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"dave" |
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11 Apr 2005 12:17:49 AM |
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"not like there's a shortage of people" |
Honesty from the right wing - "Let 'em die." says Bill.
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"Bill Spanger" <k7kkg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:46:49 -0400, "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
It costs us all. What part of the word "all" don't you understand.
It only costs "us all" if the system allows people to get healthcare that
they can't pay for, the heart of the matter is that some of you want to give
healthcare away using other people's money. If someone shows up at the
hospital and can't prove that they are capable of paying for the services
they want they should be shown the door.
I have no right to demand that you provide for my care just as you lack the
right to demand that I pay for your care for you. If you can't pay for it
you shouldn't be getting it.
By pay for, I mean that the person wanting service has no insurance coverage
or does not have sufficient credit rating to pay installments, or lacks the
cash to pay for what they want.
Like anything else, healthcare must be paid for by the person getting the
services.
Think of it as Darwinism in action, it's not like there's a shortage of
people on earth and the USA specifically.
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| User: "richard schumacher" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 11:21:05 PM |
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In article <htSdnc56BL0ll8ffRVn-iA@gbronline.com>,
"dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
Honesty from the right wing - "Let 'em die." says Bill.
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"Bill Spanger" <k7kkg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ratj51p4dc5hb9543uuln8bqpm9sup0g7k@4ax.com...
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:46:49 -0400, "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
It costs us all. What part of the word "all" don't you understand.
It only costs "us all" if the system allows people to get healthcare that
they can't pay for, the heart of the matter is that some of you want to give
healthcare away using other people's money. If someone shows up at the
hospital and can't prove that they are capable of paying for the services
they want they should be shown the door.
I have no right to demand that you provide for my care just as you lack the
right to demand that I pay for your care for you. If you can't pay for it
you shouldn't be getting it.
By pay for, I mean that the person wanting service has no insurance coverage
or does not have sufficient credit rating to pay installments, or lacks the
cash to pay for what they want.
Like anything else, healthcare must be paid for by the person getting the
services.
Think of it as Darwinism in action, it's not like there's a shortage of
people on earth and the USA specifically.
Supply side economics in it's purest form. Ronald Reagan would be
proud.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 01:42:02 AM |
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dave wrote:
Like anything else, healthcare must be paid for by the person getting
the
services.
Think of it as Darwinism in action, it's not like there's a shortage
of
people on earth and the USA specifically.
While there is a need to help people think of the economics of their
actions
it needn't be quite that harsh.
If you wich a darwinian society then don't expect a civil society in
any
form. Variation will take many violent forms.
One judges a society by the way it cares for its weak.
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| User: "Socialists are Miserable Thieves" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
13 May 2005 09:58:52 PM |
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On 10 Apr 2005 23:42:02 -0700, wrote:
One judges a society by the way it cares for its weak.
And Government-sponsored theft is civilized, right?
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"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
13 May 2005 10:15:38 PM |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 02:58:52 GMT, Socialists are Miserable Thieves
<root@localhost.> wrote:
On 10 Apr 2005 23:42:02 -0700, wrote:
One judges a society by the way it cares for its weak.
And Government-sponsored theft is civilized, right?
Gawd another libertoonian trying to find a reason for freeloading.
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"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular."
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
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| User: "entropy" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
13 May 2005 10:36:38 PM |
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root@localhost. wrote...
On 10 Apr 2005 23:42:02 -0700, wrote:
One judges a society by the way it cares for its weak.
And Government-sponsored theft is civilized, right?
By definition.
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| User: "dave" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 10:54:13 AM |
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You cut that - I reposted a response that I got - NOT my view. Please look
back at the original.
<forbisgaryg@msn.com> wrote in message
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dave wrote:
Like anything else, healthcare must be paid for by the person getting
the
services.
Think of it as Darwinism in action, it's not like there's a shortage
of
people on earth and the USA specifically.
While there is a need to help people think of the economics of their
actions
it needn't be quite that harsh.
If you wich a darwinian society then don't expect a civil society in
any
form. Variation will take many violent forms.
One judges a society by the way it cares for its weak.
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 03:35:36 PM |
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Be that as it may, if we have government healthcare, then we have
government employees deciding when to pull the plug, and what
therapies are effective.
Not that I expect reason to prevail, but itd make sense for all
emergency rooms to take in victims and treat them before waiting
for the funding documentation. But beyond that, soon as your
condition is stabilized enough to move, whether you get chemo or
expensive therapy, or only hospice- depends on what kind of
*non*governmental insurance you have.
Just as a matter of national security, we need convenient places
for ill people to go to in case of a biological WMD to be diagnosed
so that they are not running around giving the new bug to you or
your own kin. If a homeless drunk has typhoid, you dont any your
local police coming down with it just for picking him up off the
streets.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 08:34:17 PM |
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dave wrote:
You cut that - I reposted a response that I got - NOT my view. Please
look
back at the original.
Sorry. I didn't notice that the quoted text in your article was yours
and the unquoted text was someone else's reply.
To Day Brown,
While we don't want the state making life and death decisions,
neither do we want the pure economics of the haves and the have
nots making such decisions either. I think we should want equivalent
economic pain in such decisions, that is the have nots should feel
the economic pain of their health care choices even as they are
subsidized
by the haves experiencing equivalent economic pain of their health care
choices. Now this won't be a reality because the haves will never have
to choose between eating and getting a test.
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| User: "dave" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 09:34:01 PM |
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<forbisgaryg@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1113269657.331241.96200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
dave wrote:
You cut that - I reposted a response that I got - NOT my view. Please
look
back at the original.
Sorry. I didn't notice that the quoted text in your article was yours
and the unquoted text was someone else's reply.
To Day Brown,
While we don't want the state making life and death decisions,
neither do we want the pure economics of the haves and the have
nots making such decisions either. I think we should want equivalent
economic pain in such decisions, that is the have nots should feel
the economic pain of their health care choices even as they are
subsidized
by the haves experiencing equivalent economic pain of their health care
choices. Now this won't be a reality because the haves will never have
to choose between eating and getting a test.
A democratic government IS there to protect the society, which means the
Have-nots, as the Haves need no help. Even Dubya said - government is there
to protect the weak. Yet his actions belie his words.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 10:51:47 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:34:01 -0400, "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
A democratic government IS there to protect the society, which means the
Have-nots, as the Haves need no help. Even Dubya said - government is there
to protect the weak. Yet his actions belie his words.
He believes that's its purpose, and why he's trying to kill it.
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| User: "John Graeme" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 10:05:11 PM |
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dave wrote:
A democratic government IS there to protect the society, which means
the
Have-nots, as the Haves need no help. Even Dubya said - government is
there
to protect the weak. Yet his actions belie his words.
Tell that to Amadou Diallo, Mario Paz, William J. Whitfield, Anibal
Carrasquillo, or the thousands of other innocent people--generally the
poor, weak, and minorities--killed or imprisoned for years by our
wonderful democratic government. Government protects its own interests.
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| User: "dave" |
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| Title: Re: "not like there's a shortage of people" |
11 Apr 2005 10:55:46 PM |
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"John Graeme" <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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dave wrote:
A democratic government IS there to protect the society, which means
the
Have-nots, as the Haves need no help. Even Dubya said - government is
there
to protect the weak. Yet his actions belie his words.
Tell that to Amadou Diallo, Mario Paz, William J. Whitfield, Anibal
Carrasquillo, or the thousands of other innocent people--generally the
poor, weak, and minorities--killed or imprisoned for years by our
wonderful democratic government. Government protects its own interests.
Because too few of us have been vigilant. The only good possibility from the
Bush "legacy" will be that more Americans will realize how easily we forget
essential rights. We have slid into an "easy" materialism, running the
"productivity" treadmill for the past few decades. Maybe we will finally
wake up to our potential.
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