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"Krusty" |
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12 Jan 2005 06:27:34 PM |
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OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
Krusty is a proud bushcultie, repug, reichwing nazi, republicunt, blah,
blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.
He agrees with 90% of what President Bush is doing and is especially proud
of the War on Terror. Yeee-Hawww!!!
But this ***** with Bush trying to legalize 8-10 million goat rustling spics
just PISSES KRUSTY OFF!! (And don't give Him no lip about Kerry being any
better. Bush and Kerry are *both* in the hip pocket of special interest
groups.) 85% of Americans want our southern border locked down. A slightly
smaller percentage want the turd skinned, illegal chili pickers that are
already here to be deported. You can't get Americans to agree, by an 85%
ratio, that the fucking sun comes up in the EAST!! Or that Liberace was
QUEER!
I understand that Bush cut his political teeth in Texas where you've got to
kiss latrino *****. And that his retarded brother Jeb is married to a donkey
sucking spic *****. But 85% of voters want to stop the flood of illegal
immigration.
Talk about an issue that transcends parties! Here is an opportunity for
Americans to get some control of our country back from the cynical duopoly
of the Republican and Democratic parties.
President vows to push immigration proposal
http://snipurl.com/bywb
Republican to Lead Immigration Revolt Against Bush
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=7308493
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 11:40:56 PM |
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I agree
This is the biggest problem facing the country right now and both
parties have completely sold us out. Take a look at the selling out of
the rights of California voters on numerous occasions to get a full
picture of what is in store for the nation as a whole in short order if
we don't retake control of our own destiny.
I am not a racist like you, but this mass of uneducated, unskilled
workers flooding our system comes at exactly the same time that our
economical need for the unskilled laborer is diminishing at its most
rapid pace. This would be a problem even if this flood was of
uneducated, unskilled Swedes.
It is the single greatest cause of our Social Security and Medicare
insolvency, the poor quality of our schools, gangs, wage reductions for
American workers and the erosion of the Anglo-European value system
that has been the single greatest culturally uniting aspect of this
nation as a society. We need to change the Constitution (something I
don't take lightly) regarding the rights of children of illegal alliens
as American citizens and we need to give serious consideration to the
use of Norplant on any woman who comes into this country of a migrant
visa (the fact people are having kids they can't afford in order to
obtain MORE FREE SERVICES is absolutely unbelievable).
Mining, sniping and building collasal walls will likely prove
unfeasible or at least unpractical for all kinds of reasons. My vote
is for the imediate deployment of at least two full divisions (Air
assault troops would be best suited) to patrol the southern border to
stop the invasion, with the support of air drones. The fact that we
can simultaneously declare ourselves at war with terror and allow would
be terrorists to walk freely accross our borders is sickening.
The fact that I find myself agreeing with Krusty on something is more
than a bit disturbing, but this issue should be of concern to everyone,
especially if you have kids. Mexico needs to get it's own *****
together and it never will if we keep subsidizing their corrupt, innept
government by absorbing their problems.
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| User: "Johnny Lingo" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
13 Jan 2005 12:39:36 PM |
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<tomaxo@aol.com> wrote in message
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I agree
This is the biggest problem facing the country right now and both
parties have completely sold us out. Take a look at the selling out of
the rights of California voters on numerous occasions to get a full
picture of what is in store for the nation as a whole in short order if
we don't retake control of our own destiny.
I am not a racist like you, but this mass of uneducated, unskilled
workers flooding our system comes at exactly the same time that our
economical need for the unskilled laborer is diminishing at its most
rapid pace. This would be a problem even if this flood was of
uneducated, unskilled Swedes.
It is the single greatest cause of our Social Security and Medicare
insolvency, the poor quality of our schools, gangs, wage reductions for
American workers and the erosion of the Anglo-European value system
that has been the single greatest culturally uniting aspect of this
nation as a society. We need to change the Constitution (something I
don't take lightly) regarding the rights of children of illegal alliens
as American citizens and we need to give serious consideration to the
use of Norplant on any woman who comes into this country of a migrant
visa (the fact people are having kids they can't afford in order to
obtain MORE FREE SERVICES is absolutely unbelievable).
Mining, sniping and building collasal walls will likely prove
unfeasible or at least unpractical for all kinds of reasons. My vote
is for the imediate deployment of at least two full divisions (Air
assault troops would be best suited) to patrol the southern border to
stop the invasion, with the support of air drones. The fact that we
can simultaneously declare ourselves at war with terror and allow would
be terrorists to walk freely accross our borders is sickening.
The fact that I find myself agreeing with Krusty on something is more
than a bit disturbing, but this issue should be of concern to everyone,
especially if you have kids.
I agree! I find myself agreeing with everyone in this thread so far! We as
a country need to address this problem ASAP! I grew up in Southern
California and saw they great change occurring! The elementary school that
I went to in the San Fernando Valley is now 85.1% Hispanic and only 3.1%
white and 2.7% black.
The United States/Mexico border is a major problem on many levels and needs
to be fixed. Not only are the illegal Hispanics a drain on our economy, but
this is a prime spot for terrorists to gain entry into our country!
Mexico needs to get it's own *****
together and it never will if we keep subsidizing their corrupt, innept
government by absorbing their problems.
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:41:03 PM |
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I friend I still see from time to time, who is a 100% Valley Girl, is
ready to move herself.
Some parts of the Valley (Pacoima) can be horrible.
In many spots you can leave your vehicle parked overnight and come out
to it the next day to find graffiti spray-painted on it.
It was a much different place when I grew up (in Northern California)
and spent time there (all over the state).
Incidentally, it's not racist, ethnicist, or any other "ist" to note
that terrorists not only could get in across the Mexican border, but
plenty of Arabs could simply learn a little Spanish and position
themselves in all kinds of positions to do some serious terrorism. Is
that janitor in the mall replacing the garbage can in the food court
with a real garbage can, or a huge nail bomb or gas bomb? ...
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| User: "" |
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14 Jan 2005 12:04:49 AM |
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Incidentally, it's not racist, ethnicist, or any other "ist" to note
that terrorists not only could get in across the Mexican border, but
plenty of Arabs could simply learn a little Spanish and position
themselves in all kinds of positions to do some serious terrorism.
This is very true.
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:05:06 PM |
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I live in the L.A. area myself. It's amazing the extent of the
problem. It's not just that Mexicans are flooding in in huge numbers,
then expanding on that through irresponsible procreation, but it is the
fact that they are using Civil Rights laws to insure special advantage
in employment (laws designed to remedy "PAST DISCRIMINATION", i.e. for
groups that actually lived here in the past). Mexican imigrants see no
compunction at all in hiring others soley on their ethnicity, but are
first in line to sue if they feel they have been passed over for
someone of another race. It is the absolute worst in government
employment. Mexicans are the most over-represented ethnic group in
county and state government, which is incredible when you consider how
much of the population they now represent and, as a quick visit to the
DMV will demonstrate, this overrepresentation in government empolyment
is NOT due to some mythical strong work ethic. A government job is
like winning the lottery to those who don't want to work.
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 11:57:09 PM |
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"I am not a racist like you, but this mass of uneducated, unskilled
workers flooding our system comes at exactly the same time that our
economical need for the unskilled laborer is diminishing at its most
rapid pace. This would be a problem even if this flood was of
uneducated, unskilled Swedes."
This is the key point, along with their frequently consuming public
services and exploiting what liberals call "birthright citizenship."
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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13 Jan 2005 12:03:23 AM |
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You caught the essence of it, Tom. The economics are the main problem
(and motive for its perpetuation); multiculturalism I also cannot
stand, or failure to assimilate (aided in the "resistance" by MALDEF
and all the rest of the bunch), but the economic facts are key.
Note that Mexico (which lately has had officials speak of reclaiming
lost lands though migration and demographic changes to the Southwest
over the years) has the US southwest not only as a huge revenue source
but as a safety valve, and if we don't like the current situation, how
would we like it if we were truly flooded in the event of a government
collapse or revolution in Mexico?
(It would be at that point that we probably would deploy the military
along the border.)
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 12:51:11 AM |
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I used to be empathetic to the notion that Mexicans were merely
re-establishing themselves in the lands they once owned, however, the
truth is that they never inhabited California in numbers greater than
tens of thousands. In fact their previous ownership of the Southwest
was due only to European "Spanish" expansionism anyway so there really
is no argument.
As for Mexico' inability to be self sufficient. How can a nation with
that much Oil, a tropical paridise for a coastline and a neighboring
proximity to the richest country on earth not be able to stand on it's
own feet? The answer is an attitude of servitude and dependence. They
have a welfare mentality about their own existence and have absolutely
no common sense about keeping procreation within the limits of
financial ability. The presence of such a large population of Mexicans
in the Southwest is due almost exclusively to the perverse rate of
procreation of the people who live there, not to any pre-existing
(pre-Colonial) population levels.that are merely being balanced out.
It is not uncommon, for example, to encounter Great Gandmothers amongst
the Mexican Imigrant community who are fifty years old. At four kids
per child, this ends up resulting in as many as 64 decsendants for a
single woman in a 45 year period (if she starts at 15, which is not
uncommon, and her children follow the same patter, which is also not
uncommon). Compare that to the typical 2.5 kids in 25 year intervals
that is the average for this country in which less than 7 descendents
are produced from one woman in a 50 year period.
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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13 Jan 2005 01:05:19 AM |
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Tom wrote:
I used to be empathetic to the notion that Mexicans were merely
re-establishing themselves in the lands they once owned, however, the
truth is that they never inhabited California in numbers greater than
tens of thousands. In fact their previous ownership of the Southwest
was due only to European "Spanish" expansionism anyway so there
really
is no argument.
In fact, their claims to so much of the "lost land" are pitiful; they
had feeble control over the farthest reaches of what Mexico claimed in
the past.
As for Mexico' inability to be self sufficient. How can a nation
with
that much Oil, a tropical paridise for a coastline and a neighboring
proximity to the richest country on earth not be able to stand on
it's
own feet? The answer is an attitude of servitude and dependence.
They
have a welfare mentality about their own existence and have
absolutely
no common sense about keeping procreation within the limits of
financial ability. The presence of such a large population of
Mexicans
in the Southwest is due almost exclusively to the perverse rate of
procreation of the people who live there, not to any pre-existing
(pre-Colonial) population levels.that are merely being balanced out.
It is not uncommon, for example, to encounter Great Gandmothers
amongst
the Mexican Imigrant community who are fifty years old. At four kids
per child, this ends up resulting in as many as 64 decsendants for a
single woman in a 45 year period (if she starts at 15, which is not
uncommon, and her children follow the same patter, which is also not
uncommon). Compare that to the typical 2.5 kids in 25 year intervals
that is the average for this country in which less than 7 descendents
are produced from one woman in a 50 year period.
While not everything can be laid on culture, much can, and that is
the problem in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America.
Incidentally, Mexican fertility is higher than Anglo fertility, but
is much less than you might imagine. In fact, Mexico is like many
Third World nations, that threatens to grow before it develops and
prospers first.
The Mexican fertility decline is one of the most precipitous in world
history. As late as 1970 total fertility was approximately seven;
thirty years later it was less than three.
www.economics.ucr.edu/seminars/ fall03/10-24-03%20Susan%20Carter.pdf
http://www.indexmundi.com/mexico/total_fertility_rate.html
http://www.colby.edu/personal/t/thtieten/pop-mex.html
Beyond only fertility
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/toc.html
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 01:12:26 AM |
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I'm only reporting what I see with my own eyes right here in Southern
California. I'm not laying it on ethnicity, but am definitely laying
it on cultural standards. Europe had it's own population explosion
during the industrial revolution. It took two world wars before they
came to their senses regarding the impacts of over-population combined
with scarcity of resources.
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| User: "disseminator" |
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13 Jan 2005 08:14:01 PM |
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wrote in news:1105600346.379924.86670
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
I'm only reporting what I see with my own eyes right here in Southern
California. I'm not laying it on ethnicity, but am definitely laying
it on cultural standards. Europe had it's own population explosion
during the industrial revolution. It took two world wars before they
came to their senses regarding the impacts of over-population combined
with scarcity of resources.
And to be fair:
You can't blame it all on politicians so much
as the voters and Republican Party apparatus
since both Politic-Pete Wilson and Buchanan
ran on the issue in the '90s with only Buchanan
having any success until the Party opinion formers
(read: every ***** talkradio windbag) began attacking
him after his New Hampshire primary win in '96.
I realize that the Democratic Party's lib-minority
coalition is not about to take up the issue but the
stupid party also has it's priorities and they don't
include a cutback in legal immigration or a curb
in illegal immigration...."Right of Return" is guaranteed
in the US such as the "validity" of that claim may not
really be. You guys had better concentrate on Israel's
demographic woes since that is high priority in todays GOP.
Like I said to my Republican friends in the '90s:
"Last chance to do anything about it".
It's too late to do it now....Not politically feasable in
today's two party system....Republican voters already blew
it due to their apathy and lack of ability to think for
themselves....thanks.
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http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.amconmag.com/
http://www.counterpunch.org/
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:45:42 PM |
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I expect many partisan Republicans and many of us who aren't to be
angry at Bush's immigrant work-permit program. Bush is simply catering
to the business community. I don't care about objections from purist
libertarians (or pretender corporate whores). I'm quite libertarian,
as are many normal Americans; it's our heritage. But anarchy is not
acceptable, nor is having freedom that is brazenly exploited. Plus if
the GOP thinks it can win the Hispanic vote, it's crazy. That vote
must easily be 2/3 Democratic if not more. And of course criticism of
the Bush program by the Dems is predictable; they call it grossly
insufficient and stingy.
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:45:05 PM |
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It's not too late so long as we stand up and make the case on the
grounds of economics, national sovereignty and justice. Wilson and
Buchannan suffered because (whether true or not) there was a widespread
perception that their support was based on a racial hatred of Mexicans,
which fed the left their rallying cry and caused Republicans to cut the
legs of their support for those voices (fear of being branded racists
was also a very convenient way to sell us all out in the name of cheap
labor of large food industry campaign contributions as well).
The winning case is simple:
Economics: Unskilled labor is the area of need that is shrinking the
fastest in our modern economy, bringing in illegals to work at
starvation wages (they may make a lot more here than in Mexico but
they've still got to pay American prices to live here) only results in
their becoming dependent on social services that were designed as a
safety net for those who already lived here, making those services
bankrupt.
National Sovereignty: Talk about illegal imigration to someone who
went through the process legally, or who joined the military to get
citizenship and you might be surprised what you here from many Mexican
Americans on this issue.
Justice: Why the hell should hard working Americans who have put money
into Social Security and Medicare for their entire adult life now be
worrying about whether the bank will be broke when they are old and
need to draw on that money, just because a buch of Civil Liberties
lawyers figured out clever ways to route that money into the hands of
people who never contributed (and before I here some knucklehead
rattle off a bunch of crap about how you have to pay into SS to draw
from it, think about where the funding for Aids treatment, Mental
Illness, drug addiction and other health tragedies is coming from.
Adhere closely to these core arguments and I believe you will find
enthusiastic backing from people of every ethnicity in America.
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| User: "disseminator" |
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14 Jan 2005 07:39:01 PM |
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wrote in news:1105677905.889223.54610
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
It's not too late so long as we stand up and make the case on the
grounds of economics, national sovereignty and justice. Wilson and
Buchannan suffered because (whether true or not) there was a widespread
perception that their support was based on a racial hatred of Mexicans,
which fed the left their rallying cry and caused Republicans to cut the
legs of their support for those voices (fear of being branded racists
was also a very convenient way to sell us all out in the name of cheap
labor of large food industry campaign contributions as well).
Attacks would, of course, be expected from the rival
Democrats but they also came from the neoCON Weekly
Standard and other Republican sources complete with
charges of "racism" which Politic Pete Wilson has
always been carefull to avoid.
I'm watching for any prominant pols to take up the
issue but with the GOP pulling 40% of hispanic voters
now: I don't see possibilities there yet.
With me It's like the issue of opposing further Mideast
Military intervention with the Democrats: The proof is not
in sound bites but actions and politician's willingness
to speak out (as opposed to talk radio personalities)
Show me some substance and I'll come on back to the GOP.
I fought the good immigration fight throughout
the '90s....A very lonely experience.
The winning case is simple:
Economics: Unskilled labor is the area of need that is shrinking the
fastest in our modern economy, bringing in illegals to work at
starvation wages (they may make a lot more here than in Mexico but
they've still got to pay American prices to live here) only results in
their becoming dependent on social services that were designed as a
safety net for those who already lived here, making those services
bankrupt.
National Sovereignty: Talk about illegal imigration to someone who
went through the process legally, or who joined the military to get
citizenship and you might be surprised what you here from many Mexican
Americans on this issue.
Justice: Why the hell should hard working Americans who have put money
into Social Security and Medicare for their entire adult life now be
worrying about whether the bank will be broke when they are old and
need to draw on that money, just because a buch of Civil Liberties
lawyers figured out clever ways to route that money into the hands of
people who never contributed (and before I here some knucklehead
rattle off a bunch of crap about how you have to pay into SS to draw
from it, think about where the funding for Aids treatment, Mental
Illness, drug addiction and other health tragedies is coming from.
Adhere closely to these core arguments and I believe you will find
enthusiastic backing from people of every ethnicity in America.
Good talking points alright.
Better show 'em to Krusty.
--
http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.amconmag.com/
http://www.counterpunch.org/
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:37:22 PM |
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Tom,
It's not "over-population combined with a scarcity of resources." It
is a case of modern development. People have less children as their
nations modernize. Among other things (and this has been now seized,
or more accurately, has been re-seized, by at least one contemporary
think tank member and author, Longman), in industrialized nations,
except in the most primitive stages of development or examples (where
there is child labor rather than education), children are not an asset
financially, but a liability. They are expensive! People tend to have
few children when children are expensive -- and when in modern
societies people have other things they might prefer to do than have
and raise children. That is what you see even in the Third World
except in the worst basket-case places.
I grew up in California and lived in Southern California several years
(seven in LA, one in San Diego) and have lived in Arizona among other
places, and I'm fully aware of different cultures, "multiculturalism,"
minority-native demographic changes, and all the rest.
And you have a point about culture. Fortunately, it's changing
somewhat among Hispanics. Unfortunately, not completely nor fast
enough for most of our satisfaction.
(Do you encounter fewer, or more, ATMs, voice menus, and other things
that begin by asking you which language you want to use -- in the
United States?)
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 11:57:21 PM |
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There are definitely sociological aspects that have nothing to do with
Mexian versus any other group of people per se, but do in fact have to
do with 1st world vs 3rd world norms, I suppose.
The biggest catastrophe of the third world is that we have relieved
them of much of the natural consequences of stupid behavior through
well intended assistence in the form of medicine and free food. If you
look at most of the countries in the third world that appear utterly
incapable of self-sustainment, the reason is they are incapable of
self-sustainment. They have populated way beyond their ability to be
self suficent in areas of food, water, or sanitation, yet, before the
true consequence can truly sink in and a new, wiser generation arise
with ideas such as "Maybe having huge families is not a good idea", the
international charities have rushed in to make everybody just alive
enough to be called living, only to depart as soon as the photo op
moment is over to allow for the cycle to start all over again.
This is, of course an admitidly gross-oversimplification, but I believe
it is the true essence of the problem. If zero populatoin growth is a
sensible idea for 1st world countries, why would it be less sensible
for those of the 3rd world? Yet, if you dare suggest it, the racist
accusation will follow.
It was once arguable that third world poverty was rooted in
exploitation by 1st world countries, however the truth today is that
the new poverty is rooted in its charity.
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| User: "suds mcduff" |
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14 Jan 2005 09:01:29 AM |
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This is, of course an admitidly gross-oversimplification, but I believe
it is the true essence of the problem. If zero populatoin growth is a
sensible idea for 1st world countries, why would it be less sensible
for those of the 3rd world? Yet, if you dare suggest it, the racist
accusation will follow.
----Or, worse, godless athiests, the xtian mantra.
" I'd rather play for a losin' football team than a winnin' soccer team any
day"
Bobby Hill
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:16:13 PM |
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You're awfully unkind.
Most Americans don't hate the individual immigrants swamping the USA in
large numbers.
They just want immigration controlled so they don't lose large parts of
their nation if swamping coupled with "multiculturalism" (everything
but the US mainstream) continues.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:41:42 PM |
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"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105586173.060335.245520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You're awfully unkind.
Most Americans don't hate the individual immigrants swamping the USA in
large numbers.
They just want immigration controlled so they don't lose large parts of
their nation if swamping coupled with "multiculturalism" (everything
but the US mainstream) continues.
Mine the border, shoot those who make it through the mines.
Easy.
Jim E
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:59:41 PM |
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No need, Jim. Erect the same kind of "wall" that Israel has. A
radiation barrier also works (and is a legitimate way to stop any kind
of invasion, true or, in this case, metaphorical -- it's the
aggresspr's choice to cross the barrier and self-irradiate; we are not
making the aggressor do it), except it might be more expensive than a
plain wall.
(Dredging the Rio Grande and "channelizing" it a la California
concrete-channel style is wasteful because of the arid climate and how
this affects water requirements.)
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| User: "disseminator" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 10:21:31 PM |
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"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1105588781.647872.300200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
No need, Jim. Erect the same kind of "wall" that Israel has. A
radiation barrier also works (and is a legitimate way to stop any kind
of invasion, true or, in this case, metaphorical -- it's the
aggresspr's choice to cross the barrier and self-irradiate; we are not
making the aggressor do it), except it might be more expensive than a
plain wall.
Watch me not hold my breath until any of that happens.
(Dredging the Rio Grande and "channelizing" it a la California
concrete-channel style is wasteful because of the arid climate and how
this affects water requirements.)
And I don't think Krusty is likely to take up your
relatively mundane talking points anytime soon either.
Neither of us rates as a civilizing influence;-)
--
http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.counterpunch.org/
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 10:44:23 PM |
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I believe too many people in the Southwest (especially) are too angry
these days.
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| User: "Krusty" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 11:01:07 PM |
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What do you mean by "too angry", Dave. Are you suggesting that we welcome
this influx of cockroach vermin with open arms. Sorry, I must disagree with
you. People in my community are forming vigilante squads.
If our government can't protect us, then we will protect ourselves.
"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105591463.813625.303370@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I believe too many people in the Southwest (especially) are too angry
these days.
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 11:06:23 PM |
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The likes of (general-definition) neo-con GOPers like Jack Kemp and
Bill "Bookie of Virtues" Bennett can't bash Prop 187 forever.
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| User: "Krusty" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 11:11:56 PM |
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What's "Prop 187"? I live in the southeast. Ain't never heard of it.
"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105592783.283903.77120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The likes of (general-definition) neo-con GOPers like Jack Kemp and
Bill "Bookie of Virtues" Bennett can't bash Prop 187 forever.
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| User: "disseminator" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
13 Jan 2005 12:14:48 AM |
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"Krusty" <Krusty@KissMyAss.fool> wrote in news:NmnFd.2742$Zv5.1298
@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
What's "Prop 187"? I live in the southeast. Ain't never heard of it.
"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105592783.283903.77120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The likes of (general-definition) neo-con GOPers like Jack Kemp and
Bill "Bookie of Virtues" Bennett can't bash Prop 187 forever.
I'm not familiar with the specific details but:
It was a '90s California proposition sponsored by
then California Governor Pete Wilson to deny funding
to certain services meant for California citizens.
Something about the premise that the cost was supposed
to be the responsibility of the Federal Government.
Federal Goverment failed in protecting the border....which
they did.
It was knocked down by a Federal Judge, last I heard.
Jack "Empowerment Zones" Kemp and neoCON Bill "King Virtue" Bennet
went down and made a big fuss in order to pander a bit for the "Big
Tent" GOP.
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http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.amconmag.com/
http://www.counterpunch.org/
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
13 Jan 2005 10:50:18 PM |
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I call him "the Bookie of Virtues," Diss. (Bennett)
By the way, the last time I was in DC and Baltimore I saw an ad for a
Bill Bennett radio show. Believe It or Not!
http://www.bennettmornings.com/
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| User: "disseminator" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
14 Jan 2005 06:25:54 PM |
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"Dave Simpson" <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1105678218.521232.157920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
I call him "the Bookie of Virtues," Diss. (Bennett)
By the way, the last time I was in DC and Baltimore I saw an ad for a
Bill Bennett radio show. Believe It or Not!
http://www.bennettmornings.com/
Oh Gawd!
Yeah, I saw that and liked it but stick to his
old nickname because of the way he came over from
the Dems and immediately began with his homilies
towards paleocons as if he owned the GOP.
Who the hell would listen to that unctuous windbag
now? Even Oreilly panders to immigration issues now.
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http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.counterpunch.org/
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
13 Jan 2005 12:00:43 AM |
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Prop 187, which passed overwhelmingly in California in 1994, but was
overturned by the Federal Court, stated of the people of California,
among other things:
"That they have suffered and are suffering economic hardship caused by
the presence of illegal aliens in this state.
That they have suffered and are suffering personal injury and damage
caused by the criminal conduct of illegal aliens in this state.
That they have a right to the protection of their government from any
person or persons entering this country unlawfully.
Therefore, the People of California declare their intention to provide
for cooperation between their agencies of state and local government
with the federal government, and to establish a system of required
notification by and between such agencies to prevent illegal aliens in
the United States from receiving benefits or public services in the
State of California."
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/prop187text.html
It was one of two votes by the people of California on this issue that
was overturned at the Federal level.
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| User: "Dave Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: OK! Krusty Is Pissed At Bush. Gloat If You Must! But He's PISSED!! |
12 Jan 2005 11:56:00 PM |
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Where are you? (You only have to be as specific as you choose)?
The Southwest is where most Hispanics are located, even though they can
be found everywhere (including in upstate New York, fighting the cold
and snow with the rest of us, with whom I practice Spanish once in a
while while they practice English with me).
http://www.census.gov/geo/www/mapGallery/images/hispanic.jpg
Prop. 187 was California Proposition 187, fought by Democrats,
liberals, and "compassionate conservative" neo-cons (most broad
definition of the term).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/immigrant_benefits1_3-26.html
http://www-personal.si.umich.edu/~dhogan/classes/PropPage/PropHP.html
http://www.ssbb.com/article1.html
Et cetera
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