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Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States, not from
an international location monitoring incoming calls to American citizens.
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Official: Bush authorized spying multiple times
Senior intelligence officer says president personally gave NSA permission
Dec. 16, 2005
NEW YORK - President Bush has personally authorized a secretive
eavesdropping program in the United States more than three dozen times since
October 2001, a senior intelligence official said Friday night.
The disclosure follows angry demands by lawmakers earlier in the day for a
congressional inquiry into whether the monitoring by the highly secretive
National Security Agency violated civil liberties.
"There is no doubt that this is inappropriate," declared Republican Sen.
Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
He promised hearings early next year.
Bush on Friday refused to discuss whether he had authorized such domestic
spying without obtaining warrants from a court, saying that to comment would
tie his hands in fighting terrorists.
In a broad defense of the program put forward hours later, however, a senior
intelligence official told The Associated Press that the eavesdropping was
narrowly designed to go after possible terrorist threats in the United
States.
The official said that since October 2001, the program has been renewed more
than three dozen times. Each time, the White House counsel and the attorney
general certified the lawfulness of the program, the official said. Bush
then signed the authorization.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10488458/
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the
country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag
the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 10:19:08 PM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around town.
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 10:26:13 PM |
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around town.
Methinks you protest too loudly.
Your president has broke the law and all your lies and threats won't change
that.
Bush has no legal right or need to secretly surveil U.S. citizens. Yet
spineless fascists like yourself are too cowardly and stupid to stand up for
the U.S. Constitution and liberty.
The fact is neo-fascists have become as big a threat or bigger than Islamic
terrorists.
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fascism: a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme
right, TYPICALLY THROUGH THE MERGING OF STATE AND BUSINESS LEADERSHIP,
together with a belligerent nationalism.
The American Heritage Dictionary
copyright 1973
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 11:22:04 PM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 11:25:57 PM |
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around
town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
You'd shred the constitution just to feel a bit more safe? You are a
coward
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 11:40:36 PM |
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
You're a fascist demonizer and liar.
Now coward, defend your president with something besides your strawmen.
Show us where Bush has the legal authority to spy on U.S. citizens without
oversight.
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§ 1809. Criminal sanctions
Release date: 2005-03-17
(a) Prohibited activities
A person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally-
(1) engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as
authorized by statute; or
(2) discloses or uses information obtained under color of law by electronic
surveillance, knowing or having reason to know that the information was
obtained through electronic surveillance not authorized by statute.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001809----000-.html
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United States Constitution
Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.
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Doomed to defeat by the superior Allied forces, it was thought that the
forces of fascism had been routed and that the world was safe for democracy.
The irony is that the intelligence apparatus of the U.S. government saved
many of the most hardened Nazi war criminals from a certain execution in
order to recruit them as scientists, spies and guerrilla warriors in the
anticipated war with the Soviet Union. And this had dire effects on our
country's democracy.
Many Americans may not be aware of this wide spread recruitment of SS and
Gestapo alumni into our intelligence agencies but it has had a profound
effect on the shaping of our domestic and foreign policy, often with ruinous
consequences. The legacy of this incorporation of Nazis into the CIA and
U.S. military has been a half a century of support for fascist regimes,
juntas, death squads, torture and the overthrow of democratically elected
governments around the world.
http://archive.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=9099
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 11:56:33 PM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around
town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
You're a fascist demonizer and liar.
Nope, that would be idiots like you on the left.
That is why we laugh at you.
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| User: "Deaf Power" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
05 Jan 2006 09:00:47 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:56:33 -0900, "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote:
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0003$43bc9fe5$4fee79d$26902@DIALUPUSA.NET...
"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around
town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
You're a fascist demonizer and liar.
Nope, that would be idiots like you on the left.
That is why we laugh at you.
Kook alert - "left".
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A vote for republican is a vote for fascism!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
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| User: "Deaf Power" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
05 Jan 2006 09:00:06 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:22:04 -0900, "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote:
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0003$43bc9fe5$4fee79d$26902@DIALUPUSA.NET...
"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
You're protecting Bush for his criminal activities.
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A vote for republican is a vote for fascism!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
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| User: "Werner Hetzner" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
05 Jan 2006 10:20:04 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:22:04 -0900, "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote:
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0003$43bc9fe5$4fee79d$26902@DIALUPUSA.NET...
"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what. Just because you support terrorists, and want them to harm
American, most Americans say you are a piece of scum.
People like you did to be tarred and feathered and dragged around town.
Your president has broke the law
Nope. He is only protecting America from your terrorist friends.
You're protecting Bush for his criminal activities.
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A vote for republican is a vote for fascism!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
One mans criminal is another's hero.
The constitution doesn't need to be changed. Now it is simply
reinterpreted. It has been reinterpreted to mean prohibitions,
limitations and mandates to benefit some at the expense of others. All
depends on what the meaning of the word is is - or 'public use' or
'Common Good' or 'General Welfare'.
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Our civil liberties were slipping away long before Patriot Act
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/PatriotAct.shtml
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It was another close election. We find ourselves warring against each
other - - red states and blue; 'them against us'; Left vs. Right;
Republicans vs. Democrats. These forces are just about equal. Each seeks
to take, keep and expand the power to impose values on the other.
Campaign finance laws not withstanding, this election cost much more
than the last. Both sides spent as if in combat and more than many
countries spend on a real war. All else -- other ideas for example -- is
a distraction we can no longer afford in this new war between Americans.
Win at all cost! Tons of money, advertising campaigns, phone banks,
promises, defections, Get out the vote battalions, voter registration
shenanigans, vote fraud, hoards of pollsters, and armies of lawyers have
become our new reality. Except for that other war, the media covered
little else and ignored other candidates.
Why is an election so important? Is it because so much power has never
been so concentrated in so few? If power corrupts, what has happened to
our perspective? Cant there be more colors than just red or blue? We
keep getting evidence that politics as usual is dysfunctional. So why do
we allow ourselves to see no other choices? Is choice even possible
without diversity? What do you have when you have no choice? Cars arent
either red or blue so why must we all be limited by Republican or
Democrat rules?
Prohibitions, limitations and mandates now rule us all. Red voters hope
to impose their values on the blue and visa versa. The red forces will
limit, mandate or prohibit some things while blue cohorts would do the
same to others. No matter the outcome, one half of the electorate will
have gained more power to impose its values at the expense of the other
half. Isnt that expense becoming unbearable and unsustainable for all?
Should we be ruled by anyone? Should values be forced on us and choices
restricted by any party? Cant we try to liberate instead of regulate
each other? Wasnt America supposed to be about voluntary agreement
instead of forced obedience?
http://www.NY.LP.org/choice
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/index.html
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: Not all warrantless surveilance on U.S. citizens took place internationally. |
04 Jan 2006 11:23:42 PM |
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in news:11rp73ro9ok0d7b@corp.supernews.com:
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:15df1$43bc97b6$4fee79d$26732@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Notice the article says the spying took place IN the United States
So what.
If you don't like the constitution change it. Or move to Communist Cuba
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