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24 Aug 2005 10:07:33 AM |
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No wonder there is no exit strategy. |
AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad has
formed a circle.
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| User: "Stan de SD" |
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| Title: Re: No wonder there is no exit strategy. |
24 Aug 2005 10:28:31 AM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America, and most of all anti-Bush,
and would not hesitate to accept surrender to murdering lunatics as long as
it meant a personal defeat to Bush.
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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| Title: Re: No wonder there is no exit strategy. |
24 Aug 2005 11:00:49 AM |
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
and most of all anti-Bush,
and would not hesitate to accept surrender to murdering lunatics as long
as
it meant a personal defeat to Bush.
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| User: "Stan de SD" |
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| Title: Re: No wonder there is no exit strategy. |
24 Aug 2005 11:06:49 AM |
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad
has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the
new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Thank you for confirming what I said. :O)
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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| Title: Re: No wonder there is no exit strategy. |
24 Aug 2005 11:37:22 AM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify
the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad
has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the
new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Thank you for confirming what I said. :O)
How did I confirm I'm anti-American or irrational?
I can call people names too. Righties are pedophiles:
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
46 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
prison.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.
* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
attempted sexual assault on a child.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with
a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged
with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas
Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
in prison.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several
grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he
paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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24 Aug 2005 11:38:19 AM |
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AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify
the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad
has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the
new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Thank you for confirming what I said. :O)
Righties are "Flip Flopping Liars":
1. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep
the
promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social
Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
....BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the
president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other
programs
every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in
Social
Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign
rhetoric in
favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail
as
Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John
Smithee
in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over
coverage
denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
....CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the
first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage...
It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the
people.
And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national
patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered.
I
don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor
Bush, 10/17/00]
....PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two
Texas
consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies
for
wrongful denials of medical benefits 'would be to completely undermine'
federal
law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A.
Feldman
said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief
attacked
the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the
books
in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the
quota
system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to
be
changed." [President Bush, 5/04]
....BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The
administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo,
6/18/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We
developed a
bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing
concerns,
the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have
significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North
Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to
pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
....BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will
work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there
would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary
proposals
that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its
nuclear
programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that
nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up
to
a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting
the
Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
....BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush,
10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president
ought
to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC
cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the
United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President
Bush,
1/26/00]
....BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United
States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president
refused
to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami
Herald,
4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We
do
not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget
Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
....BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that
Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming
fiscal
year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by
President, 5/5/04]
8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again,
this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of
principle.
There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White
House
staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of
principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott
McClellan, 3/9/04]
....BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on
Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security
Advisor,
Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush,
3/30/04]
9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to
have
high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel
good
or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
....BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading
scientists-including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former
federal
agency directors and university chairs and presidents-issued a statement
calling
for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to
federal
policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has,
among
other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal
agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific
advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met
with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House
Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
....BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided
the
home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized
documents
and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet
office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the
federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that
creating a
Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer,
3/19/02]
....BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the
Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an
overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and
protecting
the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons
of
mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we
haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're
wrong,
we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
....BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has
found
the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we
haven't
found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went.
They
could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have
destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could
have
been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush,
Meet
the Press, 2/7/04]
13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade,
and
when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue."
[President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
....BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his
political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last
year
and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in
Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection."
[Washington Post, 9/19/03]
14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster
out
West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on
Osama
Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
....BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just
don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about
him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor
Bush
will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four
main
pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide."
[Bush
Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
....BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however,
that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions
reductions
for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act."
[President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The
White
House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an
immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging
election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled
by
congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times,
1/29/04]
....BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE
"Today, by
executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by
Governor
and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American
intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass
destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]
17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took
a
few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to
establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with
terror
warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
....BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush
said
today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate
the
Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House
Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time
to
an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."
[Washington Post, 1/19/04]
....BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House
announced
Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the
September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN,
2/4/04]
19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President
Bush
and Vice President ***** Cheney have placed strict limits on the private
interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept.
11
attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials
and
that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission
members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]
....BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all
of
the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House
spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]
20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want
to
do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me
into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
....BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call
upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for
ratification,
an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union
of
man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]
21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all
around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a
serious
problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
....BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq,
for
the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM...
"You
can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on
terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
....BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that
Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count
is,
we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what
their
opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations
Security
Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let
the
world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush
3/6/03]
....BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting
convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to
withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an
address to
the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may
remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing
happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area."
[President
Bush, 04/05/02]
....BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states
living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm
committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush,
5/23/03]
25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as
an
infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]
....BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current
system
of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into
law."
[President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]
26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: "I also have reservations about the
constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising [in McCain
Feingold],
which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public
import." [President Bush, 3/27/02]
..Bush says 527s bad for system: "I don't think we ought to have 527s. I
can't be
more plain about it.I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed
the
bill, McCain-Feingold." [President Bush, 8/23/04]
27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: "I believe that we must
protect.the right of every American to have confidence that his or her
personal
medical records will remain private." [President Bush, 4/12/01]
..Bush says patients' histories are not confidntial: The Justice
Department.asserts that patients "no longer possess a reasonable expectation
that their histories will remain completely confidential." [BusinessWeek,
4/30/04]
28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a
week
of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the
resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other
words,
a military attack." [LA Times, 10/3/02]
..Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to
dictators." [President Bush, 8/27/04]
29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: "Even though experts say 'diverting any
water
from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent' Bush 'said he wants to
talk to
Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about piping water to parched states
in
the west and southwest.'- [AP, 7/19/01]
Bush says he'll never divert Great Lakes: "We've got to use our resources
wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the
Great
Lakes Basin...My position is clear: We're never going to allow diversion of
Great Lakes water." [President Bush, 8/16/04]
30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things
people
ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on
terror?
Of course, you can." [President Bush, 4/13/04]
..Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win [the war
on
terror]." [President Bush, 8/30/04]
..Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are
winning and we will win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/31/04]
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24 Aug 2005 01:54:58 PM |
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Stan de SD wrote:
"Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad
has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the
new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Thank you for confirming what I said. :O)
More made-up, crazyass republicrap.
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24 Aug 2005 11:42:08 AM |
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As viewed from alt.california, Chance Hopkins wrote:
"Stan de SD" wrote...
The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Perfect. :)
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Jafo
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24 Aug 2005 11:55:11 AM |
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"Jafo" <a@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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As viewed from alt.california, Chance Hopkins wrote:
"Stan de SD" wrote...
The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Perfect. :)
4.) STUPID, CRAZY LIARS: This trick consists of simple slander.
Anyone who reports anything which displeases the skeptic will be
accused of incompetence, mental illness or dishonesty, or some
combination of the three without a single shred of fact to
support the accusations. When Charles Honorton's Ganzfeld
experiments produced impressive results in favor of the psi
hypothesis, skeptics accused him of suppressing or not publishing
the results of failed experiments. No definite facts supporting
the charge ever emerged. Moreover, the experiments were
extremely time consuming, and the number of failed, unpublished
experiments necessary to make the number of successful, published
experiments significant would have been quite high, so it is
extremely unlikely that Honorton's results could be due to
selective reporting. Yet skeptics still sometimes repeat this
accusation.
I repeat myself. ***** YOU.
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24 Aug 2005 11:59:38 AM |
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As viewed from alt.california, Chance Hopkins wrote:
"Jafo" wrote...
Chance Hopkins wrote:
"Stan de SD" wrote...
The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Perfect. :)
4.) STUPID, CRAZY LIARS: This trick consists of simple slander.
Anyone who reports anything which displeases the skeptic will be
accused of incompetence, mental illness or dishonesty, or some
combination of the three without a single shred of fact to
support the accusations. When Charles Honorton's Ganzfeld
experiments produced impressive results in favor of the psi
hypothesis, skeptics accused him of suppressing or not publishing
the results of failed experiments. No definite facts supporting
the charge ever emerged. Moreover, the experiments were
extremely time consuming, and the number of failed, unpublished
experiments necessary to make the number of successful, published
experiments significant would have been quite high, so it is
extremely unlikely that Honorton's results could be due to
selective reporting. Yet skeptics still sometimes repeat this
accusation.
I repeat myself. ***** YOU.
Perfect. :)
--
Jafo
"When he said we were trying to make a fool of him, I could only
murmur that the Creator had beat us to it."
- Ilka Chase (b. 1905), U.S. author, actor.
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24 Aug 2005 01:04:08 PM |
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"Jafo" <a@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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As viewed from alt.california, Chance Hopkins wrote:
I repeat myself. ***** YOU.
Perfect. :)
--
Jafo
Not to you, but him ;-)
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27 Aug 2005 08:51:43 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:00:49 GMT, "Chance Hopkins"
<chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> claims:
"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:zm0Pe.1375$z2.542@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:V20Pe.1390$5B4.577@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America,
***** YOU.
Wow. Now there's a comeback for you.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
What we are responding to:
http://www.pentagonattack911.com/wtc.htm
Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which
lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
History lessons: 9/11 told us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about muslims. The actions
of leftists since 9/11 tell us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about leftists.
spammers can send mail to
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| User: "grinder" |
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24 Aug 2005 10:48:19 AM |
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:zm0Pe.1375$z2.542@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:V20Pe.1390$5B4.577@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly
what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America, and most of all
anti-Bush,
and would not hesitate to accept surrender to murdering lunatics as long
as
it meant a personal defeat to Bush.
More and more people are seeing the folly of trying to civilize a country
which consists of 3 different tribes which have been warring against each
other for centuries. Add to that stew outside insurgents which are using
the country as a training ground for future terrorist activities and it is a
recipe for disaster.
It all comes down to the right prefering to take the easy way out and
believe the lies rather than critically look at the facts and accept
soldiers are dying for no reason.
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24 Aug 2005 01:20:52 PM |
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:zm0Pe.1375$z2.542@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder
and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists
*****. Iraqis are not children. They know how to use weapons. If
freedom is worth fighting for (and it is) then let THEM fight for it.
And "leftists" aren't the only ones calling to pull the troops out. GENUINE
conservatives like Pat Buchanan never favored sending them on this idiot
mission to begin with, and many more on the right are speaking up with that
same goal of removing troops from Iraq.
The Left is irrational, anti-America, and most of all anti-Bush
Anti-Bush is NOT anti-America. PRO Bush IS anti-America. George W. Bush
and his supporters are the 9/11 mass murderers best friends, and have helped
them succeed beyond their wildest dreams.
Why do you hate America you fucking traitor?
Right-wing Republicans are a plague on this great nation.
-Jeff
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| User: "Server 13" |
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24 Aug 2005 01:54:12 PM |
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Stan de SD wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:V20Pe.1390$5B4.577@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
AWOLER says troops must keep fighting and dying in order to justify the
sacrifice of those who fought and died before them.
Given that logic the war will never end. Looks like his firing squad has
formed a circle.
Those who have a clue know that the reason the Left is screaming louder and
louder to "withdraw the troops now" is because to withdraw before the new
Iraqi government has a chance to get on their feet and stabilize the
situation means to hand a victory to the terrorists - which is exactly what
they want. The Left is irrational, anti-America, and most of all anti-Bush,
and would not hesitate to accept surrender to murdering lunatics as long as
it meant a personal defeat to Bush.
more made-up crazyass republicrap.
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| User: "Ken [NY]" |
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24 Aug 2005 11:40:08 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:07:33 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
Subject: No wonder there is no exit strategy.
"Where's the exit strategy?" Well, where was the (Democrat)
exit strategy in Bosnia or Kosovo? We're still over there!
There is an administration's exit strategy presently on Iraq.
It goes like this: the constitution is adopted, the Iraqis take over.
We win, the terrorists lose. We leave except for a small military
force. It is similar to the Democrat exit strategy for Germany, Italy
and Japan 1944-1945, only a LOT quicker. (those exit stragegies took
five to six years!.).
The Democrat Iraq exit strategy... well, actually there is
no Democrat Iraq exit strategy, is there? Except for surrender.
Come to think of it, where's the Democrat's exit strategy for
the "War on Poverty?". You can't surrender to poverty.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
What we are responding to:
http://www.pentagonattack911.com/wtc.htm
Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which
lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
History lessons: 9/11 told us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about muslims. The actions
of leftists since 9/11 tell us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about leftists.
spammers can send mail to
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| User: "grinder" |
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24 Aug 2005 02:02:42 PM |
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"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:07:33 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
Subject: No wonder there is no exit strategy.
"Where's the exit strategy?" Well, where was the (Democrat)
exit strategy in Bosnia or Kosovo? We're still over there!
So? We are still in Korea. We are still in the Phillipines. We are still
in Germany and England.
Anyway want to compare casualty rates between Iraq and Bosnia? Didn't think
so. There has NOT been a single U.S. soldier killed in Bosnia or Kosovo.
There is an administration's exit strategy presently on Iraq.
It goes like this: the constitution is adopted, the Iraqis take over.
It goes like this: It's laughable to think a piece of paper will make the
Iraqis capable of taking over Iraq. U.S. Generals say we will be there at
LEAST 4 YEARS after the constituion is adopted baring any "problems."
BTW, Insurgencies historically have lasted anywhere from 9 - 45 YEARS.
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| User: "Ken [NY]" |
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27 Aug 2005 09:02:46 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:02:42 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
news:218pg11h67f4mis5893hvgu8jimdebu99l@4ax.com...
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:07:33 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
Subject: No wonder there is no exit strategy.
"Where's the exit strategy?" Well, where was the (Democrat)
exit strategy in Bosnia or Kosovo? We're still over there!
So? We are still in Korea. We are still in the Phillipines. We are still
in Germany and England.
Ah, you support my point with more examples of not having exit
strategies while complaining that there is none for Iraq. Thank you.
Anyway want to compare casualty rates between Iraq and Bosnia? Didn't think
so. There has NOT been a single U.S. soldier killed in Bosnia or Kosovo.
You want to compare peacefully entering Bosnia and Kosovo to
protect muslims with destroying Iraq's huge military machine? LOL
There is an administration's exit strategy presently on Iraq.
It goes like this: the constitution is adopted, the Iraqis take over.
It goes like this: It's laughable to think a piece of paper will make the
Iraqis capable of taking over Iraq. U.S. Generals say we will be there at
LEAST 4 YEARS after the constituion is adopted baring any "problems."
BTW, Insurgencies historically have lasted anywhere from 9 - 45 YEARS.
As Democrat presidents found out in Japan and Germany, it took
5-6 years to defeat insurgencies, create constitutions, and then our
troops out with parliamentary governments in place. Compare that with
less than two years in Iraq. The Iraqis will have a constitution even
quicker than the Europeans will, and that's amazing.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
What we are responding to:
http://www.pentagonattack911.com/wtc.htm
Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which
lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
History lessons: 9/11 told us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about muslims. The actions
of leftists since 9/11 tell us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about leftists.
spammers can send mail to
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| User: "andrew luke nichols" |
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27 Aug 2005 09:18:23 AM |
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"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
news:62s0h11822kk0j3vap3tvgh0ic2lmt5jcv@4ax.com...
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:02:42 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
news:218pg11h67f4mis5893hvgu8jimdebu99l@4ax.com...
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:07:33 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
Subject: No wonder there is no exit strategy.
"Where's the exit strategy?" Well, where was the (Democrat)
exit strategy in Bosnia or Kosovo? We're still over there!
So? We are still in Korea. We are still in the Phillipines. We are
still
in Germany and England.
Ah, you support my point with more examples of not having exit
strategies while complaining that there is none for Iraq. Thank you.
Anyway want to compare casualty rates between Iraq and Bosnia? Didn't
think
so. There has NOT been a single U.S. soldier killed in Bosnia or Kosovo.
You want to compare peacefully entering Bosnia and Kosovo to
protect muslims with destroying Iraq's huge military machine? LOL
There is an administration's exit strategy presently on Iraq.
It goes like this: the constitution is adopted, the Iraqis take over.
It goes like this: It's laughable to think a piece of paper will make
the
Iraqis capable of taking over Iraq. U.S. Generals say we will be there
at
LEAST 4 YEARS after the constituion is adopted baring any "problems."
BTW, Insurgencies historically have lasted anywhere from 9 - 45 YEARS.
As Democrat presidents found out in Japan and Germany, it took
5-6 years to defeat insurgencies, create constitutions, and then our
troops out with parliamentary governments in place. Compare that with
less than two years in Iraq. The Iraqis will have a constitution even
quicker than the Europeans will, and that's amazing.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
What we are responding to:
http://www.pentagonattack911.com/wtc.htm
Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which
lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
History lessons: 9/11 told us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about muslims. The actions
of leftists since 9/11 tell us conservatives and other
Americans all we need to know about leftists.
spammers can send mail to
Exit Strategy? We don't need no stinkin' Exit Strategy...!
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24 Aug 2005 01:58:06 PM |
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Ken [NY] wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:07:33 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
claims:
Subject: No wonder there is no exit strategy.
"Where's the exit strategy?" Well, where was the (Democrat)
exit strategy in Bosnia or Kosovo? We're still over there!
There is an administration's exit strategy presently on Iraq.
It goes like this: the constitution is adopted, the Iraqis take over.
We win, the terrorists lose. We leave except for a small military
force. It is similar to the Democrat exit strategy for Germany, Italy
and Japan 1944-1945, only a LOT quicker. (those exit stragegies took
five to six years!.).
The Democrat Iraq exit strategy... well, actually there is
no Democrat Iraq exit strategy, is there? Except for surrender.
Come to think of it, where's the Democrat's exit strategy for
the "War on Poverty?". You can't surrender to poverty.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
More made-up crazyass republicrap.
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