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19 Jul 2003 02:05:00 AM |
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On Legalizing Hemp, For Medicinal Purposes |
Last year, we here in California passed Proposition 215, to legalize
medical marijuana. As it turns out, there was a big need for it. I
posted back then on my experience in meeting someone in Wisconsin who
desperately needed it just to keep from going completely blind. She
violated the law by smoking pot over there. But here in California,
after we legalized medical marijuana, John Ashcroft sent his goons all
the way over here to rough up, beat up and arrest all the sick people
who tried to use marijuana, some were terminally ill, some were crippled
& in wheel chairs. You can read about that in this link:
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=f1fd22d4.0211031257.660768a5%40posting.google.com
I'm glad that my paper, the San Francisco Chronicle, has an editorial on
this. This, just the latest example, one of many Republican assaults on
the people of California.
Abel Malcolm
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Misplaced priorities
Friday, July 18, 2003
URL:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/18/ED109213.DTL
WITH ALL the Bush administration has on its plate -- the aftermath in
Iraq, Israeli-Palestinian discord, homeland security, economic woes --
one might think it has no time to pick on doctors who prescribe medical
marijuana.
Yet the administration continues to escalate its war on medical
marijuana --
and Proposition 215 in particular -- by intimidating physicians who are
doing what they think is best for their patients.
The White House has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to allow federal
authorities to punish California doctors who merely recommend marijuana.
President Bush wants the authority to revoke doctors' licenses to
prescribe drugs if they tell patients that pot might be helpful. A
ruling in the White House's favor would overturn the U.S. Court of
Appeals in San Francisco that said penalizing doctors for just
consulting with patients violates free-speech guarantees.
But Bush's motive may be to uproot Proposition 215. Ever since voters
approved the law in 1996, raids by federal drug agents have disrupted
the state's medical marijuana operations.
Marijuana does appear to offer a benefit for some medical conditions. Of
course, the clinical proof of such benefits remains elusive, especially
since the federal government has resisted funding definitive clinical
studies.
"What we're asserting here is the basic, fundamental right of local
government . . . to control the health and safety of its citizens," is
how Santa Clara University law professor Gerald Uelmen put it.
The Supreme Court should dismiss the appeal, and Bush should attend to
far more pressing matters.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Educate yourself and go to these links: http://www.buzzflash.com &
http://www.democrats.org & http://www.moveon.org
LET'S STOP WASTING AMERICAN LIVES
reads an old anti-war flier kept as a memento in the office of
Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich. 30 years ago, he
passed out these leaflets to protest the Vietnam war.
Read the pResident's resume, here it is, and tell me if you would hire
this man: http://www.com3designs.com/html/gwbushresume.php
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| User: "Chris Williamson" |
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| Title: Re: On Legalizing Hemp, For Medicinal Purposes |
19 Jul 2003 05:08:17 AM |
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wrote:
Last year, we here in California passed Proposition 215, to legalize
medical marijuana.
Q: Why not legalize marijuana completely?
Q: Why stop at marijuana? Why not make all narcotics legal?
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"Blessed are the peacemakers."
-- Jesus of Nazareth
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: On Legalizing Hemp, For Medicinal Purposes |
19 Jul 2003 07:01:18 PM |
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cdwilli@erols.com (Chris=A0Williamson)
Q: Why not legalize marijuana
completely?
I'm not for legalizing marijuana completely. But then again, I do
believe that marijuana is even less harmful than alcohol, and alcohol is
legal.
Q: Why stop at marijuana? Why not make
all narcotics legal?
You're changing the subject here. The discussion here is about
legalizing marijuana. I've found very little in arguments for keeping
it illegal.
Policemen would tell you that they can tell right away when they stop a
person if they are driving high on pot or if they are driving drunk on
alcohol. The person drunk on alcohol tends to be cocky and go over the
speed limit, and will often swerve to the oncoming traffic on the left.
But the person high on pot tends to be paranoid and go under the speed
limit, and they often drive on the right hand shoulder of the road
trying to get away from passing traffic.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Educate yourself and go to these links: http://www.buzzflash.com &
http://www.democrats.org & http://www.moveon.org
LET'S STOP WASTING AMERICAN LIVES
reads an old anti-war flier kept as a memento in the office of
Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich. 30 years ago, he
passed out these leaflets to protest the Vietnam war.
Read the pResident's resume, here it is, and tell me if you would hire
this man: http://www.com3designs.com/html/gwbushresume.php
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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19 Jul 2003 08:40:56 AM |
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Chris Williamson <cdwilli@erols.com> wrote in inimitable style:
AbelMalcolm@webtv.net wrote:
Last year, we here in California passed Proposition 215, to legalize
medical marijuana.
Q: Why not legalize marijuana completely?
Absolutely. Why not?
Q: Why stop at marijuana? Why not make all narcotics legal?
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL. The
mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is THOUSANDS OF
TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all criminalized (and illegal)
drugs COMBINED! Throw in the legal drug tobacco and its derived products
and you multiply that number even more.
Those who run hysterically around crying "The sky is falling! The sky is
falling!" when they hear that de-criminalizing all criminalized drugs is on
the agenda were the same ignorant asses running around during America's
temperance years and claiming that alcohol would bring down all social
order.
Unfortunately, it always seems to be the case at Congressional hearings of
drugs that the expert testimony of pharmacologists is never solicited.
Instead these gatherings feature the anecdotal (and thus meaningless)
***** of some federal drug cop relating a story about a person they knew
"on drugs" whose life was miserable or even cut tragically short, with the
implication that it was cut short by drugs. There are easy arguments to
refute this nonsense which I will not go into here.
It's time for the United States to adopt a drug policy that is at least not
hypocritical. This would involve either one of two things:
(1) Decriminalizing ALL drugs. Note that decriminalizing narcotics will
have no more destructive effect on society than keeping this class of drugs
criminalized.
(2) Returning to the days of Prohibition. This would include criminalizing
---not merely making illegal----the use, possession, distribution, and
manufacture of both tobacco and alcohol. Note that an exception would have
to be made for ethanol used in scientific research, but there would be a
very significantly increased cost for its regulation.
Recently our laboratory got an inquiry from the university administration
who wanted to see our records for certain controlled substances such as the
animal anesthestic ketamine. We guessed that the DEA had so much time on
its hands that they wanted to review the records after years of seeming
never to show an interest in this.
So the Bush administration is looking for ways to reduce government
spending and get the deficit under control???
He can start by dismantling the ONDCP and DEA. Ought to save $10 billion a
year or more right there.
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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19 Jul 2003 08:45:45 AM |
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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
in message news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL. The
mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is THOUSANDS OF
TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you correct
your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage. FAR more people
enjoy the pleasures (and the health benefits, according to scientists) of
alcohol than of heroin, for example. And the typical alcohol drinker can
easily live into his or her 90's. Most heroin users are long gone by half
that age.
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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19 Jul 2003 09:15:46 AM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
wrote in message news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL. The
mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is THOUSANDS
OF TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you
correct your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage.
So like an idiot, you dispute my statements without any proof of your own
statements WHATSOEVER????
FAR more people enjoy the pleasures (and the health benefits,
according to scientists) of alcohol than of heroin, for example. And
the typical alcohol drinker can easily live into his or her 90's.
Most heroin users are long gone by half that age.
You post your anecdotal nonsense and want this to be taken as evidence and
fact?
Don't you have a kitchen to clean or some other housewifely duty?
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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19 Jul 2003 09:31:51 AM |
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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
in message news:Xns93BD49F27F819WSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
wrote in message news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL. The
mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is THOUSANDS
OF TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you
correct your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage.
So like an idiot, you dispute my statements without any proof of your own
statements WHATSOEVER????
Sure, why not? After all, you didn't offer us any proof of your
statements. Why do you demand higher standards of other posters than you
demand of yourself?
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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19 Jul 2003 04:07:16 PM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
wrote in message news:Xns93BD49F27F819WSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot"
<FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL.
The mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is
THOUSANDS OF TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all
criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you
correct your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage.
So like an idiot, you dispute my statements without any proof of your
own statements WHATSOEVER????
Sure, why not? After all, you didn't offer us any proof of your
statements. Why do you demand higher standards of other posters than
you demand of yourself?
Just an infinitesimal fraction of what's out there:
http://www.acsh.org/publications/priorities/0702/pcyes.html
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Misc/roe1.htm
http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/argument/myths.html
Perhaps you would now like to try to substantiate your nonsense?
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| User: "Chris Williamson" |
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19 Jul 2003 03:30:18 PM |
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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
wrote in message news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL. The
mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is THOUSANDS
OF TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you
correct your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage.
So like an idiot, you dispute my statements without any proof of your own
statements WHATSOEVER????
FAR more people enjoy the pleasures (and the health benefits,
according to scientists) of alcohol than of heroin, for example. And
the typical alcohol drinker can easily live into his or her 90's.
Most heroin users are long gone by half that age.
You post your anecdotal nonsense and want this to be taken as evidence and
fact?
Don't you have a kitchen to clean or some other housewifely duty?
In your first post you talked about people being hysterical
about drugs. I rather think you're the hysterical one. Why
can't you learn a few manners?
By the way, still believe that Bush would not be impeached
for bombing St. Louis with a nuke? LOL!
--
"Blessed are the peacemakers."
-- Jesus of Nazareth
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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19 Jul 2003 04:05:27 PM |
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Chris Williamson <cdwilli@erols.com> wrote in inimitable style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot"
<FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL.
The mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is
THOUSANDS OF TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all
criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you
correct your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage.
So like an idiot, you dispute my statements without any proof of your
own statements WHATSOEVER????
FAR more people enjoy the pleasures (and the health benefits,
according to scientists) of alcohol than of heroin, for example.
And the typical alcohol drinker can easily live into his or her
90's. Most heroin users are long gone by half that age.
You post your anecdotal nonsense and want this to be taken as
evidence and fact?
Don't you have a kitchen to clean or some other housewifely duty?
In your first post you talked about people being hysterical
about drugs. I rather think you're the hysterical one. Why
can't you learn a few manners?
By the way, still believe that Bush would not be impeached
for bombing St. Louis with a nuke? LOL!
Considering all the things Bush has done, I dare you to show a post where
you criticized even one of these things. Your fanatical, indeed hysterical
defense of Bush in this forum is ample proof that the man could do the most
unspeakable things and you'd still lick his boots. I don't fault you that
much. You are one among millions of Bush-adoring cretins.
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| User: "Chris Williamson" |
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20 Jul 2003 12:46:04 AM |
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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
Chris Williamson <cdwilli@erols.com> wrote in inimitable style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in inimitable
style:
"Winston Smith, American Patriot"
<FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
news:Xns93BD440A240AAWSAP1962@64.164.98.7...
The drug laws of the United States are COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL.
The mortality and morbidity of the legal drug alcohol alone is
THOUSANDS OF TIMES that of the mortality and morbidity of all
criminalized (and
illegal)
drugs COMBINED!
I don't believe you are correct about that, especially not if you
correct your imagined data so as to indicate per-capita-of-usage.
So like an idiot, you dispute my statements without any proof of your
own statements WHATSOEVER????
FAR more people enjoy the pleasures (and the health benefits,
according to scientists) of alcohol than of heroin, for example.
And the typical alcohol drinker can easily live into his or her
90's. Most heroin users are long gone by half that age.
You post your anecdotal nonsense and want this to be taken as
evidence and fact?
Don't you have a kitchen to clean or some other housewifely duty?
In your first post you talked about people being hysterical
about drugs. I rather think you're the hysterical one. Why
can't you learn a few manners?
By the way, still believe that Bush would not be impeached
for bombing St. Louis with a nuke? LOL!
Considering all the things Bush has done, I dare you to show a post where
you criticized even one of these things. Your fanatical, indeed hysterical
defense of Bush in this forum is ample proof that the man could do the most
unspeakable things and you'd still lick his boots. I don't fault you that
much. You are one among millions of Bush-adoring cretins.
What is it with you and the words 'fanatical' and 'hysterical?' You can claim
that Bush would not be impeached for using a nuclear weapon against
his own citizens, stand by such a stupid statement, then have the gall to
call someone else fanatical and hysterical.
As far as criticism of Bush, you need to go look at my posts. I strongly
criticized him over the Farm Bill; he is not a fiscal conservative, and I'm
ready to fault him for that, just as I fault the greedy Dems and Repubs
spending money like drunken sailors to get re-elected.
You, on the other hand, have gone off the deep end. No one with a
modicum of sense would agree with you that Bush attacking US citizens
with a nuclear weapon has no consequences. It's just plain stupid.
It's -- dare I say it? -- hysterical and fanatical.
--
"Blessed are the peacemakers."
-- Jesus of Nazareth
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