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18 Apr 2006 06:25:18 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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19 Apr 2006 01:41:04 AM |
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In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
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19 Apr 2006 06:56:27 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead. As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Unless they can put THE murder wepon in his hand, and him in the room, with a
good reason to kill, his demeanor won't do it for the State. All the rest, the
allegations of group sex and whatnot, and him being weird, while it won't help
him, I don't think it will hurt him all that much. Jesus, it is a known fact
that the Church was more than happy to permit hundreds of priests to sodomize
thousands of schoolkids--you think a little groupsex between consenting adults
is going to pass off as a motive for murder?
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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| Title: Re: OHIO PRIEST FACES TRIAL IN NUN'S SLAYING |
20 Apr 2006 10:54:48 AM |
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In article <es8c4254qdo9ofapu16mobh4uki3i9ia7r@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead.
I'm sure they will try to make the jury confused as to what the real
story is.
As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Um, it was a gift, and from what I have been told by his cousins, it is
a one of a kind item, it was made by hand at a local jeweler's back
whenever he took his final vows. He lied, and admitted lying during the
original investigation about all kinds of stuff. If the Chief of Police,
the sheriff, all the detectives, and the DA, hadn't been Catholic back
then, he would probably have gone on trial back in 81.
Unless they can put THE murder wepon in his hand, and him in the room, with a
good reason to kill, his demeanor won't do it for the State. All the rest, the
allegations of group sex and whatnot, and him being weird, while it won't help
him, I don't think it will hurt him all that much. Jesus, it is a known fact
that the Church was more than happy to permit hundreds of priests to sodomize
thousands of schoolkids--you think a little groupsex between consenting adults
is going to pass off as a motive for murder?
Not s motive, but one more oz of weight to tip the scales against him,
and not going to help at all if he testifies. I kind of doubt he will,
his lawyer, who is the guy to go to locally when facing big time felony
charges isn't much for letting a client get up on the stand and possibly
sink himself.
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
The way the prosecutors and his attorney got into it yesterday, it
should be good..
BDK
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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20 Apr 2006 09:16:26 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:48 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
The way the prosecutors and his attorney got into it yesterday, it
should be good..
Actually, it was the prosecutor that ***** the judge.
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From
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060419/NEWS02/304190012&SearchID=73242177405562
One woman said she feels the Catholic Church "has gotten off too easy" in the
crisis involving clerical sexual abuse of children, but that she could be
impartial because this is a murder case, not a molestation case.
When Father Robinson's defense attorneys asked for her to be dismissed, Lucas
County Common Pleas Judge Thomas Osowik agreed and ordered her removed. That
sparked a brief, but heated exchange with assistant Lucas County prosecutor
Dean Mandros.
Mr. Mandros cited the woman's statements that she could be objective in
reviewing the facts of the case, but the judge slammed his hand on the bench
and said, "I've had it! That's my ruling."
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I'd say the prosecutor is off to a bad start. He has already ***** the
judge in front of the jurors, and that is never good. The defense attorney is
supposed to be a hired gun, and the prosecutor is supposed to be cool and
neutral. When the prosecutor starts looking like he is at odds with the judge,
that is going to make the jury wonder if the whole thing isn't biased by some
political agenda.
I mean, the judge is now looking like he wants a fair and impartial jury, and
the prosector wants someone on who feels priests have gotten away with too much
already.
By the way, that page had some photos of the priest. Unless he REALLY acts like
a psycho, there is no way they will get a conviction. He looks like a kindly
old priest. Admittedly, it was 20 years ago, but the jurors are going to see a
kindly man who has dedicated his life to helping others every day they are
sitting there.
For four weeks.
I am going to Tivo the thing on Court TV tomorrow and see how the priest does.
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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22 Apr 2006 12:58:21 PM |
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In article <i4fg42lrem8r6o410uflph50btjfo06mo9@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:48 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
The way the prosecutors and his attorney got into it yesterday, it
should be good..
Actually, it was the prosecutor that ***** the judge.
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From
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060419/NEWS02/304190012&SearchID=73242177405562
One woman said she feels the Catholic Church "has gotten off too easy" in the
crisis involving clerical sexual abuse of children, but that she could be
impartial because this is a murder case, not a molestation case.
When Father Robinson's defense attorneys asked for her to be dismissed, Lucas
County Common Pleas Judge Thomas Osowik agreed and ordered her removed. That
sparked a brief, but heated exchange with assistant Lucas County prosecutor
Dean Mandros.
Mr. Mandros cited the woman's statements that she could be objective in
reviewing the facts of the case, but the judge slammed his hand on the bench
and said, "I've had it! That's my ruling."
They both got chewed out by the judge, they mostly played the Mandros
getting yelled at clip, but there's another one where he gets nasty at
Konop, and tells him to "Stop it!!" ( I don't remember what he said or
did to get chewed out for.
Both of these guys have done many cases in front of this judge, and they
all get along ok outside the courtroom.
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I'd say the prosecutor is off to a bad start. He has already ***** the
judge in front of the jurors, and that is never good. The defense attorney is
supposed to be a hired gun, and the prosecutor is supposed to be cool and
neutral. When the prosecutor starts looking like he is at odds with the judge,
that is going to make the jury wonder if the whole thing isn't biased by some
political agenda.
I mean, the judge is now looking like he wants a fair and impartial jury, and
the prosector wants someone on who feels priests have gotten away with too much
already.
By the way, that page had some photos of the priest. Unless he REALLY acts like
a psycho, there is no way they will get a conviction. He looks like a kindly
old priest. Admittedly, it was 20 years ago, but the jurors are going to see a
kindly man who has dedicated his life to helping others every day they are
sitting there.
For four weeks.
We'll see..should be good
I am going to Tivo the thing on Court TV tomorrow and see how the priest does.
I haven't got the Tivo yet, one of these days..I'm saving/waiting for a
37" or 40" TV pretty soon, and need the cash..
BDK
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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22 Apr 2006 04:26:25 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:58:21 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <i4fg42lrem8r6o410uflph50btjfo06mo9@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:48 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
The way the prosecutors and his attorney got into it yesterday, it
should be good..
Actually, it was the prosecutor that ***** the judge.
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From
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060419/NEWS02/304190012&SearchID=73242177405562
One woman said she feels the Catholic Church "has gotten off too easy" in the
crisis involving clerical sexual abuse of children, but that she could be
impartial because this is a murder case, not a molestation case.
When Father Robinson's defense attorneys asked for her to be dismissed, Lucas
County Common Pleas Judge Thomas Osowik agreed and ordered her removed. That
sparked a brief, but heated exchange with assistant Lucas County prosecutor
Dean Mandros.
Mr. Mandros cited the woman's statements that she could be objective in
reviewing the facts of the case, but the judge slammed his hand on the bench
and said, "I've had it! That's my ruling."
They both got chewed out by the judge, they mostly played the Mandros
getting yelled at clip, but there's another one where he gets nasty at
Konop, and tells him to "Stop it!!" ( I don't remember what he said or
did to get chewed out for.
Both of these guys have done many cases in front of this judge, and they
all get along ok outside the courtroom.
Probably. In high profile, and especially murder cases, the Court expects there
to be some grandstanding. Sounds like the judge decided to set a low limit for
it tho. The worst part of the Simpson trial (aside from the verdict) was both
the State and Defense pulling out their collective penises and slapping them in
Ito's face while he sat there pleading with them to stop.
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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20 Apr 2006 08:26:13 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:48 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <es8c4254qdo9ofapu16mobh4uki3i9ia7r@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead.
I'm sure they will try to make the jury confused as to what the real
story is.
And I am sure the State's witness would not be getting his fat check if he
didn't say exactly what the State wanted.
As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Um, it was a gift, and from what I have been told by his cousins, it is
a one of a kind item, it was made by hand at a local jeweler's back
whenever he took his final vows.
It is a frigging letter opener. It has a blade on one end and a handle on the
other. My point was that unless the delicate inscription with his name on it
was transmitted via blood into the cloth in question, it's overall shape is
hardly unique enough to leave a unique blood pattern into cloth. You may have a
blood splotch that is consistent with that particular letter opener, but it is
difficult to believe you and I could not go into a local store and buy boxes of
different letter openers that would leave the same splotch pattern.
I'm willing to bet we could go to a local Target and buy kitchen knives that
would leave the same pattern.
He lied, and admitted lying during the
original investigation about all kinds of stuff. If the Chief of Police,
the sheriff, all the detectives, and the DA, hadn't been Catholic back
then, he would probably have gone on trial back in 81.
And maybe he would have been convicted. And maybe not. I do know the jury is
less likely to convict a murder 20 years later when the big evidence surprise
is that the blood pattern left behind is consistent with a small bladed
instrument he owned at the time.
Unless they can put THE murder wepon in his hand, and him in the room, with a
good reason to kill, his demeanor won't do it for the State. All the rest, the
allegations of group sex and whatnot, and him being weird, while it won't help
him, I don't think it will hurt him all that much. Jesus, it is a known fact
that the Church was more than happy to permit hundreds of priests to sodomize
thousands of schoolkids--you think a little groupsex between consenting adults
is going to pass off as a motive for murder?
Not s motive, but one more oz of weight to tip the scales against him,
and not going to help at all if he testifies. I kind of doubt he will,
his lawyer, who is the guy to go to locally when facing big time felony
charges isn't much for letting a client get up on the stand and possibly
sink himself.
Sounds like smart defense counsel. Prosecutors are just as ruthless when it
comes to twisting words as defense attorneys are. A good defense attorney can
make the most honest cop look like he is hiding something, and a good
prosecutor can twist your testimony around to make it look like you were hiding
something.
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
All the more reason to keep him off the stand.
The way the prosecutors and his attorney got into it yesterday, it
should be good..
Really? What happened? This sounds juicy!
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
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In article <kbcg42dvej1altif0lvhkepka9e2bajanf@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:48 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <es8c4254qdo9ofapu16mobh4uki3i9ia7r@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead.
I'm sure they will try to make the jury confused as to what the real
story is.
And I am sure the State's witness would not be getting his fat check if he
didn't say exactly what the State wanted.
As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Um, it was a gift, and from what I have been told by his cousins, it is
a one of a kind item, it was made by hand at a local jeweler's back
whenever he took his final vows.
It is a frigging letter opener. It has a blade on one end and a handle on the
other. My point was that unless the delicate inscription with his name on it
was transmitted via blood into the cloth in question, it's overall shape is
hardly unique enough to leave a unique blood pattern into cloth. You may have a
blood splotch that is consistent with that particular letter opener, but it is
difficult to believe you and I could not go into a local store and buy boxes of
different letter openers that would leave the same splotch pattern.
I'm willing to bet we could go to a local Target and buy kitchen knives that
would leave the same pattern.
You aren't getting it, it's the HANDLE part that is a one only item. The
rest of it's just a letter opener, sure, but the handle might as well
have his name on it, because there is only ONE. The handle is supposed
to be printed, in blood, on whatever she had on her. How they supposedly
"missed" it 25 years ago? I don't think they missed it at all, they just
ignored it.on purpose.
He lied, and admitted lying during the
original investigation about all kinds of stuff. If the Chief of Police,
the sheriff, all the detectives, and the DA, hadn't been Catholic back
then, he would probably have gone on trial back in 81.
And maybe he would have been convicted. And maybe not. I do know the jury is
less likely to convict a murder 20 years later when the big evidence surprise
is that the blood pattern left behind is consistent with a small bladed
instrument he owned at the time.
That's the one big plus in his column, time.
Unless they can put THE murder wepon in his hand, and him in the room, with a
good reason to kill, his demeanor won't do it for the State. All the rest, the
allegations of group sex and whatnot, and him being weird, while it won't help
him, I don't think it will hurt him all that much. Jesus, it is a known fact
that the Church was more than happy to permit hundreds of priests to sodomize
thousands of schoolkids--you think a little groupsex between consenting adults
is going to pass off as a motive for murder?
Not s motive, but one more oz of weight to tip the scales against him,
and not going to help at all if he testifies. I kind of doubt he will,
his lawyer, who is the guy to go to locally when facing big time felony
charges isn't much for letting a client get up on the stand and possibly
sink himself.
Sounds like smart defense counsel. Prosecutors are just as ruthless when it
comes to twisting words as defense attorneys are. A good defense attorney can
make the most honest cop look like he is hiding something, and a good
prosecutor can twist your testimony around to make it look like you were hiding
something.
Sometimes though, it can save you, and sometimes, it's what the jury
needs to keep you out of jail. I've seen horrible witnesses, both on TV
and in person (On a jury, I was 1st alternate), and great ones too. They
can make a huge difference.
On the trial I was on the jury for, the horrible witness was the
arresting officer. It was a DUI case, and he lied, and all of us who
were on that jury knew he lied (He said he wasn't watching the bar the
defendant came out of, but we have all seen him sitting in the car lot
across the street dozens of times, doing the exact thing he denied
doing) and no matter how much the prosecutor tried and tried to get him
to "unlie", he kept 100% to his story. She was up there, practically
telling him, "Say something else!", but he wouldn't.
Then the defense lawyer gets up and asks him another question that nails
shut any chance of him changing his story. The prosecutor just sat there
and twisted her hair. It couldn't have happened (the cop following the
suspect) unless he was watching and cut across the car lot to catch him
on the other street, not like he said he was doing, just "paroling" the
one store lot, and heading to another.
I live 10 minutes from the courthouse, and I was beaten home by a
friend's (he was on the jury) phone call to tell me they found him NG.
Funny thing was, the accused calls two idiots I went to school with as
"character witnesses", and if the cop hadn't lied, I would have had a
hard time not finding him guilty. One of those two morons later hired a
pair of "hit men" to kill his dad and stepmom. They screwed up and one
of them got shot by his dad instead..
He's still in the joint for that circus.
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
All the more reason to keep him off the stand.
I saw him at a party once, and after a funeral and he was exactly the
same, kind of bored and sleepy looking, and when he was alert, he seemed
to be smelling something bad..
The way the prosecutors and his attorney got into it yesterday, it
should be good..
Really? What happened? This sounds juicy!
There was a lot of arguing about some of the questions asked on each
side. The Judge yelled at Robinson's lawyer when he wouldn't stop
arguing about it, and then his lawyer yelled something when the
prosecutor asked another question he didn't like.
Robinson had his eyes closed during the first part, then opened them up
and rolled them and got his "stinks" look for the rest of the yelling.
That face he makes is not a good thing even his cousins think he needs
to try to look awake, if not interested..
BDK
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:10:18 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <kbcg42dvej1altif0lvhkepka9e2bajanf@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:48 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <es8c4254qdo9ofapu16mobh4uki3i9ia7r@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead.
I'm sure they will try to make the jury confused as to what the real
story is.
And I am sure the State's witness would not be getting his fat check if he
didn't say exactly what the State wanted.
As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Um, it was a gift, and from what I have been told by his cousins, it is
a one of a kind item, it was made by hand at a local jeweler's back
whenever he took his final vows.
It is a frigging letter opener. It has a blade on one end and a handle on the
other. My point was that unless the delicate inscription with his name on it
was transmitted via blood into the cloth in question, it's overall shape is
hardly unique enough to leave a unique blood pattern into cloth. You may have a
blood splotch that is consistent with that particular letter opener, but it is
difficult to believe you and I could not go into a local store and buy boxes of
different letter openers that would leave the same splotch pattern.
I'm willing to bet we could go to a local Target and buy kitchen knives that
would leave the same pattern.
You aren't getting it, it's the HANDLE part that is a one only item. The
rest of it's just a letter opener, sure, but the handle might as well
have his name on it, because there is only ONE.
You mean the "haft"?
Or are you referring to the part known as the "pommel"?
Those are so rare that I know the words for them.
The handle is supposed
to be printed, in blood, on whatever she had on her.
Nope. It was splotched onto the altar cloth when the killing was done.
How they supposedly
"missed" it 25 years ago? I don't think they missed it at all, they just
ignored it.on purpose.
Or looked at it and realized it was as distinctive as saying. "He was shot by a
..38 -- Tom owns a .38!!!"
He lied, and admitted lying during the
original investigation about all kinds of stuff. If the Chief of Police,
the sheriff, all the detectives, and the DA, hadn't been Catholic back
then, he would probably have gone on trial back in 81.
And maybe he would have been convicted. And maybe not. I do know the jury is
less likely to convict a murder 20 years later when the big evidence surprise
is that the blood pattern left behind is consistent with a small bladed
instrument he owned at the time.
That's the one big plus in his column, time.
That and the male DNA found in her panties (she was in her 70s) and the male
DNA found under her fingernails belong to another man. The state is arguing she
was killed by the priest alone in an angry rage. I look forward to them
explaining the fact the man she fought with wasn't the priest, and none of his
DNA was found on her, but he killed her alone.
The talking heads on Court TV summed it up -- that is going to be difficult for
the State. And, like the defense attorney pointed out, they did the DNA tests
AFTER the arrest.
The State is already looking like it knew it had weak evidence, grabbed for
more, found evidence that pretty much shot major holes in their case, and
decided to continue with the charges anyway.
If he gets on the stand and gets all standoffish (his normal demeanor),
he's going to make the jury really dislike him.
All the more reason to keep him off the stand.
I saw him at a party once, and after a funeral and he was exactly the
same, kind of bored and sleepy looking, and when he was alert, he seemed
to be smelling something bad..
People who enjoy life rarely become priests.
And nuns? *shudder* They fucking HATE men!
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
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NoSpamAllowed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead. As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Unless they can put THE murder wepon in his hand, and him in the room, with a
good reason to kill, his demeanor won't do it for the State. All the rest, the
allegations of group sex and whatnot, and him being weird, while it won't help
him, I don't think it will hurt him all that much. Jesus, it is a known fact
that the Church was more than happy to permit hundreds of priests to sodomize
thousands of schoolkids--you think a little groupsex between consenting adults
is going to pass off as a motive for murder?
How do we know that the nun consented?
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19 Apr 2006 09:45:45 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:00:23 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
NoSpamAllowed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:41:04 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <iti9425680etori8gbhmppj3n9edal79vp@4ax.com>, NoSpamAllowed
<NoSpamAllowed@> says...
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:14:37 -0700, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
wrote:
God's Creator wrote:
*Thus spake God's Creator*
*By Bill Frogameni*
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A 68-year-old Catholic priest goes on
trial on Monday in the stabbing death of a nun whose body was
found covered by an altar cloth in a chapel 26 years ago.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, charged with murder and facing a
possible sentence of life in jail if convicted, has been on
leave from his priestly duties since his arrest in 2004.
He has pleaded *Not Guilty* :-(
The devil must have gotten into him!
If he's convicted, I bet that the Pope will excommunicate him!
Actually, the evidence against him is that his letter opener he had at the time
can be used to create blood splotches that are similar to the ones found at the
scene.
Yeah, I am not making it up.
Look for a long drawn out trial, and a rapid "Not Guilty".
Of course, based upon the fact we went to war in Iraq on even less evidence,
maybe they will convict him just because...
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, the letter opener is a one of a kind item. There's only one like
it, period. There is a whole lot more, some really freaky *****. Don't be
surprised if group sex is brought up.
I know the guy, slightly, he did the marriage ceremony for his cousin, a
friend of mine, and the funeral for my friend's dad, and he is extremely
weird. The faces and stuff he's making in the courtroom won't help him
out. He looks bored half the time, and like something stinks, the rest..
I give him less than a 50% chance of walking.
BDK
I got $5.00 that says the defense will have their expert make the same blood
splotches with a Mr. Potatohead. As for it being a one-of-a-kind item, unless
it is that rare letter-opener with a lifesize Chevy ElCamino for the handle, it
is not going to be all that unique.
Unless they can put THE murder wepon in his hand, and him in the room, with a
good reason to kill, his demeanor won't do it for the State. All the rest, the
allegations of group sex and whatnot, and him being weird, while it won't help
him, I don't think it will hurt him all that much. Jesus, it is a known fact
that the Church was more than happy to permit hundreds of priests to sodomize
thousands of schoolkids--you think a little groupsex between consenting adults
is going to pass off as a motive for murder?
How do we know that the nun consented?
Because the words used were "group sex" and not "gang rape".
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to
drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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