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Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough
clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a *****
Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a
clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify
her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that
gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.
The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a
long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about
political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for
leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and
this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of
bull that only the truth can provide relief.
If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up
and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure
junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene
McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor
isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby
Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines
who liked to quote poetry.
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake
and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the
deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon
spending or raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining
elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First,
you have to win elections.") Can't you even read the damn polls?
Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes,
"There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is
between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist
left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the
party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."
This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi,
emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into
calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk
like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe
Lieberman.
Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at
this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they
continue to dump on us daily.
You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican
machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you
right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in
Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political
reform, I give up on them entirely.
Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm
serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will
work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied
this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these
years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules
changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let
Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.
Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card
just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the
patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds
on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not,
however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone
impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a
snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That,
or you could just ***** on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or
eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the
Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad
news."
Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as
Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight,
we'll find someone who can.
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 11:43:31 AM |
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"ajax" <aj@x.com> wrote in message
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Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough
clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a *****
Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a
clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify
her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that
gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.
The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a
long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about
political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for
leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and
this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of
bull that only the truth can provide relief.
If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up
and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure
junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene
McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor
isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby
Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines
who liked to quote poetry.
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake
and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the
deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon
spending or raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining
elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First,
you have to win elections.") Can't you even read the damn polls?
Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes,
"There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is
between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist
left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the
party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."
This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi,
emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into
calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk
like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe
Lieberman.
Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at
this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they
continue to dump on us daily.
You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican
machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you
right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in
Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political
reform, I give up on them entirely.
Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm
serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will
work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied
this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these
years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules
changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let
Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.
Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card
just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the
patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds
on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not,
however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone
impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a
snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That,
or you could just ***** on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or
eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the
Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad
news."
Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as
Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight,
we'll find someone who can.
God bless Molly Ivins! Hillary grew up Republican, and she'll never be able
to wash that stink off herself.
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 12:22:43 PM |
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In article <Zs-dnbd7OqxZ70_eRVn-tg@giganews.com>, says...
"ajax" <aj@x.com> wrote in message
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Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough
clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a *****
Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a
clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify
her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that
gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.
The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a
long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about
political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for
leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and
this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of
bull that only the truth can provide relief.
If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up
and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure
junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene
McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor
isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby
Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines
who liked to quote poetry.
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake
and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the
deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon
spending or raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining
elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First,
you have to win elections.") Can't you even read the damn polls?
Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes,
"There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is
between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist
left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the
party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."
This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi,
emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into
calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk
like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe
Lieberman.
Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at
this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they
continue to dump on us daily.
You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican
machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you
right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in
Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political
reform, I give up on them entirely.
Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm
serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will
work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied
this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these
years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules
changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let
Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.
Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card
just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the
patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds
on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not,
however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone
impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a
snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That,
or you could just ***** on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or
eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the
Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad
news."
Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as
Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight,
we'll find someone who can.
God bless Molly Ivins! Hillary grew up Republican, and she'll never be able
to wash that stink off herself.
Amen! (New York Democrat)
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 10:34:37 AM |
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All I can to this is a-fucking-men.
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:21:40 -0600, ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough
clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a *****
Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a
clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify
her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that
gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.
The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a
long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about
political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for
leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and
this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of
bull that only the truth can provide relief.
If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up
and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure
junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene
McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor
isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby
Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines
who liked to quote poetry.
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake
and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the
deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon
spending or raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining
elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First,
you have to win elections.") Can't you even read the damn polls?
Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes,
"There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is
between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist
left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the
party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."
This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi,
emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into
calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk
like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe
Lieberman.
Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at
this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they
continue to dump on us daily.
You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican
machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you
right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in
Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political
reform, I give up on them entirely.
Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm
serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will
work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied
this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these
years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules
changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let
Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.
Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card
just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the
patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds
on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not,
however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone
impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a
snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That,
or you could just ***** on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or
eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the
Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad
news."
Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as
Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight,
we'll find someone who can.
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 08:48:48 PM |
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Everything Ivins says is true.
And everything she says suggests that we will have the first woman
president in 2009.
Bret Cahill
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 09:03:42 PM |
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"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
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Everything Ivins says is true.
And everything she says suggests that we will have the first woman
president in 2009.
I still haven't seen anything, anywhere, even suggesting a real Hillary
run with any authority.
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 03:28:34 PM |
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In article <pqn4t1hlhjvrg1chg8pb0enfeks3pu66a8@4ax.com>,
ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough
clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a *****
Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a
clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify
her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that
gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.
In other words, she's not a leader. I am. Feingold is. Murtha is. ...
R.sig
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Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee Party of one
candidate, President of the United States of America
humbubba@smart.net Maryland, USA
Ground troops out of Iraq Put the CIA under INS
Semi-legalize drugs Prosecute Bush Tighten the borders
Isolate Israel Tax churches halve military aquisitions
platform http://www.smart.net/~humbubba/platform
Hohensee-Feingold Amendment http://www.smart.net/~humbubba
The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a
long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about
political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for
leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and
this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of
bull that only the truth can provide relief.
If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up
and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure
junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene
McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor
isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby
Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines
who liked to quote poetry.
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake
and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the
deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon
spending or raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining
elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First,
you have to win elections.") Can't you even read the damn polls?
Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes,
"There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is
between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist
left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the
party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."
This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi,
emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into
calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk
like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe
Lieberman.
Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at
this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they
continue to dump on us daily.
You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican
machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you
right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in
Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political
reform, I give up on them entirely.
Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm
serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will
work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied
this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these
years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules
changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let
Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.
Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card
just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the
patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds
on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not,
however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone
impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a
snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That,
or you could just ***** on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or
eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the
Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad
news."
Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as
Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight,
we'll find someone who can.
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
21 Jan 2006 08:41:03 PM |
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Wow!
(that's satire, Cuz)
"ajax" <aj@x.com> wrote in message
news:pqn4t1hlhjvrg1chg8pb0enfeks3pu66a8@4ax.com...
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough
clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a *****
Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a
clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify
her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that
gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.
The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a
long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about
political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for
leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and
this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of
bull that only the truth can provide relief.
If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up
and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure
junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene
McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor
isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby
Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines
who liked to quote poetry.
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake
and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the
deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon
spending or raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining
elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First,
you have to win elections.") Can't you even read the damn polls?
Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes,
"There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is
between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist
left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the
party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."
This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi,
emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into
calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk
like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe
Lieberman.
Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at
this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they
continue to dump on us daily.
You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican
machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you
right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in
Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political
reform, I give up on them entirely.
Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm
serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will
work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied
this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these
years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules
changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let
Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.
Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card
just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the
patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds
on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not,
however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone
impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a
snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That,
or you could just ***** on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or
eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the
Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad
news."
Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as
Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight,
we'll find someone who can.
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ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Hillary is just as bad as any Republican Christian crimnial.
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George W. Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
"Maybe the building knew too much? <rofl!>" - FLR, WTC #7
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ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Hillary is just as bad as any Republican Christian crimnial.
No.
She's not.
Get that thought out of your mind.
I'm no fan of Hillary, but every Republican and *any* Republican is worse
than the worst Democrat.
The "they're just as bad" mentality fueled Ralph Nader's contribution to the
Bush coup d'etat.
The "they're all the same" mindset works to the Republicans' advantage;
every Republican in America prays for blizzards on Election Day because the
lower the turnout, the greater the chance for Republicans to win.
Other than feeding from the pork barrel, Republicans have utter contempt for
government. Shrub's "Browie" appointments reveal his belief that the
federal treasury is just a trough for his corporate welfare pigs to slop in.
Democrats respect government services and expect them to work. FEMA worked
when Clinton was in office. Bosnia was stabilized without one American
combat casualty. 9/11 happened only after Osama bin Laden was confident
George WMD Bush was running things....into the ground...Ground Zero.
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21 Jan 2006 03:39:27 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Hillary is just as bad as any Republican Christian crimnial.
No.
She's not.
Get that thought out of your mind.
I'm no fan of Hillary, but every Republican and *any* Republican is worse
than the worst Democrat.
The "they're just as bad" mentality fueled Ralph Nader's contribution to
the
Bush coup d'etat.
The "they're all the same" mindset works to the Republicans' advantage;
every Republican in America prays for blizzards on Election Day because
the
lower the turnout, the greater the chance for Republicans to win.
Other than feeding from the pork barrel, Republicans have utter contempt
for
government. Shrub's "Browie" appointments reveal his belief that the
federal treasury is just a trough for his corporate welfare pigs to slop
in.
Democrats respect government services and expect them to work. FEMA
worked
when Clinton was in office. Bosnia was stabilized without one American
combat casualty. 9/11 happened only after Osama bin Laden was confident
George WMD Bush was running things....into the ground...Ground Zero.
Freddie the Troll just doesn't get it. You hit the nail right on the head.
There *is* a difference. Pretending otherwise is what has gotten us Bush.
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Hillary is just as bad as any Republican Christian crimnial.
No. She's not. Get that thought out of your mind.
Yes. She is. She supports this fascist regime's crimes against humanity
and has yet to state a denouncement of this regime's atrocities or its
treason. She's aligned with the Republican crooks simply for not speaking
out against them.
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George W. Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
"Maybe the building knew too much? <rofl!>" - FLR, WTC #7
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monkeyhawk wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
ajax <aj@x.com> wrote:
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
Hillary is just as bad as any Republican Christian crimnial.
No.
She's not.
Get that thought out of your mind.
I'm no fan of Hillary, but every Republican and *any* Republican is worse
than the worst Democrat.
Get a grip. As a Republican, Jim Jeffords stood fast with thousands of
American workers who were fighting pension thefts. I don't think
there's any doubt Lincoln Chaffee is preferable to Joe Lieberman. If
you don't draw the line by the time you get to Hillary's warmongering,
where do you draw the line, Lieberman? Zell Miller? As far as I know
he's still officially a Democrat.
It's time people started putting the good of their country ahead of
their political party, or their perceived ability to win an election.
The "they're just as bad" mentality fueled Ralph Nader's contribution to the
Bush coup d'etat.
Nader didn't cause the Bush coup. Even Gore refuses to blame Nader. If
the Democratic leaders had not abandoned their natural constituencies,
Nader never would have run. The Democrats had a golden opportunity
after 1992 to pick up disaffected Perot supporters, but Clinton
abandoned them with his support of NAFTA. By pursuing voters who were
going to support Republicans anyway, no matter what, the Democrats
alienated their own base.
The "they're all the same" mindset works to the Republicans' advantage;
every Republican in America prays for blizzards on Election Day because the
lower the turnout, the greater the chance for Republicans to win.
Other than feeding from the pork barrel, Republicans have utter contempt for
government. Shrub's "Browie" appointments reveal his belief that the
federal treasury is just a trough for his corporate welfare pigs to slop in.
Democrats respect government services and expect them to work. FEMA worked
when Clinton was in office. Bosnia was stabilized without one American
combat casualty. 9/11 happened only after Osama bin Laden was confident
George WMD Bush was running things....into the ground...Ground Zero.
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<pre wrap="">AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
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No.
She's not.
Get that thought out of your mind.
I'm no fan of Hillary, but every Republican and *any* Republican is worse
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Get a grip. As a Republican, Jim Jeffords stood fast with thousands of
American workers who were fighting pension thefts. I don't think
there's any doubt Lincoln Chaffee is preferable to Joe Lieberman. If
you don't draw the line by the time you get to Hillary's warmongering,
where do you draw the line, Lieberman? Zell Miller? As far as I know
he's still officially a Democrat.<br>
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It's time people started putting the good of their country ahead of
their political party, or their perceived ability to win an election.<br>
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The "they're just as bad" mentality fueled Ralph Nader's contribution to the
Bush coup d'etat.</pre>
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Nader didn't cause the Bush coup. Even Gore refuses to blame Nader.
If the Democratic leaders had not abandoned their natural
constituencies, Nader never would have run. The Democrats had a golden
opportunity after 1992 to pick up disaffected Perot supporters, but
Clinton abandoned them with his support of NAFTA. By pursuing voters
who were going to support Republicans anyway, no matter what, the
Democrats alienated their own base.<br>
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The "they're all the same" mindset works to the Republicans' advantage;
every Republican in America prays for blizzards on Election Day because the
lower the turnout, the greater the chance for Republicans to win.
Other than feeding from the pork barrel, Republicans have utter contempt for
government. Shrub's "Browie" appointments reveal his belief that the
federal treasury is just a trough for his corporate welfare pigs to slop in.
Democrats respect government services and expect them to work. FEMA worked
when Clinton was in office. Bosnia was stabilized without one American
combat casualty. 9/11 happened only after Osama bin Laden was confident
George WMD Bush was running things....into the ground...Ground Zero.
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22 Jan 2006 09:30:37 AM |
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"Bill Rood" <wjrood@magnaspeed.net> wrote in message
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monkeyhawk wrote:
I'm no fan of Hillary, but every Republican and *any* Republican is worse
than the worst Democrat.
Get a grip. As a Republican, Jim Jeffords stood fast with thousands of
American workers who were fighting pension thefts. I don't think there's
any doubt >Lincoln Chaffee is preferable to Joe Lieberman. If you don't
draw the line by the time you get to Hillary's warmongering, where do you
draw the line, >Lieberman? Zell Miller? As far as I know he's still
officially a Democrat.
It's time people started putting the good of their country ahead of their
political party, or their perceived ability to win an election.
Yes, but...
In this year's Congressional election it is important to vote out as many
Republicans as possible. Chaffee is preferable to Lieberman but Chafee will
vote to keep Bill Frist as Majority Leader while Lieberman will vote for
Harry Reid. And who *runs* the House and Senate is of vital importance.
Personally I'd like to see Lieberman knocked out in the primary and Chafee
change his party registration, but I don't think either is likely to happen.
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21 Jan 2006 03:11:43 PM |
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From Fred Rice:
Hillary is just as bad as any Republican Christian crimnial. <<
Get a grip.
The Clintons are winners.
Most of the rest of the Democratic Party (including those
stalwarts...Dean, Pelosi, etc. listed by Ivins as principled liberals)
are whiners.
I've got a great idea for all you purists out there...why not get
behind Ralph Nader, if you want a principled liberal and a guaranteed
loser. Or Dennis Kucinich.
You notice who voted along with Scalia and Thomas in the 3 - 6 SCOTUS
minority on the Aschroft Prosecute-the-Doctors case in Oregon? Hint:
It wasn't Ginsberg. You still think that the centrist Clintons are bad?
This is the grave of Mike O'Day
Who died maintaining his right of way.
His mind was clear.
His will was strong.
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.
- Larry W
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21 Jan 2006 03:17:05 PM |
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P.S. The Clintons are the greatest political strategists and most
gifted politicians in my lifetime.
How do you convince a timid middle America that you aren't some scary
French-stye socialist and terrorist appeaser?
You get the liberals to attack you. Loudly.
Brilliant.
Hillary is laughing all the way to the White House.
- Larry W
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21 Jan 2006 12:43:14 PM |
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ajax wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
This is why I love Molly Ivins
--
-Fred
Music: http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/freeloosedirt/
photos: http://flickr.com/photos/44356659@N00/
"All I know is I'm training hard to get back on top.
This is who I am." -Kobe
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21 Jan 2006 02:14:14 PM |
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"Fred" <faux.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ajax wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
This is why I love Molly Ivins
I agree.
Her pandering is pathetic. Her anti-flag burning law was the last nail in
her coffin. It did it for me. That is legit expression. (We can always print
more.) B-bye Hillary. It's what happens when you try to pander and not stand
on your own two feet.
Now may I add that Rightards would clamor to their heroes no matter what
happens? Lemmings all...
....and ***** the DLC.
--
-Fred
Music: http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/freeloosedirt/
photos: http://flickr.com/photos/44356659@N00/
"All I know is I'm training hard to get back on top.
This is who I am." -Kobe
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21 Jan 2006 08:50:26 PM |
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"The Pretzel" <salted@sourdough.net> wrote in message
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"Fred" <faux.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ajax wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
This is why I love Molly Ivins
I agree.
Her pandering is pathetic. Her anti-flag burning law was the last nail in
her coffin. It did it for me. That is legit expression. (We can always
print
more.) B-bye Hillary. It's what happens when you try to pander and not
stand
on your own two feet.
Now may I add that Rightards would clamor to their heroes no matter what
happens? Lemmings all...
She consistently polls near the bottom at D.U. Lacking a real opposition
party, we need a Democrat who won't conduct business as usual. Hillary,
Kerry, Biden, and (shudder) Lieberman: ***** the lot of them.
...and ***** the DLC.
--
-Fred
Music: http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/freeloosedirt/
photos: http://flickr.com/photos/44356659@N00/
"All I know is I'm training hard to get back on top.
This is who I am." -Kobe
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22 Jan 2006 12:33:56 PM |
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"The Pretzel" <salted@sourdough.net> wrote:
"Fred" <faux.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ajax wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary. Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.
This is why I love Molly Ivins
I agree.
Her pandering is pathetic. Her anti-flag burning law was the last nail in
her coffin. It did it for me. That is legit expression. (We can always print
more.) B-bye Hillary. It's what happens when you try to pander and not stand
on your own two feet.
Besides, she was already President twice -- Constitutional law dictates
that she may not serve another term.
She supported this fascist regime's war. That makes her a war criminal.
---
George W. Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
"Maybe the building knew too much? <rofl!>" - FLR, WTC #7
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21 Jan 2006 04:21:04 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:14:14 GMT, "The Pretzel" <salted@sourdough.net>
wrote:
"Fred" <faux.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ajax wrote:
Not. Backing. Hillary.
Molly Ivins
AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the
Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for
president.
This is why I love Molly Ivins
I agree.
Her pandering is pathetic. Her anti-flag burning law was the last nail in
her coffin. It did it for me. That is legit expression. (We can always print
more.) B-bye Hillary. It's what happens when you try to pander and not stand
on your own two feet.
Now may I add that Rightards would clamor to their heroes no matter what
happens? Lemmings all...
...and ***** the DLC.
--
-Fred
Music: http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/freeloosedirt/
photos: http://flickr.com/photos/44356659@N00/
"All I know is I'm training hard to get back on top.
This is who I am." -Kobe
I would rather wrap myself in the Constitution while burning the flag
than wrap myself in the flag while burning the Constitution..
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21 Jan 2006 04:49:14 PM |
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<wbuck@bak.rr.com> wrote
I would rather wrap myself in the Constitution while burning the flag
than wrap myself in the flag while burning the Constitution..
Okay, I'll accept your silliness...
The fact is, "the" flag is just a symbol. There's no such thing as "the"
flag. It's a concept.
*The* Constitution isn't (despite Shrub's protestations to the contrary)
merely "a piece of paper."
It's an idea.
It's the law.
It's what America is all about.
Since 1789, warrentless searches have been decidedly un-American.
Since 1789, an unchecked executive has been constitutionally un-American.
Since 1789, a "Christian" United States government has been explicitly
un-American.
Since 2001, George WMD Bush has done everything in his power to change all
that.
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21 Jan 2006 05:13:47 PM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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<wbuck@bak.rr.com> wrote
I would rather wrap myself in the Constitution while burning the flag
than wrap myself in the flag while burning the Constitution..
Okay, I'll accept your silliness...
Read his post again "Monkeyhawk", Read it again...
I know the Rightards get us goin' ahead of ourselves but we shouldn't beat
ourselves up unless we have a DIFFERENCE of opinion.
;D
The fact is, "the" flag is just a symbol. There's no such thing as "the"
flag. It's a concept.
*The* Constitution isn't (despite Shrub's protestations to the contrary)
merely "a piece of paper."
It's an idea.
It's the law.
It's what America is all about.
Since 1789, warrentless searches have been decidedly un-American.
Since 1789, an unchecked executive has been constitutionally un-American.
Since 1789, a "Christian" United States government has been explicitly
un-American.
Since 2001, George WMD Bush has done everything in his power to change all
that.
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21 Jan 2006 08:56:38 PM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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<wbuck@bak.rr.com> wrote
I would rather wrap myself in the Constitution while burning the flag
than wrap myself in the flag while burning the Constitution..
Okay, I'll accept your silliness...
That's not silly. The poster is saying that the GOP wraps itself in the flag
while burning the Constitution where with real patriots, it's vice versa.
I think, as soundbytes go, it's a good one.
The fact is, "the" flag is just a symbol. There's no such thing as "the"
flag. It's a concept.
*The* Constitution isn't (despite Shrub's protestations to the contrary)
merely "a piece of paper."
It's an idea.
It's the law.
It's what America is all about.
Since 1789, warrentless searches have been decidedly un-American.
Since 1789, an unchecked executive has been constitutionally un-American.
Since 1789, a "Christian" United States government has been explicitly
un-American.
Since 2001, George WMD Bush has done everything in his power to change all
that.
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24 Jan 2006 11:19:44 AM |
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Far too many people are missing the major points here. Ivins pointed
out
that the majority of the American people would rather see our nation
moving in much saner directions (see 1-6 below); and that none of the
known major potential presidential contenders including Hilary - have
had the good sense to stand against to the Bush regime, on these major
issues - where they'd find major support if they did.
1) US military out of Iraq
2) health care for all
3) raising the minimum wage
4) repealing Bush's tax cuts for the rich
5) getting serious about protecting the environment (for a change)
6) limiting the greed of the oil corporations
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The truth about what's going on in the world - the backwards direction
that the bastards in the Bush regime are taking us, is stranger than
fiction. As far as the Muslim world is probably concerned, the Bush
regime is behaving like you'd expect some third rate b grade
characters in a b grade horror movie to act. Over 300 billion dollars
of American taxpayer's money has been dipped in the blood of innocent
people, and the Bushies have no regrets or remorse. So f'd up are
they, that they act like they think that the world should thank them.
B-grade horror. Negative 5 stars.
from M.Ivin's article:
The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and
that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit
not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or
raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
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continues...
see the whole thing here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0120-30.htm
Free at last, free at last. Thank G.A.
WeGona BeFree
at last - from warmongers and their wars
:-D
p.s. I don't think that any of the Dems are "filled with hatred for
Bush" as has been suggested. It's all the needless misery that he has
been instrumental in creating that is hated.
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| Title: Re: Not. Backing. Hillary. - Molly Ivins |
24 Jan 2006 12:13:22 PM |
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wrote:
Far too many people are missing the major points here. Ivins pointed
out
that the majority of the American people would rather see our nation
moving in much saner directions (see 1-6 below); and that none of the
known major potential presidential contenders including Hilary - have
had the good sense to stand against to the Bush regime, on these major
issues - where they'd find major support if they did.
1) US military out of Iraq
2) health care for all
3) raising the minimum wage
4) repealing Bush's tax cuts for the rich
5) getting serious about protecting the environment (for a change)
6) limiting the greed of the oil corporations
Guess what, you missed two of the most important issues, immigration and
boarder security. Without initiatives which are in compliance these two
issues being demanded by a huge majority of the U.S. population no
Democrate will overcome a republican incumbent. And a failure to follow up
on said issue will lead to a very short career in Congress.
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The truth about what's going on in the world - the backwards direction
that the bastards in the Bush regime are taking us, is stranger than
fiction. As far as the Muslim world is probably concerned, the Bush
regime is behaving like you'd expect some third rate b grade
characters in a b grade horror movie to act. Over 300 billion dollars
of American taxpayer's money has been dipped in the blood of innocent
people, and the Bushies have no regrets or remorse. So f'd up are
they, that they act like they think that the world should thank them.
B-grade horror. Negative 5 stars.
from M.Ivin's article:
The majority of
the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and
that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American
people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes
to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor
raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60
percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go
only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit
not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or
raising taxes.
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to
protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil
companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits
tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
...
continues...
see the whole thing here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0120-30.htm
Free at last, free at last. Thank G.A.
WeGona BeFree
at last - from warmongers and their wars
:-D
p.s. I don't think that any of the Dems are "filled with hatred for
Bush" as has been suggested. It's all the needless misery that he has
been instrumental in creating that is hated.
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