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"Z" |
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25 Feb 2004 04:02:19 PM |
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North Korea supports Kerry |
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
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| User: "Grinder" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
25 Feb 2004 04:24:56 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
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Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
Yeah. There was picture of Kim Jong II, Jane Fonda and Sen. Kerry together
eating sushi.
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| User: "Bob M." |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
25 Feb 2004 04:40:03 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:103q6ojocsiae24@corp.supernews.com...
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
Wow! Then I guess I shouldn't vote for Kerry then, Should I?
Bob
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| User: "=Ö§âmâ ßíñ Trâvís=" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
25 Feb 2004 05:00:53 PM |
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"Bob M." <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7v9%b.2643$1m1.1541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:103q6ojocsiae24@corp.supernews.com...
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
Wow! Then I guess I shouldn't vote for Kerry then, Should I?
Bob
Yeah, maybe I should vote for Kim!
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| User: "David Fabian" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
26 Feb 2004 01:07:42 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message news:103q6ojocsiae24@corp.supernews.com...
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Right. It tells voters that Kim Jong Il knows that our Führer
wants to overthrow him.
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| User: "Republican Double Standard" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
25 Feb 2004 04:02:44 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in news:103q6ojocsiae24@corp.supernews.com:
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
Funny. Osama bin Laden endorsed Bush.
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"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the
many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as
the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and
owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography,
My American Journey, p. 148)
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| User: "Founding Father" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
06 Mar 2004 01:08:44 AM |
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"Republican Double Standard" <bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949AAD5D242CFbiodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4...
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in news:103q6ojocsiae24@corp.supernews.com:
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
Funny. Osama bin Laden endorsed Bush.
We see there really ARE two Americas.
Conservative America, which relies on facts to make their points.
Liberal America, which has to rely on fabrications since the facts go
against them (and which has the support of America's enemies).
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| User: "Republican Double Standard" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
06 Mar 2004 08:01:22 AM |
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"Founding Father" <ff@qwest.net> wrote in
news:YNe2c.855$No1.86936@news.uswest.net:
"Republican Double Standard" <bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns949AAD5D242CFbiodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4...
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in
news:103q6ojocsiae24@corp.supernews.com:
Kim Jong Il endorsed Sen. Kerry for president today.
That should tell the voters something!
Z
Funny. Osama bin Laden endorsed Bush.
We see there really ARE two Americas.
Conservative America, which relies on facts to make their points.
Liberal America, which has to rely on fabrications since the facts go
against them (and which has the support of America's enemies).
So you rely on facts? Like the fact that Osama bailed out George Bush
when Arbusto went El Busto? Like the fact that Osama's personal banker
was an investor in Spectum 7? Like the fact that in the days after 9/11
George Bush grounded all airplanes except the one that evacuated all the
bin Laden family members from the United States?
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Uncle Osama supports George Bush today just as he always has. He bailed
out George's ***** when Arbusto when El Busto and Poppy and Osama have been
close buds for decades. Uncle Osama gave Bush his desperately needed
"trifecta." The last thing Osama wants is a US President who won't
distract the nation with silly wars against hapless enemies like Iraq.
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| User: "Mr. N" |
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| Title: Re: North Korea supports Kerry |
06 Mar 2004 01:56:29 AM |
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"Founding Father" <ff@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:YNe2c.855$No1.86936@news.uswest.net...
We see there really ARE two Americas.
Conservative America, which relies on facts to make their points.
Liberal America, which has to rely on fabrications since the facts go
against them (and which has the support of America's enemies).
Another crude slur
With a campaign of distortion and lies, the right-wing smear machine is
trying to impugn the military honor of John Kerry.
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By Joe Conason
March 6, 2004 | The contrast between the military careers of George W.
Bush and John Kerry is drawing veterans to the Democratic Party -- and
maddening conservative Republicans who have grown accustomed to monopolizing
the symbolism of flag and country. To tarnish Kerry, the right has reached
back more than 30 years to develop a narrative that transforms him from hero
to traitor, by distorting his antiwar activism after he returned from
Vietnam.
They hope to convince America that by testifying and organizing for peace,
the young Navy lieutenant somehow "dishonored" his fellow sailors and
soldiers.
This effort began quite crudely, with the anonymous distribution of a faked
photo of Kerry with Jane Fonda. But now Kerry critics are focused on the
so-called "Winter Soldier" investigation -- a public event staged in January
1971 by Kerry and other leaders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War to
expose the brutality and devastation of the Indochina conflict.
The right-wing extremists at Free Republic have set up a new "Winter
Soldier" Web site devoted to that event, highlighting Kerry's subsequent
testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about alleged U.S.
war crimes. According to the Freeper theory, he "launched his political
career" by denigrating his comrades in arms, although nobody who reads his
testimony will find much evidence to support that accusation. (He did run
for Congress in 1972 -- and lost in part because of his VVAW connections.)
Coordinating with the Freeper attack are Texas chicken-hawk Rep. Tom DeLay,
who recently upbraided Kerry for the Winter Soldier episode, and Gary
Aldrich, the former White House FBI agent who fabricated salacious stories
about Bill and Hillary Clinton, who now suspects that Kerry was
"pro-Communistic" and is demanding to see his old FBI files.
Meanwhile, the National Review descended still further, featuring a weird
article by Romania's former Communist spy chief, in which he insinuates that
Kerry, and anyone else who talked about atrocities in Vietnam, was really an
instrument of KGB propaganda. (It is remarkable to see a "conservative"
magazine publish a smear written by a man who once facilitated the
atrocities of the Ceausescu regime.) The essay by Ion Mihai Pacepa, who
defected to the West in 1978, is titled "Kerry's Soviet Rhetoric," and
claims that his testimony about the war in 1971 "sounds exactly like the
disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the
Vietnam era."
Had Kerry said or done something stupid at the impressionable age of 25 --
after surviving horrific jungle warfare that had cost the lives of several
close friends -- his furious protests would be forgivable more than 30 years
later. He, too, might have been "young and foolish when he was young and
foolish," as a famous man put it. But in contrast to the VVAW's radicalized
veterans and other elements of the antiwar movement, Kerry was sober and
mature. Some of his own allies openly disdained him for his moderation.
Although he, too, was disillusioned and angry, Kerry insisted on working
"within the system." During that period he spent much of his energy trying
to register young people to vote for antiwar congressional candidates.
It's also true that he led raucous demonstrations in Washington, and
participated in the "Winter Soldier" hearings. When he appeared before the
Senate three months later, he spoke at length about reported American
atrocities, attributing most of the specific allegations to veterans who had
testified during Winter Soldier. Graphic references to rape, dismemberment
and murder took up less than a paragraph of his lengthy testimony, but they
certainly brought no credit on the U.S. military. Yet his eloquent words won
bipartisan praise from the senators who listened to him.
Kerry didn't join the antiwar movement to indict his fellow soldiers; he
often spoke with passion about the injustices done to them, both during the
war and when they returned home to inadequate medical care and an
indifferent government. His purpose was to prevent more of them from being
killed, as he said over and over again.
He didn't try to absolve himself when denouncing the indiscriminate violence
of the war. On "Meet the Press," he confessed that he had participated in
"the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed
in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones." But he felt strongly
that U.S. military commanders and civilian policymakers were far more
culpable for those atrocities than the men who obeyed their orders. Appalled
by the civilian casualties in the "free-fire zones" marked out by their
commanders, Kerry and other junior officers had gone to Saigon in January
1969 to complain to their superior -- and were of course ignored.
The free-fire zones, the use of napalm, the carpet-bombing and the
assassination programs were all aspects of a guerrilla conflict that could
not be prosecuted without killing thousands of civilians. Only by falsifying
history -- and assuming that nobody will remember the truth -- can Kerry's
right-wing critics claim that he somehow misled the country about what was
happening in Vietnam. The smear depends on historical amnesia.
Last year the suppressed recollections of that disturbing past emerged
again, when investigative journalist Gregory Vistica revealed wartime
secrets long concealed by Bob Kerrey. Although the most incriminating
details remain disputed, the former senator and Congressional Medal of Honor
winner has admitted that he and Navy SEALS under his command massacred
civilians during a nighttime raid on a hamlet called Thanh Phong in 1969.
The ensuing debate over his conduct revived searing memories of My Lai, the
village where hundreds of civilians were raped and murdered in March 1968 by
U.S. soldiers.
In 1971, John Kerry told the Senate that if William Calley and the other
soldiers who committed those atrocities were guilty, then so were the
commanders who had made such crimes inevitable and then covered them up. "I
think if you are going to try Lieutenant Calley then you must at the same
time, if this country is going to demand respect for the law, you must at
the same time try all those other people who have responsibility, and any
aversion that we may have to the verdict as veterans is not to say that
Calley should be freed, not to say that he is innocent, but to say that you
can't just take him alone." Kerry's critics argue that My Lai was an
isolated incident, but at least one celebrated general doesn't agree.
Secretary of State Colin Powell held a command position in the Army's
Americal Division, which had included Calley's unit, and he was asked to
investigate the earliest allegations about My Lai. He failed to uncover the
massacre and was later accused of facilitating the coverup. Whether that
accusation is fair or not, Powell knows what happened in Vietnam.
"My Lai was an appalling example of much that had gone wrong in Vietnam," he
wrote in his bestselling autobiography, "My American Journey." "The
involvement of so many unprepared officers and noncoms led to breakdowns in
morale, discipline and professional judgment -- and to horrors like My
Lai -- as the troops became numb to what appeared to be endless and mindless
slaughter." For some reason, despite his loyalty to the president, Powell
doesn't seem eager to attack John Kerry.
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