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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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13 Apr 2007 01:07:32 PM |
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Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they
were illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak
english, you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say.
Lengthy article.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
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| User: "Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
13 Apr 2007 01:42:00 PM |
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:EFPTh.2601$3P3.382@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for help
for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they were
illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak english,
you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say. Lengthy
article.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
Given their total income, they estimated that they could afford payments of
$3,000 a month. They spotted an ad in the local magazine La Ganga for Maria
Avila of Rancho Grande Real Estate and called her.
"We wanted to live in Watsonville," says Rosa. "But [the real estate agent]
said the houses there were older and more expensive." One of the first homes
they were shown was a "new" four-bedroom, two-bath house in Hollister for
$720,000. When the Ramirez's heard the price, they worried that they
couldn't afford it.
But the couple says that their real estate agent and broker reassured them
it was possible. "The monthly payment was supposed to be $4,800, but then
after we bought it, it went up to $5,378," says Rosa, speaking of their
zero-down mortgage with a one-month "teaser rate."
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It's all the lender's fault they bought a house with a $4,800 payment, but
could only afford $3,000 per month.
Nevermind how berry pickers making $300 per week can afford a $720,000
house, even with another couple.
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| User: "AnAmericanCitizen" |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
13 Apr 2007 07:01:44 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:42:00 -0500, "Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote:
But the couple says that their real estate agent and broker reassured them
it was possible. "The monthly payment was supposed to be $4,800, but then
after we bought it, it went up to $5,378," says Rosa, speaking of their
zero-down mortgage with a one-month "teaser rate."
No worry. The Democrats in Congress are already working on a deal to save all the
people that bought houses they couldn't afford at the taxpayers' expense. After
all, they shouldn't have to suffer for their own stupidity, should they? Actually
the stupid ones seem to be those people that only buy what they can afford.
Incidentally, how does a berrypicker afford a $4800 per month payment?....AAC
Giving the Democrat's power is like giving a 3 year old a Driver's License.
They will Crash and burn and destroy themselves. They don't deserve the privilege
to run the country. They are too controlled by the left wing blog's and are in bed
with the media elite and that's how they got elected. They have absolutely no idea
how to run a government. Get ready for the fireworks! FDK
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| User: "Bill Bonde Hi ho " |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
13 Apr 2007 10:15:56 PM |
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Taylor wrote:
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:EFPTh.2601$3P3.382@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for help
for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they were
illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak english,
you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say. Lengthy
article.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
Given their total income, they estimated that they could afford payments of
$3,000 a month. They spotted an ad in the local magazine La Ganga for Maria
Avila of Rancho Grande Real Estate and called her.
"We wanted to live in Watsonville," says Rosa. "But [the real estate agent]
said the houses there were older and more expensive." One of the first homes
they were shown was a "new" four-bedroom, two-bath house in Hollister for
$720,000. When the Ramirez's heard the price, they worried that they
couldn't afford it.
But the couple says that their real estate agent and broker reassured them
it was possible. "The monthly payment was supposed to be $4,800, but then
after we bought it, it went up to $5,378," says Rosa, speaking of their
zero-down mortgage with a one-month "teaser rate."
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It's all the lender's fault they bought a house with a $4,800 payment, but
could only afford $3,000 per month.
Some lenders are playing games. Even if people want to buy homes that
they can't afford, it is incumbent on the loan maker to prevent the
loan. It is difficult to believe, as well, that all homes within 50
miles of their home cost more than $720,000.
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| User: "* US *" |
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14 Apr 2007 07:16:09 AM |
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Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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14 Apr 2007 09:07:15 AM |
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* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
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| User: "Bill Bonde Hi ho " |
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14 Apr 2007 02:12:33 PM |
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Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO and many more than hundreds more workers, is
that sort of pay really going to affect the bottom line? Also, a
corporation can't do without a CEO, can't do without people running the
company. How on earth would it work if just the people "working" were
there and no one was making decisions?
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| User: "Defendario" |
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14 Apr 2007 02:36:17 PM |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year. If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
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| User: "Bill Bonde Hi ho " |
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14 Apr 2007 05:28:30 PM |
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Defendario wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year.
Then *you* shouldn't pay anyone a million dollars per year. That's the
rub of this, innit? You want to dictate to others how much they will pay
someone, and if it's "too much", you will confiscate it. That doesn't
sound like a very free society you advocate. I think having some folks
paid too much is minor compared to your remedy.
If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
You probably could find four people to be CEO. The issue is whether or
not to confiscate their earnings.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
So what's the incentive to earn more if the government is just going to
take it away? Many of the CEOs make their big money on stock options and
other means that are in fact part of investment in the company.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
Actually I'm not stupid.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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14 Apr 2007 06:16:55 PM |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year.
Then *you* shouldn't pay anyone a million dollars per year. That's the
rub of this, innit? You want to dictate to others how much they will pay
someone, and if it's "too much", you will confiscate it. That doesn't
sound like a very free society you advocate. I think having some folks
paid too much is minor compared to your remedy.
Don't like the income tax? Fight it in court.
Meanwhile, let's make the tax system more progressive. I don't feel
sorry for rich MFers, and you shouldn't either, even if you are one
(which I doubt)
If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
You probably could find four people to be CEO. The issue is whether or
not to confiscate their earnings.
See above. Taxes are necessary to provide services, without which
society would cease to exist.
Money is no good to anyone if there is no security.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
So what's the incentive to earn more if the government is just going to
take it away? Many of the CEOs make their big money on stock options and
other means that are in fact part of investment in the company.
That's still income. Belatedly, you seem to have struck upon my point
-- no one would insist on making a bigger gross income if the net gain
is zero. That's why the example of the Scandinavian tax system is a
good model. The top tax rates approach 100% There is no incentive to
be overpaid.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
Actually I'm not stupid.
Stupid people usually are too stupid to recognize it. That's you all over.
I said it before, and stand by my assessment -- you're as dumb as a sack
of hammers.
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| User: "* US *" |
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15 Apr 2007 05:26:07 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:55 -0400, Defendario <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year.
Then *you* shouldn't pay anyone a million dollars per year. That's the
rub of this, innit? You want to dictate to others how much they will pay
someone, and if it's "too much", you will confiscate it. That doesn't
sound like a very free society you advocate. I think having some folks
paid too much is minor compared to your remedy.
Don't like the income tax? Fight it in court.
Meanwhile, let's make the tax system more progressive. I don't feel
sorry for rich MFers, and you shouldn't either, even if you are one
(which I doubt)
If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
You probably could find four people to be CEO. The issue is whether or
not to confiscate their earnings.
See above. Taxes are necessary to provide services, without which
society would cease to exist.
Money is no good to anyone if there is no security.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
So what's the incentive to earn more if the government is just going to
take it away? Many of the CEOs make their big money on stock options and
other means that are in fact part of investment in the company.
That's still income. Belatedly, you seem to have struck upon my point
-- no one would insist on making a bigger gross income if the net gain
is zero. That's why the example of the Scandinavian tax system is a
good model. The top tax rates approach 100% There is no incentive to
be overpaid.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
Actually I'm not stupid.
Stupid people usually are too stupid to recognize it. That's you all over.
I said it before, and stand by my assessment -- you're as dumb as a sack
of hammers.
You're right, of course.
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| User: "* US *" |
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15 Apr 2007 05:25:28 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:28:30 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( 'Ima ho' )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Actually I'm not stupid.
Of course Bill Bonde is stupid, and to the
extent that he's unable to know that.
Another useful example of why some were
fooled so easily by Bush/Cheney lies.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:36:17 -0400, Defendario <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Ima ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year. If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
He'll still be stupid if he stays around, too,
but useful as an example.
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| User: "* US *" |
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14 Apr 2007 04:38:32 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:36:17 -0400, Defendario <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Ima ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year. If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
He'll still be stupid if he stays around, too,
but useful as an example.
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| User: "Bill Bonde Hi ho " |
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14 Apr 2007 05:31:29 PM |
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*, US, * wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:36:17 -0400, Defendario <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Ima ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year. If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
He'll still be stupid if he stays around, too,
but useful as an example.
How dare anyone disagree with you? Sacrosanct in a free society is the
ability to freely debate issues. That's one reason why the people who
hate America are allowed to continue to post their materials here even
from the United States. If you want to confiscate wages you think are
"too much" and you want to muzzle people who disagree with you, perhaps
you'd be happier in a totalitarian dictatorship. I'm sorry to tell but
Saddam is dead.
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Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "* US *" |
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15 Apr 2007 05:24:02 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:31:29 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( 'Ima ho' )"
<tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
...hate America ...
Of course you do.
See what I mean about an example?
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:36:17 -0400, Defendario <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
Bill Bonde ( 'Ima ho' ) wrote:
Defendario wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Since there is only one CEO
So what? I don't believe that any man is worth a million dollars per
year. If you can't get one person to do what the guy is /supposed/ to
be doing, I bet three or four people could.
We need a steeply progressive taxation system to curb the greedy
bastards. That will force them to either invest in the company or the
workers, since more pay for execs will just end up in Uncle Sugar's
pocket anyway.
Go away Bonde. You're stupid.
He'll still be stupid if he stays around, too,
but useful as an example.
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| User: "* US *" |
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14 Apr 2007 04:37:11 PM |
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Society/CEO_Greed.html
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| User: "* US *" |
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14 Apr 2007 11:39:13 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:07:15 -0400, Defendario <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
* US * wrote:
Mexicans and Americans and everybody could work
and earn and live with some prosperity, if the CEO
didn't take hundreds of times the money of the
productive worker.
Truer words were never spoken
Thank you. I refuse to be pitted against those who
are no threat to me whatsoever, and I refuse to
capitulate to those who are a real threat to the
quality of life of Americans and others.
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| User: "Charles Aulds" |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
13 Apr 2007 01:16:05 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:32 +0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they
were illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak
english, you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say.
Lengthy article.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
I think Americans should organize a "job-sharing" cooperative, in which
they each agree to forego one day's salary at their regular jobs and,
instead, devote that day to working (for the wage normally paid
legal and/or illegal foreign guest workers) in chicken processing plants
or maybe crop harvesting, roofing and brick-laying, that sort of thing.
That would eliminate the demand for non-American labor.
Charles
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
14 Apr 2007 07:41:09 AM |
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"Charles Aulds" <caulds@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.04.13.18.16.03.663166@hiwaay.net...
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:32 +0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they
were illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak
english, you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say.
Lengthy article.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
I think Americans should organize a "job-sharing" cooperative, in which
they each agree to forego one day's salary at their regular jobs and,
instead, devote that day to working (for the wage normally paid
legal and/or illegal foreign guest workers) in chicken processing plants
or maybe crop harvesting, roofing and brick-laying, that sort of thing.
That would eliminate the demand for non-American labor.
Charles
Charles, buddy, it would help if you knew a thing, one thing. Unless your
well trained you can't lay brick. It takes a lot of training to be a good
brick layer but you wouldn't understand. What in the heck do you do?
Sanitize telephones? Wonder around in your back yard looking for China?
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
13 Apr 2007 07:14:00 PM |
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Charles Aulds wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:32 +0000, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they
were illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak
english, you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say.
Lengthy article.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
I think Americans should organize a "job-sharing" cooperative, in which
they each agree to forego one day's salary at their regular jobs and,
instead, devote that day to working (for the wage normally paid
legal and/or illegal foreign guest workers) in chicken processing plants
or maybe crop harvesting, roofing and brick-laying, that sort of thing.
LOL, are you trying to kill our bourgeois class!?!!
I'm telling you, it takes a special type of MFer to work construction in
the southwest. The unprepared face great risks.
I was one of the few and proud /huerros/ on the roofs of Phoenix.
That would eliminate the demand for non-American labor.
Or it would increase appreciation for what wets do for you.
Charles
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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13 Apr 2007 01:52:34 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:32 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity.
Since they were lied to about what the payments would be so the sales
agent could make commission, their stupidity doesn't seem all that
mind-boggling. People are conned all the time using much less
plausible lies.
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| User: "Bill Bonde Hi ho " |
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13 Apr 2007 10:17:30 PM |
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David Johnston wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:32 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity.
Since they were lied to about what the payments would be so the sales
agent could make commission, their stupidity doesn't seem all that
mind-boggling. People are conned all the time using much less
plausible lies.
Who really knows what they were told given they don't speak English.
Perhaps the entire transaction was done in hand gestures.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy.
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| User: "Patrick" |
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| Title: Re: Non-english speaking Hispanic berry picker buys $720,000 house |
13 Apr 2007 01:19:09 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:32 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
wrote:
And of course the family can't make the payments and are begging for
help for their own mind-boggling stupidity. Article doesn't say if they
were illegal aliens but since neither the man nor his wife can speak
english, you have to suspect they are. No more muds in america, i say.
Lengthy article.
I'd rather have 1000 of them in my neighborhood then one ignorant , racist
***** like you.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL
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"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
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