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From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion of
DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal subsidization
that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved per federal taxes
paid basis.

In fact, in general blue states are net federal tax _exporters_, paying more
in federal taxes than they receive, and red states are NE tax _importers_,,,
receiving more in federal aid than they contribute.

Larry

<tomaxo@aol.com> wrote in message
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From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion of
DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal subsidization
that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved per federal taxes
paid basis.

Note that this report show inflation adjusted median income down in all but
3 states. That's what Bush calls a strong economy.

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PerfectlyAble wrote:

tomaxo@aol.com wrote:

From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion
of DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal
subsidization that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved
per federal taxes paid basis.

....

Your average Blue stater understands that having poor people
with money in their pocket actually helps the economy,

I'm with you on this. When Henry Ford once said that he wanted his
workers to be able to buy his cars, he was not making a statement on
his philanthropic nature, he was stating the reality that he would
make greater profits if a larger pool of the population could afford
to purchase them. This is a principle lost on those modern day
proponents of a return to the gilded age of monopolistic super-rich
and desperate working poor.

since
rich people have to buy porducts and having more people out
there buying lowers the price for everyone. Whereas
in your Red state those with money in their pocket hand it
over to improve themselves, i.e. into a slot machine, on the
lottery, into the local church to send preachers out of the country,
into a political campaign to put an idiot in the Whitehouse.
The money flows quickly out of state. The flow has been
stemmed for a while, those dasterly Democrats were aiming
to remove all the socialised welfare payments to farmers that
keeps the third world in an unfair trading relationship, and opens
the way for the immoral money made off the trade imbalance
to pay for preachers to keep the third world both fiscally and
culturally backwards.

Evil is here. God knows the turth. Go invented Abortion to
prove that fundamentalists were morally bankrupt. Abortion
saves the unborn, leaves families prosperous and able
to have more children, leaves families with health parents
and healthy kids, anti-abortionists want nothing less than
a society of physical and mentally handicap child and
mothers, fiscally dependant on 'Christianity' for their daily
bread. Evil has found a homeland, mid-west American Churches.

I don't agree with your last part. I think the stance against
abortion is based on sincerely believed moral principles. The
problem with the morally strict, economically poor population that
predominates the religious right, is that it is very selectively fed
which moral issues to be militantly outraged about, and tend to
conveniently omit emphasis on those Chrisitan principles that would
help better their own situation (such as serving those who appeal to
hubris and contempt and who celebrate greed).

I have some friends who think that abortion is morally wrong. What we
agree on is that each person needs to make up their own mind, this is
not the states business. By having the state involved we go from a
difficult problem at best to a problem played out in public, in sun
light. But this is not a sun light problem, its a problem that
requires good, carefull thinking and the ability to think it our
yourself.

A judge friend of mine says that one of the worst things you can do is
appear before him. Not that he's a bad judge but that the law is not
friendly, does not make you feel good and doesn't let you think things
out. You should have done that before you appeared.

Abortion should not be in the law.

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PerfectlyAble wrote:

tomaxo@aol.com wrote:

From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion of
DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal subsidization
that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved per federal taxes
paid basis.

....

Your average Blue stater understands that having poor people
with money in their pocket actually helps the economy,

I'm with you on this. When Henry Ford once said that he wanted his
workers to be able to buy his cars, he was not making a statement on
his philanthropic nature, he was stating the reality that he would make
greater profits if a larger pool of the population could afford to
purchase them. This is a principle lost on those modern day proponents
of a return to the gilded age of monopolistic super-rich and desperate
working poor.

since
rich people have to buy porducts and having more people out
there buying lowers the price for everyone. Whereas
in your Red state those with money in their pocket hand it
over to improve themselves, i.e. into a slot machine, on the
lottery, into the local church to send preachers out of the country,
into a political campaign to put an idiot in the Whitehouse.
The money flows quickly out of state. The flow has been
stemmed for a while, those dasterly Democrats were aiming
to remove all the socialised welfare payments to farmers that
keeps the third world in an unfair trading relationship, and opens
the way for the immoral money made off the trade imbalance
to pay for preachers to keep the third world both fiscally and
culturally backwards.

Evil is here. God knows the turth. Go invented Abortion to
prove that fundamentalists were morally bankrupt. Abortion
saves the unborn, leaves families prosperous and able
to have more children, leaves families with health parents
and healthy kids, anti-abortionists want nothing less than
a society of physical and mentally handicap child and
mothers, fiscally dependant on 'Christianity' for their daily
bread. Evil has found a homeland, mid-west American Churches.

I don't agree with your last part. I think the stance against abortion
is based on sincerely believed moral principles. The problem with the
morally strict, economically poor population that predominates the
religious right, is that it is very selectively fed which moral issues
to be militantly outraged about, and tend to conveniently omit emphasis
on those Chrisitan principles that would help better their own
situation (such as serving those who appeal to hubris and contempt and
who celebrate greed).

I have some friends who think that abortion is morally wrong. What we agree
on is that each person needs to make up their own mind, this is not the
states business. By having the state involved we go from a difficult
problem at best to a problem played out in public, in sun light. But this
is not a sun light problem, its a problem that requires good, carefull
thinking and the ability to think it our yourself.

A judge friend of mine says that one of the worst things you can do is
appear before him. Not that he's a bad judge but that the law is not
friendly, does not make you feel good and doesn't let you think things out.
You should have done that before you appeared.

Abortion should not be in the law.

From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion of
DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal subsidization
that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved per federal taxes
paid basis.

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The statistics you've just read above are intended to:

a. Increase support for cuts in entitlement programs

b. Prove to democrats the economy is not that bad after all

c. Prove to republicans that democrats are richer

d. All of the above
e. Not a clue what is intended

Genaro wrote:

Genaro wrote:

From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion
of DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal

subsidization

that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved per federal
taxes paid basis.

----------

Glad to be of assistance (read answers below)

The statistics you've just read above are intended to:

a. Increase support for cuts in entitlement programs

I'm always seeking to do that, though most of the spending
increases under Bush (higher rate than LBJ) have gone towards slush
fund spending going primarily to Red states. Since deficit
spending is merely a form of deferred taxation, Bush is clearly the
highest raiser of taxes since FDR. We have to bring reliance on
federal spending under control, which Blue states clearly have done
more successfully than Red states.

b. Prove to democrats the economy is not that bad after all

Blue states were doing better than Republican during Clinton years
too.
What it proves is that Blue staters have always been more
productive,
and wiser capitalists than Red staters, and that, rather than
waiting for Uncle George and his Republican Congress to cut them
another check Red staters augt to get off their lazy duffs and
start contributing to this countries economy, rather than relying
on Blue staters tax revenue to prop them up.

c. Prove to republicans that democrats are richer

Well, this is where the median income figure comes in. While I'm
sure Rush likes to point out how less than 5% of Americans earn
roughtly a third of this country's income (and Red staters
ignorantly draw false comfort from having their ridiculously low
stats blended with those figures through "Mean" averaging), the use
of median household income bears out the reality of the situation.
On a person to person basis Blue state households earn more than
Red staters. The linked site is proof enough of this rock solid
fact. If you are looking for what it means, I would say it means
the majority majority of Red staters, who are substantially poorer
than average Blue staters have a tendency to vote against their own
interests and let anti-capitalistic monopolists (the kind Rush
worships) make vast fortunes off of their ignorance.

d. All of the above

Yes, that would be it.

e. Not a clue what is intended

I hope I have successfully been able to lift you from your clueless
status

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.....

-----
By selecting D, and especially B, I can draw a conclusion that you
think the Census Bureau report is a good news story for the nation as
a whole. It is your perogative to take this good news and turn it
into bad for either party. I believe I could just as easily pick some
U.S. city stats from the Census Bureau's website and paint a not so
rosy picture of democrats and their urban constituents (i.e. Nagin
and New Orleans), but I think I'll refrain from that sort of campaign
year chicanery. -----

No, by all means do not refrain from investigating these statistics to
point out whatever vital information can be drawn. Such discourse is
useful, even when manipulated for political advantage. I will even
toss you a bone by admitting that one of the uglier statistics I have
seen is that the poorest, most crime ridden city in America (Camden)
is also in the state with the highest houshold income (New Jersey).
This statistic does not bode well for the professed Democratic
standard of striving for greater equality amongst citizens.

The fact I am taking a shameless jab at Republicans is only partly for
purely partisan reasons though, as I also post it to intentionally
shock red staters regarding the contradiction that is occuring within
what was once unquestionably considered the party of personal
responsibility and self sufficiency. I miss that Republican party and
if I see it again, perhaps it will again recieve my vote.

Dem's are a long way from my ideal, but right now, Republicans are
doing distasterously worse than even the Democrats ever could manage.
(p.s. I really don't dislike Red staters, I'm just trying to rile them
into awareness by shaking the tree a little)

note: I re-added this post to all of the original groups, which it
seems to have fallen out of in my earlier post.

----------
Sorry about not including all the groups. I've got them all checked this
time and from now on. Thanks for making your intentions clear. I agree

both parties have their problems and this division of the U.S. couldn't
have come at a worse time. My priorities begin with foreign policy and
national security which leads me to look at the nation as one rather than
the sum of all it's individuals and their money problems. Both are
important but I believe it won't make much difference if Darrell from MS
is making $1000 less than he made last year when it only takes one
mistake to allow another attack causing 9/11-like destruction. I recall
another missile crisis in the 60s when JFK rallied the nation by
imploring the people not to ask what the country could do for them. But
with all or most of the economic indicators pointing in the right
direction, I have to side with the party I believe is best suited to
protect the U.S. and against the party that was taken advantage of and
duped by those who wish to weaken or destroy us. Domestic policy should
not be ignored but it can be deferred while we make our states and cities
safer using agressive foreign policy and technologically advanced
national security.
----------

Genaro wrote:

Genaro wrote:

From the 2005 Census Results:

Ranking by Highest Average Median Household Income:

Top 5 are all Blue states, as are 14 of top 20.

#1- New Jersey (Blue)
#2- Maryland (Blue)
#3- Hawaii (Blue)
#4- New Hampshire (Blue)
#5- Connecticut (Blue)
#7- Minnesota (Blue)
#8- Massachusetts (Blue)
#12- California (Blue)
#13- Washington (Blue)
#14- Delaware (Blue)
#15- Vermont (Blue)
#16- Rhode Island (Blue)
#18- Illinois (Blue)
#19- New York (Blue)

And guess who rounds out the bottom (out of 51, due to inclusion
of DC):

#32- Missouri (Red)
#34- Indiana (Red)
#35- South Dakota (Red)
#36- Florida (Red)
#37- Kansas (Red)
#38- Texas (Red)
#39- North Carolina (Red)
#40- North Dakota (Red)
#41- South Carolina (Red)
#42- New Mexico (Red)
#43- Tennessee (Red)
#44- Oklahoma (Red)
#45- Alabama (Red)
#46- Louisiana (Red)
#47- Kentucky (Red)
#48- Arkansas (Red)
#49- Montana (Red)
#50- West Virginia (Red)
#51- Mississippi (Red)

Bottom 18 are all Red states, as are 19 of the bottom 20.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi2.html

And this while Red states recieve vastly more in federal

subsidization

that do Blue states, on a federal dollars recieved per federal
taxes paid basis.

----------

Glad to be of assistance (read answers below)

The statistics you've just read above are intended to:

a. Increas