other than Saddam before we got
rid of him?


USA killed far more people than Saddam has ever attempted to.
the USA has the world's most IMPRESSIVE record of blowing people up
and
invading other people's fucking land. USA is also the ONLY country
in the history of the ***** WORLD to ever NUKE someone else's
country.

That was WW2 fuckface. I suppose we should have had an amphibious
assault of the Japaneese home islands that would have resulted in ten
times the bloodshed as the two nuclear bombs. What a JACKASS.


Yep the "good old USA" is the world's REIGNING TERRORISTS.

You are seriously fucked. You obviously don't understand the words
you use. I shouldn't waste my time arguing with a FUCKING IDIOT.

Nobody even comes CLOSE. Take an honest look at their record.
Tons of bombs dropped, number of people killed, etc. They are the
reigning FUCKING CHAMPIONS.

Dropping a bomb on a military target does not equal terrorism FOOL.


and creating havoc

and destruction on our fucking planet fighting over the *****.
Besides, it's not about oil it's about MONEY. PROFITS. ***** you and
your commments about oil.


Its always the big bad capitalists that get the blame with you.
Profit equals evil in your puny mind. Meanwhile capitalism has
allowed you a standard of living that would have been unimaginable 100
years ago. If you want a society without profits, why don't you take
your scrawny COMMIE ***** over to North Korea where the benevolent state
takes care of your every need?

It's about making a quick fucking $$$$$ at the EXPENSE of other
people's fucking LIVES you cold hearted sack of *****.


No its about providing goods and services that are useful to other
people. The oil companies go to great expense to develope the
technology to extract and refine fossil fuels. They are providing a
good that others are willing to buy. If their prices are too high,
consumers will buy elsewhere. Its called the market you clueless
twit. Your ***** about taking lives to make a quick buck has nothing to
do with reality and everything to do with your nuerotic drug-addled
mind.



Now that is where you are totally fucked and tottaly IGNORANT and
totally WRONG. But what else ISN'T new?? you've been WRONG on
everything you've said so far. Everyone knows that the oil companies
have created a fucking MONOPOLY
on the market. My 5 yr old brother could tel you that much, DIPSHIT
MORON MOTHER FUCKER.

Do you have any idea of the technical complexities involved with
removing crude oil from the ground or from undersea locations and then
refining it into useful products? I suppose not because you you are
clearly an uneducated dipshit. Let me just say it is not a mom and
pop operation because it can't be. Only the very largest
corporations, employing thousands of people can make it happen. For
that reason there are relatively few oil companies and they are large
but that is because THEY HAVE TO BE. They compete against each other
and they do not control the market price so THEY ARE NOT A MONOPOLY.
Let me explain how some of this ***** works. Say Exxon wants to
develope an undersea oil field that the geologist tell them contains
so many million barrels. They may calculate that the cost to build
the rigs and platforms and pipeline will cost them so many hundreds of
million of dollars. They may calculate they can produce oil at $25 a
barrel. When they develope that field they are taking a huge risk
that oil prices will stay above $25 a barrel, otherwise they lose big
time. You should be a little more thankful next time you fill up your
fucking Ford Fiesta.



Dubya already has

his military base in Saudi.


We pulled out. Don't you keep up with the news?


Base is still there DIPFUCK. See above comments.


The base may be there but our troops are gone and there are no plans
for their return.



We'll see about that *****. So do you believe everything the gov't
says?
You are too DENSE to know when smoke is being blown up your *****,
OBVIOUSLY.
If you want some advice, this is the best advcie I could give you.
"NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING THE GOV'T SAYS." Learn it, live it, and quit
being a fucking MORON.

Aren't you the DIPSHIT that wants to greatly expand the US governments
power so that it can provide universal healthcare? Now you say you
don't trust a word they say. Why would you want to expand the power
of an organization that you said you can never trust? Sounds like
you're a DUMBASS.


Now he needs one in Iraq!! ***** what's

more important?
A bunch of sand-niggers' lives or Dubya's precious oil profits not to
mention his and his cronies' Halliburton profits, etc.


What the ***** are you talking about? They already dug up mass graves
that prove that Saddam killed orders of magnitude more people than the
US invasion did. We saved lives from being killed by Saddam in the
future. ***** you asswipe.


Those must have been the graves form the USA's FLATTENING of the
ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY in 1991. Do you remember that or were you
still in diapers?


Maybe you were FUCKTARD. In the first Iraq war the Iraq army was
kicked out of Kuwait. We didn't overun the country and that is why
Saddam remained in power. By the way, the economic sanctions were
responsible for far more deaths than any of the miltary operations.
Economic sanctions that would have remained in place had the US not
invaded.


Obviously you were in diapers during this war. The first night of the
war Iraq was bombed in Baghdad. Not Kuwait. And after that, they
proceeded to bomb the ENTIRE COUNTRY "back to the stone age."
LITERALLY. DUMB ***** FUCKING RETARD.

Funny, when I see news footage from Baghdad there seems to be plenty
of buildings standing. Sounds like you are FULL OF *****.


I don't defend Saddam by the way.


But if we listened to you, he would still be happily in power.


And whose business is that? The Suadi gov't is still in power.

No because unlike Saddam they want to be our allies.
Are

we gonna knock them off too? What about the countless other
dictator's in the world that the USA is friends with? Allies with?
We gonna knock them out too?
What about the REAL THREATS to America? Saudi Arabia. North Korea.
Why go after a fucknut that was no threat to AMERICA whatsoever?

Your LOGIC (or lack of) totally amazes me. It's amazing how *****
DENSE you are. Apparently you believe all the propaganda and hype
that you saee on televeision and read in the newspapaers. In other
words, you're a typrical American DIPSHIT.

You have got to be the STUPIDEST ***** on usenet. The typical
American could run rings around you.



I lke how you right wing FUCKS

always say that "if you aren't with us you're against us." Well *****
you. Saddam was an *****, just like George Bush. But USA had no
fucking business invading the fucking country in 1991 or in 2003.


So you may not like Saddam, but when it comes down to brass tacks you
support his right to remain in power. This man who killed hundreds of
thousands and certainly would have killed thousands more.


BLOW IT OUT YOUR ***** RIGHT WING DIPSHIT.
It's people like you that make this world what is it.
A FUCKED UP PLACE TO LIVE.


The world does have problems and one of them is too many
reality-challenged self-rightous idiots shooting their mouths off
about ***** they don't understand. So do us all a favor and shut your
fucking piehole you WORTHLESS, DELUDED, AMERICA-HATING, COMMUNIST,
*****-SMOKING FUCKWAD.


LMAO!!! I love the world ands the people in it. The only flag that I
"salute" is the flag of the planet earth. I speak out against AMerica
because America is the BIGGEST THREAT to humanity and the world as a
whole.

The flag of planet earth? Go smoke another bowl. Meanwhile, why
don't fly your people-lovin' ***** over to Mecca and see how much they
love you there. Oh you mean you're not muslim? Well I'm sure you'll
make friends fast. You might even learn not to take the freedom this
country gives you for granted.

Don't like it? I got a big ten incher for you to suck on.

That's OK, I don't want to make your mom jealous.
.
User: "MysticRythyms"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 06 Mar 2004 06:09:40 PM
(Joe Shmoe) wrote in message news:
<Snippage of typical American right wing ***** rhetoric>
Obviously you're too far gone and too brainwashed by this fucked up
society to say anything to. You've got your head on backwards and are
determined to say that way. You're a typical American RETARD that
can't and won't admit to any mistakes or wrongdoings by America for
ANY REASON. I know your type. You and Archie Bunker would make great
PALS. Go chew on your chewing tabaccy and shoot some niggers ya
redneck loser. I'm done wasting my energy typing to a FASCIST PIG
with a HARD HEAD like yourself. There's no point in getting pissed at
you. You're a waste of time and energy. You'll eat your words when
all the scandals break loose and Bush gets impeached or sent to a cell
with Bubba. Or better yet, get's the CHAIR.
.

User: "Sgt Schultz"

Title: Re: No WMD. No Iraq/Al-Qaida link. Why the hell are we there? 07 Mar 2004 03:55:39 AM
Joe Shmoe wrote:

Wrong again FUCKTARD. The Muslim "street" hated us then and surely
hate us now. Nothing has changed. Now, however, respect that was
lost when US troops pulled out of Somalia after suffering some
casualties has now been reinstated because they know we are willing to
fight.

That loss of respect for US troops didn't start in Somalia. It began
when the Marine barracks was bombed in Lebanon back in 1983 and Reagan
pulled us out of there instead of going after those who attacked us.
--
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the
subject.
- Winston Churchill
.








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