"fiend999" <dontspamfiend999@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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In article <4290C9F1.1BBB0CFC@clamp.com>, 'by a commodius vicus of
recirculation' <clot@clamp.com> wrote:

fiend999 wrote:

In article <4290AC33.50CF8EC7@clamp.com>, 'by a commodius vicus of
recirculation' <clot@clamp.com> wrote:

fiend999 wrote:

In article <428F8595.EC00D0E6@plazmototifficatious.org>, 'by a
commodius vicus of recirculation'
<pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org> wrote:

A Brick In the Wall wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org> wrote in message
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parsifal wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@-XcitlinkX-.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:UkJje.1736$8g.752@news01.roc.ny...

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

Bush has guys in their 50s serving in Iraq so what is your

forking

excuse???

"If you support the war you should fight the war" is one of

the

dumbest

statements any citizen has ever made.

Actually, "you're either with us or against us" was even

dumber...

That statement was referring to being in support or opposition to
the
US
efforts post 9/11 to deal finally with the terror threat. You are
either
with or against us on that. There is room for disagreement about
exactly
what to do and this statement doesn't say otherwise. There is no
room
for disagreement about the fact that we must stop the terrorists.

How many Iraqis attacked the US on 9/11?

Why is it important to you that citizens of Iraq be the ones who
attacked us on 9/11? We reserve the right to respond at a time and a
place and in a manner of our choosing. We will not be bullied or
insulted into following the path of accepting that these terrorist
attacks will continue without end and limit.

If you are going to try to use 9/11 as an implied excuse to attack
another country, you should probably have SOME evidence of a
connection.
Why can't you grasp that?

There is no known causal connection between the 9/11 attacks and the
legal government of any nation-state. The Taliban government of
Afghanistan, even if you assume it was a legal government and include
Mullah Omar the Stupid, isn't known to have been involved. So,
basically, you are claiming that the US should do nothing to deal with
known problems that are amplifying the threat of future attacks because
it cannot attach blame with certainty to any specific sovereign.

Is it that you think "hey, it is sort of the
same region and the people there are brown too, so it must be the right
place"?

Al Qaeda is fundamentally an Arab Sunni fundamentalist derived
organization from the Middle East. Iraq's government was Sunni and Iraq
is in the middle of the Middle East. Iraq's government was also the
worst offender in any number of ways from human rights violations to
mass murder to invading neighbours and ignoring UN requirements it had
agreed to after losing previous wars. Yet Iraq was and is also probably
the most sensible and capable of embracing democracy, to show the way to
the light as it were for other Arab nations.

Oh I understand the geographical strategy of it alright, and it is a
good one if you are interested in empire building.

So you don't think that al Qaeda is an Arab Sunni fundamentalist group
from the Middle East?

Put down the crack pipe, I said no such thing.

But why do you join
with the Bush administration in lying about the reasons? Looks like
those who lie about it are ashamed of, or feel the need to hide their
motives.

What are you talking about? What's the lie supposed to be?

Um, could it be WMDs? Could it be the implied connection to 911?
Where have you been the last few years?

Maybe you can show me where the Bush administration said "Let's invade
Iraq since it is an excellent stepping stone to taking over the middle
east"?

His exact words:

"My fellow citizens, at this hour, American
and coalition forces are in the early stages of
military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its
people and to defend the world from grave danger."

"fiend999" <dontspamfiend999@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:220520051646156354%dontspamfiend999@newsguy.com...

In article <4290C9F1.1BBB0CFC@clamp.com>, 'by a commodius vicus of
recirculation' <clot@clamp.com> wrote:

fiend999 wrote:

In article <4290AC33.50CF8EC7@clamp.com>, 'by a commodius vicus of
recirculation' <clot@clamp.com> wrote:

fiend999 wrote:

In article <428F8595.EC00D0E6@plazmototifficatious.org>, 'by a
commodius vicus of recirculation'
<pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org> wrote:

A Brick In the Wall wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org> wrote in message
news:428F708C.678864FB@plazmototifficatious.org...

parsifal wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@-XcitlinkX-.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:UkJje.1736$8g.752@news01.roc.ny...

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

Bush has guys in their 50s serving in Iraq so what is

your

forking

excuse???

"If you support the war you should fight the war" is one of

the

dumbest

statements any citizen has ever made.

Actually, "you're either with us or against us" was even

dumber...

That statement was referring to being in support or opposition

to

the
US
efforts post 9/11 to deal finally with the terror threat. You

are

either
with or against us on that. There is room for disagreement

about

exactly
what to do and this statement doesn't say otherwise. There is

no

room
for disagreement about the fact that we must stop the

terrorists.

How many Iraqis attacked the US on 9/11?

Why is it important to you that citizens of Iraq be the ones who
attacked us on 9/11? We reserve the right to respond at a time and
a
place and in a manner of our choosing. We will not be bullied or
insulted into following the path of accepting that these terrorist
attacks will continue without end and limit.

If you are going to try to use 9/11 as an implied excuse to attack
another country, you should probably have SOME evidence of a
connection.
Why can't you grasp that?

There is no known causal connection between the 9/11 attacks and the
legal government of any nation-state. The Taliban government of
Afghanistan, even if you assume it was a legal government and include
Mullah Omar the Stupid, isn't known to have been involved. So,
basically, you are claiming that the US should do nothing to deal with
known problems that are amplifying the threat of future attacks because
it cannot attach blame with certainty to any specific sovereign.

Is it that you think "hey, it is sort of the
same region and the people there are brown too, so it must be the
right
place"?

Al Qaeda is fundamentally an Arab Sunni fundamentalist derived
organization from the Middle East. Iraq's government was Sunni and Iraq
is in the middle of the Middle East. Iraq's government was also the
worst offender in any number of ways from human rights violations to
mass murder to invading neighbours and ignoring UN requirements it had
agreed to after losing previous wars. Yet Iraq was and is also probably
the most sensible and capable of embracing democracy, to show the way
to
the light as it were for other Arab nations.

Oh I understand the geographical strategy of it alright, and it is a
good one if you are interested in empire building.

So you don't think that al Qaeda is an Arab Sunni fundamentalist group
from the Middle East?

Put down the crack pipe, I said no such thing.

But why do you join
with the Bush administration in lying about the reasons? Looks like
those who lie about it are ashamed of, or feel the need to hide their
motives.

What are you talking about? What's the lie supposed to be?

Um, could it be WMDs? Could it be the implied connection to 911?
Where have you been the last few years?

Maybe you can show me where the Bush administration said "Let's invade
Iraq since it is an excellent stepping stone to taking over the middle
east"?

His exact words:

"My fellow citizens, at this hour, American
and coalition forces are in the early stages of
military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its
people and to defend the world from grave danger."

fiend999 wrote:

In article <4290C9F1.1BBB0CFC@clamp.com>, 'by a commodius vicus of
recirculation' <clot@clamp.com> wrote:

fiend999 wrote:

In article <4290AC33.50CF8EC7@clamp.com>, 'by a commodius vicus of
recirculation' <clot@clamp.com> wrote:

fiend999 wrote:

In article <428F8595.EC00D0E6@plazmototifficatious.org>, 'by a
commodius vicus of recirculation'
<pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org> wrote:

A Brick In the Wall wrote:

"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org> wrote in message
news:428F708C.678864FB@plazmototifficatious.org...

parsifal wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@-XcitlinkX-.net> schrieb im

Newsbeitrag

news:UkJje.1736$8g.752@news01.roc.ny...

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

Bush has guys in their 50s serving in Iraq so what is

your

forking

excuse???

"If you support the war you should fight the war" is one

of

the

dumbest

statements any citizen has ever made.

Actually, "you're either with us or against us" was even

dumber...

That statement was referring to being in support or

opposition to

the
US
efforts post 9/11 to deal finally with the terror threat. You

are

either
with or against us on that. There is room for disagreement

about

exactly
what to do and this statement doesn't say otherwise. There is

no

room
for disagreement about the fact that we must stop the

terrorists.

How many Iraqis attacked the US on 9/11?

Why is it important to you that citizens of Iraq be the ones who
attacked us on 9/11? We reserve the right to respond at a time
and a
place and in a manner of our choosing. We will not be bullied or
insulted into following the path of accepting that these terrorist
attacks will continue without end and limit.

If you are going to try to use 9/11 as an implied excuse to attack
another country, you should probably have SOME evidence of a
connection.
Why can't you grasp that?

There is no known causal connection between the 9/11 attacks and the
legal government of any nation-state. The Taliban government of
Afghanistan, even if you assume it was a legal government and include
Mullah Omar the Stupid, isn't known to have been involved. So,
basically, you are claiming that the US should do nothing to deal with
known problems that are amplifying the threat of future attacks
because
it cannot attach blame with certainty to any specific sovereign.

Is it that you think "hey, it is sort of the
same region and the people there are brown too, so it must be the
right
place"?

Al Qaeda is fundamentally an Arab Sunni fundamentalist derived
organization from the Middle East. Iraq's government was Sunni and
Iraq
is in the middle of the Middle East. Iraq's government was also the
worst offender in any number of ways from human rights violations to
mass murder to invading neighbours and ignoring UN requirements it had
agreed to after losing previous wars. Yet Iraq was and is also
probably
the most sensible and capable of embracing democracy, to show the way
to
the light as it were for other Arab nations.

Oh I understand the geographical strategy of it alright, and it is a
good one if you are interested in empire building.

So you don't think that al Qaeda is an Arab Sunni fundamentalist group
from the Middle East?

Put down the crack pipe, I said no such thing.

Are you ESL? I asked you a question. You insist that we not deal with
the Middle East. That's what you keep complaining about.

But why do you join
with the Bush administration in lying about the reasons? Looks like
those who lie about it are ashamed of, or feel the need to hide their
motives.

What are you talking about? What's the lie supposed to be?

Um, could it be WMDs? Could it be the implied connection to 911?
Where have you been the last few years?

You inferred the connection to 9/11.

Every time Bush said Iraq and al
Qaeda, not 9/11. And Iraq under Saddam was deeply involved in WMDs.

Anyone claiming otherwise has been missing not for years but for
decades.

Maybe you can show me where the Bush administration said "Let's invade
Iraq since it is an excellent stepping stone to taking over the middle
east"?

You invented that claim. Bush isn't empire building. Bush is responding
to the threat of al Qaeda, which is sourced in the Sunni Arab Middle
East.