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14 Jan 2004 08:26:54 PM |
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Non-AWOL Clark calls for probe on Iraq war. |
Wesley Clark Calls for Probe on Iraq War
Tue Jan 13, 6:25 PM ET
Associated Press Writer
MANCHESTER, N.H. - Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark on Tuesday
criticized the timing of an investigation of former Treasury Secretary Paul
O'Neill and suggested President Bush was more concerned with "political
security" than national security.
Campaigning in New Hampshire two weeks before its primary election, Clark
called for a full congressional investigation into why the United States
went to war in Iraq.
"We don't know what the motivation was. We just don't know. We've spent $180
billion on it, we've lost 480 Americans, we've got 2,500 with life-changing
injuries," the retired general told reporters.
Clark contended that Bush was obsessed with Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, and
with establishing a national missile defense, in the months leading up to
the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks - and did not do enough to protect the
nation against such an attack.
In a book released Tuesday, O'Neill criticized Bush's leadership style and
suggested he planned to go after Saddam even before the attacks.
The Treasury Department announced on Monday that it was launching an
inspector general's investigation into how an agency document stamped
"secret" wound up being used in O'Neill's interview Sunday night on the CBS
program "60 Minutes."
O'Neill, who was fired a year ago in a shake-up of the Bush economic team,
has denied that classified documents were used in a book about his two years
in the administration.
Clark contrasted the speed of the O'Neill investigation with the slow pace
of an inquiry into who last summer divulged the name of a CIA official whose
husband had criticized the president's Iraq policy.
"They didn't wait 24 hours in initiating an investigation on Paul O'Neill,"
Clark said. "They're not concerned about national security. But they're
really concerned about political security. I think they've got their
priorities upside down."
Democratic candidate Howard Dean echoed the criticism: "Paul O'Neill is not
a threat to our national security," he said in a statement. "But the
disclosure of the identity of an undercover CIA operative undermines a key
tenet of national security and is a violation of law."
Clark has bypassed Monday's Iowa caucuses in hopes of scoring well in the
New Hampshire first-in-the-nation primary Jan. 27.
The retired general told participants in a round-table discussion in
Manchester that his proposal to repeal Bush's tax cuts and ending all taxes
on families earning under $50,000 would lift more than 1 million Americans
out of poverty.
During the course of the campaign, Clark has tried to hitch his star to
former President Clinton, and in a conference call with reporters Tuesday,
Clark aides said the last Democratic president has reviewed Clark's position
papers, analyzed polling data and even referred a major donor to Clark.
The other campaigns have said their candidates have spoken to Clinton as
well, seeking advice and guidance. Aides have said the former president
would not endorse in the primary race.
Several former Clinton administration officials now working for Clark plan
to campaign for him in New Hampshire this weekend.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040113/ap_on_el_pr/clark_democrats&cid=694&ncid=1473
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"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."
- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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| Title: Re: Non-AWOL Clark calls for probe on Iraq war. |
15 Jan 2004 08:53:49 AM |
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NotBush2004 wrote:
Wesley Clark Calls for Probe on Iraq War
Tue Jan 13, 6:25 PM ET
Associated Press Writer
MANCHESTER, N.H. - Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark on Tuesday
criticized the timing of an investigation of former Treasury Secretary Paul
O'Neill and suggested President Bush was more concerned with "political
security" than national security.
Campaigning in New Hampshire two weeks before its primary election, Clark
called for a full congressional investigation into why the United States
went to war in Iraq.
Well fine. But lets investigate why the US went to war in Serbia as
well. The Serbs did us absolutely not harm.
A minority of the population loudly oppose this war with Iraq because it
is not a just war . Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11, so why attack
Iraq? These folks are found in many political camps. Many libertarians
are against this war because they are against foreign intervention. They
subscribe to the concept of Live and let live . I consider myself to be
a libertarian. Still, Im not against this war with Iraq.
My position has nothing to do with justice. Arguably no war is just.
Yet, whenever war is undertaken, both sides will tell you justice
demands it. Those who killed 3000 on 9/11 felt justified to do it. Their
conscience was clear. They had their good reasons. Warring parties
always do. When Palestinians kill Israelis they do it for just reasons.
When Israelis kill Palestinians it is done in the name of justice. Serbs
did not kill Kosovar Albanians for fun. Their cause was just. Likewise,
Kosovar Albanians felt justified in killing Serbs.
Justice, like the Common Good and the Public Interest are flexible and
relative concepts which, like the word is, find meaning in the eye of
the beholder. Those who protest the Iraq war now were silent when we
bombed the Serbs into submission then. Yet the Serbs did not attack us
either. So why was it just to bomb Serb children but not Iraqi children?
The Serbs did not bomb the French or invade the Germans. So why do the
same French and Germans, who even now occupy the Serbs, object to a US
occupation of Iraq? Why did they demand UN approval for our war but shun
that same UN for their war?
Anyone who thinks Saddam Hussein is neutral in the larger Muslim
fundamentalist war against us for our support of Israel must be in
denial. The Arabs have their idea of justice and it differs markedly
from that of the Israelis. No, either we change our foreign policy to
please the Arabs, the Israelis, or ourselves. That is what this conflict
is about. It is not about oil. It is not about justice. It is all about
our support of Israeli interests at the expense of Arab interests.
Live and let live does not seem to be universally accepted. Someone is
trying to kill us. Decide on your interests, not those of either the
Israelis or the Arabs. Whose interest are you willing to kill or die for?
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| User: "Server 13" |
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| Title: Re: Non-AWOL Clark calls for probe on Iraq war. |
15 Jan 2004 12:45:28 PM |
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Werner Hetzner wrote:
NotBush2004 wrote:
Wesley Clark Calls for Probe on Iraq War
Tue Jan 13, 6:25 PM ET
Associated Press Writer
MANCHESTER, N.H. - Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark on
Tuesday
criticized the timing of an investigation of former Treasury Secretary
Paul
O'Neill and suggested President Bush was more concerned with "political
security" than national security.
Campaigning in New Hampshire two weeks before its primary election, Clark
called for a full congressional investigation into why the United States
went to war in Iraq.
Well fine. But lets investigate why the US went to war in Serbia as
well. The Serbs did us absolutely not harm.
A minority of the population loudly oppose this war with Iraq because it
is not a just war . Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11, so why attack
Iraq? These folks are found in many political camps. Many libertarians
are against this war because they are against foreign intervention. They
subscribe to the concept of Live and let live . I consider myself to be
a libertarian. Still, Im not against this war with Iraq.
My position has nothing to do with justice. Arguably no war is just.
Yet, whenever war is undertaken, both sides will tell you justice
demands it. Those who killed 3000 on 9/11 felt justified to do it. Their
conscience was clear. They had their good reasons. Warring parties
always do. When Palestinians kill Israelis they do it for just reasons.
When Israelis kill Palestinians it is done in the name of justice. Serbs
did not kill Kosovar Albanians for fun. Their cause was just. Likewise,
Kosovar Albanians felt justified in killing Serbs.
Justice, like the Common Good and the Public Interest are flexible and
relative concepts which, like the word is, find meaning in the eye of
the beholder. Those who protest the Iraq war now were silent when we
bombed the Serbs into submission then. Yet the Serbs did not attack us
either. So why was it just to bomb Serb children but not Iraqi children?
The Serbs did not bomb the French or invade the Germans. So why do the
same French and Germans, who even now occupy the Serbs, object to a US
occupation of Iraq? Why did they demand UN approval for our war but shun
that same UN for their war?
Anyone who thinks Saddam Hussein is neutral in the larger Muslim
fundamentalist war against us for our support of Israel must be in
denial. The Arabs have their idea of justice and it differs markedly
from that of the Israelis. No, either we change our foreign policy to
please the Arabs, the Israelis, or ourselves. That is what this conflict
is about. It is not about oil. It is not about justice. It is all about
our support of Israeli interests at the expense of Arab interests.
Live and let live does not seem to be universally accepted. Someone is
trying to kill us. Decide on your interests, not those of either the
Israelis or the Arabs. Whose interest are you willing to kill or die for?
Mine, and America's. Hussein threatened neither.
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| User: "Thom" |
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| Title: Re: Non-AWOL Clark calls for probe on Iraq war. |
15 Jan 2004 08:20:08 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:45:28 -0600, Server 13 <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote:
Werner Hetzner wrote:
NotBush2004 wrote:
Wesley Clark Calls for Probe on Iraq War
Tue Jan 13, 6:25 PM ET
Associated Press Writer
MANCHESTER, N.H. - Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark on
Tuesday
criticized the timing of an investigation of former Treasury Secretary
Paul
O'Neill and suggested President Bush was more concerned with "political
security" than national security.
Campaigning in New Hampshire two weeks before its primary election, Clark
called for a full congressional investigation into why the United States
went to war in Iraq.
Well fine. But lets investigate why the US went to war in Serbia as
well. The Serbs did us absolutely not harm.
A minority of the population loudly oppose this war with Iraq because it
is not a just war . Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11, so why attack
Iraq? These folks are found in many political camps. Many libertarians
are against this war because they are against foreign intervention. They
subscribe to the concept of Live and let live . I consider myself to be
a libertarian. Still, Im not against this war with Iraq.
My position has nothing to do with justice. Arguably no war is just.
Yet, whenever war is undertaken, both sides will tell you justice
demands it. Those who killed 3000 on 9/11 felt justified to do it. Their
conscience was clear. They had their good reasons. Warring parties
always do. When Palestinians kill Israelis they do it for just reasons.
When Israelis kill Palestinians it is done in the name of justice. Serbs
did not kill Kosovar Albanians for fun. Their cause was just. Likewise,
Kosovar Albanians felt justified in killing Serbs.
Justice, like the Common Good and the Public Interest are flexible and
relative concepts which, like the word is, find meaning in the eye of
the beholder. Those who protest the Iraq war now were silent when we
bombed the Serbs into submission then. Yet the Serbs did not attack us
either. So why was it just to bomb Serb children but not Iraqi children?
The Serbs did not bomb the French or invade the Germans. So why do the
same French and Germans, who even now occupy the Serbs, object to a US
occupation of Iraq? Why did they demand UN approval for our war but shun
that same UN for their war?
Anyone who thinks Saddam Hussein is neutral in the larger Muslim
fundamentalist war against us for our support of Israel must be in
denial. The Arabs have their idea of justice and it differs markedly
from that of the Israelis. No, either we change our foreign policy to
please the Arabs, the Israelis, or ourselves. That is what this conflict
is about. It is not about oil. It is not about justice. It is all about
our support of Israeli interests at the expense of Arab interests.
Live and let live does not seem to be universally accepted. Someone is
trying to kill us. Decide on your interests, not those of either the
Israelis or the Arabs. Whose interest are you willing to kill or die for?
Mine, and America's. Hussein threatened neither.
but but he embarassed Daddy Bush and threatened to kill him and thems
fighten words! To bad Bush sent evenyone but Bush family members to
avenge Daddy. At least the Hatfierlds and the McCoys did their own
dirty work.
THOM
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