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"grinder" |
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20 Mar 2006 11:13:45 AM |
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Not a civil war? Then what is it? |
A Civil War is war where different factions in the same country fight for
control of state power or the fighting may be over other matters such as
religion, ethnicity, or distribution of wealth.
I hear Rumsfailed and Cheney saying what is happening in Iraq is not a civil
war.
What I don't hear from them is their definition of a Civil War.
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| User: "Bob Eldred" |
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| Title: Re: Not a civil war? Then what is it? |
20 Mar 2006 01:08:30 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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A Civil War is war where different factions in the same country fight for
control of state power or the fighting may be over other matters such as
religion, ethnicity, or distribution of wealth.
I hear Rumsfailed and Cheney saying what is happening in Iraq is not a
civil
war.
What I don't hear from them is their definition of a Civil War.
To Bush and Cheney it's not a civil war until Iraqis march out in blue and
gray uniforms and fight massive battles complete with horses and cannons.
Any thing less is nothing but the activities of a few malcontents or dead
enders who are "terrorists" in their minds. Of course, the fact that Bush
and Cheney have been wrong on everything from flowers at our feet, WMD,
liberators, mission accomplished, last throes and everything else seems to
go unnoticed to some...go figure.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Not a civil war? Then what is it? |
20 Mar 2006 02:14:32 PM |
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Perhaps the point of the "mission accomplished" speech was to undermine
the morale of the Baathists. It was for Iraqi ears, not American ears.
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| User: "Bob Eldred" |
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| Title: Re: Not a civil war? Then what is it? |
20 Mar 2006 03:22:47 PM |
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<nbatra@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Perhaps the point of the "mission accomplished" speech was to undermine
the morale of the Baathists. It was for Iraqi ears, not American ears.
Yeah right! That's why it was given on the aircraft carrier Abrahm Lincoln
off of San Diego on US tv with a big banner in english claiming "Mission
Accomplished." I know the Baathists are really fans of FNN and CNN. (sic)
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?YankFan=AE?=" |
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| Title: Re: Not a civil war? Then what is it? |
20 Mar 2006 02:40:18 PM |
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wrote:
Perhaps the point of the "mission accomplished" speech was to undermine
the morale of the Baathists. It was for Iraqi ears, not American ears.
I don't know, I'm still looking for that massive civil war that the
media and democrats are talking about. It has been weeks now. WHERE THE
***** IS MY CIVIL WAR???!!!
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: Not a civil war? Then what is it? |
20 Mar 2006 03:26:56 PM |
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YankFan® wrote:
nbatra@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Perhaps the point of the "mission accomplished" speech was to undermine
the morale of the Baathists. It was for Iraqi ears, not American ears.
I don't know, I'm still looking for that massive civil war that the
media and democrats are talking about. It has been weeks now. WHERE THE
***** IS MY CIVIL WAR???!!!
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/19/world/main1419408.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=HOME_1419408&source=GoogleRSSTopStories&creative=topkeyword
Former Iraq PM: 'We Are In Civil War'
LONDON, March 19, 2006
Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi. (AP)
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"If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."
Ayad Allawi
former Iraqi prime minister
(CBS/AP) Iraq is in the middle of a civil war, Iraq's former prime
minister, Ayad Allawi, said in an interview with the British
Broadcasting Corp. aired on Sunday.
Allawi said there was no other way to describe the increasing violence
across the country.
"It is unfortunate that we are in civil war. We are losing each day as
an average 50 to 60 people throughout the country, if not more," Allawi
told the BBC. "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."
Allawi heads the Iraqi National List, a secular alliance of Shiite and
Sunni politicians.
While visiting British troops in Iraq on Sunday, defense secretary John
Reid said Allawi's remarks to the BBC contradicted what the former prime
minister had told him in a meeting on Saturday.
"Every single politician I have met here from the prime minister to the
president, the defense minister and indeed Ayad Allawi himself yesterday
said to me there's an increase in the sectarian killing, but there's not
a civil war and we will not allow a civil war to develop," Reid said.
"The essential thing is to show maximum unity in a government of
national unity so that the terrorists that do want a civil war do not
get their wish."
Allawi said the violence in the country was moving toward "the point of
no return" and that Iraq is "in a terrible civil conflict."
Allawi warned that European nations and the United States would not be
immune from the conflict, saying that not only will Iraq "fall apart,"
but that "sectarianism will spread throughout the region, and even
Europe and the United States would not be spared all the violence that
may occur as a result of sectarian problems in this region."
Not surprisingly, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld disagreed.
In a Washington Post column Sunday, Rumsfeld argued that talk of civil
war has been overblown, promoted mostly by terrorists, who, as the
defense secretary said, "seem to recognize that they are losing in Iraq."
Rumsfeld added that failing to fight terrorists in Iraq, "would be the
modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis."
After the bombing of the Shia shrine at Samarra on Feb. 22, there was an
increase in civil violence, leading observers to say that the country
was on the brink of civil war, an assertion that has been rejected by
lawmakers.
Allawi said that playing down the current problems in Iraq would be a
mistake, and told the BBC that he had warned against creating a power
vacuum and the prevalence of militias.
Allawi said the formation of a national unity government was the means
the country needs to achieve the goal of a peaceful country.
Iraq's newly elected Parliament was seated on Thursday, and
representatives of its Shiite Arab, Sunni Arab and Kurdish blocs have
been meeting in an effort to overcome deep divisions and agree on the
makeup of a new government. The minority factions want to block broad
Shiite control of powerful ministries.
Allawi, a secular Shiite whose nonsectarian party won 25 seats in
December parliamentary balloting, was among the groups trying to block
the candidacy of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari.
Al-Jaafari, the opposition groups contend, would not represent their
interests and did too little to stop Shiite revenge attacks in the
aftermath of the Samarra shrine bombing.
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